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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
March 05 2016 14:35 GMT
#1041
On March 05 2016 23:34 Soularion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2016 23:31 BretZ wrote:
I don't think I've seen TL so trashy ever since the WCS change. Can't we just watch some Starcraft? We got a great match up for a final on a brand new game. I'm excited

Everyone's gonna leave this topic when the games start, don't worry

But France will stand strong as usual

Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13022 Posts
March 05 2016 14:35 GMT
#1042
On March 05 2016 23:34 Creager wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2016 23:27 Poopi wrote:
On March 05 2016 23:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 05 2016 23:25 EatingBomber wrote:
On March 05 2016 23:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 05 2016 23:23 EatingBomber wrote:
On March 05 2016 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 05 2016 23:21 EatingBomber wrote:
On March 05 2016 23:18 Thax wrote:
On March 05 2016 23:13 EatingBomber wrote:
[quote]
It would certainly lead to a marked decline


Yes, but you still have that head start, which as is being demonstrated over and over again, is rather significant.

The gap is only significant at the beginning. After that, mechanics, followed by strategic cleverness, display a marked decline. The mechanics of Hydra, Polt, and viOlet are very similar to those of the foreigners.

Why are you watching if you think those guys are rubbish ?

Where did I say these guys were rubbish?

compared to Koreans I guess, but still, we don't need to be reminded every time how 100000 times worse than the Koreans those guys are. Respect their practice and their work.

I wasn't reminding anyone of the difference; Blizzcon will do that for me. My point is that the Koreans in the WCS Circuit are not very good, and should not be regarded as 'monsters' or 'powerhouses', etc

I think Blizzcon on the contrary will show that the gap between Koreans powerhouses and guys like Polt isn't so huge, as it does every year (I'm fed up to bring up those everytime, but Polt vs Rain, Polt vs Classic, Hydra vs Dream, etc)

People don't realize that kespa boys aren't that good in week-end style tourneys


While I agree that Korean leagues differ substantially from western tournaments in terms of preparation, it's a still pretty inaccurate guess to label all "kespa boys" as incapable of performing well in a weekend-format tournament -> if you like to do some research, look up IEM or Dreamhack tournament history for the last 5 years.

I'm not saying they can't perform well, I'm saying they are pretty mortal as well as anyone else due to the high variance of the RTS genre (or sc2 idk)
WriterMaru
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2656 Posts
March 05 2016 14:35 GMT
#1043
DeMuslim bringing the analysis to the friends memeing about SC analysis desk
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
March 05 2016 14:36 GMT
#1044
wow bold Demuslim
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
March 05 2016 14:36 GMT
#1045
On March 05 2016 23:35 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2016 23:34 Creager wrote:
On March 05 2016 23:27 Poopi wrote:
On March 05 2016 23:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 05 2016 23:25 EatingBomber wrote:
On March 05 2016 23:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 05 2016 23:23 EatingBomber wrote:
On March 05 2016 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 05 2016 23:21 EatingBomber wrote:
On March 05 2016 23:18 Thax wrote:
[quote]

Yes, but you still have that head start, which as is being demonstrated over and over again, is rather significant.

The gap is only significant at the beginning. After that, mechanics, followed by strategic cleverness, display a marked decline. The mechanics of Hydra, Polt, and viOlet are very similar to those of the foreigners.

Why are you watching if you think those guys are rubbish ?

Where did I say these guys were rubbish?

compared to Koreans I guess, but still, we don't need to be reminded every time how 100000 times worse than the Koreans those guys are. Respect their practice and their work.

I wasn't reminding anyone of the difference; Blizzcon will do that for me. My point is that the Koreans in the WCS Circuit are not very good, and should not be regarded as 'monsters' or 'powerhouses', etc

I think Blizzcon on the contrary will show that the gap between Koreans powerhouses and guys like Polt isn't so huge, as it does every year (I'm fed up to bring up those everytime, but Polt vs Rain, Polt vs Classic, Hydra vs Dream, etc)

People don't realize that kespa boys aren't that good in week-end style tourneys


While I agree that Korean leagues differ substantially from western tournaments in terms of preparation, it's a still pretty inaccurate guess to label all "kespa boys" as incapable of performing well in a weekend-format tournament -> if you like to do some research, look up IEM or Dreamhack tournament history for the last 5 years.

I'm not saying they can't perform well, I'm saying they are pretty mortal as well as anyone else due to the high variance of the RTS genre (or sc2 idk)


Do you not agree that Kespa players have dominated offline western tournaments for years?
EatingBomber
Profile Joined August 2015
1017 Posts
March 05 2016 14:36 GMT
#1046
On March 05 2016 23:36 [PkF] Wire wrote:
wow bold Demuslim

What did he say
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
March 05 2016 14:36 GMT
#1047
On March 05 2016 23:35 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2016 23:34 Soularion wrote:
On March 05 2016 23:31 BretZ wrote:
I don't think I've seen TL so trashy ever since the WCS change. Can't we just watch some Starcraft? We got a great match up for a final on a brand new game. I'm excited

Everyone's gonna leave this topic when the games start, don't worry

But France will stand strong as usual


France died many horrible deaths this tournament now that I think about it.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
March 05 2016 14:36 GMT
#1048
On March 05 2016 23:36 EatingBomber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2016 23:36 [PkF] Wire wrote:
wow bold Demuslim

What did he say

4-2 Snute
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
March 05 2016 14:37 GMT
#1049
On March 05 2016 23:36 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2016 23:35 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 05 2016 23:34 Soularion wrote:
On March 05 2016 23:31 BretZ wrote:
I don't think I've seen TL so trashy ever since the WCS change. Can't we just watch some Starcraft? We got a great match up for a final on a brand new game. I'm excited

Everyone's gonna leave this topic when the games start, don't worry

But France will stand strong as usual


France died many horrible deaths this tournament now that I think about it.

French players may go but French TLers will stand
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
March 05 2016 14:37 GMT
#1050
Somehow, I expected the final to be tomorrow.
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
March 05 2016 14:37 GMT
#1051
On March 05 2016 23:35 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
DeMuslim bringing the analysis to the friends memeing about SC analysis desk

so long as there's an alive Blizzard RTS these guys have the best job a nerd can hope for tbh
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Zephyp
Profile Joined April 2013
238 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-05 14:38:18
March 05 2016 14:37 GMT
#1052
Eh..... Nate and Rotti.

Is this tournament in the middle of the day because the arena will be used by others later?
EatingBomber
Profile Joined August 2015
1017 Posts
March 05 2016 14:37 GMT
#1053
On March 05 2016 23:36 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2016 23:36 EatingBomber wrote:
On March 05 2016 23:36 [PkF] Wire wrote:
wow bold Demuslim

What did he say

4-2 Snute

Well, it's certainly not impossible
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
March 05 2016 14:37 GMT
#1054
I would just like some more occurences where Koreans, Koreigners and foreigners are all in the same tournament.

But now it's time for a unforgettable finals, go Snute!
I Protoss winner, could it be?
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
March 05 2016 14:38 GMT
#1055
On March 05 2016 23:37 EatingBomber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2016 23:36 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 05 2016 23:36 EatingBomber wrote:
On March 05 2016 23:36 [PkF] Wire wrote:
wow bold Demuslim

What did he say

4-2 Snute

Well, it's certainly not impossible

I agree but I'd say it's far less likely than a Polt victory given how sharp Polt looked so far

We'll see
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2656 Posts
March 05 2016 14:38 GMT
#1056
Rotti and Nathanias, the best casting archon at this tournament for the finals :D:D:D:D:D

POLT VS SNUTE THE DREAM FINAL HYYYYYYPE
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
March 05 2016 14:38 GMT
#1057
It pleases me that their finalists match coloristically with white/blue vs black/red
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
March 05 2016 14:38 GMT
#1058
On March 05 2016 23:37 Penev wrote:
I would just like some more occurences where Koreans, Koreigners and foreigners are all in the same tournament.

But now it's time for a unforgettable finals, go Snute!

aren't there cross finals ?
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17750 Posts
March 05 2016 14:38 GMT
#1059
gogogo Polt!!!
"Expert" mods4ever.com
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
March 05 2016 14:38 GMT
#1060
Snute! Snute! Snute!
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
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