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On May 09 2015 07:54 BisuDagger wrote:
If Patience can get a sixth nexus he's got this.
I think if he takes all bases on the map he wins.
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On May 09 2015 07:50 KingAlphard wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:48 Alchemik wrote:On May 09 2015 07:46 Ej_ wrote:
no but seriously anyone got an idea how to play ZvP on Echo? I keep it in because of cool ZvZ and ZvT, but I haven't seen a game yet where Zerg timing wouldn't be thwarted by Protoss collapsing the cooling tower until they have 1 billion forcefields. you can hit a 2 base roach timing where they shouldn't have enough sentries but aside from that, ground aggression doesn't work, so either mutas or passive tech-greed 2 base roach..... "timing" ......
yea a high level protoss is going to produce extra sentries/cannons if they see a late third, no?
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On May 09 2015 07:54 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:54 Roadog wrote:On May 09 2015 07:51 Mozdk wrote:
Ehm are they just ignoring that Patience is about to die? No, also he survived On May 09 2015 07:50 KingAlphard wrote:On May 09 2015 07:48 Alchemik wrote:On May 09 2015 07:46 Ej_ wrote:
no but seriously anyone got an idea how to play ZvP on Echo? I keep it in because of cool ZvZ and ZvT, but I haven't seen a game yet where Zerg timing wouldn't be thwarted by Protoss collapsing the cooling tower until they have 1 billion forcefields. you can hit a 2 base roach timing where they shouldn't have enough sentries but aside from that, ground aggression doesn't work, so either mutas or passive tech-greed 2 base roach..... "timing" ...... You know, like a 2 base 7gate "timing" except the one I'm talking about isn't an all-in :/
Whoosh.
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On May 09 2015 07:54 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:53 brickrd wrote:On May 09 2015 07:51 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:49 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:44 Musicus wrote:On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:
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Dreamhack should disqualify HyuN for this tbh. IF it's true. need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert. It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied Disagree heavily, Hyun has no right to pause a game and recover it from the point that fits him. Fantasy has also no right to recover a game, so it doesn't matter if he agrees. In any case recovering is only to be used after a disconnect or computer failure, not after a lag. The HOTS recover game from replay feature will be used in case of a disconnect by technical failure. If for some reason it does not work, see following rule:
If either player disconnects from the game due to technical reasons and the game is heavily favoured to the extent that the game would definitely have been won by one player an administrator may rule the game in favour of said player. Should the game be too close to call, it will be replayed. Anyway after a pause an admin has to be involved. If a player must pause the game due to technical difficulties the player must if possible tell the opponent about this before pausing. After pausing the player must inform an administrator.
If a game is paused without a reasonable explanation such as a technical difficulty the game might result in a forfeit. That's the rule. Hyun has to call an admin, which he did not. He instead recovered the game from a point he chose himself and the abused his knowledge to retreat instead of attacking what was what he originally did. In no way is that "fair and straight" and Hyun should be punished and I lost a lot of respect for him. Sadly it's way too late now and everything happened without an admin. I don't think DH will do anything about this, so Fantasy is just fucked. Too bad he is too nice and Korean culture forbids him from saying anything against the older Hyun and he just went along with it. http://open.dreamhack.se/page/2015-starcraft-ruleset/ If the other player allows it then it should be respected. There was no admin so the problem is from the tournament Hyun and Fantasy did what they thought it was right. They acted conscientiously in good faith. If the rules state that an admin has to be called, FanTaSy's decision to accept is irrelevant (especially as it can be abused anyway). HyuN certainly did not act in good faith, or he would have reloaded the game at 12'12 - 12'15. Lag had nothing to do with his wrong decision to commit. may or may not be poor sportsmanship by hyun but it would mainly be dreamhacks fuckup for not controlling their tournament tbh That doesn't warrant exploiting the situation.
pretty sure that's covered by "may be poor sportsmanship"
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On May 09 2015 07:54 TheAnarchy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:51 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:49 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:44 Musicus wrote:On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 TheDwf wrote:
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Yeah, it confirms what I thought. FanTaSy got robbed. Dreamhack should disqualify HyuN for this tbh. IF it's true. need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert. It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied Disagree heavily, Hyun has no right to pause a game and recover it from the point that fits him. Fantasy has also no right to recover a game, so it doesn't matter if he agrees. In any case recovering is only to be used after a disconnect or computer failure, not after a lag. The HOTS recover game from replay feature will be used in case of a disconnect by technical failure. If for some reason it does not work, see following rule:
If either player disconnects from the game due to technical reasons and the game is heavily favoured to the extent that the game would definitely have been won by one player an administrator may rule the game in favour of said player. Should the game be too close to call, it will be replayed. Anyway after a pause an admin has to be involved. If a player must pause the game due to technical difficulties the player must if possible tell the opponent about this before pausing. After pausing the player must inform an administrator.
If a game is paused without a reasonable explanation such as a technical difficulty the game might result in a forfeit. That's the rule. Hyun has to call an admin, which he did not. He instead recovered the game from a point he chose himself and the abused his knowledge to retreat instead of attacking what was what he originally did. In no way is that "fair and straight" and Hyun should be punished and I lost a lot of respect for him. Sadly it's way too late now and everything happened without an admin. I don't think DH will do anything about this, so Fantasy is just fucked. Too bad he is too nice and Korean culture forbids him from saying anything against the older Hyun and he just went along with it. http://open.dreamhack.se/page/2015-starcraft-ruleset/ If the other player allows it then it should be respected. There was no admin so the problem is from the tournament Hyun and Fantasy did what they thought it was right. They acted conscientiously in good faith. It was against the rules. That's the end of that. Rules Complaints If a player wants to make a complaint about a game result, the player has to tell theadministrator assigned to the match immediately following the game. Did Fantasy made a complaint after the game? No he didnt so thats the end of that
So you're just being ridiculous and biased. Got it.
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On May 09 2015 07:49 TheAnarchy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:44 Musicus wrote:On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 TheDwf wrote:Yeah, it confirms what I thought. FanTaSy got robbed. Dreamhack should disqualify HyuN for this tbh. IF it's true. need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert. It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied Disagree heavily, Hyun has no right to pause a game and recover it from the point that fits him. Fantasy has also no right to recover a game, so it doesn't matter if he agrees. In any case recovering is only to be used after a disconnect or computer failure, not after a lag. The HOTS recover game from replay feature will be used in case of a disconnect by technical failure. If for some reason it does not work, see following rule:
If either player disconnects from the game due to technical reasons and the game is heavily favoured to the extent that the game would definitely have been won by one player an administrator may rule the game in favour of said player. Should the game be too close to call, it will be replayed. Anyway after a pause an admin has to be involved. If a player must pause the game due to technical difficulties the player must if possible tell the opponent about this before pausing. After pausing the player must inform an administrator.
If a game is paused without a reasonable explanation such as a technical difficulty the game might result in a forfeit. That's the rule. Hyun has to call an admin, which he did not. He instead recovered the game from a point he chose himself and the abused his knowledge to retreat instead of attacking what was what he originally did. In no way is that "fair and straight" and Hyun should be punished and I lost a lot of respect for him. Sadly it's way too late now and everything happened without an admin. I don't think DH will do anything about this, so Fantasy is just fucked. Too bad he is too nice and Korean culture forbids him from saying anything against the older Hyun and he just went along with it. http://open.dreamhack.se/page/2015-starcraft-ruleset/ If the other player allows it then it should be respected. There was no admin so the problem is from the tournament Hyun and Fantasy did what they thought it was right. They acted conscientiously in good faith.
You can't be serious? Why even have rules then? What if they agreed to a Best of a million? What if they agree to throw games or some other bullshit?
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On May 09 2015 07:54 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:53 brickrd wrote:On May 09 2015 07:51 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:49 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:44 Musicus wrote:On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:
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Dreamhack should disqualify HyuN for this tbh. IF it's true. need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert. It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied Disagree heavily, Hyun has no right to pause a game and recover it from the point that fits him. Fantasy has also no right to recover a game, so it doesn't matter if he agrees. In any case recovering is only to be used after a disconnect or computer failure, not after a lag. The HOTS recover game from replay feature will be used in case of a disconnect by technical failure. If for some reason it does not work, see following rule:
If either player disconnects from the game due to technical reasons and the game is heavily favoured to the extent that the game would definitely have been won by one player an administrator may rule the game in favour of said player. Should the game be too close to call, it will be replayed. Anyway after a pause an admin has to be involved. If a player must pause the game due to technical difficulties the player must if possible tell the opponent about this before pausing. After pausing the player must inform an administrator.
If a game is paused without a reasonable explanation such as a technical difficulty the game might result in a forfeit. That's the rule. Hyun has to call an admin, which he did not. He instead recovered the game from a point he chose himself and the abused his knowledge to retreat instead of attacking what was what he originally did. In no way is that "fair and straight" and Hyun should be punished and I lost a lot of respect for him. Sadly it's way too late now and everything happened without an admin. I don't think DH will do anything about this, so Fantasy is just fucked. Too bad he is too nice and Korean culture forbids him from saying anything against the older Hyun and he just went along with it. http://open.dreamhack.se/page/2015-starcraft-ruleset/ If the other player allows it then it should be respected. There was no admin so the problem is from the tournament Hyun and Fantasy did what they thought it was right. They acted conscientiously in good faith. If the rules state that an admin has to be called, FanTaSy's decision to accept is irrelevant (especially as it can be abused anyway). HyuN certainly did not act in good faith, or he would have reloaded the game at 12'12 - 12'15. Lag had nothing to do with his wrong decision to commit. may or may not be poor sportsmanship by hyun but it would mainly be dreamhacks fuckup for not controlling their tournament tbh That doesn't warrant exploiting the situation.
Yeah lag during the tournament is unfortunate for both players, but slandering the players over the incompetence of technicians and "admins"?
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On May 09 2015 07:54 TheAnarchy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:51 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:49 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:44 Musicus wrote:On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 TheDwf wrote:
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Yeah, it confirms what I thought. FanTaSy got robbed. Dreamhack should disqualify HyuN for this tbh. IF it's true. need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert. It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied Disagree heavily, Hyun has no right to pause a game and recover it from the point that fits him. Fantasy has also no right to recover a game, so it doesn't matter if he agrees. In any case recovering is only to be used after a disconnect or computer failure, not after a lag. The HOTS recover game from replay feature will be used in case of a disconnect by technical failure. If for some reason it does not work, see following rule:
If either player disconnects from the game due to technical reasons and the game is heavily favoured to the extent that the game would definitely have been won by one player an administrator may rule the game in favour of said player. Should the game be too close to call, it will be replayed. Anyway after a pause an admin has to be involved. If a player must pause the game due to technical difficulties the player must if possible tell the opponent about this before pausing. After pausing the player must inform an administrator.
If a game is paused without a reasonable explanation such as a technical difficulty the game might result in a forfeit. That's the rule. Hyun has to call an admin, which he did not. He instead recovered the game from a point he chose himself and the abused his knowledge to retreat instead of attacking what was what he originally did. In no way is that "fair and straight" and Hyun should be punished and I lost a lot of respect for him. Sadly it's way too late now and everything happened without an admin. I don't think DH will do anything about this, so Fantasy is just fucked. Too bad he is too nice and Korean culture forbids him from saying anything against the older Hyun and he just went along with it. http://open.dreamhack.se/page/2015-starcraft-ruleset/ If the other player allows it then it should be respected. There was no admin so the problem is from the tournament Hyun and Fantasy did what they thought it was right. They acted conscientiously in good faith. It was against the rules. That's the end of that. Rules Complaints If a player wants to make a complaint about a game result, the player has to tell theadministrator assigned to the match immediately following the game. Did Fantasy made a complaint after the game? No he didnt so thats the end of that
That's true, that's why I said it's too late now and Fantasy is just too nice. But I can still dislike Hyun after what he did and do not have to respect his bahavior.
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On May 09 2015 07:53 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:51 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:49 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:44 Musicus wrote:On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 TheDwf wrote:
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Yeah, it confirms what I thought. FanTaSy got robbed. Dreamhack should disqualify HyuN for this tbh. IF it's true. need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert. It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied Disagree heavily, Hyun has no right to pause a game and recover it from the point that fits him. Fantasy has also no right to recover a game, so it doesn't matter if he agrees. In any case recovering is only to be used after a disconnect or computer failure, not after a lag. The HOTS recover game from replay feature will be used in case of a disconnect by technical failure. If for some reason it does not work, see following rule:
If either player disconnects from the game due to technical reasons and the game is heavily favoured to the extent that the game would definitely have been won by one player an administrator may rule the game in favour of said player. Should the game be too close to call, it will be replayed. Anyway after a pause an admin has to be involved. If a player must pause the game due to technical difficulties the player must if possible tell the opponent about this before pausing. After pausing the player must inform an administrator.
If a game is paused without a reasonable explanation such as a technical difficulty the game might result in a forfeit. That's the rule. Hyun has to call an admin, which he did not. He instead recovered the game from a point he chose himself and the abused his knowledge to retreat instead of attacking what was what he originally did. In no way is that "fair and straight" and Hyun should be punished and I lost a lot of respect for him. Sadly it's way too late now and everything happened without an admin. I don't think DH will do anything about this, so Fantasy is just fucked. Too bad he is too nice and Korean culture forbids him from saying anything against the older Hyun and he just went along with it. http://open.dreamhack.se/page/2015-starcraft-ruleset/ If the other player allows it then it should be respected. There was no admin so the problem is from the tournament Hyun and Fantasy did what they thought it was right. They acted conscientiously in good faith. If the rules state that an admin has to be called, FanTaSy's decision to accept is irrelevant (especially as it can be abused anyway). HyuN certainly did not act in good faith, or he would have reloaded the game at 12'12 - 12'15. Lag had nothing to do with his wrong decision to commit. may or may not be poor sportsmanship by hyun but it would mainly be dreamhacks fuckup for not controlling their tournament tbh
Since there were only 2 games played by this time (?), probably, yes. I wonder how many admins there are and what they were up to, because I and several other persons immediately saw this...
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On May 09 2015 07:55 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:54 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:51 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:49 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:44 Musicus wrote:On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:
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Dreamhack should disqualify HyuN for this tbh. IF it's true. need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert. It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied Disagree heavily, Hyun has no right to pause a game and recover it from the point that fits him. Fantasy has also no right to recover a game, so it doesn't matter if he agrees. In any case recovering is only to be used after a disconnect or computer failure, not after a lag. The HOTS recover game from replay feature will be used in case of a disconnect by technical failure. If for some reason it does not work, see following rule:
If either player disconnects from the game due to technical reasons and the game is heavily favoured to the extent that the game would definitely have been won by one player an administrator may rule the game in favour of said player. Should the game be too close to call, it will be replayed. Anyway after a pause an admin has to be involved. If a player must pause the game due to technical difficulties the player must if possible tell the opponent about this before pausing. After pausing the player must inform an administrator.
If a game is paused without a reasonable explanation such as a technical difficulty the game might result in a forfeit. That's the rule. Hyun has to call an admin, which he did not. He instead recovered the game from a point he chose himself and the abused his knowledge to retreat instead of attacking what was what he originally did. In no way is that "fair and straight" and Hyun should be punished and I lost a lot of respect for him. Sadly it's way too late now and everything happened without an admin. I don't think DH will do anything about this, so Fantasy is just fucked. Too bad he is too nice and Korean culture forbids him from saying anything against the older Hyun and he just went along with it. http://open.dreamhack.se/page/2015-starcraft-ruleset/ If the other player allows it then it should be respected. There was no admin so the problem is from the tournament Hyun and Fantasy did what they thought it was right. They acted conscientiously in good faith. It was against the rules. That's the end of that. Rules Complaints If a player wants to make a complaint about a game result, the player has to tell theadministrator assigned to the match immediately following the game. Did Fantasy made a complaint after the game? No he didnt so thats the end of that So you're just being ridiculous and biased. Got it.
oh god he has a different opinion, everyone, grab the pitchforks!
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On May 09 2015 07:56 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:54 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:51 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:49 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:44 Musicus wrote:On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:
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Dreamhack should disqualify HyuN for this tbh. IF it's true. need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert. It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied Disagree heavily, Hyun has no right to pause a game and recover it from the point that fits him. Fantasy has also no right to recover a game, so it doesn't matter if he agrees. In any case recovering is only to be used after a disconnect or computer failure, not after a lag. The HOTS recover game from replay feature will be used in case of a disconnect by technical failure. If for some reason it does not work, see following rule:
If either player disconnects from the game due to technical reasons and the game is heavily favoured to the extent that the game would definitely have been won by one player an administrator may rule the game in favour of said player. Should the game be too close to call, it will be replayed. Anyway after a pause an admin has to be involved. If a player must pause the game due to technical difficulties the player must if possible tell the opponent about this before pausing. After pausing the player must inform an administrator.
If a game is paused without a reasonable explanation such as a technical difficulty the game might result in a forfeit. That's the rule. Hyun has to call an admin, which he did not. He instead recovered the game from a point he chose himself and the abused his knowledge to retreat instead of attacking what was what he originally did. In no way is that "fair and straight" and Hyun should be punished and I lost a lot of respect for him. Sadly it's way too late now and everything happened without an admin. I don't think DH will do anything about this, so Fantasy is just fucked. Too bad he is too nice and Korean culture forbids him from saying anything against the older Hyun and he just went along with it. http://open.dreamhack.se/page/2015-starcraft-ruleset/ If the other player allows it then it should be respected. There was no admin so the problem is from the tournament Hyun and Fantasy did what they thought it was right. They acted conscientiously in good faith. It was against the rules. That's the end of that. Rules Complaints If a player wants to make a complaint about a game result, the player has to tell theadministrator assigned to the match immediately following the game. Did Fantasy made a complaint after the game? No he didnt so thats the end of that That's true, that's why I said it's too late now and Fantasy is just too nice. But I can still dislike Hyung after what he did and do not have to respect his bahavior.
HyuN-hyung.
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On May 09 2015 07:55 Thrillz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:49 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:44 Musicus wrote:On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 TheDwf wrote:Yeah, it confirms what I thought. FanTaSy got robbed. Dreamhack should disqualify HyuN for this tbh. IF it's true. need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert. It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied Disagree heavily, Hyun has no right to pause a game and recover it from the point that fits him. Fantasy has also no right to recover a game, so it doesn't matter if he agrees. In any case recovering is only to be used after a disconnect or computer failure, not after a lag. The HOTS recover game from replay feature will be used in case of a disconnect by technical failure. If for some reason it does not work, see following rule:
If either player disconnects from the game due to technical reasons and the game is heavily favoured to the extent that the game would definitely have been won by one player an administrator may rule the game in favour of said player. Should the game be too close to call, it will be replayed. Anyway after a pause an admin has to be involved. If a player must pause the game due to technical difficulties the player must if possible tell the opponent about this before pausing. After pausing the player must inform an administrator.
If a game is paused without a reasonable explanation such as a technical difficulty the game might result in a forfeit. That's the rule. Hyun has to call an admin, which he did not. He instead recovered the game from a point he chose himself and the abused his knowledge to retreat instead of attacking what was what he originally did. In no way is that "fair and straight" and Hyun should be punished and I lost a lot of respect for him. Sadly it's way too late now and everything happened without an admin. I don't think DH will do anything about this, so Fantasy is just fucked. Too bad he is too nice and Korean culture forbids him from saying anything against the older Hyun and he just went along with it. http://open.dreamhack.se/page/2015-starcraft-ruleset/ If the other player allows it then it should be respected. There was no admin so the problem is from the tournament Hyun and Fantasy did what they thought it was right. They acted conscientiously in good faith. You can't be serious? Why even have rules then? What if they agreed to a Best of a million? What if they agree to throw games or some other bullshit?
I gotta agree with if Fantasy understands what happened and is not complaining then we should let this go.
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On May 09 2015 07:57 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:55 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:54 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:51 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:49 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:44 Musicus wrote:On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:
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need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert. It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied Disagree heavily, Hyun has no right to pause a game and recover it from the point that fits him. Fantasy has also no right to recover a game, so it doesn't matter if he agrees. In any case recovering is only to be used after a disconnect or computer failure, not after a lag. The HOTS recover game from replay feature will be used in case of a disconnect by technical failure. If for some reason it does not work, see following rule:
If either player disconnects from the game due to technical reasons and the game is heavily favoured to the extent that the game would definitely have been won by one player an administrator may rule the game in favour of said player. Should the game be too close to call, it will be replayed. Anyway after a pause an admin has to be involved. If a player must pause the game due to technical difficulties the player must if possible tell the opponent about this before pausing. After pausing the player must inform an administrator.
If a game is paused without a reasonable explanation such as a technical difficulty the game might result in a forfeit. That's the rule. Hyun has to call an admin, which he did not. He instead recovered the game from a point he chose himself and the abused his knowledge to retreat instead of attacking what was what he originally did. In no way is that "fair and straight" and Hyun should be punished and I lost a lot of respect for him. Sadly it's way too late now and everything happened without an admin. I don't think DH will do anything about this, so Fantasy is just fucked. Too bad he is too nice and Korean culture forbids him from saying anything against the older Hyun and he just went along with it. http://open.dreamhack.se/page/2015-starcraft-ruleset/ If the other player allows it then it should be respected. There was no admin so the problem is from the tournament Hyun and Fantasy did what they thought it was right. They acted conscientiously in good faith. It was against the rules. That's the end of that. Rules Complaints If a player wants to make a complaint about a game result, the player has to tell theadministrator assigned to the match immediately following the game. Did Fantasy made a complaint after the game? No he didnt so thats the end of that So you're just being ridiculous and biased. Got it. oh god he has a different opinion, everyone, grab the pitchforks!
No, he's trying to twist this into a situation were what the 2 of them did was in line with the rules which it wasn't.
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Things are getting really boring , guess the only thing left for me to do is to head to the bed (afterall it's 2 AM)
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On May 09 2015 07:57 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:56 Musicus wrote:On May 09 2015 07:54 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:51 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:49 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:44 Musicus wrote:On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:
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need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert. It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied Disagree heavily, Hyun has no right to pause a game and recover it from the point that fits him. Fantasy has also no right to recover a game, so it doesn't matter if he agrees. In any case recovering is only to be used after a disconnect or computer failure, not after a lag. The HOTS recover game from replay feature will be used in case of a disconnect by technical failure. If for some reason it does not work, see following rule:
If either player disconnects from the game due to technical reasons and the game is heavily favoured to the extent that the game would definitely have been won by one player an administrator may rule the game in favour of said player. Should the game be too close to call, it will be replayed. Anyway after a pause an admin has to be involved. If a player must pause the game due to technical difficulties the player must if possible tell the opponent about this before pausing. After pausing the player must inform an administrator.
If a game is paused without a reasonable explanation such as a technical difficulty the game might result in a forfeit. That's the rule. Hyun has to call an admin, which he did not. He instead recovered the game from a point he chose himself and the abused his knowledge to retreat instead of attacking what was what he originally did. In no way is that "fair and straight" and Hyun should be punished and I lost a lot of respect for him. Sadly it's way too late now and everything happened without an admin. I don't think DH will do anything about this, so Fantasy is just fucked. Too bad he is too nice and Korean culture forbids him from saying anything against the older Hyun and he just went along with it. http://open.dreamhack.se/page/2015-starcraft-ruleset/ If the other player allows it then it should be respected. There was no admin so the problem is from the tournament Hyun and Fantasy did what they thought it was right. They acted conscientiously in good faith. It was against the rules. That's the end of that. Rules Complaints If a player wants to make a complaint about a game result, the player has to tell theadministrator assigned to the match immediately following the game. Did Fantasy made a complaint after the game? No he didnt so thats the end of that That's true, that's why I said it's too late now and Fantasy is just too nice. But I can still dislike Hyung after what he did and do not have to respect his bahavior. HyuN-hyung.
lol
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On May 09 2015 07:55 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:54 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:51 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:49 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:44 Musicus wrote:On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:
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Dreamhack should disqualify HyuN for this tbh. IF it's true. need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert. It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied Disagree heavily, Hyun has no right to pause a game and recover it from the point that fits him. Fantasy has also no right to recover a game, so it doesn't matter if he agrees. In any case recovering is only to be used after a disconnect or computer failure, not after a lag. The HOTS recover game from replay feature will be used in case of a disconnect by technical failure. If for some reason it does not work, see following rule:
If either player disconnects from the game due to technical reasons and the game is heavily favoured to the extent that the game would definitely have been won by one player an administrator may rule the game in favour of said player. Should the game be too close to call, it will be replayed. Anyway after a pause an admin has to be involved. If a player must pause the game due to technical difficulties the player must if possible tell the opponent about this before pausing. After pausing the player must inform an administrator.
If a game is paused without a reasonable explanation such as a technical difficulty the game might result in a forfeit. That's the rule. Hyun has to call an admin, which he did not. He instead recovered the game from a point he chose himself and the abused his knowledge to retreat instead of attacking what was what he originally did. In no way is that "fair and straight" and Hyun should be punished and I lost a lot of respect for him. Sadly it's way too late now and everything happened without an admin. I don't think DH will do anything about this, so Fantasy is just fucked. Too bad he is too nice and Korean culture forbids him from saying anything against the older Hyun and he just went along with it. http://open.dreamhack.se/page/2015-starcraft-ruleset/ If the other player allows it then it should be respected. There was no admin so the problem is from the tournament Hyun and Fantasy did what they thought it was right. They acted conscientiously in good faith. It was against the rules. That's the end of that. Rules Complaints If a player wants to make a complaint about a game result, the player has to tell theadministrator assigned to the match immediately following the game. Did Fantasy made a complaint after the game? No he didnt so thats the end of that So you're just being ridiculous and biased. Got it.
If you want to apply the rules by book then Fantasy made the mistake. If you want to be reasonable then Fantasy also made the mistake because he allowed Hyun to reset the match from the 12 minute mark. You are assuming that Fantasy got fooled and that Hyun made this all on concius (im presuming the good faith)
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On May 09 2015 07:57 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:55 Thrillz wrote:On May 09 2015 07:49 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:44 Musicus wrote:On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 TheDwf wrote:
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Yeah, it confirms what I thought. FanTaSy got robbed. Dreamhack should disqualify HyuN for this tbh. IF it's true. need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert. It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied Disagree heavily, Hyun has no right to pause a game and recover it from the point that fits him. Fantasy has also no right to recover a game, so it doesn't matter if he agrees. In any case recovering is only to be used after a disconnect or computer failure, not after a lag. The HOTS recover game from replay feature will be used in case of a disconnect by technical failure. If for some reason it does not work, see following rule:
If either player disconnects from the game due to technical reasons and the game is heavily favoured to the extent that the game would definitely have been won by one player an administrator may rule the game in favour of said player. Should the game be too close to call, it will be replayed. Anyway after a pause an admin has to be involved. If a player must pause the game due to technical difficulties the player must if possible tell the opponent about this before pausing. After pausing the player must inform an administrator.
If a game is paused without a reasonable explanation such as a technical difficulty the game might result in a forfeit. That's the rule. Hyun has to call an admin, which he did not. He instead recovered the game from a point he chose himself and the abused his knowledge to retreat instead of attacking what was what he originally did. In no way is that "fair and straight" and Hyun should be punished and I lost a lot of respect for him. Sadly it's way too late now and everything happened without an admin. I don't think DH will do anything about this, so Fantasy is just fucked. Too bad he is too nice and Korean culture forbids him from saying anything against the older Hyun and he just went along with it. http://open.dreamhack.se/page/2015-starcraft-ruleset/ If the other player allows it then it should be respected. There was no admin so the problem is from the tournament Hyun and Fantasy did what they thought it was right. They acted conscientiously in good faith. You can't be serious? Why even have rules then? What if they agreed to a Best of a million? What if they agree to throw games or some other bullshit? I gotta agree with if Fantasy understands what happened and is not complaining then we should let this go.
Getting DH to inform players and then enforce their rules would be a good thing for the future though!
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On May 09 2015 07:54 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:54 Roadog wrote:On May 09 2015 07:51 Mozdk wrote:
Ehm are they just ignoring that Patience is about to die? No, also he survived On May 09 2015 07:50 KingAlphard wrote:On May 09 2015 07:48 Alchemik wrote:On May 09 2015 07:46 Ej_ wrote:
no but seriously anyone got an idea how to play ZvP on Echo? I keep it in because of cool ZvZ and ZvT, but I haven't seen a game yet where Zerg timing wouldn't be thwarted by Protoss collapsing the cooling tower until they have 1 billion forcefields. you can hit a 2 base roach timing where they shouldn't have enough sentries but aside from that, ground aggression doesn't work, so either mutas or passive tech-greed 2 base roach..... "timing" ...... You know, like a 2 base 7gate "timing" except the one I'm talking about isn't an all-in :/
What is it? 1-1 burrowed roaches off of 50 drones on 2 bases at 8:30?
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On May 09 2015 07:58 TheAnarchy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:55 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:54 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:51 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:49 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:44 Musicus wrote:On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:
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need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert. It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied Disagree heavily, Hyun has no right to pause a game and recover it from the point that fits him. Fantasy has also no right to recover a game, so it doesn't matter if he agrees. In any case recovering is only to be used after a disconnect or computer failure, not after a lag. The HOTS recover game from replay feature will be used in case of a disconnect by technical failure. If for some reason it does not work, see following rule:
If either player disconnects from the game due to technical reasons and the game is heavily favoured to the extent that the game would definitely have been won by one player an administrator may rule the game in favour of said player. Should the game be too close to call, it will be replayed. Anyway after a pause an admin has to be involved. If a player must pause the game due to technical difficulties the player must if possible tell the opponent about this before pausing. After pausing the player must inform an administrator.
If a game is paused without a reasonable explanation such as a technical difficulty the game might result in a forfeit. That's the rule. Hyun has to call an admin, which he did not. He instead recovered the game from a point he chose himself and the abused his knowledge to retreat instead of attacking what was what he originally did. In no way is that "fair and straight" and Hyun should be punished and I lost a lot of respect for him. Sadly it's way too late now and everything happened without an admin. I don't think DH will do anything about this, so Fantasy is just fucked. Too bad he is too nice and Korean culture forbids him from saying anything against the older Hyun and he just went along with it. http://open.dreamhack.se/page/2015-starcraft-ruleset/ If the other player allows it then it should be respected. There was no admin so the problem is from the tournament Hyun and Fantasy did what they thought it was right. They acted conscientiously in good faith. It was against the rules. That's the end of that. Rules Complaints If a player wants to make a complaint about a game result, the player has to tell theadministrator assigned to the match immediately following the game. Did Fantasy made a complaint after the game? No he didnt so thats the end of that So you're just being ridiculous and biased. Got it. If you want to apply the rules by book then Fantasy made the mistake. If you want to be reasonable then Fantasy also made the mistake because he allowed Hyun to reset the match from the 12 minute mark. You are assuming that Fantasy got fooled and that Hyun made this all on concius (im presuming the good faith)
No, HyuN paused and didn't get an admin, that's where it started. Everything afterwards was also against the rules. Also it's really unlikely HyuN sets the game time to 10 seconds before the lag started in good conscience, thereby giving himself a huge advantage through knowledge he didn't have in the original engage.
At any rate, not saying this is only on HyuN, but the whole situation is handled incorrectly and they should just have replayed the series if they are aware (DH, that is).
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On May 09 2015 08:00 KingAlphard wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:54 Alchemik wrote:On May 09 2015 07:54 Roadog wrote:On May 09 2015 07:51 Mozdk wrote:
Ehm are they just ignoring that Patience is about to die? No, also he survived On May 09 2015 07:50 KingAlphard wrote:On May 09 2015 07:48 Alchemik wrote:On May 09 2015 07:46 Ej_ wrote:
no but seriously anyone got an idea how to play ZvP on Echo? I keep it in because of cool ZvZ and ZvT, but I haven't seen a game yet where Zerg timing wouldn't be thwarted by Protoss collapsing the cooling tower until they have 1 billion forcefields. you can hit a 2 base roach timing where they shouldn't have enough sentries but aside from that, ground aggression doesn't work, so either mutas or passive tech-greed 2 base roach..... "timing" ...... You know, like a 2 base 7gate "timing" except the one I'm talking about isn't an all-in :/ What is it? 1-1 burrowed roaches off of 50 drones on 2 bases at 8:30?
nah, the timing Life did vs herO with 100 supply at 9:00 with +1 attack and roach speed and 3rd done by the time you hit
and let's just assume you can't attack on echo, I'm fine with that 
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