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On May 09 2015 07:44 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:42 Mozdk wrote:On May 09 2015 07:39 brickrd wrote:On May 09 2015 07:36 Mozdk wrote:On May 09 2015 07:34 brickrd wrote:On May 09 2015 07:32 Mozdk wrote:On May 09 2015 07:31 stuchiu wrote:On May 09 2015 07:24 Mozdk wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 brickrd wrote:
there's literally nothing left for zerg that actually straight up counters storm other than good positioning and like... ultras, i guess. storm is even decent against broods So zerg actually have to split now? How fucking fascinating. Depending on the army, Zerg splitting doesnt do much. Splitting roach hydra viper for instance means you're wasting time not attacking meaning the collosus stalker ball just kills you. Well vs that army it doesn't. But moving out of storms makes sense. For all races. not really? see my post, you can't just continually move back against protoss with roach hydra, the longer protoss controls space the stronger they get. the only situation where you outsplit storms with a zerg army is if they have almost nothing buffering, but that's not the case in the zvp meta, it's normally stalker/sentry/immortal/storm, and stalker/sentry/immo is already really good even without storm So moving 15 roaches out of a storm is not worth it? It's better to suck up the damage to get one more hit in? If you truely believe that, then you need to retake that math class. it has nothing to do with math and damage values.. as protoss every second you stay alive against a roach/hydra army while teching and producing units you are pulling ahead in the game. that is literally the entire goal of pvz against all lair tech combat units, you buy time until your composition advantage can assert itself. you're a protoss player so clearly you're aware that zone control is the one and only counter to lair tech aggression from zerg. if i max on roaches you just forcefield me until i die and if i pull back i'm wasting time and losing supply efficiency. storms are zone control just like FFs. Not exactly sure what you mean with zone control dude. Not really a term that's being used. Can you use another word? sorry but what is there to explain? it's basic english? a zone is an area, an area of the map. you control an area of the map by forcefielding to block movement, storms also block movement by forcing zerg units not to engage directly without taking severe damage
So you are actually arguying my point in stead of your own. Thank you sir.
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can we call it going full foreigner ?
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On May 09 2015 07:45 Rain.100 wrote:kinda sad how we never really see loser brackets was so standard in wc3, how was it in bw?
I dunno, i love this format too, giving a shot for redemption
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Wow those blinding clouds really turned it back around
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On May 09 2015 07:44 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 TheDwf wrote:Yeah, it confirms what I thought. FanTaSy got robbed. Dreamhack should disqualify HyuN for this tbh. IF it's true. need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert. It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied Disagree heavily, Hyun has no right to pause a game and recover it from the point that fits him. Fantasy has also no right to recover a game, so it doesn't matter if he agrees. In any case recovering is only to be used after a disconnect or computer failure, not after a lag. Show nested quote +The HOTS recover game from replay feature will be used in case of a disconnect by technical failure. If for some reason it does not work, see following rule:
If either player disconnects from the game due to technical reasons and the game is heavily favoured to the extent that the game would definitely have been won by one player an administrator may rule the game in favour of said player. Should the game be too close to call, it will be replayed. Anyway after a pause an admin has to be involved. Show nested quote +If a player must pause the game due to technical difficulties the player must if possible tell the opponent about this before pausing. After pausing the player must inform an administrator.
If a game is paused without a reasonable explanation such as a technical difficulty the game might result in a forfeit. That's the rule. Hyun has to call an admin, which he did not. He instead recoverd the game from a point he chose himself and the abused his knowledge to retreat instead of attacking what was what he originally did. In no way is that "fair and straight" and Hyun should be punished and I lost a lot of respect for him. Sadly it's way too late now and everything happened without an admin. I don't think DH will do anything about this, so Fantasy is just fucked. Too bad he is too nice and Korean culture forbids him from saying anything against the older Hyun and he just went along with it. http://open.dreamhack.se/page/2015-starcraft-ruleset/
Thanks for the clarification about rules. This is beyond stupid and I hope there will be consequences.
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On May 09 2015 07:45 Makro wrote:
can we call it going full foreigner ?
going full in-patience
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Kind of surprised Patience jumped in there with no High Templars at all
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the game of throws, sacsri aalmost throw the game away , and the paatience with the throw
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On May 09 2015 07:45 Makro wrote:
can we call it going full foreigner ?
Yes. That was bad. The hold was great, the attack was the worst.
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On May 09 2015 07:46 Caihead wrote:going full in-patience
Im-patience*
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Someone get Nathanias a stool already
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no but seriously anyone got an idea how to play ZvP on Echo? I keep it in because of cool ZvZ and ZvT, but I haven't seen a game yet where Zerg timing wouldn't be thwarted by Protoss collapsing the cooling tower until they have 1 billion forcefields.
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On May 09 2015 07:46 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:44 Musicus wrote:On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 TheDwf wrote:Yeah, it confirms what I thought. FanTaSy got robbed. Dreamhack should disqualify HyuN for this tbh. IF it's true. need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert. It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied Disagree heavily, Hyun has no right to pause a game and recover it from the point that fits him. Fantasy has also no right to recover a game, so it doesn't matter if he agrees. In any case recovering is only to be used after a disconnect or computer failure, not after a lag. The HOTS recover game from replay feature will be used in case of a disconnect by technical failure. If for some reason it does not work, see following rule:
If either player disconnects from the game due to technical reasons and the game is heavily favoured to the extent that the game would definitely have been won by one player an administrator may rule the game in favour of said player. Should the game be too close to call, it will be replayed. Anyway after a pause an admin has to be involved. If a player must pause the game due to technical difficulties the player must if possible tell the opponent about this before pausing. After pausing the player must inform an administrator.
If a game is paused without a reasonable explanation such as a technical difficulty the game might result in a forfeit. That's the rule. Hyun has to call an admin, which he did not. He instead recoverd the game from a point he chose himself and the abused his knowledge to retreat instead of attacking what was what he originally did. In no way is that "fair and straight" and Hyun should be punished and I lost a lot of respect for him. Sadly it's way too late now and everything happened without an admin. I don't think DH will do anything about this, so Fantasy is just fucked. Too bad he is too nice and Korean culture forbids him from saying anything against the older Hyun and he just went along with it. http://open.dreamhack.se/page/2015-starcraft-ruleset/ Thanks for the clarification about rules. This is beyond stupid and I hope there will be consequences.
Someone tweet Wax. The TL expert representative needs to take it into his own hands.
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I feel like Nathanias ain't even joking when he's talking about Wax...
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On May 09 2015 07:47 Yhamm wrote:
I feel like Nathanias ain't even joking when he's talking about Wax...
What did he say :o
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On May 09 2015 07:47 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:46 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:44 Musicus wrote:On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 TheDwf wrote:Yeah, it confirms what I thought. FanTaSy got robbed. Dreamhack should disqualify HyuN for this tbh. IF it's true. need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert. It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied Disagree heavily, Hyun has no right to pause a game and recover it from the point that fits him. Fantasy has also no right to recover a game, so it doesn't matter if he agrees. In any case recovering is only to be used after a disconnect or computer failure, not after a lag. The HOTS recover game from replay feature will be used in case of a disconnect by technical failure. If for some reason it does not work, see following rule:
If either player disconnects from the game due to technical reasons and the game is heavily favoured to the extent that the game would definitely have been won by one player an administrator may rule the game in favour of said player. Should the game be too close to call, it will be replayed. Anyway after a pause an admin has to be involved. If a player must pause the game due to technical difficulties the player must if possible tell the opponent about this before pausing. After pausing the player must inform an administrator.
If a game is paused without a reasonable explanation such as a technical difficulty the game might result in a forfeit. That's the rule. Hyun has to call an admin, which he did not. He instead recoverd the game from a point he chose himself and the abused his knowledge to retreat instead of attacking what was what he originally did. In no way is that "fair and straight" and Hyun should be punished and I lost a lot of respect for him. Sadly it's way too late now and everything happened without an admin. I don't think DH will do anything about this, so Fantasy is just fucked. Too bad he is too nice and Korean culture forbids him from saying anything against the older Hyun and he just went along with it. http://open.dreamhack.se/page/2015-starcraft-ruleset/ Thanks for the clarification about rules. This is beyond stupid and I hope there will be consequences. Someone tweet Wax. The TL expert representative needs to take it into his own hands.
This belongs to DH admins.
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On May 09 2015 07:45 Rain.100 wrote:kinda sad how we never really see loser brackets was so standard in wc3, how was it in bw?
well technically five match group play is a loser bracket, just a very small one 
i guess a lot of people would feel individual tournaments should be "pure" wins where you take out every opponent you face, although there's a pretty good argument that loser bracket is more statistically sound in terms of fluke wins/losses. that could be another factor too, though - organizers might like the idea of the more volatile single elimination because it increases the potential for upset runs
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On May 09 2015 07:46 Ej_ wrote:
no but seriously anyone got an idea how to play ZvP on Echo? I keep it in because of cool ZvZ and ZvT, but I haven't seen a game yet where Zerg timing wouldn't be thwarted by Protoss collapsing the cooling tower until they have 1 billion forcefields.
you can hit a 2 base roach timing where they shouldn't have enough sentries
but aside from that, ground aggression doesn't work, so either mutas or passive tech-greed
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On May 09 2015 07:48 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:47 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:46 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:44 Musicus wrote:On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 TheDwf wrote:
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Yeah, it confirms what I thought. FanTaSy got robbed. Dreamhack should disqualify HyuN for this tbh. IF it's true. need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert. It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied Disagree heavily, Hyun has no right to pause a game and recover it from the point that fits him. Fantasy has also no right to recover a game, so it doesn't matter if he agrees. In any case recovering is only to be used after a disconnect or computer failure, not after a lag. The HOTS recover game from replay feature will be used in case of a disconnect by technical failure. If for some reason it does not work, see following rule:
If either player disconnects from the game due to technical reasons and the game is heavily favoured to the extent that the game would definitely have been won by one player an administrator may rule the game in favour of said player. Should the game be too close to call, it will be replayed. Anyway after a pause an admin has to be involved. If a player must pause the game due to technical difficulties the player must if possible tell the opponent about this before pausing. After pausing the player must inform an administrator.
If a game is paused without a reasonable explanation such as a technical difficulty the game might result in a forfeit. That's the rule. Hyun has to call an admin, which he did not. He instead recoverd the game from a point he chose himself and the abused his knowledge to retreat instead of attacking what was what he originally did. In no way is that "fair and straight" and Hyun should be punished and I lost a lot of respect for him. Sadly it's way too late now and everything happened without an admin. I don't think DH will do anything about this, so Fantasy is just fucked. Too bad he is too nice and Korean culture forbids him from saying anything against the older Hyun and he just went along with it. http://open.dreamhack.se/page/2015-starcraft-ruleset/ Thanks for the clarification about rules. This is beyond stupid and I hope there will be consequences. Someone tweet Wax. The TL expert representative needs to take it into his own hands. This belongs to DH admins.
It will end with a coinflip
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On May 09 2015 07:48 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:47 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:46 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:44 Musicus wrote:On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 TheDwf wrote:
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Yeah, it confirms what I thought. FanTaSy got robbed. Dreamhack should disqualify HyuN for this tbh. IF it's true. need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert. It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied Disagree heavily, Hyun has no right to pause a game and recover it from the point that fits him. Fantasy has also no right to recover a game, so it doesn't matter if he agrees. In any case recovering is only to be used after a disconnect or computer failure, not after a lag. The HOTS recover game from replay feature will be used in case of a disconnect by technical failure. If for some reason it does not work, see following rule:
If either player disconnects from the game due to technical reasons and the game is heavily favoured to the extent that the game would definitely have been won by one player an administrator may rule the game in favour of said player. Should the game be too close to call, it will be replayed. Anyway after a pause an admin has to be involved. If a player must pause the game due to technical difficulties the player must if possible tell the opponent about this before pausing. After pausing the player must inform an administrator.
If a game is paused without a reasonable explanation such as a technical difficulty the game might result in a forfeit. That's the rule. Hyun has to call an admin, which he did not. He instead recoverd the game from a point he chose himself and the abused his knowledge to retreat instead of attacking what was what he originally did. In no way is that "fair and straight" and Hyun should be punished and I lost a lot of respect for him. Sadly it's way too late now and everything happened without an admin. I don't think DH will do anything about this, so Fantasy is just fucked. Too bad he is too nice and Korean culture forbids him from saying anything against the older Hyun and he just went along with it. http://open.dreamhack.se/page/2015-starcraft-ruleset/ Thanks for the clarification about rules. This is beyond stupid and I hope there will be consequences. Someone tweet Wax. The TL expert representative needs to take it into his own hands. This belongs to DH admins.
Yeah I know but I'm skeptical they'll react on their own. So have Wax be the sacrifical lamb. Actually, tweet it at EVERYONE involved so they know that series needs to be replayed.
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