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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
February 07 2014 23:02 GMT
#501
MC plays a weird, midgame oriented playstyle. Continuously making voidray/immortal is super safe but you really have to hit some kind of midgame timing with it because it delays the rest of your tech a lot and both units aren't as useful the later the game goes, especially void rays. People don't usually do that. If MC had stuck to making just immortals, this bust might've worked wonders.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27462 Posts
February 07 2014 23:07 GMT
#502
HerO is making mistakes that are letting MC punish him like this, I do enjoy watching HerO play as ever but his over-extension is killing him vs a player of MC's style
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27462 Posts
February 07 2014 23:11 GMT
#503
Series like this also remind me that PvP really isn't that bad, it's a cool matchup and probably the one that is the most fluid and improvisational, for all the other flaws that it may have
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
February 07 2014 23:14 GMT
#504
Why oh why is HerO unable to keep from falling behind by 20 army supply when he is always ahead in workers and even bases
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
plogamer
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada3132 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-07 23:17:54
February 07 2014 23:15 GMT
#505
Sick entrapment of the blink stalkers by MC. And sick counter to the third in that time by HerO. Too bad camera did not show us what happened at the third. But that's what happens when ST_Legend isn't observing.

/edit

Casters also handling camera work is reducing the quality of the show. Not bashing, I don't blame them. It's hard to cast already, having to handle camera at the same time is just silly.
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
February 07 2014 23:16 GMT
#506
I do like this casting. so carefree
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
February 07 2014 23:16 GMT
#507
Should have respected the Void Ray
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
February 07 2014 23:16 GMT
#508
HerO needs to stop throwing D:
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27462 Posts
February 07 2014 23:17 GMT
#509
Argh, come on HerO!
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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Nomzter
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden2802 Posts
February 07 2014 23:18 GMT
#510
HerO please!
Wormi
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany181 Posts
February 07 2014 23:18 GMT
#511
#respectthevoidray
I´m a real person. Beep beep.
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
February 07 2014 23:18 GMT
#512
Please close it out MC!
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-07 23:18:55
February 07 2014 23:18 GMT
#513
His army is always just so much smaller. I can't even figure out why. What's worse is he doesn't seem to realize/care. He just continues to pump out probes or tech, or get infrastrcture while MC says "ok I'll just build immortals and void rays and kill you" It's really frustrating
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
February 07 2014 23:18 GMT
#514
On February 08 2014 08:14 Yorkie wrote:
Why oh why is HerO unable to keep from falling behind by 20 army supply when he is always ahead in workers and even bases


Well it worked for him in game 2... but it's MC man, no shame in that. ^^

On February 08 2014 08:11 Wombat_NI wrote:
Series like this also remind me that PvP really isn't that bad, it's a cool matchup and probably the one that is the most fluid and improvisational, for all the other flaws that it may have


Game-wise, certainly not as bad as some people still claim, but results-wise it's a complete mess and extremely hard to predict. MC is looking very strong in this series, while he mostly looked a bit lost vs herO[jOin]. There's other examples too, san having a bad record in PvP for a while recently, then going 10-0 in his last PvP games (against really good opponents too), and of course other results from Assembly. It's generally pretty good at the top level though, in most cases better than it used to be for sure. ^^
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
February 07 2014 23:20 GMT
#515
On February 08 2014 08:18 Yorkie wrote:
His army is always just so much smaller. I can't even figure out why. What's worse is he doesn't seem to realize/care. He just continues to pump out probes or tech, or get infrastrcture while MC says "ok I'll just build immortals and void rays and kill you" It's really frustrating


That's what MC does. He's kinda like the July of Protoss, in a way. Unless you're better than MC in every aspect of play (some players have managed to accomplish this at certain points, especially while he was slumping) then it's just something you have to take into account or you'll die.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-07 23:22:15
February 07 2014 23:21 GMT
#516
On February 08 2014 08:18 Yorkie wrote:
His army is always just so much smaller. I can't even figure out why. What's worse is he doesn't seem to realize/care. He just continues to pump out probes or tech, or get infrastrcture while MC says "ok I'll just build immortals and void rays and kill you" It's really frustrating


That's HerO though, he harasses and keeps you pinned back all game while setting up tons of infrastructure to make the army he needs the second he sees you moving out. But it's a razorthin edge which is why he's so inconsistent

He plays a very zergesque style of protoss. It's beautiful to watch but it's extremely fragile and does NOT allow mistakes.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27462 Posts
February 07 2014 23:21 GMT
#517
On February 08 2014 08:18 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 08:14 Yorkie wrote:
Why oh why is HerO unable to keep from falling behind by 20 army supply when he is always ahead in workers and even bases


Well it worked for him in game 2... but it's MC man, no shame in that. ^^

Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 08:11 Wombat_NI wrote:
Series like this also remind me that PvP really isn't that bad, it's a cool matchup and probably the one that is the most fluid and improvisational, for all the other flaws that it may have


Game-wise, certainly not as bad as some people still claim, but results-wise it's a complete mess and extremely hard to predict. MC is looking very strong in this series, while he mostly looked a bit lost vs herO[jOin]. There's other examples too, san having a bad record in PvP for a while recently, then going 10-0 in his last PvP games (against really good opponents too), and of course other results from Assembly. It's generally pretty good at the top level though, in most cases better than it used to be for sure. ^^

It's probably a bit inconsistent because of the reasons I quite enjoy watching pros playing it (hate playing it myself lol). It's really about your decision-making and build choices within the game once it gets out of early game especially, it isn't as straightforward in terms of progression as a lot of other matchups. It's damn hard to make the right decisions all the time in such a matchup I guess
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
February 07 2014 23:24 GMT
#518
On February 08 2014 08:21 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 08:18 Yorkie wrote:
His army is always just so much smaller. I can't even figure out why. What's worse is he doesn't seem to realize/care. He just continues to pump out probes or tech, or get infrastrcture while MC says "ok I'll just build immortals and void rays and kill you" It's really frustrating


That's HerO though, he harasses and keeps you pinned back all game while setting up tons of infrastructure to make the army he needs the second he sees you moving out. But it's a razorthin edge which is why he's so inconsistent

He plays a very zergesque style of protoss. It's beautiful to watch but it's extremely fragile and does NOT allow mistakes.

That's all well and good but he keeps moving out on the map and pressuring/attacking with armies that have no business being there. In addition he is never prepared for the inevitable counter push
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
February 07 2014 23:24 GMT
#519
On February 08 2014 08:21 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 08:18 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On February 08 2014 08:14 Yorkie wrote:
Why oh why is HerO unable to keep from falling behind by 20 army supply when he is always ahead in workers and even bases


Well it worked for him in game 2... but it's MC man, no shame in that. ^^

On February 08 2014 08:11 Wombat_NI wrote:
Series like this also remind me that PvP really isn't that bad, it's a cool matchup and probably the one that is the most fluid and improvisational, for all the other flaws that it may have


Game-wise, certainly not as bad as some people still claim, but results-wise it's a complete mess and extremely hard to predict. MC is looking very strong in this series, while he mostly looked a bit lost vs herO[jOin]. There's other examples too, san having a bad record in PvP for a while recently, then going 10-0 in his last PvP games (against really good opponents too), and of course other results from Assembly. It's generally pretty good at the top level though, in most cases better than it used to be for sure. ^^

It's probably a bit inconsistent because of the reasons I quite enjoy watching pros playing it (hate playing it myself lol). It's really about your decision-making and build choices within the game once it gets out of early game especially, it isn't as straightforward in terms of progression as a lot of other matchups. It's damn hard to make the right decisions all the time in such a matchup I guess


You are right. It is a very free flowing match-up. Unfortunately, usually only Protoss tend to appreciate HOTS PvP.
KT best KT ~ 2014
Swede
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand853 Posts
February 07 2014 23:24 GMT
#520
On February 08 2014 08:18 Yorkie wrote:
His army is always just so much smaller. I can't even figure out why. What's worse is he doesn't seem to realize/care. He just continues to pump out probes or tech, or get infrastrcture while MC says "ok I'll just build immortals and void rays and kill you" It's really frustrating


MC sacrifices probe production after maxing out two bases, which gives him a period of superior army production. It means that if Hero makes a small mistake and loses some army supply then it can be enough for MC to make a kill move.
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