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You're just awesome Golden.
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On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:
I posted this on Reddit, Ill just post it again here:
Not to be a Grinch or anything here, but I really think this is a bad idea.
Many players throughout eSports' history are owed money. Staff too. Many of them are owed a lot more money than HyuN here. I do not think people should donate to HyuN simply because he is the latest case.
Presumably, HyuN has a contract with Quantic, one he should have taken action on during those months where he wasn't being paid. Obviously, Quantic did not fulfill their side of the agreement, and HyuN should have taken action during the first sight of trouble, not now months later after Simon has "disappeared". What HyuN should be doing is contacting a lawyer and following the proper channels, not allowing the community to donate and let this situation continue.
By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players.
My sincere advice is for players who start earning money, to find themselves a personal manager with some experience. Andrew Tomlinson is one such manager, he works with viOlet and Polt. You should also get a financial advisor.
Also, for players who are in similar situations or might face a similar situation, do not wait until months after you are owed money, and you lose contact to the person who owes you said money to say something. Talk to people in the scene, there are friendly people with experience dealing with these matters who I am sure would be willing to at least give you some direction as to how to take action for yourself. At the very least, tell someone, even if it is a news outlet. Yeah it might sound like a bad situation, but the end result is one like this where HyuN is owed a significant amount of money, much like other notable professional players.
I just hope this HyuN situation is a wake-up call for other players: You are not children, you are "professional athletes" for all intents and purposes. This is your career, you should take an active role in managing it. Hire a manager and financial advisor. These are not insignificant amounts of money you are earning. Treating your career like a pastime and letting other people who do not have your best interests at heart, is a stupid idea, and this is what results of that. Wake up.
This logic is such a fail it's ridiculous. That is like saying don't support a rape victim because it will let the rapist off the hook? First of all, international litigation will cost lots of money, lots of money Hyun most likely doesn't have. His team, who is the financial support and legal body that is supposed to help Hyun in situations like this, are the ones who fucked him over. So literally all of the channels of support or shut down here. The community giving back to a player who has given them something in no way lets Quantic off the hook. That's up to Hyun to decide, because he's the one who got fucked over. You didn't get 23k stolen from you, so it's not fucking up to you to decide what Hyun should or shouldn't do. If giving Hyun $5 from however more people show up actually comes out to a decent sum of money, and he decides to pursue this in a legal way, so be it. But if he doesn't, but his story getting publicity informs people of things like this in the future? So be it. But it's not up to some Reddit poster, or TL Forum poster to decide what the hell Hyun should or shouldn't do with his finances.
But damn man don't punish Hyun because other people in the past have lost money also. If the community wants to give back a player they support and love to watch play, why should you stop them? I don't see you volunteering to run down a Lawyer for Hyun, I don't see you volunteering hours of your time to figure out the situation and set him up with a plan for legal action. So you have no right to try and tell everyone, including Hyun, what they should or shouldn't do, to be honest. And the logic used in your argument is just absurd, try and apply that to any other case or someone getting completely fucked over and see how it plays out. And then put yourself in that situationk, where someone overseas, in a language you don't speak, disappears and breaks a contract with you. Lets see how well you would handle it.
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On January 02 2014 03:35 ArTiFaKs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:
I posted this on Reddit, Ill just post it again here:
Not to be a Grinch or anything here, but I really think this is a bad idea.
Many players throughout eSports' history are owed money. Staff too. Many of them are owed a lot more money than HyuN here. I do not think people should donate to HyuN simply because he is the latest case.
Presumably, HyuN has a contract with Quantic, one he should have taken action on during those months where he wasn't being paid. Obviously, Quantic did not fulfill their side of the agreement, and HyuN should have taken action during the first sight of trouble, not now months later after Simon has "disappeared". What HyuN should be doing is contacting a lawyer and following the proper channels, not allowing the community to donate and let this situation continue.
By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players.
My sincere advice is for players who start earning money, to find themselves a personal manager with some experience. Andrew Tomlinson is one such manager, he works with viOlet and Polt. You should also get a financial advisor.
Also, for players who are in similar situations or might face a similar situation, do not wait until months after you are owed money, and you lose contact to the person who owes you said money to say something. Talk to people in the scene, there are friendly people with experience dealing with these matters who I am sure would be willing to at least give you some direction as to how to take action for yourself. At the very least, tell someone, even if it is a news outlet. Yeah it might sound like a bad situation, but the end result is one like this where HyuN is owed a significant amount of money, much like other notable professional players.
I just hope this HyuN situation is a wake-up call for other players: You are not children, you are "professional athletes" for all intents and purposes. This is your career, you should take an active role in managing it. Hire a manager and financial advisor. These are not insignificant amounts of money you are earning. Treating your career like a pastime and letting other people who do not have your best interests at heart, is a stupid idea, and this is what results of that. Wake up. This logic is such a fail it's ridiculous. That is like saying don't support a rape victim because it will let the rapist off the hook?
this analogy is such a fail it's ridiculous.
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Why does this community look for the negative in every situation and then wonder why "sc2 is dying" and gaming gets a bad rep?
Thank you Golden. This is really cool and thoughtful. GL to all competitors, Golden, and Hyun!
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On January 02 2014 03:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 03:35 ArTiFaKs wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:
I posted this on Reddit, Ill just post it again here:
Not to be a Grinch or anything here, but I really think this is a bad idea.
Many players throughout eSports' history are owed money. Staff too. Many of them are owed a lot more money than HyuN here. I do not think people should donate to HyuN simply because he is the latest case.
Presumably, HyuN has a contract with Quantic, one he should have taken action on during those months where he wasn't being paid. Obviously, Quantic did not fulfill their side of the agreement, and HyuN should have taken action during the first sight of trouble, not now months later after Simon has "disappeared". What HyuN should be doing is contacting a lawyer and following the proper channels, not allowing the community to donate and let this situation continue.
By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players.
My sincere advice is for players who start earning money, to find themselves a personal manager with some experience. Andrew Tomlinson is one such manager, he works with viOlet and Polt. You should also get a financial advisor.
Also, for players who are in similar situations or might face a similar situation, do not wait until months after you are owed money, and you lose contact to the person who owes you said money to say something. Talk to people in the scene, there are friendly people with experience dealing with these matters who I am sure would be willing to at least give you some direction as to how to take action for yourself. At the very least, tell someone, even if it is a news outlet. Yeah it might sound like a bad situation, but the end result is one like this where HyuN is owed a significant amount of money, much like other notable professional players.
I just hope this HyuN situation is a wake-up call for other players: You are not children, you are "professional athletes" for all intents and purposes. This is your career, you should take an active role in managing it. Hire a manager and financial advisor. These are not insignificant amounts of money you are earning. Treating your career like a pastime and letting other people who do not have your best interests at heart, is a stupid idea, and this is what results of that. Wake up. This logic is such a fail it's ridiculous. That is like saying don't support a rape victim because it will let the rapist off the hook? this analogy is such a fail it's ridiculous.
Agreed. He's just trying to use the rape analogy to appeal to people's emotions. You can't compare MONEY to rape.
Hyun was robbed.
People want to donate to him to nullify the robbery.
Other people wish to get to the source of the robbery instead of donating.
How can you compare this to rape at all? It has to do with MONEY being replaced.
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how bout this analogy then, about MONEY
A restaurant that everyone enjoys eating at cause its fun there, gets robbed, tables and equipment get smashed
The restaurant loses so much money that it might have to close down.
Regulars of the restaurant donate some money to the owner of the restaurant.
You shouldnt donate to the restaurant because this will perpetuate more robbings of restaurants?
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 02 2014 03:59 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 03:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 02 2014 03:35 ArTiFaKs wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:
I posted this on Reddit, Ill just post it again here:
Not to be a Grinch or anything here, but I really think this is a bad idea.
Many players throughout eSports' history are owed money. Staff too. Many of them are owed a lot more money than HyuN here. I do not think people should donate to HyuN simply because he is the latest case.
Presumably, HyuN has a contract with Quantic, one he should have taken action on during those months where he wasn't being paid. Obviously, Quantic did not fulfill their side of the agreement, and HyuN should have taken action during the first sight of trouble, not now months later after Simon has "disappeared". What HyuN should be doing is contacting a lawyer and following the proper channels, not allowing the community to donate and let this situation continue.
By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players.
My sincere advice is for players who start earning money, to find themselves a personal manager with some experience. Andrew Tomlinson is one such manager, he works with viOlet and Polt. You should also get a financial advisor.
Also, for players who are in similar situations or might face a similar situation, do not wait until months after you are owed money, and you lose contact to the person who owes you said money to say something. Talk to people in the scene, there are friendly people with experience dealing with these matters who I am sure would be willing to at least give you some direction as to how to take action for yourself. At the very least, tell someone, even if it is a news outlet. Yeah it might sound like a bad situation, but the end result is one like this where HyuN is owed a significant amount of money, much like other notable professional players.
I just hope this HyuN situation is a wake-up call for other players: You are not children, you are "professional athletes" for all intents and purposes. This is your career, you should take an active role in managing it. Hire a manager and financial advisor. These are not insignificant amounts of money you are earning. Treating your career like a pastime and letting other people who do not have your best interests at heart, is a stupid idea, and this is what results of that. Wake up. This logic is such a fail it's ridiculous. That is like saying don't support a rape victim because it will let the rapist off the hook? this analogy is such a fail it's ridiculous. Agreed. He's just trying to use the rape analogy to appeal to people's emotions. You can't compare MONEY to rape. Hyun was robbed. People want to donate to him to nullify the robbery. Other people wish to get to the source of the robbery instead of donating. How can you compare this to rape at all? It has to do with MONEY being replaced.
I just hope you understand that it isn't exactly guaranteed that Hyun will get his money from Simon.
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On January 02 2014 04:09 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 03:59 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 03:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 02 2014 03:35 ArTiFaKs wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:
I posted this on Reddit, Ill just post it again here:
Not to be a Grinch or anything here, but I really think this is a bad idea.
Many players throughout eSports' history are owed money. Staff too. Many of them are owed a lot more money than HyuN here. I do not think people should donate to HyuN simply because he is the latest case.
Presumably, HyuN has a contract with Quantic, one he should have taken action on during those months where he wasn't being paid. Obviously, Quantic did not fulfill their side of the agreement, and HyuN should have taken action during the first sight of trouble, not now months later after Simon has "disappeared". What HyuN should be doing is contacting a lawyer and following the proper channels, not allowing the community to donate and let this situation continue.
By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players.
My sincere advice is for players who start earning money, to find themselves a personal manager with some experience. Andrew Tomlinson is one such manager, he works with viOlet and Polt. You should also get a financial advisor.
Also, for players who are in similar situations or might face a similar situation, do not wait until months after you are owed money, and you lose contact to the person who owes you said money to say something. Talk to people in the scene, there are friendly people with experience dealing with these matters who I am sure would be willing to at least give you some direction as to how to take action for yourself. At the very least, tell someone, even if it is a news outlet. Yeah it might sound like a bad situation, but the end result is one like this where HyuN is owed a significant amount of money, much like other notable professional players.
I just hope this HyuN situation is a wake-up call for other players: You are not children, you are "professional athletes" for all intents and purposes. This is your career, you should take an active role in managing it. Hire a manager and financial advisor. These are not insignificant amounts of money you are earning. Treating your career like a pastime and letting other people who do not have your best interests at heart, is a stupid idea, and this is what results of that. Wake up. This logic is such a fail it's ridiculous. That is like saying don't support a rape victim because it will let the rapist off the hook? this analogy is such a fail it's ridiculous. Agreed. He's just trying to use the rape analogy to appeal to people's emotions. You can't compare MONEY to rape. Hyun was robbed. People want to donate to him to nullify the robbery. Other people wish to get to the source of the robbery instead of donating. How can you compare this to rape at all? It has to do with MONEY being replaced. I just hope you understand that it isn't exactly guaranteed that Hyun will get his money from Simon.
Read my other posts. I already know Simon has got off completely free. He is 100% safe now. Nothing can happen to him.
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faith in humanity restored !!!!
i'll turn adblock off for sure !
what a great community starcraft's is :D
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 02 2014 04:11 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 04:09 Zealously wrote:On January 02 2014 03:59 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 03:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 02 2014 03:35 ArTiFaKs wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:
I posted this on Reddit, Ill just post it again here:
Not to be a Grinch or anything here, but I really think this is a bad idea.
Many players throughout eSports' history are owed money. Staff too. Many of them are owed a lot more money than HyuN here. I do not think people should donate to HyuN simply because he is the latest case.
Presumably, HyuN has a contract with Quantic, one he should have taken action on during those months where he wasn't being paid. Obviously, Quantic did not fulfill their side of the agreement, and HyuN should have taken action during the first sight of trouble, not now months later after Simon has "disappeared". What HyuN should be doing is contacting a lawyer and following the proper channels, not allowing the community to donate and let this situation continue.
By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players.
My sincere advice is for players who start earning money, to find themselves a personal manager with some experience. Andrew Tomlinson is one such manager, he works with viOlet and Polt. You should also get a financial advisor.
Also, for players who are in similar situations or might face a similar situation, do not wait until months after you are owed money, and you lose contact to the person who owes you said money to say something. Talk to people in the scene, there are friendly people with experience dealing with these matters who I am sure would be willing to at least give you some direction as to how to take action for yourself. At the very least, tell someone, even if it is a news outlet. Yeah it might sound like a bad situation, but the end result is one like this where HyuN is owed a significant amount of money, much like other notable professional players.
I just hope this HyuN situation is a wake-up call for other players: You are not children, you are "professional athletes" for all intents and purposes. This is your career, you should take an active role in managing it. Hire a manager and financial advisor. These are not insignificant amounts of money you are earning. Treating your career like a pastime and letting other people who do not have your best interests at heart, is a stupid idea, and this is what results of that. Wake up. This logic is such a fail it's ridiculous. That is like saying don't support a rape victim because it will let the rapist off the hook? this analogy is such a fail it's ridiculous. Agreed. He's just trying to use the rape analogy to appeal to people's emotions. You can't compare MONEY to rape. Hyun was robbed. People want to donate to him to nullify the robbery. Other people wish to get to the source of the robbery instead of donating. How can you compare this to rape at all? It has to do with MONEY being replaced. I just hope you understand that it isn't exactly guaranteed that Hyun will get his money from Simon. Read my other posts. I already know Simon has got off completely free. He is 100% safe now. Nothing can happen to him.
I have read your other posts. The thing is, without money Hyun probably has to retire. We don't want him to retire, so we help him out. But you almost make it sound like anyone willing to give some money to a guy who needs it are actively supporting theft or some shit. Not giving money to Hyun does little to set a precedent or deter other players from making deals with shady organisations in the future, but it goes a long way to make sure Hyun retires because he's unable to keep playing professionally.
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donated
the self-important retards itt reminds me why i hate internet forums so much
<3 hyun
User was temp banned for this post.
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I don't understand why people complain and/or criticize when others try to do something for good. I think if you want something to change, you go and do something for it and not waste time bringing down others' ideas. I see their argument is "by doing this, you're letting Quantic get its way" but seriously I don't think that's the case (as many others previously pointed here, why can't we do both help Hyun and try to punish Quantic?).
On the other hand, I don't think Hyun will say "ok, problem solved" if we donate him money to match the amount Quantic owes him. He will probably think "what an amazing community! But holy shit I must be careful in the future, people won't be always there to save my ass". When people do something nice for you, you find yourself thinking what could you have done for them or others. So maybe he realizes he can expose even more the whole situation to fellow progamers so they don't get scammed too.
Yes it sounds naive but it doesn't harm to try and do something nice for someone we love!
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On January 02 2014 04:11 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 04:09 Zealously wrote:On January 02 2014 03:59 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 03:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 02 2014 03:35 ArTiFaKs wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:
I posted this on Reddit, Ill just post it again here:
Not to be a Grinch or anything here, but I really think this is a bad idea.
Many players throughout eSports' history are owed money. Staff too. Many of them are owed a lot more money than HyuN here. I do not think people should donate to HyuN simply because he is the latest case.
Presumably, HyuN has a contract with Quantic, one he should have taken action on during those months where he wasn't being paid. Obviously, Quantic did not fulfill their side of the agreement, and HyuN should have taken action during the first sight of trouble, not now months later after Simon has "disappeared". What HyuN should be doing is contacting a lawyer and following the proper channels, not allowing the community to donate and let this situation continue.
By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players.
My sincere advice is for players who start earning money, to find themselves a personal manager with some experience. Andrew Tomlinson is one such manager, he works with viOlet and Polt. You should also get a financial advisor.
Also, for players who are in similar situations or might face a similar situation, do not wait until months after you are owed money, and you lose contact to the person who owes you said money to say something. Talk to people in the scene, there are friendly people with experience dealing with these matters who I am sure would be willing to at least give you some direction as to how to take action for yourself. At the very least, tell someone, even if it is a news outlet. Yeah it might sound like a bad situation, but the end result is one like this where HyuN is owed a significant amount of money, much like other notable professional players.
I just hope this HyuN situation is a wake-up call for other players: You are not children, you are "professional athletes" for all intents and purposes. This is your career, you should take an active role in managing it. Hire a manager and financial advisor. These are not insignificant amounts of money you are earning. Treating your career like a pastime and letting other people who do not have your best interests at heart, is a stupid idea, and this is what results of that. Wake up. This logic is such a fail it's ridiculous. That is like saying don't support a rape victim because it will let the rapist off the hook? this analogy is such a fail it's ridiculous. Agreed. He's just trying to use the rape analogy to appeal to people's emotions. You can't compare MONEY to rape. Hyun was robbed. People want to donate to him to nullify the robbery. Other people wish to get to the source of the robbery instead of donating. How can you compare this to rape at all? It has to do with MONEY being replaced. I just hope you understand that it isn't exactly guaranteed that Hyun will get his money from Simon. Read my other posts. I already know Simon has got off completely free. He is 100% safe now. Nothing can happen to him.
So basically you are OK with sacrifying Hyun's carreer in order to make other programers and the community to take notice of this issue?
(I don't mean to be rude with this question but putting it simple your argument sounds like that.)
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Donated a couple dollars, since I'll be at work during the tournament and won't be able to watch it. I found out about this through the event section of TL, but shouldn't this be frontpage news?
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I'll be watching, be sure of that ! HyuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuN <3 ! Hope we'll be helpful and that he'll continue his career as progamer ! Don't leave us HyuN !!
Also, cheers to Golden ! and the players that are going to play for HyuN's sake !
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What a swell guy this Golden fellow is.
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United States23455 Posts
On January 02 2014 03:59 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 03:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 02 2014 03:35 ArTiFaKs wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:
I posted this on Reddit, Ill just post it again here:
Not to be a Grinch or anything here, but I really think this is a bad idea.
Many players throughout eSports' history are owed money. Staff too. Many of them are owed a lot more money than HyuN here. I do not think people should donate to HyuN simply because he is the latest case.
Presumably, HyuN has a contract with Quantic, one he should have taken action on during those months where he wasn't being paid. Obviously, Quantic did not fulfill their side of the agreement, and HyuN should have taken action during the first sight of trouble, not now months later after Simon has "disappeared". What HyuN should be doing is contacting a lawyer and following the proper channels, not allowing the community to donate and let this situation continue.
By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players.
My sincere advice is for players who start earning money, to find themselves a personal manager with some experience. Andrew Tomlinson is one such manager, he works with viOlet and Polt. You should also get a financial advisor.
Also, for players who are in similar situations or might face a similar situation, do not wait until months after you are owed money, and you lose contact to the person who owes you said money to say something. Talk to people in the scene, there are friendly people with experience dealing with these matters who I am sure would be willing to at least give you some direction as to how to take action for yourself. At the very least, tell someone, even if it is a news outlet. Yeah it might sound like a bad situation, but the end result is one like this where HyuN is owed a significant amount of money, much like other notable professional players.
I just hope this HyuN situation is a wake-up call for other players: You are not children, you are "professional athletes" for all intents and purposes. This is your career, you should take an active role in managing it. Hire a manager and financial advisor. These are not insignificant amounts of money you are earning. Treating your career like a pastime and letting other people who do not have your best interests at heart, is a stupid idea, and this is what results of that. Wake up. This logic is such a fail it's ridiculous. That is like saying don't support a rape victim because it will let the rapist off the hook? this analogy is such a fail it's ridiculous. Agreed. He's just trying to use the rape analogy to appeal to people's emotions. You can't compare MONEY to rape. Hyun was robbed. People want to donate to him to nullify the robbery. Other people wish to get to the source of the robbery instead of donating. How can you compare this to rape at all? It has to do with MONEY being replaced.
You realize that we're providing a temporary monetary fund for Hyun to continue progaming until money can be obtained through the source?
It's not like the guy is off the hook legally for money he owes Hyun for ever dollar that is donated to him. They're two different sources.
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On January 02 2014 05:01 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 03:59 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 03:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 02 2014 03:35 ArTiFaKs wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:
I posted this on Reddit, Ill just post it again here:
Not to be a Grinch or anything here, but I really think this is a bad idea.
Many players throughout eSports' history are owed money. Staff too. Many of them are owed a lot more money than HyuN here. I do not think people should donate to HyuN simply because he is the latest case.
Presumably, HyuN has a contract with Quantic, one he should have taken action on during those months where he wasn't being paid. Obviously, Quantic did not fulfill their side of the agreement, and HyuN should have taken action during the first sight of trouble, not now months later after Simon has "disappeared". What HyuN should be doing is contacting a lawyer and following the proper channels, not allowing the community to donate and let this situation continue.
By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players.
My sincere advice is for players who start earning money, to find themselves a personal manager with some experience. Andrew Tomlinson is one such manager, he works with viOlet and Polt. You should also get a financial advisor.
Also, for players who are in similar situations or might face a similar situation, do not wait until months after you are owed money, and you lose contact to the person who owes you said money to say something. Talk to people in the scene, there are friendly people with experience dealing with these matters who I am sure would be willing to at least give you some direction as to how to take action for yourself. At the very least, tell someone, even if it is a news outlet. Yeah it might sound like a bad situation, but the end result is one like this where HyuN is owed a significant amount of money, much like other notable professional players.
I just hope this HyuN situation is a wake-up call for other players: You are not children, you are "professional athletes" for all intents and purposes. This is your career, you should take an active role in managing it. Hire a manager and financial advisor. These are not insignificant amounts of money you are earning. Treating your career like a pastime and letting other people who do not have your best interests at heart, is a stupid idea, and this is what results of that. Wake up. This logic is such a fail it's ridiculous. That is like saying don't support a rape victim because it will let the rapist off the hook? this analogy is such a fail it's ridiculous. Agreed. He's just trying to use the rape analogy to appeal to people's emotions. You can't compare MONEY to rape. Hyun was robbed. People want to donate to him to nullify the robbery. Other people wish to get to the source of the robbery instead of donating. How can you compare this to rape at all? It has to do with MONEY being replaced. You realize that we're providing a temporary monetary fund for Hyun to continue progaming until money can be obtained through the source? It's not like the guy is off the hook legally for money he owes Hyun for ever dollar that is donated to him. They're two different sources.
If that's the case why don't we keep the discussion of said guy to the other thread and focus this thread on doing something good and supporting Hyun.
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United States23455 Posts
On January 02 2014 05:04 Traceback wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 05:01 Darkhoarse wrote:On January 02 2014 03:59 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 03:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 02 2014 03:35 ArTiFaKs wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:
I posted this on Reddit, Ill just post it again here:
Not to be a Grinch or anything here, but I really think this is a bad idea.
Many players throughout eSports' history are owed money. Staff too. Many of them are owed a lot more money than HyuN here. I do not think people should donate to HyuN simply because he is the latest case.
Presumably, HyuN has a contract with Quantic, one he should have taken action on during those months where he wasn't being paid. Obviously, Quantic did not fulfill their side of the agreement, and HyuN should have taken action during the first sight of trouble, not now months later after Simon has "disappeared". What HyuN should be doing is contacting a lawyer and following the proper channels, not allowing the community to donate and let this situation continue.
By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players.
My sincere advice is for players who start earning money, to find themselves a personal manager with some experience. Andrew Tomlinson is one such manager, he works with viOlet and Polt. You should also get a financial advisor.
Also, for players who are in similar situations or might face a similar situation, do not wait until months after you are owed money, and you lose contact to the person who owes you said money to say something. Talk to people in the scene, there are friendly people with experience dealing with these matters who I am sure would be willing to at least give you some direction as to how to take action for yourself. At the very least, tell someone, even if it is a news outlet. Yeah it might sound like a bad situation, but the end result is one like this where HyuN is owed a significant amount of money, much like other notable professional players.
I just hope this HyuN situation is a wake-up call for other players: You are not children, you are "professional athletes" for all intents and purposes. This is your career, you should take an active role in managing it. Hire a manager and financial advisor. These are not insignificant amounts of money you are earning. Treating your career like a pastime and letting other people who do not have your best interests at heart, is a stupid idea, and this is what results of that. Wake up. This logic is such a fail it's ridiculous. That is like saying don't support a rape victim because it will let the rapist off the hook? this analogy is such a fail it's ridiculous. Agreed. He's just trying to use the rape analogy to appeal to people's emotions. You can't compare MONEY to rape. Hyun was robbed. People want to donate to him to nullify the robbery. Other people wish to get to the source of the robbery instead of donating. How can you compare this to rape at all? It has to do with MONEY being replaced. You realize that we're providing a temporary monetary fund for Hyun to continue progaming until money can be obtained through the source? It's not like the guy is off the hook legally for money he owes Hyun for ever dollar that is donated to him. They're two different sources. If that's the case why don't we keep the discussion of said guy to the other thread and focus this thread on doing something good and supporting Hyun.
This guy has the right idea.
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