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Poll: Who wins the Grand Final?Polt! (19) 56% Snute! (15) 44% 34 total votes Your vote: Who wins the Grand Final? (Vote): Polt!
(Vote): Snute!
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On March 05 2016 23:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 23:25 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:23 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:21 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:18 Thax wrote:On March 05 2016 23:13 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:12 Thax wrote:On March 05 2016 23:10 Tee1990 wrote:
whats the big deal with 'foreigners' beating 'koreaners?' Dont polt and Hydra get the same type of practice environment as everyone else in wcs ? Or are they super natural because they are koreans? Years of training and experience just doesn't disappear because you suddenly play on a different server. It would certainly lead to a marked decline Yes, but you still have that head start, which as is being demonstrated over and over again, is rather significant. The gap is only significant at the beginning. After that, mechanics, followed by strategic cleverness, display a marked decline. The mechanics of Hydra, Polt, and viOlet are very similar to those of the foreigners. Why are you watching if you think those guys are rubbish ? Where did I say these guys were rubbish? compared to Koreans I guess, but still, we don't need to be reminded every time how 100000 times worse than the Koreans those guys are. Respect their practice and their work. I wasn't reminding anyone of the difference; Blizzcon will do that for me. My point is that the Koreans in the WCS Circuit are not very good, and should not be regarded as 'monsters' or 'powerhouses', etc I think Blizzcon on the contrary will show that the gap between Koreans powerhouses and guys like Polt isn't so huge, as it does every year (I'm fed up to bring up those everytime, but Polt vs Rain, Polt vs Classic, Hydra vs Dream, etc)
Well, that seems to be EatingBomber's official TL writer prediction for Blizzcon, so you're probably right.
Although Rain and Dream were very weak at Blizzcon tbh.
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The timeless terran, Snute.
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On March 05 2016 23:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 23:25 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:23 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:21 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:18 Thax wrote:On March 05 2016 23:13 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:12 Thax wrote:On March 05 2016 23:10 Tee1990 wrote:
whats the big deal with 'foreigners' beating 'koreaners?' Dont polt and Hydra get the same type of practice environment as everyone else in wcs ? Or are they super natural because they are koreans? Years of training and experience just doesn't disappear because you suddenly play on a different server. It would certainly lead to a marked decline Yes, but you still have that head start, which as is being demonstrated over and over again, is rather significant. The gap is only significant at the beginning. After that, mechanics, followed by strategic cleverness, display a marked decline. The mechanics of Hydra, Polt, and viOlet are very similar to those of the foreigners. Why are you watching if you think those guys are rubbish ? Where did I say these guys were rubbish? compared to Koreans I guess, but still, we don't need to be reminded every time how 100000 times worse than the Koreans those guys are. Respect their practice and their work. I wasn't reminding anyone of the difference; Blizzcon will do that for me. My point is that the Koreans in the WCS Circuit are not very good, and should not be regarded as 'monsters' or 'powerhouses', etc I think Blizzcon on the contrary will show that the gap between Koreans powerhouses and guys like Polt isn't so huge, as it does every year (I'm fed up to bring up those everytime, but Polt vs Rain, Polt vs Classic, Hydra vs Dream, etc)
That depends on the guys. So far, it is good, it seems that 2 of the 8 foreigners at BlizzCon will be Snute and Polt, this is a great beginning. Even if the stupid welfare system was not in place, these two would have an enormous chance to get them e.g. under the WCS2015 rules. So so far, we can be pretty happy.
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On March 05 2016 23:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 23:25 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:23 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:21 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:18 Thax wrote:On March 05 2016 23:13 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:12 Thax wrote:On March 05 2016 23:10 Tee1990 wrote:
whats the big deal with 'foreigners' beating 'koreaners?' Dont polt and Hydra get the same type of practice environment as everyone else in wcs ? Or are they super natural because they are koreans? Years of training and experience just doesn't disappear because you suddenly play on a different server. It would certainly lead to a marked decline Yes, but you still have that head start, which as is being demonstrated over and over again, is rather significant. The gap is only significant at the beginning. After that, mechanics, followed by strategic cleverness, display a marked decline. The mechanics of Hydra, Polt, and viOlet are very similar to those of the foreigners. Why are you watching if you think those guys are rubbish ? Where did I say these guys were rubbish? compared to Koreans I guess, but still, we don't need to be reminded every time how 100000 times worse than the Koreans those guys are. Respect their practice and their work. I wasn't reminding anyone of the difference; Blizzcon will do that for me. My point is that the Koreans in the WCS Circuit are not very good, and should not be regarded as 'monsters' or 'powerhouses', etc I think Blizzcon on the contrary will show that the gap between Koreans powerhouses and guys like Polt isn't so huge, as it does every year (I'm fed up to bring up those everytime, but Polt vs Rain, Polt vs Classic, Hydra vs Dream, etc)
Yea, Polt going up against a GLS winner from that year each year and almost winning, sure proves how much he sucks.
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On March 05 2016 23:27 Soularion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 23:25 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:23 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:21 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:18 Thax wrote:On March 05 2016 23:13 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:12 Thax wrote:On March 05 2016 23:10 Tee1990 wrote:
whats the big deal with 'foreigners' beating 'koreaners?' Dont polt and Hydra get the same type of practice environment as everyone else in wcs ? Or are they super natural because they are koreans? Years of training and experience just doesn't disappear because you suddenly play on a different server. It would certainly lead to a marked decline Yes, but you still have that head start, which as is being demonstrated over and over again, is rather significant. The gap is only significant at the beginning. After that, mechanics, followed by strategic cleverness, display a marked decline. The mechanics of Hydra, Polt, and viOlet are very similar to those of the foreigners. Why are you watching if you think those guys are rubbish ? Where did I say these guys were rubbish? compared to Koreans I guess, but still, we don't need to be reminded every time how 100000 times worse than the Koreans those guys are. Respect their practice and their work. I wasn't reminding anyone of the difference; Blizzcon will do that for me. My point is that the Koreans in the WCS Circuit are not very good, and should not be regarded as 'monsters' or 'powerhouses', etc IEM Cologne. Hydra's Ro8 at Blizzcon. Hydra's 2-0 lead against Zest at Zest's victory in IEM WC. Hydra and Polt are monsters. Sure, other players are fucking gods, but don't lie and say they aren't great because that reduces the 'great players' of this game to.. what, not even a dozen people? Nah.
Yes yes yes, continue to point out anomalies in performance and ignore the nature of these players' games themselves ie. constant supply blocks and other mechanical errors, constantly dropping maps/sets to foreigners, and the other unpleasant facts which expose how weak these Koreans actually are... please. The only time Hydra ever made Code S was... 2014? When was viOlet last relevant?
As far as I can tell, only Polt is good enough to stand against Korean Koreans consistently.
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Polt can choose when he peaks? Indeed a fine talent to have.
*insert Maynarde's confidence face*
Ladies.
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On March 05 2016 23:28 DinosaurPoop wrote:
The timeless terran, Snute.
ikr. his terran play is so good
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On March 05 2016 23:27 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 23:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:25 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:23 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:21 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:18 Thax wrote:On March 05 2016 23:13 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:12 Thax wrote:
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Years of training and experience just doesn't disappear because you suddenly play on a different server. It would certainly lead to a marked decline Yes, but you still have that head start, which as is being demonstrated over and over again, is rather significant. The gap is only significant at the beginning. After that, mechanics, followed by strategic cleverness, display a marked decline. The mechanics of Hydra, Polt, and viOlet are very similar to those of the foreigners. Why are you watching if you think those guys are rubbish ? Where did I say these guys were rubbish? compared to Koreans I guess, but still, we don't need to be reminded every time how 100000 times worse than the Koreans those guys are. Respect their practice and their work. I wasn't reminding anyone of the difference; Blizzcon will do that for me. My point is that the Koreans in the WCS Circuit are not very good, and should not be regarded as 'monsters' or 'powerhouses', etc I think Blizzcon on the contrary will show that the gap between Koreans powerhouses and guys like Polt isn't so huge, as it does every year (I'm fed up to bring up those everytime, but Polt vs Rain, Polt vs Classic, Hydra vs Dream, etc) Well, that seems to be EatingBomber's official TL writer prediction for Blizzcon, so you're probably right. Although Rain and Dream were very weak at Blizzcon tbh.
They were, but when Dream made two SSL finals and Rain won GSL who would have said "those guys will have tough times against WCS players, one of them will even lose ?". No one. We need to be aware of how truly good the best players of the WCS circuit are. I definitely think the gap between PiG or PiLiPiLi and I don't know Journey or Losira is lightyears big, but the gap between Polt/Hydra/Snute etc and I don't know Zest is big, but not as big as many people seem to think.
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On March 05 2016 23:29 EatingBomber wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 23:27 Soularion wrote:On March 05 2016 23:25 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:23 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:21 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:18 Thax wrote:On March 05 2016 23:13 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:12 Thax wrote:
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Years of training and experience just doesn't disappear because you suddenly play on a different server. It would certainly lead to a marked decline Yes, but you still have that head start, which as is being demonstrated over and over again, is rather significant. The gap is only significant at the beginning. After that, mechanics, followed by strategic cleverness, display a marked decline. The mechanics of Hydra, Polt, and viOlet are very similar to those of the foreigners. Why are you watching if you think those guys are rubbish ? Where did I say these guys were rubbish? compared to Koreans I guess, but still, we don't need to be reminded every time how 100000 times worse than the Koreans those guys are. Respect their practice and their work. I wasn't reminding anyone of the difference; Blizzcon will do that for me. My point is that the Koreans in the WCS Circuit are not very good, and should not be regarded as 'monsters' or 'powerhouses', etc IEM Cologne. Hydra's Ro8 at Blizzcon. Hydra's 2-0 lead against Zest at Zest's victory in IEM WC. Hydra and Polt are monsters. Sure, other players are fucking gods, but don't lie and say they aren't great because that reduces the 'great players' of this game to.. what, not even a dozen people? Nah. Yes yes yes, continue to point out anomalies in performance and ignore the nature of these players' games themselves ie. constant supply blocks and other mechanical errors, constantly dropping maps/sets to foreigners, and the other unpleasant facts which expose how weak these Koreans actually are... please.
lol. those "anomalies in performance" are just the results when Polt/Hydra go up against your putative superhuman gods of Kespa. As you can see, they aren't so bad, to say the least.
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I don't think I've seen TL so trashy ever since the WCS change. Can't we just watch some Starcraft? We got a great match up for a final on a brand new game. I'm excited
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On March 05 2016 23:31 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 23:27 Elentos wrote:On March 05 2016 23:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:25 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:23 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:21 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:18 Thax wrote:On March 05 2016 23:13 EatingBomber wrote:
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It would certainly lead to a marked decline Yes, but you still have that head start, which as is being demonstrated over and over again, is rather significant. The gap is only significant at the beginning. After that, mechanics, followed by strategic cleverness, display a marked decline. The mechanics of Hydra, Polt, and viOlet are very similar to those of the foreigners. Why are you watching if you think those guys are rubbish ? Where did I say these guys were rubbish? compared to Koreans I guess, but still, we don't need to be reminded every time how 100000 times worse than the Koreans those guys are. Respect their practice and their work. I wasn't reminding anyone of the difference; Blizzcon will do that for me. My point is that the Koreans in the WCS Circuit are not very good, and should not be regarded as 'monsters' or 'powerhouses', etc I think Blizzcon on the contrary will show that the gap between Koreans powerhouses and guys like Polt isn't so huge, as it does every year (I'm fed up to bring up those everytime, but Polt vs Rain, Polt vs Classic, Hydra vs Dream, etc) Well, that seems to be EatingBomber's official TL writer prediction for Blizzcon, so you're probably right. Although Rain and Dream were very weak at Blizzcon tbh. They were, but when Dream made two SSL finals and Rain won GSL who would have said "those guys will have tough times against WCS players, one of them will even lose ?". No one. We need to be aware of how truly good the best players of the WCS circuit are. I definitely think the gap between PiG or PiLiPiLi and I don't know Journey or Losira is lightyears big, but the gap between Polt/Hydra/Snute etc and I don't know Zest is big, but not as big as many people seem to think.
I dunno atm the gap between Zest and most of Korea seems pretty huge 
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On March 05 2016 23:31 BretZ wrote:
I don't think I've seen TL so trashy ever since the WCS change. Can't we just watch some Starcraft? We got a great match up for a final on a brand new game. I'm excited
Yeah let the games begin and let's forget about the wannabe killjoys
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On March 05 2016 23:29 Thax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 23:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:25 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:23 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:21 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:18 Thax wrote:On March 05 2016 23:13 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:12 Thax wrote:
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Years of training and experience just doesn't disappear because you suddenly play on a different server. It would certainly lead to a marked decline Yes, but you still have that head start, which as is being demonstrated over and over again, is rather significant. The gap is only significant at the beginning. After that, mechanics, followed by strategic cleverness, display a marked decline. The mechanics of Hydra, Polt, and viOlet are very similar to those of the foreigners. Why are you watching if you think those guys are rubbish ? Where did I say these guys were rubbish? compared to Koreans I guess, but still, we don't need to be reminded every time how 100000 times worse than the Koreans those guys are. Respect their practice and their work. I wasn't reminding anyone of the difference; Blizzcon will do that for me. My point is that the Koreans in the WCS Circuit are not very good, and should not be regarded as 'monsters' or 'powerhouses', etc I think Blizzcon on the contrary will show that the gap between Koreans powerhouses and guys like Polt isn't so huge, as it does every year (I'm fed up to bring up those everytime, but Polt vs Rain, Polt vs Classic, Hydra vs Dream, etc) Yea, Polt going up against a GLS winner from that year each year and almost winning, sure proves how much he sucks.
He was one pixel off from beating rain T_T
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On March 05 2016 23:31 BretZ wrote:
I don't think I've seen TL so trashy ever since the WCS change. Can't we just watch some Starcraft? We got a great match up for a final on a brand new game. I'm excited
it's always been pretty trashy. Just think why there's so much moderation on TL.
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On March 05 2016 23:31 BretZ wrote:
I don't think I've seen TL so trashy ever since the WCS change. Can't we just watch some Starcraft? We got a great match up for a final on a brand new game. I'm excited
I would watch some Starcraft but there's no game going ._.
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On March 05 2016 23:27 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 23:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:25 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:23 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:21 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:18 Thax wrote:On March 05 2016 23:13 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:12 Thax wrote:
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Years of training and experience just doesn't disappear because you suddenly play on a different server. It would certainly lead to a marked decline Yes, but you still have that head start, which as is being demonstrated over and over again, is rather significant. The gap is only significant at the beginning. After that, mechanics, followed by strategic cleverness, display a marked decline. The mechanics of Hydra, Polt, and viOlet are very similar to those of the foreigners. Why are you watching if you think those guys are rubbish ? Where did I say these guys were rubbish? compared to Koreans I guess, but still, we don't need to be reminded every time how 100000 times worse than the Koreans those guys are. Respect their practice and their work. I wasn't reminding anyone of the difference; Blizzcon will do that for me. My point is that the Koreans in the WCS Circuit are not very good, and should not be regarded as 'monsters' or 'powerhouses', etc I think Blizzcon on the contrary will show that the gap between Koreans powerhouses and guys like Polt isn't so huge, as it does every year (I'm fed up to bring up those everytime, but Polt vs Rain, Polt vs Classic, Hydra vs Dream, etc) People don't realize that kespa boys aren't that good in week-end style tourneys
While I agree that Korean leagues differ substantially from western tournaments in terms of preparation, it's a still pretty inaccurate guess to label all "kespa boys" as incapable of performing well in a weekend-format tournament -> if you like to do some research, look up IEM or Dreamhack tournament history for the last 5 years.
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On March 05 2016 23:32 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 23:31 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:27 Elentos wrote:On March 05 2016 23:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:25 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:23 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:21 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:18 Thax wrote:
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Yes, but you still have that head start, which as is being demonstrated over and over again, is rather significant. The gap is only significant at the beginning. After that, mechanics, followed by strategic cleverness, display a marked decline. The mechanics of Hydra, Polt, and viOlet are very similar to those of the foreigners. Why are you watching if you think those guys are rubbish ? Where did I say these guys were rubbish? compared to Koreans I guess, but still, we don't need to be reminded every time how 100000 times worse than the Koreans those guys are. Respect their practice and their work. I wasn't reminding anyone of the difference; Blizzcon will do that for me. My point is that the Koreans in the WCS Circuit are not very good, and should not be regarded as 'monsters' or 'powerhouses', etc I think Blizzcon on the contrary will show that the gap between Koreans powerhouses and guys like Polt isn't so huge, as it does every year (I'm fed up to bring up those everytime, but Polt vs Rain, Polt vs Classic, Hydra vs Dream, etc) Well, that seems to be EatingBomber's official TL writer prediction for Blizzcon, so you're probably right. Although Rain and Dream were very weak at Blizzcon tbh. They were, but when Dream made two SSL finals and Rain won GSL who would have said "those guys will have tough times against WCS players, one of them will even lose ?". No one. We need to be aware of how truly good the best players of the WCS circuit are. I definitely think the gap between PiG or PiLiPiLi and I don't know Journey or Losira is lightyears big, but the gap between Polt/Hydra/Snute etc and I don't know Zest is big, but not as big as many people seem to think. I dunno atm the gap between Zest and most of Korea seems pretty huge
ha ha yeah I probably shouldn't have picked him but a lesser very good Korean that will make Blizzcon. Although Zest is known to have huge variations in his level, like when he got bopped by INnoVation in Blizzcon he looked awful.
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On March 05 2016 23:31 BretZ wrote:
I don't think I've seen TL so trashy ever since the WCS change. Can't we just watch some Starcraft? We got a great match up for a final on a brand new game. I'm excited
Everyone's gonna leave this topic when the games start, don't worry
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On March 05 2016 23:34 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 23:29 Thax wrote:On March 05 2016 23:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:25 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:23 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:21 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:18 Thax wrote:On March 05 2016 23:13 EatingBomber wrote:
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It would certainly lead to a marked decline Yes, but you still have that head start, which as is being demonstrated over and over again, is rather significant. The gap is only significant at the beginning. After that, mechanics, followed by strategic cleverness, display a marked decline. The mechanics of Hydra, Polt, and viOlet are very similar to those of the foreigners. Why are you watching if you think those guys are rubbish ? Where did I say these guys were rubbish? compared to Koreans I guess, but still, we don't need to be reminded every time how 100000 times worse than the Koreans those guys are. Respect their practice and their work. I wasn't reminding anyone of the difference; Blizzcon will do that for me. My point is that the Koreans in the WCS Circuit are not very good, and should not be regarded as 'monsters' or 'powerhouses', etc I think Blizzcon on the contrary will show that the gap between Koreans powerhouses and guys like Polt isn't so huge, as it does every year (I'm fed up to bring up those everytime, but Polt vs Rain, Polt vs Classic, Hydra vs Dream, etc) Yea, Polt going up against a GLS winner from that year each year and almost winning, sure proves how much he sucks. He was one pixel off from beating rain T_T
As much as I love Rain that last game made me sooooooo sad 
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