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Glenn313
Profile Joined August 2011
United States475 Posts
January 01 2014 20:08 GMT
#161
Nice by Golden! I hope Hyun is doing well.
Hey man
Pontius Pirate
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United States1557 Posts
January 01 2014 20:09 GMT
#162
I'm busy during that time, but I'll leave my browser open to Hyun's twitch with adblock disabled.
"I had to close the door so my parents wouldn't judge me." - ZombieGrub during the ShitfaceTradeTV stream
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-01 20:10:16
January 01 2014 20:09 GMT
#163
I will definitely watch this stream without my adblock. I guess it's the least I can do because my wallet is strapped tight

But thank you, Golden! It's nice to see that people like you, unlike a lot of the TL and reddit posters, do not express the inappropriate cynicism but find ways to improve Hyun's situation!

I hope Hyun and his friends find other solutions to help Hyun's situation! :D
Seed's # 1 fan!!! #ForVengeance
tili
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1332 Posts
January 01 2014 20:19 GMT
#164
Haha - this is such a sweet thing :D

ALso - those are genuinely sick matches O_o
CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
January 01 2014 20:25 GMT
#165
That is very kind!
~ The Ultimate Weapon
Grouch
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada152 Posts
January 01 2014 20:26 GMT
#166
Will this tournament have a losers bracket to maybe we can see more match ups?
Sound #1
-Kaiser-
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada932 Posts
January 01 2014 20:41 GMT
#167
How about instead of donating to one kid out of a ton that have been and are being ripped off, we host an educational event called "How to negotiate and enforce a contract"?
3 Hatch Before Cool
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
January 01 2014 20:43 GMT
#168
Cool event. Golden is awesome.
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
January 01 2014 20:43 GMT
#169
This is awesome. Can't watch but I'll leave my browser open at home.
"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
DMXD
Profile Joined February 2008
United States4064 Posts
January 01 2014 20:56 GMT
#170
Hurray for starcraft community!
realityyy
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany50 Posts
January 01 2014 21:05 GMT
#171
On January 02 2014 03:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2014 03:35 ArTiFaKs wrote:
On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:
I posted this on Reddit, Ill just post it again here:

Not to be a Grinch or anything here, but I really think this is a bad idea.

Many players throughout eSports' history are owed money. Staff too. Many of them are owed a lot more money than HyuN here. I do not think people should donate to HyuN simply because he is the latest case.

Presumably, HyuN has a contract with Quantic, one he should have taken action on during those months where he wasn't being paid. Obviously, Quantic did not fulfill their side of the agreement, and HyuN should have taken action during the first sight of trouble, not now months later after Simon has "disappeared". What HyuN should be doing is contacting a lawyer and following the proper channels, not allowing the community to donate and let this situation continue.

By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players.

My sincere advice is for players who start earning money, to find themselves a personal manager with some experience. Andrew Tomlinson is one such manager, he works with viOlet and Polt. You should also get a financial advisor.

Also, for players who are in similar situations or might face a similar situation, do not wait until months after you are owed money, and you lose contact to the person who owes you said money to say something. Talk to people in the scene, there are friendly people with experience dealing with these matters who I am sure would be willing to at least give you some direction as to how to take action for yourself. At the very least, tell someone, even if it is a news outlet. Yeah it might sound like a bad situation, but the end result is one like this where HyuN is owed a significant amount of money, much like other notable professional players.

I just hope this HyuN situation is a wake-up call for other players: You are not children, you are "professional athletes" for all intents and purposes. This is your career, you should take an active role in managing it. Hire a manager and financial advisor. These are not insignificant amounts of money you are earning. Treating your career like a pastime and letting other people who do not have your best interests at heart, is a stupid idea, and this is what results of that. Wake up.


This logic is such a fail it's ridiculous. That is like saying don't support a rape victim because it will let the rapist off the hook?


this analogy is such a fail it's ridiculous.


shut up, Simon
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
January 01 2014 21:12 GMT
#172
However you feel about the situation + Show Spoiler +
I think it can generally be agreed, it really really sucks
or the outpouring of support for HyuN + Show Spoiler +
look, sure, other people have been ripped off too. don't like it? don't donate or watch. There is an argument that other players are deserving of support - so rather than bitch about it, put on your big girl pants and support them as well as HyuN. If you think legal recourse is the answer, it's a pathway to more debt - lawyer's fees, court fees, service attempts on Quantic/Simon - and then even if HyuN wins, there's no guarantee of collecting a dime from Simon or Quantic if the money isn't there. Then there's more costs in trying to collect after the fact - in principle a great idea, but often you wind up in debt even if you win.
...

This is players coming out to help another player - it's a bloody wonderful display of human kindness and community spirit among Korean players and dammit Golden this is fucking wonderful. Thank you.
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
Stoffelhase
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany162 Posts
January 01 2014 21:22 GMT
#173
love you golden! hyun as well
ratty
Profile Joined July 2011
New Zealand275 Posts
January 01 2014 21:26 GMT
#174
read the title and thought oh god here we go but golden you bad ass thos tournament looks so mint. cant wait! boss toss yay!
no. monkeys land on their feet, they're like masturbating cats ~ #~hyvaa~#~
Noobity
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States871 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-01 21:42:36
January 01 2014 21:38 GMT
#175
On January 02 2014 00:06 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2014 00:05 z0rz wrote:
On January 01 2014 23:53 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players.


EXACTLY. The community needs to WAKE UP. Stop indulging in this feel-good crap. This isn't what we should be doing, even though it's "nice" to do.

Do you guys even know what this is about? HyuN is considering retiring after this fiasco. This isn't about the money; it's about reaching out to someone who poured his heart and soul into something and got screwed over for it in the end.

Doing this in no way perpetuates the corrupt system. If the funds were somehow going back to Quantic or another corrupt team/owner, you'd have a point. This is just a sign of gratitude/appreciation for a beloved progamer, and by sharing this story and making it a big deal, we are effectively spreading the word and hopefully informing aspiring progamers on the potential pitfalls of their career path and ways they can protect themselves.

"Professional athletes," as you refer to, have player unions and lawyers/managers to protect them. You can say the progamers are at fault for being naive and putting themselves in a position where they can be taken advantage of, but by saying that you're letting the shady organizations off the hook.

Until a legit union is established, this is the best we can really do: support the players that we love and spread the word to prevent someone like Simon from continuing to exist in the industry and to hopefully inform other players of the possibilities.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with this gesture.


It's a get out of jail free card for Quantic. If we just give Hyun money, then Quantic's actions will be forgotten until the next time a scam comes up. The correct course of action is pursuing Simon/Quantic.


This was the last straw for Quantic, there's no coming back. This doesn't pay Hyun the money that Quantic owes him, Quantic still owes the money and if he doesn't get it from them I'm assuming he still has a legal right to it. Nobody is going to forgive Quantic, certainly nobody that donates to Hyun to help alleviate his personal financial woes because of their inability to properly pay their player.

I agree wholeheartedly that the best way to keep this from happening again is to have some pretty extreme consequences for their actions, but I don't agree that Hyun should have to suffer for something that was not his fault. The only thing this tournament will do is give him a bit of a financial pillow to continue as a pro gamer while he finds another team or living situation or something. I highly doubt Golden and the players will actually raise $23k, it's just a little assistance.

EDIT: To address the "other players have been burned in the past too" yeah, it happens. Should we be angry that reddit got MKP and Crank to MLGs but not other players? This is 5 gamers who feel that they can help their friend out through a financial hardship.
My name is Mike, and statistically, yours is not.
Meepman
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada610 Posts
January 01 2014 21:59 GMT
#176
On January 02 2014 05:41 -Kaiser- wrote:
How about instead of donating to one kid out of a ton that have been and are being ripped off, we host an educational event called "How to negotiate and enforce a contract"?


Why don't we do both
umelbumel
Profile Joined January 2011
2026 Posts
January 01 2014 22:05 GMT
#177
great!
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10668 Posts
January 01 2014 22:08 GMT
#178
Amazing idea, HyuN doesn't deserve this shit coming from an amazing BW background... save hyun!!
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
January 01 2014 22:49 GMT
#179
Great idea! Will definitely tune in :D
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
Abturn
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany55 Posts
January 01 2014 22:58 GMT
#180
Donated for Hyun, would i be in his position i would like to have all support so i did it!
Tournament gonna be guuud :D
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