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Discussion of Naniwa's mental health (unless you know him personally or you email me your phd diploma) after page 96 will be dealt with severely. I suggest you talk about the games instead.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28524 Posts
January 10 2015 01:41 GMT
#1881
On January 10 2015 10:39 NeV wrote:
I've just got here, so this is basically what happened? Am I missing something?

[image loading]

Hmm. That's pretty accurate actually
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Uncultured
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1340 Posts
January 10 2015 01:44 GMT
#1882
Damn you guys are just fucking starving for drama aren't you. Heh. Haven't seen this much argument about BM since Idra left.

It's pretty obvious Naniwa brings the attention this game needs. More power to him. Hope to see him crush more hopes on his way to the finals.
Don't you rage when you lose too? -FruitDealer
Homunculus159
Profile Joined December 2014
Austria220 Posts
January 10 2015 01:50 GMT
#1883
On January 10 2015 10:39 NeV wrote:
I've just got here, so this is basically what happened? Am I missing something?

[image loading]



Awesome :D
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
January 10 2015 02:04 GMT
#1884
so I didn't watch the games between Happy and Nani but basically the TL;DR seems to be: Nani was in his right but a complete douche about it, right?
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
January 10 2015 02:07 GMT
#1885
On January 10 2015 10:07 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2015 10:04 Homunculus159 wrote:
On January 10 2015 10:03 Nebuchad wrote:
On January 10 2015 10:02 Homunculus159 wrote:
On January 10 2015 09:57 Nebuchad wrote:
On January 10 2015 09:55 Homunculus159 wrote:
On January 10 2015 09:49 Muffloe wrote:
On January 10 2015 09:47 Homunculus159 wrote:
Funny how Nani supporters do not get why he gets the hate he receives. He provokes 99% of it. If you like Nani and support him do it. But dont defend him because most of the time he is the one that starts the problem. Just makes you look silly. The shit he spouts isnt defendable. He played some good games though. And yeah he was laddering a lot and is top gm

Blablabla I say, I didn't like Kas "raping some girl", and I will of course be triggered when someone straight up calls Naniwa a piece of shit.



But what exactly are you defending? His toxic commets? The bs he spouts and all the false accusations?

Its sad because he is so talented. I said i am happy to see him being back in tournamets because talentwise he is agreat addition to the european scene. I am gonna stay with this and wait. Maybe he stops being a little kid for once.

Like i said its a no brainer for me how one can defend the way he acts because he is actually behaving like a piece of...


Is it really that hard to imagine that some people don't like player bashing?




No i am just saying there is a reason nani is being bashed. Like its really hard to defend someone from bashing when that same person is bm to almost everyone and writes insulting tweets. No surprise lots of people dislike him and that other pros bash him too.



So? There's always a reason behind player bashing. I'm not comfortable deciding who has good reasons and who doesn't.




*sigh*

I guess we should leave it at that since this is going nowhere


I disagree.

Look, Happy said in an interview that terran players are so much better than the other races that in a balanced game they would win everytime, so Blizzard can't make the game really balanced. Is it ok to player bash him because of that? Cause that certainly makes me dislike him. Should I be allowed to write a variant of that post 20 times every time he plays? If we put Naniwa behind a line, who draws the line?

I agree with you here. If we would be in 2011, the last few sites would have been full of temp-bans. Heavily critizising players based on actual events is one thing, but that usually shouldn't include "piece of shit" or "autism".

I want to make sure, noone misunderstands my following rant: I do not support Naniwas accusations against Happy and I think he those were unneccesary. I'll still support him as a fan in the future, but I'll not be part of a discussion about this particular incident. However, regardless of the Happy-incident, I think that Naniwa in general is getting to much hate for everything he does, which would gain noone else the same amout (just take a look at the example from earlier today: Harstem doesn't want to get casted: totally fine [which it is]; Naniwa does the same: 3-page-shitstorm [although it should also be totally fine]). I can understand, why some people might dislike Naniwa and, while I do not share those feelings, I can also tolerate, why they would voice them. And that as well should be their rights here as forum users. However, having a dislike towards a player does not give anyone the right to throw shit at him for no reason at all or post totally worthless one-liners, who are lacking any content.

So, to come to my main point: This is not the twitch chat of a 10k viewer stream. This is not the ingame-chat of a lost LoL-game in soloQ. We are on TL here and for years we held ourselves to a higher standart than other places and for years this site and this community were acclaimed for being an island of civilization in the otherwise barbaric internet. So could we please just stop the madness and studidity, that gets brought here every time, when something happens, we do not 100% agree with? Could we please begin to behave like adults again, even if stuff happens, that makes us salty? And I don't mean to completely stop to complain, but just stop to write random bullshit, that is not worthy of being on TL.
Rean
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands808 Posts
January 10 2015 02:10 GMT
#1886
On January 10 2015 11:04 TheNewEra wrote:
so I didn't watch the games between Happy and Nani but basically the TL;DR seems to be: Nani was in his right but a complete douche about it, right?


Pretty much. He wanted all streamers gone because he heard some didn't have any/not enough delay. By WCS rules he's allowed to do this, but Basetrade was allowed to stay (likely because they have a large delay).
Homunculus159
Profile Joined December 2014
Austria220 Posts
January 10 2015 02:12 GMT
#1887
On January 10 2015 11:04 TheNewEra wrote:
so I didn't watch the games between Happy and Nani but basically the TL;DR seems to be: Nani was in his right but a complete douche about it, right?



Pretty much just like with the Rifkin incident actually
Gothic
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden122 Posts
January 10 2015 02:14 GMT
#1888
On January 10 2015 11:12 Homunculus159 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2015 11:04 TheNewEra wrote:
so I didn't watch the games between Happy and Nani but basically the TL;DR seems to be: Nani was in his right but a complete douche about it, right?



Pretty much just like with the Rifkin incident actually


Rifkin incident?
In the age of the internet, attaching a famous name to your personal opinion to give more weight to it is a very valid strategy. - Benjamin Franklin
Legio
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden235 Posts
January 10 2015 02:18 GMT
#1889
Happy had a very easy hold in game 1 against the blink stalker opening, was the Russian stream running on 0 delay in game one as well?
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
January 10 2015 02:23 GMT
#1890
HAHAH NANIWA QUALIFIED?

Today is awesome.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
messioso
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark635 Posts
January 10 2015 02:26 GMT
#1891
That was a fun evening.
Former ESL League Operations. I ran IEM/WCS for like 3 years or something. I did map vetos on a tablet. That guy.
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
January 10 2015 02:27 GMT
#1892
On January 10 2015 11:04 TheNewEra wrote:
so I didn't watch the games between Happy and Nani but basically the TL;DR seems to be: Nani was in his right but a complete douche about it, right?


He went as far as calling out Happy for streamcheating.
That's more than being douchy in my eyes.

Nani was right when he complained about the Russian stream having no delay.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-10 02:30:18
January 10 2015 02:28 GMT
#1893
When a stream has no delay, the player cheated. I don't think anyone could imagine a different circumstance. Anyone to say otherwise doesn't realize what a career boost or breaker qualifying for WCS is.

edit: not just career. It's their livelihood. Many of these kids have basically nothing else going for them. This is how they either determine years were wasted or finally put to use.
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
January 10 2015 02:32 GMT
#1894
On January 10 2015 11:28 Mohdoo wrote:
When a stream has no delay, the player cheated. I don't think anyone could imagine a different circumstance. Anyone to say otherwise doesn't realize what a career boost or breaker qualifying for WCS is.

edit: not just career. It's their livelihood. Many of these kids have basically nothing else going for them. This is how they either determine years were wasted or finally put to use.


I obviously don't know whether he did or not, but with that logic it's not a big step to say "if a player is aware of an undetected hack being available, he was hacking."
Legio
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden235 Posts
January 10 2015 02:35 GMT
#1895
On January 10 2015 11:26 messioso wrote:
That was a fun evening.


Messioso going to need a vacation and some blood pressure medicine after this evening :D
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28524 Posts
January 10 2015 02:39 GMT
#1896
On January 10 2015 11:26 messioso wrote:
That was a fun evening.

Agree
I Protoss winner, could it be?
SHODAN
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1153 Posts
January 10 2015 02:41 GMT
#1897
I can see the dilemma that exists here and it is about how the community can support a player with autistic spectrum disorder. It might be helpful if we just left Naniwa to his own devices - but no. we have to shitpost about him being mentally ill. autism isn't a mental illness. it's the reason why Naniwa excels at sc2. it's also the reason why Naniwa sucks so hard at having a "nice" personality. the only way around this is to accept him for who he is - a brilliant player who has severe communication difficulties.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28524 Posts
January 10 2015 02:48 GMT
#1898
On January 10 2015 11:41 SHODAN wrote:
I can see the dilemma that exists here and it is about how the community can support a player with autistic spectrum disorder. It might be helpful if we just left Naniwa to his own devices - but no. we have to shitpost about him being mentally ill. autism isn't a mental illness. it's the reason why Naniwa excels at sc2. it's also the reason why Naniwa sucks so hard at having a "nice" personality. the only way around this is to accept him for who he is - a brilliant player who has severe communication difficulties.

Oh come on. I know 2 people with classic autistic disorders and they're not acting like NaNiwa at all. That doesn't mean that he doesn't have the disorder but being an ass has nothing to do with it. Please.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
January 10 2015 02:50 GMT
#1899
I think I already know Nani's theme song...

There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
Apoteosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile820 Posts
January 10 2015 02:57 GMT
#1900
Happy can't deal with pressure, that's why he tilted. He should be working on his mental attitude, otherwise he'll never get a good run in a LAN Event (unlike Naniwa).





Life won like 200k and didn't hire a proper criminal lawyer.
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