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On January 10 2015 09:48 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 09:43 NovemberstOrm wrote:On January 10 2015 09:35 boxerfred wrote:
no wcs for me until naniwa is removed. simply not turning in to a tournament that supports such a behaviour. and happy's tweet makes him any better? neither better or worse, it's a completely different kind of tweet that is in no way comparable to blaming a loss on ghosting and cheating, forcing tournament organizers to give an advantage to one stream while forcing other casters to not cast a game with a huge number of viewers. Happy's tweet simply was a clear "fuck this I lost I'm pissed". oh, prolonging the game was no problem for happy at all, I'm sure! He likes waiting and discussing a lot, of course, as anyone else does. Also, contrary to Happy, Naniwa has a certain history of potentially hostile tweets, comments, interviews, and you might even have heard about some other examples of really aggressive behaviour that might be linked to naniwa somehow. Maybe you missed it, but that guy is a douche.
I mean, surely you can also justify naniwa with "fuck I lost I'm pissed", can't you?
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On January 10 2015 09:54 Epamynondas wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 09:48 boxerfred wrote:On January 10 2015 09:43 NovemberstOrm wrote:On January 10 2015 09:35 boxerfred wrote:
no wcs for me until naniwa is removed. simply not turning in to a tournament that supports such a behaviour. and happy's tweet makes him any better? neither better or worse, it's a completely different kind of tweet that is in no way comparable to blaming a loss on ghosting and cheating, forcing tournament organizers to give an advantage to one stream while forcing other casters to not cast a game with a huge number of viewers. Happy's tweet simply was a clear "fuck this I lost I'm pissed". oh, prolonging the game was no problem for happy at all, I'm sure! He likes waiting and discussing a lot, of course, as anyone else does. Also, contrary to Happy, Naniwa has a certain history of potentially hostile tweets, comments, interviews, and you might even have heard about some other examples of really aggressive behaviour that might be linked to naniwa somehow. Maybe you missed it, but that guy is a douche. I mean, surely you can also justify naniwa with "fuck I lost I'm pissed", can't you?
Except he won. >.<
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Look a lot of people dislike Naniwa because of what he did at IEM and I don't blame them. I gave up defending him after that, it was disgustingly unprofessional behavior.
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On January 10 2015 09:52 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 09:51 boxerfred wrote:On January 10 2015 09:50 FeyFey wrote:On January 10 2015 09:39 SharkStarcraft wrote:On January 10 2015 09:34 BlackCompany wrote:On January 10 2015 09:31 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On January 10 2015 09:30 BlackCompany wrote:On January 10 2015 09:30 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
This will save SC2. Already the LR is on fire ahaha I'm curious, how will this save SC2? More viewers more people talking about it -> more sponsor money Player behaving like an ass -> people dont like him -> people dont tune in This works both ways, i wouldnt be too sure about this bringing in more viewers.. besides, almost all the people that know and care about Naniwa qualified would watch anyway It doesnt work like that. people do tune in for the drama and the bm players. idra was quite simlar to naniwa in that he was a great player with a not so great attitude and people went crazy for him as well, idra games had some of the best quotes ever and so do naniwa games as you can clearly see by how nuts this lr and stream have gone. I understand if or that you dislike naniwa heavily, but his personality certainly isnt bad for sc2 as a whole imo. Idra might have been a pool for drama. But he was mostly professional. Naniwa got worse and worse and lost all professionalism Imo. People that need this sort of low level drama make up stuff themself just as well, so Naniwa isn't really needed. I don't care to much, since I won't see much of his BMing anyway as a viewer. But I will just feel bad for the players he took out after he goes super emo again. It is not like he has a chance when everyone in the tournament will help each other against him anyway. at some point, idra sooner or later admitted that most of his trash talk came out of his bad mindset. naniwa is not even admitting that. That is because Idra doesn't have autism.
Sigh, why? 
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On January 10 2015 09:54 Epamynondas wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 09:48 boxerfred wrote:On January 10 2015 09:43 NovemberstOrm wrote:On January 10 2015 09:35 boxerfred wrote:
no wcs for me until naniwa is removed. simply not turning in to a tournament that supports such a behaviour. and happy's tweet makes him any better? neither better or worse, it's a completely different kind of tweet that is in no way comparable to blaming a loss on ghosting and cheating, forcing tournament organizers to give an advantage to one stream while forcing other casters to not cast a game with a huge number of viewers. Happy's tweet simply was a clear "fuck this I lost I'm pissed". oh, prolonging the game was no problem for happy at all, I'm sure! He likes waiting and discussing a lot, of course, as anyone else does. Also, contrary to Happy, Naniwa has a certain history of potentially hostile tweets, comments, interviews, and you might even have heard about some other examples of really aggressive behaviour that might be linked to naniwa somehow. Maybe you missed it, but that guy is a douche. I mean, surely you can also justify naniwa with "fuck I lost I'm pissed", can't you?
No. Blaming the opponent and implying abusive and illegal behaviour is a clear difference in my eyes to "lol that race".
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On January 10 2015 09:54 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 09:52 Ramiz1989 wrote:On January 10 2015 09:51 boxerfred wrote:On January 10 2015 09:50 FeyFey wrote:On January 10 2015 09:39 SharkStarcraft wrote:On January 10 2015 09:34 BlackCompany wrote:On January 10 2015 09:31 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On January 10 2015 09:30 BlackCompany wrote:On January 10 2015 09:30 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
This will save SC2. Already the LR is on fire ahaha I'm curious, how will this save SC2? More viewers more people talking about it -> more sponsor money Player behaving like an ass -> people dont like him -> people dont tune in This works both ways, i wouldnt be too sure about this bringing in more viewers.. besides, almost all the people that know and care about Naniwa qualified would watch anyway It doesnt work like that. people do tune in for the drama and the bm players. idra was quite simlar to naniwa in that he was a great player with a not so great attitude and people went crazy for him as well, idra games had some of the best quotes ever and so do naniwa games as you can clearly see by how nuts this lr and stream have gone. I understand if or that you dislike naniwa heavily, but his personality certainly isnt bad for sc2 as a whole imo. Idra might have been a pool for drama. But he was mostly professional. Naniwa got worse and worse and lost all professionalism Imo. People that need this sort of low level drama make up stuff themself just as well, so Naniwa isn't really needed. I don't care to much, since I won't see much of his BMing anyway as a viewer. But I will just feel bad for the players he took out after he goes super emo again. It is not like he has a chance when everyone in the tournament will help each other against him anyway. at some point, idra sooner or later admitted that most of his trash talk came out of his bad mindset. naniwa is not even admitting that. That is because Idra doesn't have autism. somehow most autists I know (and I do know some due to my sister working with people suffering under autism) manage to not insult pretty much everyone and everything
We even have a prime example from one of the best SSBM players in the world who even has a bad mindset sometimes but never takes it out on his opponents or the tournament
edit: For the record, I have no idea if Nani has Asperger's/autism/any other mental condition and I'm certainly not claiming that he does. Just pointing out that you can have those things and be in esports and be really good and still be a nice guy ^^
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On January 10 2015 09:49 Muffloe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 09:47 Homunculus159 wrote:
Funny how Nani supporters do not get why he gets the hate he receives. He provokes 99% of it. If you like Nani and support him do it. But dont defend him because most of the time he is the one that starts the problem. Just makes you look silly. The shit he spouts isnt defendable. He played some good games though. And yeah he was laddering a lot and is top gm Blablabla I say, I didn't like Kas "raping some girl", and I will of course be triggered when someone straight up calls Naniwa a piece of shit.
But what exactly are you defending? His toxic commets? The bs he spouts and all the false accusations?
Its sad because he is so talented. I said i am happy to see him being back in tournamets because talentwise he is agreat addition to the european scene. I am gonna stay with this and wait. Maybe he stops being a little kid for once.
Like i said its a no brainer for me how one can defend the way he acts because he is actually behaving like a piece of...
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On January 10 2015 09:54 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 09:52 Ramiz1989 wrote:On January 10 2015 09:51 boxerfred wrote:On January 10 2015 09:50 FeyFey wrote:On January 10 2015 09:39 SharkStarcraft wrote:On January 10 2015 09:34 BlackCompany wrote:On January 10 2015 09:31 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On January 10 2015 09:30 BlackCompany wrote:On January 10 2015 09:30 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
This will save SC2. Already the LR is on fire ahaha I'm curious, how will this save SC2? More viewers more people talking about it -> more sponsor money Player behaving like an ass -> people dont like him -> people dont tune in This works both ways, i wouldnt be too sure about this bringing in more viewers.. besides, almost all the people that know and care about Naniwa qualified would watch anyway It doesnt work like that. people do tune in for the drama and the bm players. idra was quite simlar to naniwa in that he was a great player with a not so great attitude and people went crazy for him as well, idra games had some of the best quotes ever and so do naniwa games as you can clearly see by how nuts this lr and stream have gone. I understand if or that you dislike naniwa heavily, but his personality certainly isnt bad for sc2 as a whole imo. Idra might have been a pool for drama. But he was mostly professional. Naniwa got worse and worse and lost all professionalism Imo. People that need this sort of low level drama make up stuff themself just as well, so Naniwa isn't really needed. I don't care to much, since I won't see much of his BMing anyway as a viewer. But I will just feel bad for the players he took out after he goes super emo again. It is not like he has a chance when everyone in the tournament will help each other against him anyway. at some point, idra sooner or later admitted that most of his trash talk came out of his bad mindset. naniwa is not even admitting that. That is because Idra doesn't have autism. somehow most autists I know (and I do know some due to my sister working with people suffering under autism) manage to not insult pretty much everyone and everything
same here
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On January 10 2015 09:39 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 09:38 Phredxor wrote:On January 10 2015 09:38 Darkhorse wrote:Now Polt must come take the trash out of WCS + Show Spoiler + Polt has to qualify first.  If Naniwa can get in I believe anyone can
The salt is real.
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On January 10 2015 09:48 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 09:43 NovemberstOrm wrote:On January 10 2015 09:35 boxerfred wrote:
no wcs for me until naniwa is removed. simply not turning in to a tournament that supports such a behaviour. and happy's tweet makes him any better? neither better or worse, it's a completely different kind of tweet that is in no way comparable to blaming a loss on ghosting and cheating, forcing tournament organizers to give an advantage to one stream while forcing other casters to not cast a game with a huge number of viewers. Happy's tweet simply was a clear "fuck this I lost I'm pissed". oh, prolonging the game was no problem for happy at all, I'm sure! He likes waiting and discussing a lot, of course, as anyone else does. Also, contrary to Happy, Naniwa has a certain history of potentially hostile tweets, comments, interviews, and you might even have heard about some other examples of really aggressive behaviour that might be linked to naniwa somehow. Maybe you missed it, but that guy is a douche.
While I certainly believe Happy was not ghosting or anything else, let's face the fact that, IF the russian stream delay was not correctly set, then there IS a potential risk of ghosting, even more coming from a Russian player (no source, don't ask for it xD).
Which mean: you want to avoid drama; be rock solid with your organization and rules. Otherwise, don't blame the player, blame yourself.
Also I believe that most people cheering for Nani do it for his skills, not his bm. I must admit I'm glad he is back cause I still believe he is the only foreigner hope. And while he (can be) is a huge retard, I can't see him being anything else than a good thing for SC2.
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On January 10 2015 09:55 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Look a lot of people dislike Naniwa because of what he did at IEM and I don't blame them. I gave up defending him after that, it was disgustingly unprofessional behavior.
Hey TB; How you're doing?
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On January 10 2015 09:55 Homunculus159 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 09:49 Muffloe wrote:On January 10 2015 09:47 Homunculus159 wrote:
Funny how Nani supporters do not get why he gets the hate he receives. He provokes 99% of it. If you like Nani and support him do it. But dont defend him because most of the time he is the one that starts the problem. Just makes you look silly. The shit he spouts isnt defendable. He played some good games though. And yeah he was laddering a lot and is top gm Blablabla I say, I didn't like Kas "raping some girl", and I will of course be triggered when someone straight up calls Naniwa a piece of shit. But what exactly are you defending? His toxic commets? The bs he spouts and all the false accusations? Its sad because he is so talented. I said i am happy to see him being back in tournamets because talentwise he is agreat addition to the european scene. I am gonna stay with this and wait. Maybe he stops being a little kid for once. Like i said its a no brainer for me how one can defend the way he acts because he is actually behaving like a piece of...
Is it really that hard to imagine that some people don't like player bashing?
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I stand with it. No wcs for me as long as naniwa is in that. ESL was and is a great organization but poor Messioso did not do well tonight imo. gnite, everyone.
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On January 10 2015 09:55 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 09:52 Ramiz1989 wrote:On January 10 2015 09:51 boxerfred wrote:On January 10 2015 09:50 FeyFey wrote:On January 10 2015 09:39 SharkStarcraft wrote:On January 10 2015 09:34 BlackCompany wrote:On January 10 2015 09:31 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On January 10 2015 09:30 BlackCompany wrote:On January 10 2015 09:30 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
This will save SC2. Already the LR is on fire ahaha I'm curious, how will this save SC2? More viewers more people talking about it -> more sponsor money Player behaving like an ass -> people dont like him -> people dont tune in This works both ways, i wouldnt be too sure about this bringing in more viewers.. besides, almost all the people that know and care about Naniwa qualified would watch anyway It doesnt work like that. people do tune in for the drama and the bm players. idra was quite simlar to naniwa in that he was a great player with a not so great attitude and people went crazy for him as well, idra games had some of the best quotes ever and so do naniwa games as you can clearly see by how nuts this lr and stream have gone. I understand if or that you dislike naniwa heavily, but his personality certainly isnt bad for sc2 as a whole imo. Idra might have been a pool for drama. But he was mostly professional. Naniwa got worse and worse and lost all professionalism Imo. People that need this sort of low level drama make up stuff themself just as well, so Naniwa isn't really needed. I don't care to much, since I won't see much of his BMing anyway as a viewer. But I will just feel bad for the players he took out after he goes super emo again. It is not like he has a chance when everyone in the tournament will help each other against him anyway. at some point, idra sooner or later admitted that most of his trash talk came out of his bad mindset. naniwa is not even admitting that. That is because Idra doesn't have autism. Sigh, why?
It is not like that I am flaming a guy(even though I don't like Naniwa much...), but if you don't realize this from Naniwa's way of talking and his behavior and relationship with other players then I don't really know what to tell you.
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It's time for punishments from tournament organizers to deal with this bad manners. People are demanding eSports to become professional and yet he has supporters? That doesn't make sense at all.
Naniwa could be the most hyped foreigner in the history of SC2 if he would just be mannered. But he constantly shows that something is wrong with his character. He should really look for professional help.
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On January 10 2015 09:50 Faefae wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 09:49 Cheerio wrote:On January 10 2015 09:37 Epamynondas wrote:
nani asking to get... rekt oh, Kas... you've been promising to rape someone recently, remember how you had to eat your words?
thats some dumb logic right there: if there is nothing wrong with saying "rekt" then why was he hiding it behind r***?
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On January 10 2015 09:57 boxerfred wrote:
I stand with it. No wcs for me as long as naniwa is in that. ESL was and is a great organization but poor Messioso did not do well tonight imo. gnite, everyone.
Gnite, but I'm not agreeing
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On January 10 2015 09:57 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 09:55 Homunculus159 wrote:On January 10 2015 09:49 Muffloe wrote:On January 10 2015 09:47 Homunculus159 wrote:
Funny how Nani supporters do not get why he gets the hate he receives. He provokes 99% of it. If you like Nani and support him do it. But dont defend him because most of the time he is the one that starts the problem. Just makes you look silly. The shit he spouts isnt defendable. He played some good games though. And yeah he was laddering a lot and is top gm Blablabla I say, I didn't like Kas "raping some girl", and I will of course be triggered when someone straight up calls Naniwa a piece of shit. But what exactly are you defending? His toxic commets? The bs he spouts and all the false accusations? Its sad because he is so talented. I said i am happy to see him being back in tournamets because talentwise he is agreat addition to the european scene. I am gonna stay with this and wait. Maybe he stops being a little kid for once. Like i said its a no brainer for me how one can defend the way he acts because he is actually behaving like a piece of... Is it really that hard to imagine that some people don't like player bashing?
Is it reallythat hard to imagine that some people don't like a guy that's constantly player bashing, game bashing, balance bashing, insulting and aggressive? gosh
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On January 10 2015 09:58 Cheerio wrote:thats some dumb logic right there: if there is nothing wrong with saying "rekt" then why was he hiding it behind r***?
might simply have been character limit on twitter.
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