Discussion of Naniwa's mental health (unless you know him personally or you email me your phd diploma) after page 96 will be dealt with severely. I suggest you talk about the games instead.
On January 10 2015 09:35 boxerfred wrote: no wcs for me until naniwa is removed. simply not turning in to a tournament that supports such a behaviour.
and happy's tweet makes him any better?
neither better or worse, it's a completely different kind of tweet that is in no way comparable to blaming a loss on ghosting and cheating, forcing tournament organizers to give an advantage to one stream while forcing other casters to not cast a game with a huge number of viewers. Happy's tweet simply was a clear "fuck this I lost I'm pissed". oh, prolonging the game was no problem for happy at all, I'm sure! He likes waiting and discussing a lot, of course, as anyone else does.
Also, contrary to Happy, Naniwa has a certain history of potentially hostile tweets, comments, interviews, and you might even have heard about some other examples of really aggressive behaviour that might be linked to naniwa somehow. Maybe you missed it, but that guy is a douche.
I mean, surely you can also justify naniwa with "fuck I lost I'm pissed", can't you?
No. Blaming the opponent and implying abusive and illegal behaviour is a clear difference in my eyes to "lol that race".
Oh I don't really put much thought into balance whine from pros, I was more worried about saying naniwa has a mental illness. It's even more disrespectful than accusing your opponent of cheating (IMO, this is really debatable). Specially if naniwa has been diagnosed with something, which seems entirely possible...
On January 10 2015 09:47 Homunculus159 wrote: Funny how Nani supporters do not get why he gets the hate he receives. He provokes 99% of it. If you like Nani and support him do it. But dont defend him because most of the time he is the one that starts the problem. Just makes you look silly. The shit he spouts isnt defendable. He played some good games though. And yeah he was laddering a lot and is top gm
Blablabla I say, I didn't like Kas "raping some girl", and I will of course be triggered when someone straight up calls Naniwa a piece of shit.
But what exactly are you defending? His toxic commets? The bs he spouts and all the false accusations?
Its sad because he is so talented. I said i am happy to see him being back in tournamets because talentwise he is agreat addition to the european scene. I am gonna stay with this and wait. Maybe he stops being a little kid for once.
Like i said its a no brainer for me how one can defend the way he acts because he is actually behaving like a piece of...
Is it really that hard to imagine that some people don't like player bashing?
Is it reallythat hard to imagine that some people don't like a guy that's constantly player bashing, game bashing, balance bashing, insulting and aggressive? gosh
No it's not hard. I understand that you don't like him. It's very clear, thank you.
Nah it's more like if I'm to believe that he just started playing SC2 seriously again like he says then I'm sure a better practiced player can do it too
On January 10 2015 09:31 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On January 10 2015 09:30 BlackCompany wrote:
On January 10 2015 09:30 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: This will save SC2. Already the LR is on fire ahaha
I'm curious, how will this save SC2?
More viewers more people talking about it -> more sponsor money
Player behaving like an ass -> people dont like him -> people dont tune in This works both ways, i wouldnt be too sure about this bringing in more viewers.. besides, almost all the people that know and care about Naniwa qualified would watch anyway
It doesnt work like that. people do tune in for the drama and the bm players. idra was quite simlar to naniwa in that he was a great player with a not so great attitude and people went crazy for him as well, idra games had some of the best quotes ever and so do naniwa games as you can clearly see by how nuts this lr and stream have gone. I understand if or that you dislike naniwa heavily, but his personality certainly isnt bad for sc2 as a whole imo.
Idra might have been a pool for drama. But he was mostly professional. Naniwa got worse and worse and lost all professionalism Imo. People that need this sort of low level drama make up stuff themself just as well, so Naniwa isn't really needed. I don't care to much, since I won't see much of his BMing anyway as a viewer. But I will just feel bad for the players he took out after he goes super emo again. It is not like he has a chance when everyone in the tournament will help each other against him anyway.
at some point, idra sooner or later admitted that most of his trash talk came out of his bad mindset. naniwa is not even admitting that.
That is because Idra doesn't have autism.
Sigh, why?
It is not like that I am flaming a guy(even though I don't like Naniwa much...), but if you don't realize this from Naniwa's way of talking and his behavior and relationship with other players then I don't really know what to tell you.
Just don't use an illness/ disease etc. to make your case. Just blame the person
On January 10 2015 09:47 Homunculus159 wrote: Funny how Nani supporters do not get why he gets the hate he receives. He provokes 99% of it. If you like Nani and support him do it. But dont defend him because most of the time he is the one that starts the problem. Just makes you look silly. The shit he spouts isnt defendable. He played some good games though. And yeah he was laddering a lot and is top gm
Blablabla I say, I didn't like Kas "raping some girl", and I will of course be triggered when someone straight up calls Naniwa a piece of shit.
But what exactly are you defending? His toxic commets? The bs he spouts and all the false accusations?
Its sad because he is so talented. I said i am happy to see him being back in tournamets because talentwise he is agreat addition to the european scene. I am gonna stay with this and wait. Maybe he stops being a little kid for once.
Like i said its a no brainer for me how one can defend the way he acts because he is actually behaving like a piece of...
Is it really that hard to imagine that some people don't like player bashing?
Is it reallythat hard to imagine that some people don't like a guy that's constantly player bashing, game bashing, balance bashing, insulting and aggressive? gosh
No it's not hard. I understand that you don't like him. It's very clear, thank you.
Yeah and everyone in here understood that you don't like that naniwa is being bashed. Could we now both shut up, it gets pointless .
On January 10 2015 09:47 Homunculus159 wrote: Funny how Nani supporters do not get why he gets the hate he receives. He provokes 99% of it. If you like Nani and support him do it. But dont defend him because most of the time he is the one that starts the problem. Just makes you look silly. The shit he spouts isnt defendable. He played some good games though. And yeah he was laddering a lot and is top gm
Blablabla I say, I didn't like Kas "raping some girl", and I will of course be triggered when someone straight up calls Naniwa a piece of shit.
But what exactly are you defending? His toxic commets? The bs he spouts and all the false accusations?
Its sad because he is so talented. I said i am happy to see him being back in tournamets because talentwise he is agreat addition to the european scene. I am gonna stay with this and wait. Maybe he stops being a little kid for once.
Like i said its a no brainer for me how one can defend the way he acts because he is actually behaving like a piece of...
Is it really that hard to imagine that some people don't like player bashing?
No i am just saying there is a reason nani is being bashed. Like its really hard to defend someone from bashing when that same person is bm to almost everyone and writes insulting tweets. No surprise lots of people dislike him and that other pros bash him too.
On January 10 2015 09:47 Homunculus159 wrote: Funny how Nani supporters do not get why he gets the hate he receives. He provokes 99% of it. If you like Nani and support him do it. But dont defend him because most of the time he is the one that starts the problem. Just makes you look silly. The shit he spouts isnt defendable. He played some good games though. And yeah he was laddering a lot and is top gm
Blablabla I say, I didn't like Kas "raping some girl", and I will of course be triggered when someone straight up calls Naniwa a piece of shit.
But what exactly are you defending? His toxic commets? The bs he spouts and all the false accusations?
Its sad because he is so talented. I said i am happy to see him being back in tournamets because talentwise he is agreat addition to the european scene. I am gonna stay with this and wait. Maybe he stops being a little kid for once.
Like i said its a no brainer for me how one can defend the way he acts because he is actually behaving like a piece of...
Is it really that hard to imagine that some people don't like player bashing?
No i am just saying there is a reason nani is being bashed. Like its really hard to defend someone from bashing when that same person is bm to almost everyone and writes insulting tweets. No surprise lots of people dislike him and that other pros bash him too.
So? There's always a reason behind player bashing. I'm not comfortable deciding who has good reasons and who doesn't.
On January 10 2015 09:31 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On January 10 2015 09:30 BlackCompany wrote: [quote]
I'm curious, how will this save SC2?
More viewers more people talking about it -> more sponsor money
Player behaving like an ass -> people dont like him -> people dont tune in This works both ways, i wouldnt be too sure about this bringing in more viewers.. besides, almost all the people that know and care about Naniwa qualified would watch anyway
It doesnt work like that. people do tune in for the drama and the bm players. idra was quite simlar to naniwa in that he was a great player with a not so great attitude and people went crazy for him as well, idra games had some of the best quotes ever and so do naniwa games as you can clearly see by how nuts this lr and stream have gone. I understand if or that you dislike naniwa heavily, but his personality certainly isnt bad for sc2 as a whole imo.
Idra might have been a pool for drama. But he was mostly professional. Naniwa got worse and worse and lost all professionalism Imo. People that need this sort of low level drama make up stuff themself just as well, so Naniwa isn't really needed. I don't care to much, since I won't see much of his BMing anyway as a viewer. But I will just feel bad for the players he took out after he goes super emo again. It is not like he has a chance when everyone in the tournament will help each other against him anyway.
at some point, idra sooner or later admitted that most of his trash talk came out of his bad mindset. naniwa is not even admitting that.
That is because Idra doesn't have autism.
Sigh, why?
It is not like that I am flaming a guy(even though I don't like Naniwa much...), but if you don't realize this from Naniwa's way of talking and his behavior and relationship with other players then I don't really know what to tell you.
Just don't use an illness/ disease etc. to make your case. Just blame the person
Sorry but how is that actually better? Illness would even justify him being like that, but being a dick for the sake of being a dick is actually quite bad...
On January 10 2015 09:47 Homunculus159 wrote: Funny how Nani supporters do not get why he gets the hate he receives. He provokes 99% of it. If you like Nani and support him do it. But dont defend him because most of the time he is the one that starts the problem. Just makes you look silly. The shit he spouts isnt defendable. He played some good games though. And yeah he was laddering a lot and is top gm
Blablabla I say, I didn't like Kas "raping some girl", and I will of course be triggered when someone straight up calls Naniwa a piece of shit.
But what exactly are you defending? His toxic commets? The bs he spouts and all the false accusations?
Its sad because he is so talented. I said i am happy to see him being back in tournamets because talentwise he is agreat addition to the european scene. I am gonna stay with this and wait. Maybe he stops being a little kid for once.
Like i said its a no brainer for me how one can defend the way he acts because he is actually behaving like a piece of...
Is it really that hard to imagine that some people don't like player bashing?
No i am just saying there is a reason nani is being bashed. Like its really hard to defend someone from bashing when that same person is bm to almost everyone and writes insulting tweets. No surprise lots of people dislike him and that other pros bash him too.
So? There's always a reason behind player bashing. I'm not comfortable deciding who has good reasons and who doesn't.
*sigh*
I guess we should leave it at that since this is going nowhere
On January 10 2015 09:47 Homunculus159 wrote: Funny how Nani supporters do not get why he gets the hate he receives. He provokes 99% of it. If you like Nani and support him do it. But dont defend him because most of the time he is the one that starts the problem. Just makes you look silly. The shit he spouts isnt defendable. He played some good games though. And yeah he was laddering a lot and is top gm
Blablabla I say, I didn't like Kas "raping some girl", and I will of course be triggered when someone straight up calls Naniwa a piece of shit.
But what exactly are you defending? His toxic commets? The bs he spouts and all the false accusations?
Its sad because he is so talented. I said i am happy to see him being back in tournamets because talentwise he is agreat addition to the european scene. I am gonna stay with this and wait. Maybe he stops being a little kid for once.
Like i said its a no brainer for me how one can defend the way he acts because he is actually behaving like a piece of...
Is it really that hard to imagine that some people don't like player bashing?
No i am just saying there is a reason nani is being bashed. Like its really hard to defend someone from bashing when that same person is bm to almost everyone and writes insulting tweets. No surprise lots of people dislike him and that other pros bash him too.
But let's be fair, he has a reason for bashing others. Today there was a possibility of Happy's ghosting. At IEM there was a possibility of soundproofing and at GSL there was pure logic with probe pulls. He's acting and talking pretty with pure logic :D
On January 10 2015 09:31 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: [quote] More viewers more people talking about it -> more sponsor money
Player behaving like an ass -> people dont like him -> people dont tune in This works both ways, i wouldnt be too sure about this bringing in more viewers.. besides, almost all the people that know and care about Naniwa qualified would watch anyway
It doesnt work like that. people do tune in for the drama and the bm players. idra was quite simlar to naniwa in that he was a great player with a not so great attitude and people went crazy for him as well, idra games had some of the best quotes ever and so do naniwa games as you can clearly see by how nuts this lr and stream have gone. I understand if or that you dislike naniwa heavily, but his personality certainly isnt bad for sc2 as a whole imo.
Idra might have been a pool for drama. But he was mostly professional. Naniwa got worse and worse and lost all professionalism Imo. People that need this sort of low level drama make up stuff themself just as well, so Naniwa isn't really needed. I don't care to much, since I won't see much of his BMing anyway as a viewer. But I will just feel bad for the players he took out after he goes super emo again. It is not like he has a chance when everyone in the tournament will help each other against him anyway.
at some point, idra sooner or later admitted that most of his trash talk came out of his bad mindset. naniwa is not even admitting that.
That is because Idra doesn't have autism.
Sigh, why?
It is not like that I am flaming a guy(even though I don't like Naniwa much...), but if you don't realize this from Naniwa's way of talking and his behavior and relationship with other players then I don't really know what to tell you.
Just don't use an illness/ disease etc. to make your case. Just blame the person
Sorry but how is that actually better? Illness would even justify him being like that, but being a dick for the sake of being a dick is actually quite bad...
Because it's insulting to people actually suffering from the illness. The way Nani is acting isn't representative at all for that group. He's just an ass
On January 10 2015 09:47 Homunculus159 wrote: Funny how Nani supporters do not get why he gets the hate he receives. He provokes 99% of it. If you like Nani and support him do it. But dont defend him because most of the time he is the one that starts the problem. Just makes you look silly. The shit he spouts isnt defendable. He played some good games though. And yeah he was laddering a lot and is top gm
Blablabla I say, I didn't like Kas "raping some girl", and I will of course be triggered when someone straight up calls Naniwa a piece of shit.
But what exactly are you defending? His toxic commets? The bs he spouts and all the false accusations?
Its sad because he is so talented. I said i am happy to see him being back in tournamets because talentwise he is agreat addition to the european scene. I am gonna stay with this and wait. Maybe he stops being a little kid for once.
Like i said its a no brainer for me how one can defend the way he acts because he is actually behaving like a piece of...
Is it really that hard to imagine that some people don't like player bashing?
No i am just saying there is a reason nani is being bashed. Like its really hard to defend someone from bashing when that same person is bm to almost everyone and writes insulting tweets. No surprise lots of people dislike him and that other pros bash him too.
So? There's always a reason behind player bashing. I'm not comfortable deciding who has good reasons and who doesn't.
*sigh*
I guess we should leave it at that since this is going nowhere
I disagree.
Look, Happy said in an interview that terran players are so much better than the other races that in a balanced game they would win everytime, so Blizzard can't make the game really balanced. Is it ok to player bash him because of that? Cause that certainly makes me dislike him. Should I be allowed to write a variant of that post 20 times every time he plays? If we put Naniwa behind a line, who draws the line?
On January 10 2015 09:47 Homunculus159 wrote: Funny how Nani supporters do not get why he gets the hate he receives. He provokes 99% of it. If you like Nani and support him do it. But dont defend him because most of the time he is the one that starts the problem. Just makes you look silly. The shit he spouts isnt defendable. He played some good games though. And yeah he was laddering a lot and is top gm
Blablabla I say, I didn't like Kas "raping some girl", and I will of course be triggered when someone straight up calls Naniwa a piece of shit.
But what exactly are you defending? His toxic commets? The bs he spouts and all the false accusations?
Its sad because he is so talented. I said i am happy to see him being back in tournamets because talentwise he is agreat addition to the european scene. I am gonna stay with this and wait. Maybe he stops being a little kid for once.
Like i said its a no brainer for me how one can defend the way he acts because he is actually behaving like a piece of...
Is it really that hard to imagine that some people don't like player bashing?
No i am just saying there is a reason nani is being bashed. Like its really hard to defend someone from bashing when that same person is bm to almost everyone and writes insulting tweets. No surprise lots of people dislike him and that other pros bash him too.
So? There's always a reason behind player bashing. I'm not comfortable deciding who has good reasons and who doesn't.
*sigh*
I guess we should leave it at that since this is going nowhere
I disagree.
Look, Happy said in an interview that terran players are so much better than the other races that in a balanced game they would win everytime, so Blizzard can't make the game really balanced. Is it ok to player bash him because of that? Cause that certainly makes me dislike him. Should I be allowed to write a variant of that post 20 times every time he plays? If we put Naniwa behind a line, who draws the line?
Yes you can bash him for that particular comment. You actually have a reason to say nah happy is being an arrogant as.... Sure its not the most civilized thing to do. It then again would depend if happy says stuff like this a lot making people dislike him even more.. Nani pushed it too far with a lot of stuff.. Now he comes back and hasnt really changed. Of course the haters are gonna come back. At this point i am pretty sure he provokes this stuff to have some fun. Trolling his haters by getting away with stuff like what he did today. I doubt he cares if people in here bash him for his behaviour
Edit: There are always players and people who are gonna get bashed.. In MY opinion nani deserves some of it. Nonetheless it is up to him to actually make people stop. People defending him wont change how the haters feel about him if he keeps on being the way he is
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