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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19391 Posts
May 08 2015 23:02 GMT
#2941
On May 09 2015 07:58 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2015 07:57 BisuDagger wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:55 Thrillz wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:49 TheAnarchy wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:44 Musicus wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:
[quote]
Dreamhack should disqualify HyuN for this tbh. IF it's true.

need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking

I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert.

It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen


Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied


Disagree heavily, Hyun has no right to pause a game and recover it from the point that fits him. Fantasy has also no right to recover a game, so it doesn't matter if he agrees. In any case recovering is only to be used after a disconnect or computer failure, not after a lag.

The HOTS recover game from replay feature will be used in case of a disconnect by technical failure. If for some reason it does not work, see following rule:
If either player disconnects from the game due to technical reasons and the game is heavily favoured to the extent that the game would definitely have been won by one player an administrator may rule the game in favour of said player. Should the game be too close to call, it will be replayed.


Anyway after a pause an admin has to be involved.

If a player must pause the game due to technical difficulties the player must if possible tell the opponent about this before pausing. After pausing the player must inform an administrator.
If a game is paused without a reasonable explanation such as a technical difficulty the game might result in a forfeit.


That's the rule. Hyun has to call an admin, which he did not. He instead recovered the game from a point he chose himself and the abused his knowledge to retreat instead of attacking what was what he originally did.

In no way is that "fair and straight" and Hyun should be punished and I lost a lot of respect for him. Sadly it's way too late now and everything happened without an admin. I don't think DH will do anything about this, so Fantasy is just fucked. Too bad he is too nice and Korean culture forbids him from saying anything against the older Hyun and he just went along with it.

http://open.dreamhack.se/page/2015-starcraft-ruleset/


If the other player allows it then it should be respected. There was no admin so the problem is from the tournament Hyun and Fantasy did what they thought it was right. They acted conscientiously in good faith.


You can't be serious? Why even have rules then? What if they agreed to a Best of a million? What if they agree to throw games or some other bullshit?

I gotta agree with if Fantasy understands what happened and is not complaining then we should let this go.


Getting DH to inform players and then enforce their rules would be a good thing for the future though!

Absolutely. Its one of those issues where a mistake was made, it can't be fixed, but it can be prevented in the future. I think thatis the best outcome we can get from this.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Roadog
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada1670 Posts
May 08 2015 23:02 GMT
#2942
Ninja base from Sacsri
sOs fan. Zerg just seem to have the most...potential. Dubbo Robo Colo! Why I play Protoss: Stalkers, bacon, toilets and mama -- Chelsea FC
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
May 08 2015 23:02 GMT
#2943
So, is Sacsri dead yet guys?
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 08 2015 23:03 GMT
#2944
On May 09 2015 08:02 Elentos wrote:
So, is Sacsri dead yet guys?

he's alive because Zerg can fight on this map. Just need to survive until BL
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
May 08 2015 23:03 GMT
#2945
The photon cannon spam is real
Neosteel Enthusiast
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
May 08 2015 23:03 GMT
#2946
On May 09 2015 08:02 Elentos wrote:
So, is Sacsri dead yet guys?

yes
TL+ Member
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-08 23:05:03
May 08 2015 23:04 GMT
#2947
On May 09 2015 07:57 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2015 07:55 Thrillz wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:49 TheAnarchy wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:44 Musicus wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:23 TheDwf wrote:
[quote]
Yeah, it confirms what I thought. FanTaSy got robbed.

Dreamhack should disqualify HyuN for this tbh. IF it's true.

need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking

I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert.

It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen


Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied


Disagree heavily, Hyun has no right to pause a game and recover it from the point that fits him. Fantasy has also no right to recover a game, so it doesn't matter if he agrees. In any case recovering is only to be used after a disconnect or computer failure, not after a lag.

The HOTS recover game from replay feature will be used in case of a disconnect by technical failure. If for some reason it does not work, see following rule:
If either player disconnects from the game due to technical reasons and the game is heavily favoured to the extent that the game would definitely have been won by one player an administrator may rule the game in favour of said player. Should the game be too close to call, it will be replayed.


Anyway after a pause an admin has to be involved.

If a player must pause the game due to technical difficulties the player must if possible tell the opponent about this before pausing. After pausing the player must inform an administrator.
If a game is paused without a reasonable explanation such as a technical difficulty the game might result in a forfeit.


That's the rule. Hyun has to call an admin, which he did not. He instead recovered the game from a point he chose himself and the abused his knowledge to retreat instead of attacking what was what he originally did.

In no way is that "fair and straight" and Hyun should be punished and I lost a lot of respect for him. Sadly it's way too late now and everything happened without an admin. I don't think DH will do anything about this, so Fantasy is just fucked. Too bad he is too nice and Korean culture forbids him from saying anything against the older Hyun and he just went along with it.

http://open.dreamhack.se/page/2015-starcraft-ruleset/


If the other player allows it then it should be respected. There was no admin so the problem is from the tournament Hyun and Fantasy did what they thought it was right. They acted conscientiously in good faith.


You can't be serious? Why even have rules then? What if they agreed to a Best of a million? What if they agree to throw games or some other bullshit?

I gotta agree with if Fantasy understands what happened and is not complaining then we should let this go.


Remember what happened when shit came down to the players? Like in Stephano vs Xlord? Only difference is that Fantasy is a nice guy or doesn't want to come off as a whiner. Fantasy wanted the win but didn't want to come off as a whiner. This puts him in an unfair position and it should have never came down to the players.
Rain.100
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany946 Posts
May 08 2015 23:04 GMT
#2948
doesnt really matter with the rules etc imo.
only sad that we get into this kind of situation by hyun being a selfish <random insult>.
definitely lost my respect for the end of his career, thinking like that really doesnt belong into esports if u ask me.
I have to return some videotapes. Maru and MarineLorD <3
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
May 08 2015 23:04 GMT
#2949
Protoss is kind of gross :/
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
May 08 2015 23:04 GMT
#2950
Zerg is the race where I'd say hiding a base makes the least sense so I'm not sure why Sacsri's trying that.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Fuell
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands3111 Posts
May 08 2015 23:05 GMT
#2951
i pray to the BL infestor god Sniper for sacscri to come back
fOu/Zenith/NEX/WeRRa/SlayerS
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
May 08 2015 23:05 GMT
#2952
5 stargates :D
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19391 Posts
May 08 2015 23:06 GMT
#2953
Instead of using the gameheart zoom out feature, units should just be tiny.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
May 08 2015 23:06 GMT
#2954
Immortal runbys, Sacsri's gone for good.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
May 08 2015 23:06 GMT
#2955
Immortal driveby
Neosteel Enthusiast
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-08 23:08:02
May 08 2015 23:06 GMT
#2956
On May 09 2015 08:04 Thrillz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2015 07:57 BisuDagger wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:55 Thrillz wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:49 TheAnarchy wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:44 Musicus wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:
[quote]
Dreamhack should disqualify HyuN for this tbh. IF it's true.

need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking

I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert.

It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen


Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied


Disagree heavily, Hyun has no right to pause a game and recover it from the point that fits him. Fantasy has also no right to recover a game, so it doesn't matter if he agrees. In any case recovering is only to be used after a disconnect or computer failure, not after a lag.

The HOTS recover game from replay feature will be used in case of a disconnect by technical failure. If for some reason it does not work, see following rule:
If either player disconnects from the game due to technical reasons and the game is heavily favoured to the extent that the game would definitely have been won by one player an administrator may rule the game in favour of said player. Should the game be too close to call, it will be replayed.


Anyway after a pause an admin has to be involved.

If a player must pause the game due to technical difficulties the player must if possible tell the opponent about this before pausing. After pausing the player must inform an administrator.
If a game is paused without a reasonable explanation such as a technical difficulty the game might result in a forfeit.


That's the rule. Hyun has to call an admin, which he did not. He instead recovered the game from a point he chose himself and the abused his knowledge to retreat instead of attacking what was what he originally did.

In no way is that "fair and straight" and Hyun should be punished and I lost a lot of respect for him. Sadly it's way too late now and everything happened without an admin. I don't think DH will do anything about this, so Fantasy is just fucked. Too bad he is too nice and Korean culture forbids him from saying anything against the older Hyun and he just went along with it.

http://open.dreamhack.se/page/2015-starcraft-ruleset/


If the other player allows it then it should be respected. There was no admin so the problem is from the tournament Hyun and Fantasy did what they thought it was right. They acted conscientiously in good faith.


You can't be serious? Why even have rules then? What if they agreed to a Best of a million? What if they agree to throw games or some other bullshit?

I gotta agree with if Fantasy understands what happened and is not complaining then we should let this go.


Remember what happened when shit came done to the players? Like in Stephano vs Xlord? Only difference is that Fantasy is a nice guy or doesn't want to come off as a whiner. Fantasy wanted the win but didn't want to come off as a whiner. This puts him in an unfair position and it should have never came down to the players.


lol what? Why are you talking more and more out of your ass? At any point, from the pause, to the time of recover or restart, Fantasy could have injected himself to either disagree or call for an admin. Exercise some common sense. Fantasy is a competitor. He's not in France to stick his thumb up his ass like the admins. He's playing to win
rip passion
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46502 Posts
May 08 2015 23:07 GMT
#2957
Patience is sniping eeeeeverything!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
May 08 2015 23:07 GMT
#2958
On May 09 2015 08:04 Elentos wrote:
Zerg is the race where I'd say hiding a base makes the least sense so I'm not sure why Sacsri's trying that.

it can be pretty nice to have the extra gas income if your opponent doesn't identify it and thinks you're on 6 gas. 8 gas zerg is very very very different from 6 gas zerg. i don't think it's a bad idea on a 4p map, just a moderate risk with moderate reward, and certainly not a win condition
TL+ Member
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
May 08 2015 23:08 GMT
#2959
PO attacking broodlords, what the fuck this game
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
TL+ Member
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
May 08 2015 23:08 GMT
#2960
sLivko !
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
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