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it has nothing to do with math and damage values.. as protoss every second you stay alive against a roach/hydra army while teching and producing units you are pulling ahead in the game. that is literally the entire goal of pvz against all lair tech combat units, you buy time until your composition advantage can assert itself. you're a protoss player so clearly you're aware that zone control is the one and only counter to lair tech aggression from zerg. if i max on roaches you just forcefield me until i die and if i pull back i'm wasting time and losing supply efficiency. storms are zone control just like FFs.
In game 2 this proved true Patience just sat back, zoned with forcefields and storms. He could have won that game but threw it when he made the mistake of overextending and left his immortals exposed, and backed his stalkers into a corner. had patience not pushed too hard he would have been way ahead with only aggression, not a full commitment. played right there was nothing zerg could have done once toss had storms and forcefields.
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Wonder if Patience will go for 3rd.
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On May 09 2015 07:48 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:48 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:47 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:46 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:44 Musicus wrote:On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:
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Dreamhack should disqualify HyuN for this tbh. IF it's true. need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert. It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied Disagree heavily, Hyun has no right to pause a game and recover it from the point that fits him. Fantasy has also no right to recover a game, so it doesn't matter if he agrees. In any case recovering is only to be used after a disconnect or computer failure, not after a lag. The HOTS recover game from replay feature will be used in case of a disconnect by technical failure. If for some reason it does not work, see following rule:
If either player disconnects from the game due to technical reasons and the game is heavily favoured to the extent that the game would definitely have been won by one player an administrator may rule the game in favour of said player. Should the game be too close to call, it will be replayed. Anyway after a pause an admin has to be involved. If a player must pause the game due to technical difficulties the player must if possible tell the opponent about this before pausing. After pausing the player must inform an administrator.
If a game is paused without a reasonable explanation such as a technical difficulty the game might result in a forfeit. That's the rule. Hyun has to call an admin, which he did not. He instead recoverd the game from a point he chose himself and the abused his knowledge to retreat instead of attacking what was what he originally did. In no way is that "fair and straight" and Hyun should be punished and I lost a lot of respect for him. Sadly it's way too late now and everything happened without an admin. I don't think DH will do anything about this, so Fantasy is just fucked. Too bad he is too nice and Korean culture forbids him from saying anything against the older Hyun and he just went along with it. http://open.dreamhack.se/page/2015-starcraft-ruleset/ Thanks for the clarification about rules. This is beyond stupid and I hope there will be consequences. Someone tweet Wax. The TL expert representative needs to take it into his own hands. This belongs to DH admins. It will end with a coinflip
Totally missed that. Hyun pulled a Fnatic :D
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On May 09 2015 07:44 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 TheDwf wrote:Yeah, it confirms what I thought. FanTaSy got robbed. Dreamhack should disqualify HyuN for this tbh. IF it's true. need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert. It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied Disagree heavily, Hyun has no right to pause a game and recover it from the point that fits him. Fantasy has also no right to recover a game, so it doesn't matter if he agrees. In any case recovering is only to be used after a disconnect or computer failure, not after a lag. Show nested quote +The HOTS recover game from replay feature will be used in case of a disconnect by technical failure. If for some reason it does not work, see following rule:
If either player disconnects from the game due to technical reasons and the game is heavily favoured to the extent that the game would definitely have been won by one player an administrator may rule the game in favour of said player. Should the game be too close to call, it will be replayed. Anyway after a pause an admin has to be involved. Show nested quote +If a player must pause the game due to technical difficulties the player must if possible tell the opponent about this before pausing. After pausing the player must inform an administrator.
If a game is paused without a reasonable explanation such as a technical difficulty the game might result in a forfeit. That's the rule. Hyun has to call an admin, which he did not. He instead recovered the game from a point he chose himself and the abused his knowledge to retreat instead of attacking what was what he originally did. In no way is that "fair and straight" and Hyun should be punished and I lost a lot of respect for him. Sadly it's way too late now and everything happened without an admin. I don't think DH will do anything about this, so Fantasy is just fucked. Too bad he is too nice and Korean culture forbids him from saying anything against the older Hyun and he just went along with it. http://open.dreamhack.se/page/2015-starcraft-ruleset/
If the other player allows it then it should be respected. There was no admin so the problem is from the tournament Hyun and Fantasy did what they thought it was right. They acted conscientiously in good faith.
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On May 09 2015 07:48 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:46 Ej_ wrote:
no but seriously anyone got an idea how to play ZvP on Echo? I keep it in because of cool ZvZ and ZvT, but I haven't seen a game yet where Zerg timing wouldn't be thwarted by Protoss collapsing the cooling tower until they have 1 billion forcefields. you can hit a 2 base roach timing where they shouldn't have enough sentries but aside from that, ground aggression doesn't work, so either mutas or passive tech-greed
2 base roach..... "timing" ......
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On May 09 2015 07:49 TheAnarchy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:44 Musicus wrote:On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 TheDwf wrote:Yeah, it confirms what I thought. FanTaSy got robbed. Dreamhack should disqualify HyuN for this tbh. IF it's true. need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert. It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied Disagree heavily, Hyun has no right to pause a game and recover it from the point that fits him. Fantasy has also no right to recover a game, so it doesn't matter if he agrees. In any case recovering is only to be used after a disconnect or computer failure, not after a lag. The HOTS recover game from replay feature will be used in case of a disconnect by technical failure. If for some reason it does not work, see following rule:
If either player disconnects from the game due to technical reasons and the game is heavily favoured to the extent that the game would definitely have been won by one player an administrator may rule the game in favour of said player. Should the game be too close to call, it will be replayed. Anyway after a pause an admin has to be involved. If a player must pause the game due to technical difficulties the player must if possible tell the opponent about this before pausing. After pausing the player must inform an administrator.
If a game is paused without a reasonable explanation such as a technical difficulty the game might result in a forfeit. That's the rule. Hyun has to call an admin, which he did not. He instead recovered the game from a point he chose himself and the abused his knowledge to retreat instead of attacking what was what he originally did. In no way is that "fair and straight" and Hyun should be punished and I lost a lot of respect for him. Sadly it's way too late now and everything happened without an admin. I don't think DH will do anything about this, so Fantasy is just fucked. Too bad he is too nice and Korean culture forbids him from saying anything against the older Hyun and he just went along with it. http://open.dreamhack.se/page/2015-starcraft-ruleset/ If the other player allows it then it should be respected. There was no admin so the problem is from the tournament Hyun and Fantasy did what they thought it was right. They acted conscientiously in good faith.
It was against the rules. That's the end of that.
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On May 09 2015 07:50 KingAlphard wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:48 Alchemik wrote:On May 09 2015 07:46 Ej_ wrote:
no but seriously anyone got an idea how to play ZvP on Echo? I keep it in because of cool ZvZ and ZvT, but I haven't seen a game yet where Zerg timing wouldn't be thwarted by Protoss collapsing the cooling tower until they have 1 billion forcefields. you can hit a 2 base roach timing where they shouldn't have enough sentries but aside from that, ground aggression doesn't work, so either mutas or passive tech-greed 2 base roach..... "timing" ......
hm?
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On May 09 2015 07:50 KingAlphard wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:48 Alchemik wrote:On May 09 2015 07:46 Ej_ wrote:
no but seriously anyone got an idea how to play ZvP on Echo? I keep it in because of cool ZvZ and ZvT, but I haven't seen a game yet where Zerg timing wouldn't be thwarted by Protoss collapsing the cooling tower until they have 1 billion forcefields. you can hit a 2 base roach timing where they shouldn't have enough sentries but aside from that, ground aggression doesn't work, so either mutas or passive tech-greed 2 base roach..... "timing" ......
just like a hellbat timing
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Ehm are they just ignoring that Patience is about to die?
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On May 09 2015 07:49 TheAnarchy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:44 Musicus wrote:On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 TheDwf wrote:Yeah, it confirms what I thought. FanTaSy got robbed. Dreamhack should disqualify HyuN for this tbh. IF it's true. need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert. It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied Disagree heavily, Hyun has no right to pause a game and recover it from the point that fits him. Fantasy has also no right to recover a game, so it doesn't matter if he agrees. In any case recovering is only to be used after a disconnect or computer failure, not after a lag. The HOTS recover game from replay feature will be used in case of a disconnect by technical failure. If for some reason it does not work, see following rule:
If either player disconnects from the game due to technical reasons and the game is heavily favoured to the extent that the game would definitely have been won by one player an administrator may rule the game in favour of said player. Should the game be too close to call, it will be replayed. Anyway after a pause an admin has to be involved. If a player must pause the game due to technical difficulties the player must if possible tell the opponent about this before pausing. After pausing the player must inform an administrator.
If a game is paused without a reasonable explanation such as a technical difficulty the game might result in a forfeit. That's the rule. Hyun has to call an admin, which he did not. He instead recovered the game from a point he chose himself and the abused his knowledge to retreat instead of attacking what was what he originally did. In no way is that "fair and straight" and Hyun should be punished and I lost a lot of respect for him. Sadly it's way too late now and everything happened without an admin. I don't think DH will do anything about this, so Fantasy is just fucked. Too bad he is too nice and Korean culture forbids him from saying anything against the older Hyun and he just went along with it. http://open.dreamhack.se/page/2015-starcraft-ruleset/ If the other player allows it then it should be respected. There was no admin so the problem is from the tournament Hyun and Fantasy did what they thought it was right. They acted conscientiously in good faith.
If the rules state that an admin has to be called, FanTaSy's decision to accept is irrelevant (especially as it can be abused anyway). HyuN certainly did not act in good faith, or he would have reloaded the game at 12'12 - 12'15. Lag had nothing to do with his wrong decision to commit.
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On May 09 2015 07:45 Mozdk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:44 brickrd wrote:On May 09 2015 07:42 Mozdk wrote:On May 09 2015 07:39 brickrd wrote:On May 09 2015 07:36 Mozdk wrote:On May 09 2015 07:34 brickrd wrote:On May 09 2015 07:32 Mozdk wrote:On May 09 2015 07:31 stuchiu wrote:On May 09 2015 07:24 Mozdk wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 brickrd wrote:
there's literally nothing left for zerg that actually straight up counters storm other than good positioning and like... ultras, i guess. storm is even decent against broods So zerg actually have to split now? How fucking fascinating. Depending on the army, Zerg splitting doesnt do much. Splitting roach hydra viper for instance means you're wasting time not attacking meaning the collosus stalker ball just kills you. Well vs that army it doesn't. But moving out of storms makes sense. For all races. not really? see my post, you can't just continually move back against protoss with roach hydra, the longer protoss controls space the stronger they get. the only situation where you outsplit storms with a zerg army is if they have almost nothing buffering, but that's not the case in the zvp meta, it's normally stalker/sentry/immortal/storm, and stalker/sentry/immo is already really good even without storm So moving 15 roaches out of a storm is not worth it? It's better to suck up the damage to get one more hit in? If you truely believe that, then you need to retake that math class. it has nothing to do with math and damage values.. as protoss every second you stay alive against a roach/hydra army while teching and producing units you are pulling ahead in the game. that is literally the entire goal of pvz against all lair tech combat units, you buy time until your composition advantage can assert itself. you're a protoss player so clearly you're aware that zone control is the one and only counter to lair tech aggression from zerg. if i max on roaches you just forcefield me until i die and if i pull back i'm wasting time and losing supply efficiency. storms are zone control just like FFs. Not exactly sure what you mean with zone control dude. Not really a term that's being used. Can you use another word? sorry but what is there to explain? it's basic english? a zone is an area, an area of the map. you control an area of the map by forcefielding to block movement, storms also block movement by forcing zerg units not to engage directly without taking severe damage So you are actually arguying my point in stead of your own. Thank you sir. uh... no? you are arguing that the counter to storms is to simply split, i'm telling you that "splitting" is often wasting time and giving protoss control of the engagement which gives them more time to solidify their tech to the point where your army is not effective. as i said, splitting against storms can work if it's fast templar tech and nothing else, but in the current meta that's not when storm comes out, storm is coming out behind an already very powerful blink/sentry/immortal army, so if you dodge the storms you don't just win, you still have to fight into a bunch of forcefields and upgraded units
i definitely feel your arguments are more against zerg than against me. i'm making unbiased and objective commentary on how the game works based on an extended period of pro meta and i haven't called anything OP, you're being passive-aggressive and failing to really make any analytical points other than "QQ zerg has 2 micro now lol"
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On May 09 2015 07:49 TheAnarchy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:44 Musicus wrote:On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 TheDwf wrote:Yeah, it confirms what I thought. FanTaSy got robbed. Dreamhack should disqualify HyuN for this tbh. IF it's true. need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert. It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied Disagree heavily, Hyun has no right to pause a game and recover it from the point that fits him. Fantasy has also no right to recover a game, so it doesn't matter if he agrees. In any case recovering is only to be used after a disconnect or computer failure, not after a lag. The HOTS recover game from replay feature will be used in case of a disconnect by technical failure. If for some reason it does not work, see following rule:
If either player disconnects from the game due to technical reasons and the game is heavily favoured to the extent that the game would definitely have been won by one player an administrator may rule the game in favour of said player. Should the game be too close to call, it will be replayed. Anyway after a pause an admin has to be involved. If a player must pause the game due to technical difficulties the player must if possible tell the opponent about this before pausing. After pausing the player must inform an administrator.
If a game is paused without a reasonable explanation such as a technical difficulty the game might result in a forfeit. That's the rule. Hyun has to call an admin, which he did not. He instead recovered the game from a point he chose himself and the abused his knowledge to retreat instead of attacking what was what he originally did. In no way is that "fair and straight" and Hyun should be punished and I lost a lot of respect for him. Sadly it's way too late now and everything happened without an admin. I don't think DH will do anything about this, so Fantasy is just fucked. Too bad he is too nice and Korean culture forbids him from saying anything against the older Hyun and he just went along with it. http://open.dreamhack.se/page/2015-starcraft-ruleset/ If the other player allows it then it should be respected. There was no admin so the problem is from the tournament Hyun and Fantasy did what they thought it was right. They acted conscientiously in good faith.
Doesn't matter what they decide, rules are rules. If they decide to play a bo7 is that ok? Hell let them just play a micro tournament bo3 if they both are ok with it.
Hyun had to call an admin, since he paused the game. If he did not do that, he broke the rules. That's it.
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On May 09 2015 07:51 Mozdk wrote:
Ehm are they just ignoring that Patience is about to die?
They completely missed what Sacsri was doing, yeah.
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On May 09 2015 07:51 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:49 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:44 Musicus wrote:On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 TheDwf wrote:Yeah, it confirms what I thought. FanTaSy got robbed. Dreamhack should disqualify HyuN for this tbh. IF it's true. need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert. It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied Disagree heavily, Hyun has no right to pause a game and recover it from the point that fits him. Fantasy has also no right to recover a game, so it doesn't matter if he agrees. In any case recovering is only to be used after a disconnect or computer failure, not after a lag. The HOTS recover game from replay feature will be used in case of a disconnect by technical failure. If for some reason it does not work, see following rule:
If either player disconnects from the game due to technical reasons and the game is heavily favoured to the extent that the game would definitely have been won by one player an administrator may rule the game in favour of said player. Should the game be too close to call, it will be replayed. Anyway after a pause an admin has to be involved. If a player must pause the game due to technical difficulties the player must if possible tell the opponent about this before pausing. After pausing the player must inform an administrator.
If a game is paused without a reasonable explanation such as a technical difficulty the game might result in a forfeit. That's the rule. Hyun has to call an admin, which he did not. He instead recovered the game from a point he chose himself and the abused his knowledge to retreat instead of attacking what was what he originally did. In no way is that "fair and straight" and Hyun should be punished and I lost a lot of respect for him. Sadly it's way too late now and everything happened without an admin. I don't think DH will do anything about this, so Fantasy is just fucked. Too bad he is too nice and Korean culture forbids him from saying anything against the older Hyun and he just went along with it. http://open.dreamhack.se/page/2015-starcraft-ruleset/ If the other player allows it then it should be respected. There was no admin so the problem is from the tournament Hyun and Fantasy did what they thought it was right. They acted conscientiously in good faith. If the rules state that an admin has to be called, FanTaSy's decision to accept is irrelevant (especially as it can be abused anyway). HyuN certainly did not act in good faith, or he would have reloaded the game at 12'12 - 12'15. Lag had nothing to do with his wrong decision to commit.
may or may not be poor sportsmanship by hyun but it would mainly be dreamhacks fuckup for not controlling their tournament tbh
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meh admins were too busy on harstem vs snute
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On May 09 2015 07:51 Mozdk wrote:
Ehm are they just ignoring that Patience is about to die?
No, also he survived
On May 09 2015 07:50 KingAlphard wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:48 Alchemik wrote:On May 09 2015 07:46 Ej_ wrote:
no but seriously anyone got an idea how to play ZvP on Echo? I keep it in because of cool ZvZ and ZvT, but I haven't seen a game yet where Zerg timing wouldn't be thwarted by Protoss collapsing the cooling tower until they have 1 billion forcefields. you can hit a 2 base roach timing where they shouldn't have enough sentries but aside from that, ground aggression doesn't work, so either mutas or passive tech-greed 2 base roach..... "timing" ......
You know, like a 2 base 7gate "timing"
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If Patience can get a sixth nexus he's got this.
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On May 09 2015 07:54 Roadog wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:51 Mozdk wrote:
Ehm are they just ignoring that Patience is about to die? No, also he survived Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:50 KingAlphard wrote:On May 09 2015 07:48 Alchemik wrote:On May 09 2015 07:46 Ej_ wrote:
no but seriously anyone got an idea how to play ZvP on Echo? I keep it in because of cool ZvZ and ZvT, but I haven't seen a game yet where Zerg timing wouldn't be thwarted by Protoss collapsing the cooling tower until they have 1 billion forcefields. you can hit a 2 base roach timing where they shouldn't have enough sentries but aside from that, ground aggression doesn't work, so either mutas or passive tech-greed 2 base roach..... "timing" ...... You know, like a 2 base 7gate "timing"
except the one I'm talking about isn't an all-in :/
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On May 09 2015 07:53 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:51 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:49 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:44 Musicus wrote:On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 TheDwf wrote:
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Yeah, it confirms what I thought. FanTaSy got robbed. Dreamhack should disqualify HyuN for this tbh. IF it's true. need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert. It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied Disagree heavily, Hyun has no right to pause a game and recover it from the point that fits him. Fantasy has also no right to recover a game, so it doesn't matter if he agrees. In any case recovering is only to be used after a disconnect or computer failure, not after a lag. The HOTS recover game from replay feature will be used in case of a disconnect by technical failure. If for some reason it does not work, see following rule:
If either player disconnects from the game due to technical reasons and the game is heavily favoured to the extent that the game would definitely have been won by one player an administrator may rule the game in favour of said player. Should the game be too close to call, it will be replayed. Anyway after a pause an admin has to be involved. If a player must pause the game due to technical difficulties the player must if possible tell the opponent about this before pausing. After pausing the player must inform an administrator.
If a game is paused without a reasonable explanation such as a technical difficulty the game might result in a forfeit. That's the rule. Hyun has to call an admin, which he did not. He instead recovered the game from a point he chose himself and the abused his knowledge to retreat instead of attacking what was what he originally did. In no way is that "fair and straight" and Hyun should be punished and I lost a lot of respect for him. Sadly it's way too late now and everything happened without an admin. I don't think DH will do anything about this, so Fantasy is just fucked. Too bad he is too nice and Korean culture forbids him from saying anything against the older Hyun and he just went along with it. http://open.dreamhack.se/page/2015-starcraft-ruleset/ If the other player allows it then it should be respected. There was no admin so the problem is from the tournament Hyun and Fantasy did what they thought it was right. They acted conscientiously in good faith. If the rules state that an admin has to be called, FanTaSy's decision to accept is irrelevant (especially as it can be abused anyway). HyuN certainly did not act in good faith, or he would have reloaded the game at 12'12 - 12'15. Lag had nothing to do with his wrong decision to commit. may or may not be poor sportsmanship by hyun but it would mainly be dreamhacks fuckup for not controlling their tournament tbh
That doesn't warrant exploiting the situation.
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On May 09 2015 07:51 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 07:49 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:44 Musicus wrote:On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:On May 09 2015 07:23 TheDwf wrote:Yeah, it confirms what I thought. FanTaSy got robbed. Dreamhack should disqualify HyuN for this tbh. IF it's true. need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert. It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied Disagree heavily, Hyun has no right to pause a game and recover it from the point that fits him. Fantasy has also no right to recover a game, so it doesn't matter if he agrees. In any case recovering is only to be used after a disconnect or computer failure, not after a lag. The HOTS recover game from replay feature will be used in case of a disconnect by technical failure. If for some reason it does not work, see following rule:
If either player disconnects from the game due to technical reasons and the game is heavily favoured to the extent that the game would definitely have been won by one player an administrator may rule the game in favour of said player. Should the game be too close to call, it will be replayed. Anyway after a pause an admin has to be involved. If a player must pause the game due to technical difficulties the player must if possible tell the opponent about this before pausing. After pausing the player must inform an administrator.
If a game is paused without a reasonable explanation such as a technical difficulty the game might result in a forfeit. That's the rule. Hyun has to call an admin, which he did not. He instead recovered the game from a point he chose himself and the abused his knowledge to retreat instead of attacking what was what he originally did. In no way is that "fair and straight" and Hyun should be punished and I lost a lot of respect for him. Sadly it's way too late now and everything happened without an admin. I don't think DH will do anything about this, so Fantasy is just fucked. Too bad he is too nice and Korean culture forbids him from saying anything against the older Hyun and he just went along with it. http://open.dreamhack.se/page/2015-starcraft-ruleset/ If the other player allows it then it should be respected. There was no admin so the problem is from the tournament Hyun and Fantasy did what they thought it was right. They acted conscientiously in good faith. It was against the rules. That's the end of that.
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Complaints
If a player wants to make a complaint about a game result, the player has to tell theadministrator assigned to the match immediately following the game.
Did Fantasy made a complaint after the game? No he didnt so thats the end of that
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