Discussion of Naniwa's mental health (unless you know him personally or you email me your phd diploma) after page 96 will be dealt with severely. I suggest you talk about the games instead.
On January 10 2015 11:04 TheNewEra wrote: so I didn't watch the games between Happy and Nani but basically the TL;DR seems to be: Nani was in his right but a complete douche about it, right?
Pretty much just like with the Rifkin incident actually
oh my, give me a break...
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so many of you guys are overreacting. saying SC2 can't be professional as long as we have dramas like this is ridiculous. does anyone of you follow "real" sports? totally no drama there, right? totally no football players behaving unprofessionally and being suspended, right?
it's the personalities that polarize, personalities that are a little off the norm that make the whole scene revolving the game interesting. call me immature, but i like people showing sparks of emotion, be it in a positive or negative way. this does not mean that i have to condone certain actions - in fact, naniwa's behavior at IEM pissed me off. yet, i am still happy that he is back.
players are free to direct complaints towards tournament organizers regarding naniwa's behavior. if they see fit to suspend people like him, then that's fine. still, i would rather have them not take action - it's for the better of the whole community. don't take everything all so persoanlly...
On January 10 2015 16:22 Lonyo wrote: Naniwa has never (afaik) bitten anyone, so he's better than Suarez or Tyson. Not kicked anyone like Cantona. Balotelli makes lots of drama too.
he probe rushed and showed lack of respect for koreans/ is bm from to time on the interwebz.
Just fou d out about this. Km realy happy naniwa made it. Yeah he can BM and create drama, but the kind of drama he creates is actually good for the game, it draws attention, feelings, it creates storylines and rivalry.
On top of that he's the best foreigner alongisde stephano in the history of sc2 and it looks he's still pretty good, I'm glad for him.
On January 10 2015 14:57 Pandain wrote: Naniwa's PvT looked like the best in Europe. It's been a while since I've seen someone take a PvT game like vs Happy game one.
My favorite thing is for the brief minute when it looked like he might have a stable 4-5 base income and be maxed, he started making Stargate tech.
But he didn't stick to it after they traded armies and he then continued to focus on stalker collusus.
I noticed that too. Was asking myself first why he made the stargate and then no units from it, then I smiled as I realized it takes a good player to make a decision like that. There was no need to change a winning tactic, even if he'd spent some money on the new tech.
On January 10 2015 19:03 OtherWorld wrote: What happened with Naniwa? What's the incident with Happy?
Happy held Naniwa's push in game 2 by building like 3 bunkers. Apparently a few extra sentries and an early nexus cannon it's all the info he had (idk how important that is), so naniwa accused him of streamcheating from the russian stream, since they were streaming with no delay( or pretty low delay).
All casters were kicked from game 3 besides basetradeTV I guess because they are trustworthy and have a long delay.
Shitstorm was brewing, and then game 3 ended and nani/happy headed to twitter it was pretty intense.
On January 10 2015 14:57 Pandain wrote: Naniwa's PvT looked like the best in Europe. It's been a while since I've seen someone take a PvT game like vs Happy game one.
My favorite thing is for the brief minute when it looked like he might have a stable 4-5 base income and be maxed, he started making Stargate tech.
But he didn't stick to it after they traded armies and he then continued to focus on stalker collusus.
I noticed that too. Was asking myself first why he made the stargate and then no units from it, then I smiled as I realized it takes a good player to make a decision like that. There was no need to change a winning tactic, even if he'd spent some money on the new tech.
On January 10 2015 19:03 OtherWorld wrote: What happened with Naniwa? What's the incident with Happy?
Happy held Naniwa's push in game 2 by building like 3 bunkers. Apparently a few extra sentries and an early nexus cannon it's all the info he had (idk how important that is), so naniwa accused him of streamcheating from the russian stream, since they were streaming with no delay( or pretty low delay).
All casters were kicked from game 3 besides basetradeTV I guess because they are trustworthy and have a long delay.
Shitstorm was brewing, and then game 3 ended and nani/happy headed to twitter it was pretty intense.
Oh ok, thanks. Looking at the twitters I must say it's pretty entertaining.
I don't see what the fuss is about. Fact is the RUS stream had not enough delay. And it is valid for nani to think of the possibility of stream-cheating after Happy had the perfect defense without any tell and therefore demand for safer game conditions. Why is that a "drama"? If anything you guys should blame the rus streamer for unprofessional behaviour.
I think the Nani's push in game 2 was incredibly strong and without 3 bunkers, there is no way to hold that. His positioning + uni composition + micro where over the top.
On January 10 2015 19:55 Johnnyq wrote: I don't see what the fuss is about. Fact is the RUS stream had not enough delay. And it is valid for nani to think of the possibility of stream-cheating after Happy had the perfect defense without any tell and therefore demand for safer game conditions. Why is that a "drama"? If anything you guys should blame the rus streamer for unprofessional behaviour.
It's not without any tell. He saw that the only units naniwa had were 2 sentries. When you play normally , usually at that timing you have 1 sentry and 1 stalker, you don't need 2 sentries especially in nimbus where you can block the whole ramp with 1 forcefield. Also if Happy was stream cheating, he wouldn't be totally unprepared for naniwa's DT drop (which still did 0 damage because he chose to warp only 1 dt, but happy couldn't know that beforehand).
It's valid to "think" about it. It's not valid to ragequit and publicly accuse your opponent on stream without any proof. A normal person would have politely asked the admin to check that every stream had delay and that's it. In that case there wouldn't have been any drama at all.
If Naniwa qualifying builds a fuck ton of hype for the tournament and people are in the LR slaughtering cattle and burning images of his enemies, then I will be really happy he qualified
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