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About
HyuN's team owner has gone with HyuN's prize, and salary (over 23,000$)
So we are planning to support HyuN to play and cast!
AND!
We need your support!
Just watch world-class players's match and
and cheer for him! then save HyuN's smile 
When?
Jan 3 12:00AM KST (Jan 2 07:00AM PDT 10:00AM EDT 4:00PM CET)
Player
Myi.jjakji , Myi.StarDust , MC , AZUBU Symbol will play Ro4 bracket. (Ro4 bo3, Final Bo5)
here is match up !
Caster
HyuN, and Golden (sorry, we have terrible english)
Thank you for your interesting! see you! =)
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Good initiative! Good luck.
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Austria24417 Posts
I love you, Golden. I will help save Hyun.
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Wow this seems like quite a sincere and appreciatively nice thing to do, even though it may not fully cover the owed money, I hope it encourages Hyun to stay as a pro gamer. What a Good Guy Golden!
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Great gesture!
I really like what you're doing for Esports (and especially Hyun). First the APM league and now this, good job Golden!
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Australia54784 Posts
hi golden, i've added this to the calendar, let me know if the event is ok!
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Wow, this is such a nice thing to do!! <3
I'l be there! :D
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You're such a great person Golden, I'll be sure to watch so I can help support HyuN too
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Will watch
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Golden literally saving esports
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awesome move by the players and Golden. i will tune in and support HyuN!
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Golden, you're the best. ♥
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is there some kind of tipjar for hyun? Would love to help him out after getting fucked over so badly
EDIT: nvm im retarded its in the op lol
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Really nice idea, #saveHyun
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Wow, Golden seems like the nicest guy! Will watch!
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Will watch for sure. Hyun will rise again, stronger than ever!
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All the best guys, nice to see the community helping HyuN :D
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Good Job Golden! Hit the commercial button as often as you can!
I really like your players list!
But couldn't u avoid the teamkill in round 1?^^
Jakjji > Stardust
MC < Symbol
Jakjji > Symbol
+ Show Spoiler +
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MC wins this.
On another note, Golden's the hero eSports needs.
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this makes me very very happy
:D :D :D
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I posted this on Reddit, Ill just post it again here:
Not to be a Grinch or anything here, but I really think this is a bad idea.
Many players throughout eSports' history are owed money. Staff too. Many of them are owed a lot more money than HyuN here. I do not think people should donate to HyuN simply because he is the latest case.
Presumably, HyuN has a contract with Quantic, one he should have taken action on during those months where he wasn't being paid. Obviously, Quantic did not fulfill their side of the agreement, and HyuN should have taken action during the first sight of trouble, not now months later after Simon has "disappeared". What HyuN should be doing is contacting a lawyer and following the proper channels, not allowing the community to donate and let this situation continue.
By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players.
My sincere advice is for players who start earning money, to find themselves a personal manager with some experience. Andrew Tomlinson is one such manager, he works with viOlet and Polt. You should also get a financial advisor.
Also, for players who are in similar situations or might face a similar situation, do not wait until months after you are owed money, and you lose contact to the person who owes you said money to say something. Talk to people in the scene, there are friendly people with experience dealing with these matters who I am sure would be willing to at least give you some direction as to how to take action for yourself. At the very least, tell someone, even if it is a news outlet. Yeah it might sound like a bad situation, but the end result is one like this where HyuN is owed a significant amount of money, much like other notable professional players.
I just hope this HyuN situation is a wake-up call for other players: You are not children, you are "professional athletes" for all intents and purposes. This is your career, you should take an active role in managing it. Hire a manager and financial advisor. These are not insignificant amounts of money you are earning. Treating your career like a pastime and letting other people who do not have your best interests at heart, is a stupid idea, and this is what results of that. Wake up.
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Golden!!!!!!! you are the best <3
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We need a "Break Simon's neck" Tournament!
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Golden, you are a legend. Love you long time ~ <3
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Golden saving HyuNs smile
Will be tuning in!
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Does anyone have the paypal of Hyun please?
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On January 01 2014 23:44 Folkennn wrote:
Does anyone has the paypal of Hyun please?
in the op, last picture
whaga1202@nate.com
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On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players.
EXACTLY. The community needs to WAKE UP. Stop indulging in this feel-good crap. This isn't what we should be doing, even though it's "nice" to do.
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On January 01 2014 23:53 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players. EXACTLY. The community needs to WAKE UP. Stop indulging in this feel-good crap. This isn't what we should be doing, even though it's "nice" to do.
That's fair. But actually, I don't think it it would be anything close to easy to get that money back, and Hyun is, possibly, in need of this.
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He should sign his pants and raffle them or something, lolz.
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Golden the hero of esports? Seriously Golden is doing a lot lately. Hope many people tune in so this amazing content can keep happening!! Also this is going to be great, golden's english is pretty good, and Hyun had some great english at HSC. Plus the games look amazing.
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This brings tears to my eyes, so nice! Nothing in the world can stop me from watching this.
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Russian Federation604 Posts
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
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On January 01 2014 23:53 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players. EXACTLY. The community needs to WAKE UP. Stop indulging in this feel-good crap. This isn't what we should be doing, even though it's "nice" to do.
Do you guys even know what this is about? HyuN is considering retiring after this fiasco. This isn't about the money; it's about reaching out to someone who poured his heart and soul into something and got screwed over for it in the end.
Doing this in no way perpetuates the corrupt system. If the funds were somehow going back to Quantic or another corrupt team/owner, you'd have a point. This is just a sign of gratitude/appreciation for a beloved progamer, and by sharing this story and making it a big deal, we are effectively spreading the word and hopefully informing aspiring progamers on the potential pitfalls of their career path and ways they can protect themselves.
"Professional athletes," as you refer to, have player unions and lawyers/managers to protect them. You can say the progamers are at fault for being naive and putting themselves in a position where they can be taken advantage of, but by saying that you're letting the shady organizations off the hook.
Until a legit union is established, this is the best we can really do: support the players that we love and spread the word to prevent someone like Simon from continuing to exist in the industry and to hopefully inform other players of the possibilities.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with this gesture.
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On January 02 2014 00:05 z0rz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2014 23:53 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players. EXACTLY. The community needs to WAKE UP. Stop indulging in this feel-good crap. This isn't what we should be doing, even though it's "nice" to do. Do you guys even know what this is about? HyuN is considering retiring after this fiasco. This isn't about the money; it's about reaching out to someone who poured his heart and soul into something and got screwed over for it in the end. Doing this in no way perpetuates the corrupt system. If the funds were somehow going back to Quantic or another corrupt team/owner, you'd have a point. This is just a sign of gratitude/appreciation for a beloved progamer, and by sharing this story and making it a big deal, we are effectively spreading the word and hopefully informing aspiring progamers on the potential pitfalls of their career path and ways they can protect themselves. "Professional athletes," as you refer to, have player unions and lawyers/managers to protect them. You can say the progamers are at fault for being naive and putting themselves in a position where they can be taken advantage of, but by saying that you're letting the shady organizations off the hook. Until a legit union is established, this is the best we can really do: support the players that we love and spread the word to prevent someone like Simon from continuing to exist in the industry and to hopefully inform other players of the possibilities. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this gesture.
It's a get out of jail free card for Quantic. If we just give Hyun money, then Quantic's actions will be forgotten until the next time a scam comes up. The correct course of action is pursuing Simon/Quantic.
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On January 02 2014 00:06 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 00:05 z0rz wrote:On January 01 2014 23:53 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players. EXACTLY. The community needs to WAKE UP. Stop indulging in this feel-good crap. This isn't what we should be doing, even though it's "nice" to do. Do you guys even know what this is about? HyuN is considering retiring after this fiasco. This isn't about the money; it's about reaching out to someone who poured his heart and soul into something and got screwed over for it in the end. Doing this in no way perpetuates the corrupt system. If the funds were somehow going back to Quantic or another corrupt team/owner, you'd have a point. This is just a sign of gratitude/appreciation for a beloved progamer, and by sharing this story and making it a big deal, we are effectively spreading the word and hopefully informing aspiring progamers on the potential pitfalls of their career path and ways they can protect themselves. "Professional athletes," as you refer to, have player unions and lawyers/managers to protect them. You can say the progamers are at fault for being naive and putting themselves in a position where they can be taken advantage of, but by saying that you're letting the shady organizations off the hook. Until a legit union is established, this is the best we can really do: support the players that we love and spread the word to prevent someone like Simon from continuing to exist in the industry and to hopefully inform other players of the possibilities. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this gesture. It's a get out of jail free card for Quantic. If we just give Hyun money, then Quantic's actions will be forgotten until the next time a scam comes up. The correct course of action is pursuing Simon/Quantic.
Because you can't do both?
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I will watch, no doubts!!
Would be even cooler if it could be a tricast with Golden, HyuN and CranK(loved him on the APM league).
Cant wait!
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On January 02 2014 00:07 z0rz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 00:06 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 00:05 z0rz wrote:On January 01 2014 23:53 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players. EXACTLY. The community needs to WAKE UP. Stop indulging in this feel-good crap. This isn't what we should be doing, even though it's "nice" to do. Do you guys even know what this is about? HyuN is considering retiring after this fiasco. This isn't about the money; it's about reaching out to someone who poured his heart and soul into something and got screwed over for it in the end. Doing this in no way perpetuates the corrupt system. If the funds were somehow going back to Quantic or another corrupt team/owner, you'd have a point. This is just a sign of gratitude/appreciation for a beloved progamer, and by sharing this story and making it a big deal, we are effectively spreading the word and hopefully informing aspiring progamers on the potential pitfalls of their career path and ways they can protect themselves. "Professional athletes," as you refer to, have player unions and lawyers/managers to protect them. You can say the progamers are at fault for being naive and putting themselves in a position where they can be taken advantage of, but by saying that you're letting the shady organizations off the hook. Until a legit union is established, this is the best we can really do: support the players that we love and spread the word to prevent someone like Simon from continuing to exist in the industry and to hopefully inform other players of the possibilities. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this gesture. It's a get out of jail free card for Quantic. If we just give Hyun money, then Quantic's actions will be forgotten until the next time a scam comes up. The correct course of action is pursuing Simon/Quantic. Because you can't do both?
Nope, quantic are out scott free unless hyun is in the gutter regretting pro gaming, because that's how shit works
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GL Hyun we show you how wonderful is sc2 community!!
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Really nice projet i'll watch
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On January 02 2014 00:07 z0rz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 00:06 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 00:05 z0rz wrote:On January 01 2014 23:53 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players. EXACTLY. The community needs to WAKE UP. Stop indulging in this feel-good crap. This isn't what we should be doing, even though it's "nice" to do. Do you guys even know what this is about? HyuN is considering retiring after this fiasco. This isn't about the money; it's about reaching out to someone who poured his heart and soul into something and got screwed over for it in the end. Doing this in no way perpetuates the corrupt system. If the funds were somehow going back to Quantic or another corrupt team/owner, you'd have a point. This is just a sign of gratitude/appreciation for a beloved progamer, and by sharing this story and making it a big deal, we are effectively spreading the word and hopefully informing aspiring progamers on the potential pitfalls of their career path and ways they can protect themselves. "Professional athletes," as you refer to, have player unions and lawyers/managers to protect them. You can say the progamers are at fault for being naive and putting themselves in a position where they can be taken advantage of, but by saying that you're letting the shady organizations off the hook. Until a legit union is established, this is the best we can really do: support the players that we love and spread the word to prevent someone like Simon from continuing to exist in the industry and to hopefully inform other players of the possibilities. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this gesture. It's a get out of jail free card for Quantic. If we just give Hyun money, then Quantic's actions will be forgotten until the next time a scam comes up. The correct course of action is pursuing Simon/Quantic. Because you can't do both?
No one here is talking about doing both. They just want Hyun to get some money. After that, all will be forgiven with Quantic. Then another Quantic scam will come up. It's just stupid.
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Will definitely support this ! Thank you Golden, this is golden idea! Awesome players too, looking forward to matches!
But Simon still needs to pay in more ways than one!
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On January 02 2014 00:09 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 00:07 z0rz wrote:On January 02 2014 00:06 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 00:05 z0rz wrote:On January 01 2014 23:53 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players. EXACTLY. The community needs to WAKE UP. Stop indulging in this feel-good crap. This isn't what we should be doing, even though it's "nice" to do. Do you guys even know what this is about? HyuN is considering retiring after this fiasco. This isn't about the money; it's about reaching out to someone who poured his heart and soul into something and got screwed over for it in the end. Doing this in no way perpetuates the corrupt system. If the funds were somehow going back to Quantic or another corrupt team/owner, you'd have a point. This is just a sign of gratitude/appreciation for a beloved progamer, and by sharing this story and making it a big deal, we are effectively spreading the word and hopefully informing aspiring progamers on the potential pitfalls of their career path and ways they can protect themselves. "Professional athletes," as you refer to, have player unions and lawyers/managers to protect them. You can say the progamers are at fault for being naive and putting themselves in a position where they can be taken advantage of, but by saying that you're letting the shady organizations off the hook. Until a legit union is established, this is the best we can really do: support the players that we love and spread the word to prevent someone like Simon from continuing to exist in the industry and to hopefully inform other players of the possibilities. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this gesture. It's a get out of jail free card for Quantic. If we just give Hyun money, then Quantic's actions will be forgotten until the next time a scam comes up. The correct course of action is pursuing Simon/Quantic. Because you can't do both? Nope, quantic are out scott free unless hyun is in the gutter regretting pro gaming, because that's how shit works
Right, Simon fled and very likely will get away with it. How does that make it wrong to help out the guy that got screwed over? I seriously don't follow this logic. If he DIDN'T flee, you can be damn sure that the community would have done everything they could to knock him down a peg.
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On January 01 2014 23:53 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players. EXACTLY. The community needs to WAKE UP. Stop indulging in this feel-good crap. This isn't what we should be doing, even though it's "nice" to do.
actually you need to wake up. if you think this is a perfect world you are wrong. the system doesn't work so easy, hyun needs a ton of money the process will take probably years and a lot of nerves from hyun's side. it's also not very promising he needs evidence not just a screenshot of a skype conversation. and even then it's not 100% certain that the manager of quantic gets the right punishment for his actions.
i am afraid even though this sounds very pessimistic he is not going to get his money back from his "manager", even if he starts to take actions right now.
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On January 02 2014 00:13 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 00:07 z0rz wrote:On January 02 2014 00:06 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 00:05 z0rz wrote:On January 01 2014 23:53 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players. EXACTLY. The community needs to WAKE UP. Stop indulging in this feel-good crap. This isn't what we should be doing, even though it's "nice" to do. Do you guys even know what this is about? HyuN is considering retiring after this fiasco. This isn't about the money; it's about reaching out to someone who poured his heart and soul into something and got screwed over for it in the end. Doing this in no way perpetuates the corrupt system. If the funds were somehow going back to Quantic or another corrupt team/owner, you'd have a point. This is just a sign of gratitude/appreciation for a beloved progamer, and by sharing this story and making it a big deal, we are effectively spreading the word and hopefully informing aspiring progamers on the potential pitfalls of their career path and ways they can protect themselves. "Professional athletes," as you refer to, have player unions and lawyers/managers to protect them. You can say the progamers are at fault for being naive and putting themselves in a position where they can be taken advantage of, but by saying that you're letting the shady organizations off the hook. Until a legit union is established, this is the best we can really do: support the players that we love and spread the word to prevent someone like Simon from continuing to exist in the industry and to hopefully inform other players of the possibilities. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this gesture. It's a get out of jail free card for Quantic. If we just give Hyun money, then Quantic's actions will be forgotten until the next time a scam comes up. The correct course of action is pursuing Simon/Quantic. Because you can't do both? No one here is talking about doing both. They just want Hyun to get some money. After that, all will be forgiven with Quantic. Then another Quantic scam will come up. It's just stupid.
Like I, and many others, have said: this will continue to happen without some sort of governing body or union to protect the players. Personally supporting the players that get screwed over doesn't make it any more or less likely for future players to get screwed over, so what's the fucking problem? If you want to help, help. If not, that's cool. Nobody is forced to participate in this. More importantly, no damage is being done by helping HyuN (unless he joined another corrupt team and fell for the same shit repeatedly etc).
If anything, a grassroots campaign like this could gain a lot of traction and reach more people than you'd ever expect. And, like I said, that would spread the message and potentially inform new players of ways to protect themselves with contracts to prevent this from happening again.
What are YOU doing to fix this?
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#SaveTheHyun
Great initiative
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On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:
I posted this on Reddit, Ill just post it again here:
Not to be a Grinch or anything here, but I really think this is a bad idea.
Many players throughout eSports' history are owed money. Staff too. Many of them are owed a lot more money than HyuN here. I do not think people should donate to HyuN simply because he is the latest case.
Presumably, HyuN has a contract with Quantic, one he should have taken action on during those months where he wasn't being paid. Obviously, Quantic did not fulfill their side of the agreement, and HyuN should have taken action during the first sight of trouble, not now months later after Simon has "disappeared". What HyuN should be doing is contacting a lawyer and following the proper channels, not allowing the community to donate and let this situation continue.
By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players.
My sincere advice is for players who start earning money, to find themselves a personal manager with some experience. Andrew Tomlinson is one such manager, he works with viOlet and Polt. You should also get a financial advisor.
Also, for players who are in similar situations or might face a similar situation, do not wait until months after you are owed money, and you lose contact to the person who owes you said money to say something. Talk to people in the scene, there are friendly people with experience dealing with these matters who I am sure would be willing to at least give you some direction as to how to take action for yourself. At the very least, tell someone, even if it is a news outlet. Yeah it might sound like a bad situation, but the end result is one like this where HyuN is owed a significant amount of money, much like other notable professional players.
I just hope this HyuN situation is a wake-up call for other players: You are not children, you are "professional athletes" for all intents and purposes. This is your career, you should take an active role in managing it. Hire a manager and financial advisor. These are not insignificant amounts of money you are earning. Treating your career like a pastime and letting other people who do not have your best interests at heart, is a stupid idea, and this is what results of that. Wake up.
HyuN should have kicked up a fuss earlier, but looking at it from his perspective I can totally understand why he didn't. He was being given false assurances all the way through and he did receive some money, so he had reason to believe that he would receive the rest and he would certainly have wanted to believe it.
He would also want to avoid the public spectacle of a conflict with his team and the hassle of having to find another team. He was busy practicing and traveling to tournaments and would want to focus on that. Don't forget there is a language (and distance) barrier as well, which makes it harder to tell whether the excuses he was being given were genuine or not.
I doubt the legal route will be worthwhile, as the sum in dispute is quite small and lawyers are expensive. The cost of instructing lawyers and going to court could be more than he would recover even assuming that the team manager has the money to pay what the court awards, which I doubt. However, he should at least contact a lawyer to see what they think (if his English is even good enough to discuss it with them).
Either way, I can't see what possible harm can come from an effort like this one. It won't make any difference as to whether HyuN gets the money owed to him (which seems unlikely).
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Korea (South)11232 Posts
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Golden so nice! HyuN so awesome! Will definitely watch this!!!!
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On January 02 2014 00:07 z0rz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 00:06 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 00:05 z0rz wrote:On January 01 2014 23:53 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players. EXACTLY. The community needs to WAKE UP. Stop indulging in this feel-good crap. This isn't what we should be doing, even though it's "nice" to do. Do you guys even know what this is about? HyuN is considering retiring after this fiasco. This isn't about the money; it's about reaching out to someone who poured his heart and soul into something and got screwed over for it in the end. Doing this in no way perpetuates the corrupt system. If the funds were somehow going back to Quantic or another corrupt team/owner, you'd have a point. This is just a sign of gratitude/appreciation for a beloved progamer, and by sharing this story and making it a big deal, we are effectively spreading the word and hopefully informing aspiring progamers on the potential pitfalls of their career path and ways they can protect themselves. "Professional athletes," as you refer to, have player unions and lawyers/managers to protect them. You can say the progamers are at fault for being naive and putting themselves in a position where they can be taken advantage of, but by saying that you're letting the shady organizations off the hook. Until a legit union is established, this is the best we can really do: support the players that we love and spread the word to prevent someone like Simon from continuing to exist in the industry and to hopefully inform other players of the possibilities. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this gesture. It's a get out of jail free card for Quantic. If we just give Hyun money, then Quantic's actions will be forgotten until the next time a scam comes up. The correct course of action is pursuing Simon/Quantic. Because you can't do both?
For one, you aren't doing both. Which goes to prove my point. By letting Quantic get away with this, you aren't solving any issues. Also, by coddling HyuN in this situation, you are essentially saying that what he is doing (asking the community for a handout instead of going after Quantic for his money months ago) is the right thing.
Not to mention there is a better way to go about giving a little back to HyuN. How easy would it be to make a couple T-Shirt designs and start a spreadshirt for HyuN? Then I pay $30-50 for a shirt, HyuN pockets about half of that, and I get something out of it. He can also stream and earn money through that.
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On January 02 2014 00:18 Justinian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:
I posted this on Reddit, Ill just post it again here:
Not to be a Grinch or anything here, but I really think this is a bad idea.
Many players throughout eSports' history are owed money. Staff too. Many of them are owed a lot more money than HyuN here. I do not think people should donate to HyuN simply because he is the latest case.
Presumably, HyuN has a contract with Quantic, one he should have taken action on during those months where he wasn't being paid. Obviously, Quantic did not fulfill their side of the agreement, and HyuN should have taken action during the first sight of trouble, not now months later after Simon has "disappeared". What HyuN should be doing is contacting a lawyer and following the proper channels, not allowing the community to donate and let this situation continue.
By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players.
My sincere advice is for players who start earning money, to find themselves a personal manager with some experience. Andrew Tomlinson is one such manager, he works with viOlet and Polt. You should also get a financial advisor.
Also, for players who are in similar situations or might face a similar situation, do not wait until months after you are owed money, and you lose contact to the person who owes you said money to say something. Talk to people in the scene, there are friendly people with experience dealing with these matters who I am sure would be willing to at least give you some direction as to how to take action for yourself. At the very least, tell someone, even if it is a news outlet. Yeah it might sound like a bad situation, but the end result is one like this where HyuN is owed a significant amount of money, much like other notable professional players.
I just hope this HyuN situation is a wake-up call for other players: You are not children, you are "professional athletes" for all intents and purposes. This is your career, you should take an active role in managing it. Hire a manager and financial advisor. These are not insignificant amounts of money you are earning. Treating your career like a pastime and letting other people who do not have your best interests at heart, is a stupid idea, and this is what results of that. Wake up. HyuN should have kicked up a fuss earlier, but looking at it from his perspective I can totally understand why he didn't. He was being given false assurances all the way through and he did receive some money, so he had reason to believe that he would receive the rest and he would certainly have wanted to believe it. He would also want to avoid the public spectacle of a conflict with his team and the hassle of having to find another team. He was busy practicing and traveling to tournaments and would want to focus on that. Don't forget there is a language (and distance) barrier as well, which makes it harder to tell whether the excuses he was being given were genuine or not. I doubt the legal route will be worthwhile, as the sum in dispute is quite small and lawyers are expensive. The cost of instructing lawyers and going to court could be more than he would recover even assuming that the team manager has the money to pay what the court awards, which I doubt. However, he should at least contact a lawyer to see what they think (if his English is even good enough to discuss it with them). Either way, I can't see what possible harm can come from an effort like this one. It won't make any difference as to whether HyuN gets the money owed to him (which seems unlikely).
This actually brings up a good point: I imagine it would be pretty easy to get yourself blacklisted from a lot of future employment in esports if you throw your team/manager under the bus and put private information on blast while you're still contracted with the team.
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On January 02 2014 00:17 z0rz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 00:13 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 00:07 z0rz wrote:On January 02 2014 00:06 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 00:05 z0rz wrote:On January 01 2014 23:53 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players. EXACTLY. The community needs to WAKE UP. Stop indulging in this feel-good crap. This isn't what we should be doing, even though it's "nice" to do. Do you guys even know what this is about? HyuN is considering retiring after this fiasco. This isn't about the money; it's about reaching out to someone who poured his heart and soul into something and got screwed over for it in the end. Doing this in no way perpetuates the corrupt system. If the funds were somehow going back to Quantic or another corrupt team/owner, you'd have a point. This is just a sign of gratitude/appreciation for a beloved progamer, and by sharing this story and making it a big deal, we are effectively spreading the word and hopefully informing aspiring progamers on the potential pitfalls of their career path and ways they can protect themselves. "Professional athletes," as you refer to, have player unions and lawyers/managers to protect them. You can say the progamers are at fault for being naive and putting themselves in a position where they can be taken advantage of, but by saying that you're letting the shady organizations off the hook. Until a legit union is established, this is the best we can really do: support the players that we love and spread the word to prevent someone like Simon from continuing to exist in the industry and to hopefully inform other players of the possibilities. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this gesture. It's a get out of jail free card for Quantic. If we just give Hyun money, then Quantic's actions will be forgotten until the next time a scam comes up. The correct course of action is pursuing Simon/Quantic. Because you can't do both? No one here is talking about doing both. They just want Hyun to get some money. After that, all will be forgiven with Quantic. Then another Quantic scam will come up. It's just stupid. Like I, and many others, have said: this will continue to happen without some sort of governing body or union to protect the players. Personally supporting the players that get screwed over doesn't make it any more or less likely for future players to get screwed over, so what's the fucking problem? If you want to help, help. If not, that's cool. Nobody is forced to participate in this. More importantly, no damage is being done by helping HyuN (unless he joined another corrupt team and fell for the same shit repeatedly etc). If anything, a grassroots campaign like this could gain a lot of traction and reach more people than you'd ever expect. And, like I said, that would spread the message and potentially inform new players of ways to protect themselves with contracts to prevent this from happening again. What are YOU doing to fix this?
All it's doing is spreading the message that if a pro player gets scammed, the community will donate to him. That gives even less incentive to players to be critical about their decision. They always have community donations to fall back on.
Quantic should have been destroyed after the Massan incident but the community was too soft on them.
I don't need to do anything to fix this. I realize the futility of it all. This community is just full of immature, soft people who want to keep giving Quantic second chances.
Sorry to Hyun, but this is what you get for:
1. Waiting so long to talk about Quantic's management (3 months without pay? Wtf?)
2. Being naive and trusting Quantic (especialy after the Massan incident)
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 02 2014 00:13 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 00:07 z0rz wrote:On January 02 2014 00:06 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 00:05 z0rz wrote:On January 01 2014 23:53 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players. EXACTLY. The community needs to WAKE UP. Stop indulging in this feel-good crap. This isn't what we should be doing, even though it's "nice" to do. Do you guys even know what this is about? HyuN is considering retiring after this fiasco. This isn't about the money; it's about reaching out to someone who poured his heart and soul into something and got screwed over for it in the end. Doing this in no way perpetuates the corrupt system. If the funds were somehow going back to Quantic or another corrupt team/owner, you'd have a point. This is just a sign of gratitude/appreciation for a beloved progamer, and by sharing this story and making it a big deal, we are effectively spreading the word and hopefully informing aspiring progamers on the potential pitfalls of their career path and ways they can protect themselves. "Professional athletes," as you refer to, have player unions and lawyers/managers to protect them. You can say the progamers are at fault for being naive and putting themselves in a position where they can be taken advantage of, but by saying that you're letting the shady organizations off the hook. Until a legit union is established, this is the best we can really do: support the players that we love and spread the word to prevent someone like Simon from continuing to exist in the industry and to hopefully inform other players of the possibilities. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this gesture. It's a get out of jail free card for Quantic. If we just give Hyun money, then Quantic's actions will be forgotten until the next time a scam comes up. The correct course of action is pursuing Simon/Quantic. Because you can't do both? No one here is talking about doing both. They just want Hyun to get some money. After that, all will be forgiven with Quantic. Then another Quantic scam will come up. It's just stupid.
Would you rather Hyun retires and the Reddit/TL communities bring out their pitchforks to try and bring some guy "we" most likely will never be able to track down (because how the fuck would that even happen?) to justice? I'm all for making sure Simon pays everything he owes his players, but I feel that's more wishful thinking than helping Hyun out - something the community evidently is quite capable of doing. Giving Hyun money won't fix the mess nor will it prevent similar situations in the future, but neither will doing nothing and feeling good about being "mature".
You also seem to underesimate the collective memory of the Starcraft II community in thinking that "all will be forgotten" past this stage. If you turn out to be a shady guy or an untrustworthy organisation, people stop trusting you. It's happened multiple times before, and I am pretty sure that screwing a fan favorite out of $23.000 in both salary and prize money isn't something that will be forgotten by next week.
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On January 02 2014 00:26 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 00:13 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 00:07 z0rz wrote:On January 02 2014 00:06 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 00:05 z0rz wrote:On January 01 2014 23:53 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players. EXACTLY. The community needs to WAKE UP. Stop indulging in this feel-good crap. This isn't what we should be doing, even though it's "nice" to do. Do you guys even know what this is about? HyuN is considering retiring after this fiasco. This isn't about the money; it's about reaching out to someone who poured his heart and soul into something and got screwed over for it in the end. Doing this in no way perpetuates the corrupt system. If the funds were somehow going back to Quantic or another corrupt team/owner, you'd have a point. This is just a sign of gratitude/appreciation for a beloved progamer, and by sharing this story and making it a big deal, we are effectively spreading the word and hopefully informing aspiring progamers on the potential pitfalls of their career path and ways they can protect themselves. "Professional athletes," as you refer to, have player unions and lawyers/managers to protect them. You can say the progamers are at fault for being naive and putting themselves in a position where they can be taken advantage of, but by saying that you're letting the shady organizations off the hook. Until a legit union is established, this is the best we can really do: support the players that we love and spread the word to prevent someone like Simon from continuing to exist in the industry and to hopefully inform other players of the possibilities. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this gesture. It's a get out of jail free card for Quantic. If we just give Hyun money, then Quantic's actions will be forgotten until the next time a scam comes up. The correct course of action is pursuing Simon/Quantic. Because you can't do both? No one here is talking about doing both. They just want Hyun to get some money. After that, all will be forgiven with Quantic. Then another Quantic scam will come up. It's just stupid. Would you rather Hyun retires and the Reddit/TL communities bring out their pitchforks to try and bring some guy "we" most likely will never be able to track down (because how the fuck would that even happen?) to justice? I'm all for making sure Simon pays everything he owes his players, but I feel that's more wishful thinking than helping Hyun out - something the community evidently is quite capable of doing. You also seem to underesimate the collective memory of the Starcraft II community in thinking that "all will be forgotten" past this stage. If you turn out to be a shady guy or an untrustworthy organisation, people stop trusting you. It's happened multiple times before, and I am pretty sure that screwing a fan favorite out of $23.000 in both salary and prize money isn't something that will be forgotten by next week.
The fact that Quantic was still able to exist after the Massan incident just goes to show how powerless the community is.
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On January 02 2014 00:17 z0rz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 00:13 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 00:07 z0rz wrote:On January 02 2014 00:06 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 00:05 z0rz wrote:On January 01 2014 23:53 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players. EXACTLY. The community needs to WAKE UP. Stop indulging in this feel-good crap. This isn't what we should be doing, even though it's "nice" to do. Do you guys even know what this is about? HyuN is considering retiring after this fiasco. This isn't about the money; it's about reaching out to someone who poured his heart and soul into something and got screwed over for it in the end. Doing this in no way perpetuates the corrupt system. If the funds were somehow going back to Quantic or another corrupt team/owner, you'd have a point. This is just a sign of gratitude/appreciation for a beloved progamer, and by sharing this story and making it a big deal, we are effectively spreading the word and hopefully informing aspiring progamers on the potential pitfalls of their career path and ways they can protect themselves. "Professional athletes," as you refer to, have player unions and lawyers/managers to protect them. You can say the progamers are at fault for being naive and putting themselves in a position where they can be taken advantage of, but by saying that you're letting the shady organizations off the hook. Until a legit union is established, this is the best we can really do: support the players that we love and spread the word to prevent someone like Simon from continuing to exist in the industry and to hopefully inform other players of the possibilities. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this gesture. It's a get out of jail free card for Quantic. If we just give Hyun money, then Quantic's actions will be forgotten until the next time a scam comes up. The correct course of action is pursuing Simon/Quantic. Because you can't do both? No one here is talking about doing both. They just want Hyun to get some money. After that, all will be forgiven with Quantic. Then another Quantic scam will come up. It's just stupid. Like I, and many others, have said: this will continue to happen without some sort of governing body or union to protect the players. Personally supporting the players that get screwed over doesn't make it any more or less likely for future players to get screwed over, so what's the fucking problem? If you want to help, help. If not, that's cool. Nobody is forced to participate in this. More importantly, no damage is being done by helping HyuN (unless he joined another corrupt team and fell for the same shit repeatedly etc). If anything, a grassroots campaign like this could gain a lot of traction and reach more people than you'd ever expect. And, like I said, that would spread the message and potentially inform new players of ways to protect themselves with contracts to prevent this from happening again. What are YOU doing to fix this?
For starters you should look into the organization before even thinking about signing with them. None of this news should come as a surprise for many with regards to Quantic and for those who are familiar with this side of industry for well over a decade. There have always been shady characters. It goes beyond taking advantage of Koreans. The BW foreigner scene was a crap shoot too. Going back to the Koreans. They're definitely easy targets though with the language barrier and many of them used to the KeSPA practices. In many cases they don't know any better and think these teams are ran on the same paradigm. Nope. Make sure you do your homework if you want to get involved in the scene. Also lots of these contracts aren't up to snuff.
On January 02 2014 00:28 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 00:26 Zealously wrote:On January 02 2014 00:13 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 00:07 z0rz wrote:On January 02 2014 00:06 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 00:05 z0rz wrote:On January 01 2014 23:53 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players. EXACTLY. The community needs to WAKE UP. Stop indulging in this feel-good crap. This isn't what we should be doing, even though it's "nice" to do. Do you guys even know what this is about? HyuN is considering retiring after this fiasco. This isn't about the money; it's about reaching out to someone who poured his heart and soul into something and got screwed over for it in the end. Doing this in no way perpetuates the corrupt system. If the funds were somehow going back to Quantic or another corrupt team/owner, you'd have a point. This is just a sign of gratitude/appreciation for a beloved progamer, and by sharing this story and making it a big deal, we are effectively spreading the word and hopefully informing aspiring progamers on the potential pitfalls of their career path and ways they can protect themselves. "Professional athletes," as you refer to, have player unions and lawyers/managers to protect them. You can say the progamers are at fault for being naive and putting themselves in a position where they can be taken advantage of, but by saying that you're letting the shady organizations off the hook. Until a legit union is established, this is the best we can really do: support the players that we love and spread the word to prevent someone like Simon from continuing to exist in the industry and to hopefully inform other players of the possibilities. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this gesture. It's a get out of jail free card for Quantic. If we just give Hyun money, then Quantic's actions will be forgotten until the next time a scam comes up. The correct course of action is pursuing Simon/Quantic. Because you can't do both? No one here is talking about doing both. They just want Hyun to get some money. After that, all will be forgiven with Quantic. Then another Quantic scam will come up. It's just stupid. Would you rather Hyun retires and the Reddit/TL communities bring out their pitchforks to try and bring some guy "we" most likely will never be able to track down (because how the fuck would that even happen?) to justice? I'm all for making sure Simon pays everything he owes his players, but I feel that's more wishful thinking than helping Hyun out - something the community evidently is quite capable of doing. You also seem to underesimate the collective memory of the Starcraft II community in thinking that "all will be forgotten" past this stage. If you turn out to be a shady guy or an untrustworthy organisation, people stop trusting you. It's happened multiple times before, and I am pretty sure that screwing a fan favorite out of $23.000 in both salary and prize money isn't something that will be forgotten by next week. The fact that Quantic was still able to exist after the Massan incident just goes to show how powerless the community is.
We never had real power to begin with. With all the shit that goes on at the end of the day you will still tune in and watch. The format(s) don't really matter. Go figure.
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Very nice project. Im happy to see that the players support each other.
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Hey Golden i really like what you are doing !!!
I'm happy to see the community holding strong like you trying to do it.
A bit of happiness in this darks time.
I guess 2014 will be the last great year for sc2 if they dont release LOV soon.
Happy new year all
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On January 02 2014 00:22 fams wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 00:07 z0rz wrote:On January 02 2014 00:06 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 00:05 z0rz wrote:On January 01 2014 23:53 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players. EXACTLY. The community needs to WAKE UP. Stop indulging in this feel-good crap. This isn't what we should be doing, even though it's "nice" to do. Do you guys even know what this is about? HyuN is considering retiring after this fiasco. This isn't about the money; it's about reaching out to someone who poured his heart and soul into something and got screwed over for it in the end. Doing this in no way perpetuates the corrupt system. If the funds were somehow going back to Quantic or another corrupt team/owner, you'd have a point. This is just a sign of gratitude/appreciation for a beloved progamer, and by sharing this story and making it a big deal, we are effectively spreading the word and hopefully informing aspiring progamers on the potential pitfalls of their career path and ways they can protect themselves. "Professional athletes," as you refer to, have player unions and lawyers/managers to protect them. You can say the progamers are at fault for being naive and putting themselves in a position where they can be taken advantage of, but by saying that you're letting the shady organizations off the hook. Until a legit union is established, this is the best we can really do: support the players that we love and spread the word to prevent someone like Simon from continuing to exist in the industry and to hopefully inform other players of the possibilities. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this gesture. It's a get out of jail free card for Quantic. If we just give Hyun money, then Quantic's actions will be forgotten until the next time a scam comes up. The correct course of action is pursuing Simon/Quantic. Because you can't do both? For one, you aren't doing both. Which goes to prove my point. By letting Quantic get away with this, you aren't solving any issues. Also, by coddling HyuN in this situation, you are essentially saying that what he is doing (asking the community for a handout instead of going after Quantic for his money months ago) is the right thing. Not to mention there is a better way to go about giving a little back to HyuN. How easy would it be to make a couple T-Shirt designs and start a spreadshirt for HyuN? Then I pay $30-50 for a shirt, HyuN pockets about half of that, and I get something out of it. He can also stream and earn money through that.
First of all, none of us are "letting Quantic get away with this." We can't get do anything to get Simon fired. He's gone. Like I said, unless someone is a lawyer and willing to represent HyuN, no action CAN be taken against Quantic.
Second of all, HyuN DID ask for help in his original statement, but he NEVER asked for handouts. We can split hairs and argue what his intentions were when asking for help, but it seems pretty clear that he wanted help in settling the dispute.
Third of all, how the fuck is HyuN pocketing HALF the profits of a product better than him getting 100% of direct donations? I don't even. The point is to SUPPORT him. Why do you need to get something in return? Again, this is not a mandatory service.
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Positivity > Negativity. Good job guys.
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On January 02 2014 00:30 z0rz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 00:22 fams wrote:On January 02 2014 00:07 z0rz wrote:On January 02 2014 00:06 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 00:05 z0rz wrote:On January 01 2014 23:53 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players. EXACTLY. The community needs to WAKE UP. Stop indulging in this feel-good crap. This isn't what we should be doing, even though it's "nice" to do. Do you guys even know what this is about? HyuN is considering retiring after this fiasco. This isn't about the money; it's about reaching out to someone who poured his heart and soul into something and got screwed over for it in the end. Doing this in no way perpetuates the corrupt system. If the funds were somehow going back to Quantic or another corrupt team/owner, you'd have a point. This is just a sign of gratitude/appreciation for a beloved progamer, and by sharing this story and making it a big deal, we are effectively spreading the word and hopefully informing aspiring progamers on the potential pitfalls of their career path and ways they can protect themselves. "Professional athletes," as you refer to, have player unions and lawyers/managers to protect them. You can say the progamers are at fault for being naive and putting themselves in a position where they can be taken advantage of, but by saying that you're letting the shady organizations off the hook. Until a legit union is established, this is the best we can really do: support the players that we love and spread the word to prevent someone like Simon from continuing to exist in the industry and to hopefully inform other players of the possibilities. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this gesture. It's a get out of jail free card for Quantic. If we just give Hyun money, then Quantic's actions will be forgotten until the next time a scam comes up. The correct course of action is pursuing Simon/Quantic. Because you can't do both? For one, you aren't doing both. Which goes to prove my point. By letting Quantic get away with this, you aren't solving any issues. Also, by coddling HyuN in this situation, you are essentially saying that what he is doing (asking the community for a handout instead of going after Quantic for his money months ago) is the right thing. Not to mention there is a better way to go about giving a little back to HyuN. How easy would it be to make a couple T-Shirt designs and start a spreadshirt for HyuN? Then I pay $30-50 for a shirt, HyuN pockets about half of that, and I get something out of it. He can also stream and earn money through that. First of all, none of us are "letting Quantic get away with this." We can't get do anything to get Simon fired. He's gone. Like I said, unless someone is a lawyer and willing to represent HyuN, no action CAN be taken against Quantic. Second of all, HyuN DID ask for help in his original statement, but he NEVER asked for handouts. We can split hairs and argue what his intentions were when asking for help, but it seems pretty clear that he wanted help in settling the dispute. Third of all, how the fuck is HyuN pocketing HALF the profits of a product better than him getting 100% of direct donations? I don't even. The point is to SUPPORT him. Why do you need to get something in return? Again, this is not a mandatory service.
1. I didn't mean in his original post, I mean that he is on board with these donations.
2. Him being able to make his own product/brand is a lot better, for him and the community. People aren't just throwing their money away, and HyuN can build something to help himself in the long run.
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You're so awesome, Golden <3
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Nazgul needs to sign this motherfucker.
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On January 02 2014 00:35 fams wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 00:30 z0rz wrote:On January 02 2014 00:22 fams wrote:On January 02 2014 00:07 z0rz wrote:On January 02 2014 00:06 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 00:05 z0rz wrote:On January 01 2014 23:53 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players. EXACTLY. The community needs to WAKE UP. Stop indulging in this feel-good crap. This isn't what we should be doing, even though it's "nice" to do. Do you guys even know what this is about? HyuN is considering retiring after this fiasco. This isn't about the money; it's about reaching out to someone who poured his heart and soul into something and got screwed over for it in the end. Doing this in no way perpetuates the corrupt system. If the funds were somehow going back to Quantic or another corrupt team/owner, you'd have a point. This is just a sign of gratitude/appreciation for a beloved progamer, and by sharing this story and making it a big deal, we are effectively spreading the word and hopefully informing aspiring progamers on the potential pitfalls of their career path and ways they can protect themselves. "Professional athletes," as you refer to, have player unions and lawyers/managers to protect them. You can say the progamers are at fault for being naive and putting themselves in a position where they can be taken advantage of, but by saying that you're letting the shady organizations off the hook. Until a legit union is established, this is the best we can really do: support the players that we love and spread the word to prevent someone like Simon from continuing to exist in the industry and to hopefully inform other players of the possibilities. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this gesture. It's a get out of jail free card for Quantic. If we just give Hyun money, then Quantic's actions will be forgotten until the next time a scam comes up. The correct course of action is pursuing Simon/Quantic. Because you can't do both? For one, you aren't doing both. Which goes to prove my point. By letting Quantic get away with this, you aren't solving any issues. Also, by coddling HyuN in this situation, you are essentially saying that what he is doing ( asking the community for a handout instead of going after Quantic for his money months ago) is the right thing. Not to mention there is a better way to go about giving a little back to HyuN. How easy would it be to make a couple T-Shirt designs and start a spreadshirt for HyuN? Then I pay $30-50 for a shirt, HyuN pockets about half of that, and I get something out of it. He can also stream and earn money through that. First of all, none of us are "letting Quantic get away with this." We can't get do anything to get Simon fired. He's gone. Like I said, unless someone is a lawyer and willing to represent HyuN, no action CAN be taken against Quantic. Second of all, HyuN DID ask for help in his original statement, but he NEVER asked for handouts. We can split hairs and argue what his intentions were when asking for help, but it seems pretty clear that he wanted help in settling the dispute. Third of all, how the fuck is HyuN pocketing HALF the profits of a product better than him getting 100% of direct donations? I don't even. The point is to SUPPORT him. Why do you need to get something in return? Again, this is not a mandatory service. 1. I didn't mean in his original post, I mean that he is on board with these donations.2. Him being able to make his own product/brand is a lot better, for him and the community. People aren't just throwing their money away, and HyuN can build something to help himself in the long run.
Accepting community donations is so far from asking for handouts that I can't take anything you say seriously.
Not to mention you're disappointed that he hasn't established a clothing line to support himself 12 hours after the news broke.
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Wow, its unfortunate that his team owner is a douchebag but why do you have to milk the viewers for money?
Even if he just got 800$ it would be rude of him to retire.
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That's cool. But really do we have to bail everyone out? I Could use help paying off my student loans maybe we could get Incontrol and Grubby to play each other for money for me.
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On January 02 2014 00:42 ICanFlyLow wrote:
Wow, its unfortunate that his team owner is a douchebag but why do you have to milk the viewers for money?
I'm reasonably sure that you wouldn't say no to help from others if you were set $23.000 short by the actions of some apparently untrustworthy employer.
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China6329 Posts
On January 02 2014 00:42 ICanFlyLow wrote:
Wow, its unfortunate that his team owner is a douchebag but why do you have to milk the viewers for money?
They didn't force you to donate, you can go away without donating, what's your problem with an incentive to help people?
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On January 02 2014 00:26 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 00:13 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 00:07 z0rz wrote:On January 02 2014 00:06 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 00:05 z0rz wrote:On January 01 2014 23:53 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players. EXACTLY. The community needs to WAKE UP. Stop indulging in this feel-good crap. This isn't what we should be doing, even though it's "nice" to do. Do you guys even know what this is about? HyuN is considering retiring after this fiasco. This isn't about the money; it's about reaching out to someone who poured his heart and soul into something and got screwed over for it in the end. Doing this in no way perpetuates the corrupt system. If the funds were somehow going back to Quantic or another corrupt team/owner, you'd have a point. This is just a sign of gratitude/appreciation for a beloved progamer, and by sharing this story and making it a big deal, we are effectively spreading the word and hopefully informing aspiring progamers on the potential pitfalls of their career path and ways they can protect themselves. "Professional athletes," as you refer to, have player unions and lawyers/managers to protect them. You can say the progamers are at fault for being naive and putting themselves in a position where they can be taken advantage of, but by saying that you're letting the shady organizations off the hook. Until a legit union is established, this is the best we can really do: support the players that we love and spread the word to prevent someone like Simon from continuing to exist in the industry and to hopefully inform other players of the possibilities. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this gesture. It's a get out of jail free card for Quantic. If we just give Hyun money, then Quantic's actions will be forgotten until the next time a scam comes up. The correct course of action is pursuing Simon/Quantic. Because you can't do both? No one here is talking about doing both. They just want Hyun to get some money. After that, all will be forgiven with Quantic. Then another Quantic scam will come up. It's just stupid. Would you rather Hyun retires and the Reddit/TL communities bring out their pitchforks to try and bring some guy "we" most likely will never be able to track down (because how the fuck would that even happen?) to justice? I'm all for making sure Simon pays everything he owes his players, but I feel that's more wishful thinking than helping Hyun out - something the community evidently is quite capable of doing. Giving Hyun money won't fix the mess nor will it prevent similar situations in the future, but neither will doing nothing and feeling good about being "mature". You also seem to underesimate the collective memory of the Starcraft II community in thinking that "all will be forgotten" past this stage. If you turn out to be a shady guy or an untrustworthy organisation, people stop trusting you. It's happened multiple times before, and I am pretty sure that screwing a fan favorite out of $23.000 in both salary and prize money isn't something that will be forgotten by next week.
I'm pretty sure the community could easily find out where he lives... Or has everyone forgotten that this isn't the first time Simon fucked over one of his players?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431056
He's building a reputation as a jackass, and IIRC MaSsan's skype conversation stated that he lived in Simon's house for a period of time, but the skype conversation was edited out of the OP, but is still somewhere in the thread. ~_~
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On January 02 2014 00:43 HeeroFX wrote:
That's cool. But really do we have to bail everyone out? I Could use help paying off my student loans maybe we could get Incontrol and Grubby to play each other for money for me.
Have you entertained and won the hearts of thousands of people?
We could all use a little help, but I don't see how it's so hard for people to accept that a fanbase could possibly want to give money to someone they support/appreciate.
"DAED GAEM DAED GA-- oh what's this, an extremely popular and talented player was screwed over and is considering retirement? AND HE'S ACCEPTING DONATIONS FROM FANS?
WHAT A GREEDY PRICK! WE DON'T NEED HIM! GOOD RIDDANCE!
WHY IS SC2 DYING?"
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Golden making things happen with Esports I like
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Liquid should pickup Golden. He would fit so good in this team <3
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On January 02 2014 00:55 eNjiin wrote:
Liquid should pickup Golden. He would fit so good in this team <3
He is retired and organizes tournaments until his military service in a year, also he already has sponsors. I don't think he needs a team 
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I'm not a fan of this. His situation suck and I feel bad for him but it's not like he is the only one in this kind of situation. The root of the problem needs to be taken care of before you start charity runs for 50 players and that is the contract. Does he not have one? I'm pretty sure he does...
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On January 02 2014 00:58 DwD wrote:
I'm not a fan of this. His situation suck and I feel bad for him but it's not like he is the only one in this kind of situation. The root of the problem needs to be taken care of before you start charity runs for 50 players and that is the contract. Does he not have one? I'm pretty sure he does...
So what you would say is, that HyuN should retire and we just do nothing. Because we can't do anything about the contract and neither can HyuN.
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Love it when Starcraft people come together like this. I'll be there.
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On January 02 2014 01:00 Serinox wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 00:58 DwD wrote:
I'm not a fan of this. His situation suck and I feel bad for him but it's not like he is the only one in this kind of situation. The root of the problem needs to be taken care of before you start charity runs for 50 players and that is the contract. Does he not have one? I'm pretty sure he does... So what you would say is, that HyuN should retire and we just do nothing. Because we can't do anything about the contract and neither can HyuN.
Why would he have to retire? Does retiring mean he gets his money back? First of I don't know why his winnings were deposited to his team manager and not him directly if his contract is worthless. I would never allow such a thing if I knew I couldn't bring the person to court.
Second, wasn't there plenty of warnings about this Simon/Quantic situation? With so many warnings it's even more confusing why he would allow this to happen. Yes he would still be out of his salary but I'm pretty sure that's nothing compared to his winning amount. Anyway it's possible we are going too much offtopic here, I just wanted to highlight the other X amount of players this has happened to. If this becomes a trend to bail out players we are gonna have a charity run every week and yes I know donating is completely optional.
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Bisutopia19225 Posts
Why do people need to be offended by this? I think this is awesome. Thanks golden and the players participating!
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On January 02 2014 01:04 DwD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 01:00 Serinox wrote:On January 02 2014 00:58 DwD wrote:
I'm not a fan of this. His situation suck and I feel bad for him but it's not like he is the only one in this kind of situation. The root of the problem needs to be taken care of before you start charity runs for 50 players and that is the contract. Does he not have one? I'm pretty sure he does... So what you would say is, that HyuN should retire and we just do nothing. Because we can't do anything about the contract and neither can HyuN. Why would he have to retire? Does retiring mean he gets his money back? First of I don't know why his winnings were deposited to his team manager and not him directly if his contract is worthless. I would never allow such a thing if I knew I couldn't bring the person to court. Second, wasn't there plenty of warnings about this Simon/Quantic situation? With so many warnings it's even more confusing why he would allow this to happen. Yes he would still be out of his salary but I'm pretty sure that's nothing compared to his winning amount. Anyway it's possible we are going too much offtopic here, I just wanted to highlight the other X amount of players this has happened to. If this becomes a trend to bail out players we are gonna have a charity run every week and yes I know donating is completely optional.
The SC2 community apparently does not like to think ahead for the future. They just do things based on emotion. Very few rational minds here.
"Oh Hyun got screwed over? Let's all donate to him instead of addressing the real problem!!!"
The players need to be smarter with their decision on teams. The community needs to be harder on teams that run scams. Quantic should have been destroyed a while ago. It blows my mind that Quantic was able to exist for so long.
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This is wonderful, but how about this SImon guy hiding with HyuN's money?
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On January 02 2014 01:04 DwD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 01:00 Serinox wrote:On January 02 2014 00:58 DwD wrote:
I'm not a fan of this. His situation suck and I feel bad for him but it's not like he is the only one in this kind of situation. The root of the problem needs to be taken care of before you start charity runs for 50 players and that is the contract. Does he not have one? I'm pretty sure he does... So what you would say is, that HyuN should retire and we just do nothing. Because we can't do anything about the contract and neither can HyuN. Why would he have to retire? Does retiring mean he gets his money back? First of I don't know why his winnings were deposited to his team manager and not him directly if his contract is worthless. I would never allow such a thing if I knew I couldn't bring the person to court. Second, wasn't there plenty of warnings about this Simon/Quantic situation? With so many warnings it's even more confusing why he would allow this to happen. Yes he would still be out of his salary but I'm pretty sure that's nothing compared to his winning amount. Anyway it's possible we are going too much offtopic here, I just wanted to highlight the other X amount of players this has happened to. If this becomes a trend to bail out players we are gonna have a charity run every week and yes I know donating is completely optional.
1. Basically HyuN said that he can't stay a progamer and has to retire without the money. The winnings of DreamHack are payed to whoever rightfully claims it, team or player. See also: http://www.dreamhack.se/dhs13/esport/prize-money-policy/
2. Well, he paid HyuN salary for 5 months, so HyuN probably thought it will be okay and that Simon will pay him. Probably a mix of goodwill and missing information by HyuN.
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Awesome initiative, and surprisingly these are some good players :D
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On January 02 2014 01:09 WetSocks wrote:
This is wonderful, but how about this SImon guy hiding with HyuN's money?
What about him? He disappeared and apparently nobody is able to find him.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 02 2014 01:08 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 01:04 DwD wrote:On January 02 2014 01:00 Serinox wrote:On January 02 2014 00:58 DwD wrote:
I'm not a fan of this. His situation suck and I feel bad for him but it's not like he is the only one in this kind of situation. The root of the problem needs to be taken care of before you start charity runs for 50 players and that is the contract. Does he not have one? I'm pretty sure he does... So what you would say is, that HyuN should retire and we just do nothing. Because we can't do anything about the contract and neither can HyuN. Why would he have to retire? Does retiring mean he gets his money back? First of I don't know why his winnings were deposited to his team manager and not him directly if his contract is worthless. I would never allow such a thing if I knew I couldn't bring the person to court. Second, wasn't there plenty of warnings about this Simon/Quantic situation? With so many warnings it's even more confusing why he would allow this to happen. Yes he would still be out of his salary but I'm pretty sure that's nothing compared to his winning amount. Anyway it's possible we are going too much offtopic here, I just wanted to highlight the other X amount of players this has happened to. If this becomes a trend to bail out players we are gonna have a charity run every week and yes I know donating is completely optional. "Oh Hyun got screwed over? Let's all donate to him instead of addressing the real problem!!!"
Hey, irrational person here. Please tell me how we "address" the real problem which, most of the time, is players making deals with untrustworthy people. Do we force the players to only accept deals from teams we, as a community, trust? Or how do you propose we "fix" the issue?
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On January 02 2014 01:12 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 01:08 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 01:04 DwD wrote:On January 02 2014 01:00 Serinox wrote:On January 02 2014 00:58 DwD wrote:
I'm not a fan of this. His situation suck and I feel bad for him but it's not like he is the only one in this kind of situation. The root of the problem needs to be taken care of before you start charity runs for 50 players and that is the contract. Does he not have one? I'm pretty sure he does... So what you would say is, that HyuN should retire and we just do nothing. Because we can't do anything about the contract and neither can HyuN. Why would he have to retire? Does retiring mean he gets his money back? First of I don't know why his winnings were deposited to his team manager and not him directly if his contract is worthless. I would never allow such a thing if I knew I couldn't bring the person to court. Second, wasn't there plenty of warnings about this Simon/Quantic situation? With so many warnings it's even more confusing why he would allow this to happen. Yes he would still be out of his salary but I'm pretty sure that's nothing compared to his winning amount. Anyway it's possible we are going too much offtopic here, I just wanted to highlight the other X amount of players this has happened to. If this becomes a trend to bail out players we are gonna have a charity run every week and yes I know donating is completely optional. "Oh Hyun got screwed over? Let's all donate to him instead of addressing the real problem!!!" Hey, irrational person here. Please tell me how we "address" the real problem which, most of the time, is players making deals with untrustworthy people. Do we force the players to only accept deals from teams we, as a community, trust? Or how do you propose we "fix" the issue?
Yes. If the Quantic/Massan incident was given bigger exposure and Quantic was put under more pressure, maybe Hyun would have woken the fuck up and said "Hmmm, Massan is getting fucked by Quantic. I haven't received any money from them. Maybe I should say something." Instead, he waited for 3 months after Simon had a chance to take all the money and disappear.
Can you imagine what would have happened if the Massan incident took place, then Hyun immediately spoke up and said he hadn't been paid? Giant SC2 shitstorm. Quantic under severe scrutiny.
But instead, the OP of that thread gets edited to make Quantic look like a fine organization that had a small misunderstanding and it all gets swept under the rug. (Critically, the Skype conversation between Massan and Simon was deleted, which was the biggest piece of evidence for Simon's unprofessional and shady conduct.) I even tried to contact Locodoco (Quantic LoL player) when Quantic's LoL team was formed to tell him not to trust Simon.
Funnily enough, Quantic didn't even qualify for LCS, so it ended up being fine for him.
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On January 02 2014 01:04 DwD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 01:00 Serinox wrote:On January 02 2014 00:58 DwD wrote:
I'm not a fan of this. His situation suck and I feel bad for him but it's not like he is the only one in this kind of situation. The root of the problem needs to be taken care of before you start charity runs for 50 players and that is the contract. Does he not have one? I'm pretty sure he does... So what you would say is, that HyuN should retire and we just do nothing. Because we can't do anything about the contract and neither can HyuN. Why would he have to retire? Does retiring mean he gets his money back? First of I don't know why his winnings were deposited to his team manager and not him directly if his contract is worthless. I would never allow such a thing if I knew I couldn't bring the person to court. Second, wasn't there plenty of warnings about this Simon/Quantic situation? With so many warnings it's even more confusing why he would allow this to happen. Yes he would still be out of his salary but I'm pretty sure that's nothing compared to his winning amount. Anyway it's possible we are going too much offtopic here, I just wanted to highlight the other X amount of players this has happened to. If this becomes a trend to bail out players we are gonna have a charity run every week and yes I know donating is completely optional.
I think you are completely missing the point.
No one is going to host a weekly charity run for all other players.
Ever wonder why hyun is the first and only one out of all these years of sc2?
And if you have read his post, you would know why he would want to retire.
Sometimes retirement isn't about getting back the money, I hope you know that.
as for the contract issue, do read up cloud's and nathanias' post.
Also the community (reddit) wanted a tournament before golden even proposed it.
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I'll do my best to be awake and watching. Good luck Hyun! I really hope Simon gets what he deserves, and I hope you get your money.
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I said that I would donate to pay for lawyers or someone capable of fixing this instead of giving it directly to hyun because i want Quantic's owner to pay what he owes, I don't want this situation to be forgiven. The scene needs professionalism from, players, teams, everyone making money. Unfortunately I have no idea how much would it cost but helping this way I think is better because might teach a lesson to current and future team owners that this is a serious business.
How hard is it going to be from now on for new teams to get sponsors?
Also I don't want HyuN to retire and lose 1 year of his life for nothing.
Edited: I will definitively be watching the matches
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This is awesome!
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Hyun fighting! Amazing! I'll be tuning in guaranteed.
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Very good indeed! Looking forward to watching this
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Golden I'm crying on the inside because of how thoughtful and amazing this is! (Also sad because i will be in school when you guys are doing this) HYUN FIGHTING!
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Has the team reported this to any sort of law enforcement at all? (The theft of Hyuns money I mean not the event). Im all for this event!
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Damn it Golden! You're so nice! HyuN fighting!!
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Thanks to Golden for such a nice initiative here! I quite like the bracket too :D
Best of luck to Hyun!
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 02 2014 01:15 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 01:12 Zealously wrote:On January 02 2014 01:08 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 01:04 DwD wrote:On January 02 2014 01:00 Serinox wrote:On January 02 2014 00:58 DwD wrote:
I'm not a fan of this. His situation suck and I feel bad for him but it's not like he is the only one in this kind of situation. The root of the problem needs to be taken care of before you start charity runs for 50 players and that is the contract. Does he not have one? I'm pretty sure he does... So what you would say is, that HyuN should retire and we just do nothing. Because we can't do anything about the contract and neither can HyuN. Why would he have to retire? Does retiring mean he gets his money back? First of I don't know why his winnings were deposited to his team manager and not him directly if his contract is worthless. I would never allow such a thing if I knew I couldn't bring the person to court. Second, wasn't there plenty of warnings about this Simon/Quantic situation? With so many warnings it's even more confusing why he would allow this to happen. Yes he would still be out of his salary but I'm pretty sure that's nothing compared to his winning amount. Anyway it's possible we are going too much offtopic here, I just wanted to highlight the other X amount of players this has happened to. If this becomes a trend to bail out players we are gonna have a charity run every week and yes I know donating is completely optional. "Oh Hyun got screwed over? Let's all donate to him instead of addressing the real problem!!!" Hey, irrational person here. Please tell me how we "address" the real problem which, most of the time, is players making deals with untrustworthy people. Do we force the players to only accept deals from teams we, as a community, trust? Or how do you propose we "fix" the issue? Yes. If the Quantic/Massan incident was given bigger exposure and Quantic was put under more pressure, maybe Hyun would have woken the fuck up and said "Hmmm, Massan is getting fucked by Quantic. I haven't received any money from them. Maybe I should say something." Instead, he waited for 3 months after Simon had a chance to take all the money and disappear. Can you imagine what would have happened if the Massan incident took place, then Hyun immediately spoke up and said he hadn't been paid? Giant SC2 shitstorm. Quantic under severe scrutiny. But instead, the OP of that thread gets edited to make Quantic look like a fine organization that had a small misunderstanding and it all gets swept under the rug. (Critically, the Skype conversation between Massan and Simon was deleted, which was the biggest piece of evidence for Simon's unprofessional and shady conduct.) I even tried to contact Locodoco (Quantic LoL player) when Quantic's LoL team was formed to tell him not to trust Simon. Funnily enough, Quantic didn't even qualify for LCS, so it ended up being fine for him.
The issue here is that historically, many Korean players (and players in general) have proven to be very gullible. Cloud mentioned in another thread that being given the offer to do what you love for a living is too good to pass up for many and that it leaves you unwilling to potentially ruin the chance of your life. This leads to making unfavorable deals with shady people with just the hope that they'll come through for you in the end.
And I wouldn't be too surprised if Hyun knew about the Massan incident but figured "Hey, I've been paid and I've gotten a fair share of the money, I'm sure I will get the rest later. I don't want to ruin my relation with the team". The language and distance barriers along with any cultural differences that may exist no doubt exist seem to make many Korean players hesitant to pressure the people supposed to be paying them. This isn't an issue we can fix, and while Hyun not being paid isn't either, we can at least do something direct to help Hyun stay in the scene and leave the legal action to the people who actually know their way around such things, instead of providing backseat advice on how to "fix" an issue where we're not even completely sure what exactly happened.
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On January 02 2014 01:15 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 01:12 Zealously wrote:On January 02 2014 01:08 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 01:04 DwD wrote:On January 02 2014 01:00 Serinox wrote:On January 02 2014 00:58 DwD wrote:
I'm not a fan of this. His situation suck and I feel bad for him but it's not like he is the only one in this kind of situation. The root of the problem needs to be taken care of before you start charity runs for 50 players and that is the contract. Does he not have one? I'm pretty sure he does... So what you would say is, that HyuN should retire and we just do nothing. Because we can't do anything about the contract and neither can HyuN. Why would he have to retire? Does retiring mean he gets his money back? First of I don't know why his winnings were deposited to his team manager and not him directly if his contract is worthless. I would never allow such a thing if I knew I couldn't bring the person to court. Second, wasn't there plenty of warnings about this Simon/Quantic situation? With so many warnings it's even more confusing why he would allow this to happen. Yes he would still be out of his salary but I'm pretty sure that's nothing compared to his winning amount. Anyway it's possible we are going too much offtopic here, I just wanted to highlight the other X amount of players this has happened to. If this becomes a trend to bail out players we are gonna have a charity run every week and yes I know donating is completely optional. "Oh Hyun got screwed over? Let's all donate to him instead of addressing the real problem!!!" Hey, irrational person here. Please tell me how we "address" the real problem which, most of the time, is players making deals with untrustworthy people. Do we force the players to only accept deals from teams we, as a community, trust? Or how do you propose we "fix" the issue? Yes. If the Quantic/Massan incident was given bigger exposure and Quantic was put under more pressure, maybe Hyun would have woken the fuck up and said "Hmmm, Massan is getting fucked by Quantic. I haven't received any money from them. Maybe I should say something." Instead, he waited for 3 months after Simon had a chance to take all the money and disappear. Can you imagine what would have happened if the Massan incident took place, then Hyun immediately spoke up and said he hadn't been paid? Giant SC2 shitstorm. Quantic under severe scrutiny. But instead, the OP of that thread gets edited to make Quantic look like a fine organization that had a small misunderstanding and it all gets swept under the rug. (Critically, the Skype conversation between Massan and Simon was deleted, which was the biggest piece of evidence for Simon's unprofessional and shady conduct.) I even tried to contact Locodoco (Quantic LoL player) when Quantic's LoL team was formed to tell him not to trust Simon. Funnily enough, Quantic didn't even qualify for LCS, so it ended up being fine for him.
Then Quantic might have died earlier and another Quantic case would happen anyway in the future. You're both missing the big and the small picture:
- the system needs more rules and organisations to control -> better contract? players' union? many ideas suggested but it will take a lot of time and competent people
- some people want Hyun to stay in the scene -> this donation
In the mean time the community could/should be firing shots at Quantic and taking actions against the owner but it just doesn't have the mean to do anything directly (yet?).
Do you know the terms of Hyun's contract?
Do you know how much hiring a lawyer and a translator for Hyun would cost?
Do you know where Quantic's owner is?
What if he can't pay?
Go ask and see for yourself if you get an answer if you're so infuriated by the situation and think you can handle the case. I sure don't.
Most of us are powerless for now. Some are doing what they can in the mean time. Deal with it. You're the one who needs to wake up. This is not an ideal world where taking people to court/waving your hands while talking big principles and putting people on the spot will instantly solve issues or turn bad/uneducated/immature people into good one.
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Great work from everyone involved!
I really hope someone will find the guy who stole HyuNs money.
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On January 02 2014 00:50 z0rz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 00:43 HeeroFX wrote:
That's cool. But really do we have to bail everyone out? I Could use help paying off my student loans maybe we could get Incontrol and Grubby to play each other for money for me. Have you entertained and won the hearts of thousands of people? We could all use a little help, but I don't see how it's so hard for people to accept that a fanbase could possibly want to give money to someone they support/appreciate. "DAED GAEM DAED GA-- oh what's this, an extremely popular and talented player was screwed over and is considering retirement? AND HE'S ACCEPTING DONATIONS FROM FANS? WHAT A GREEDY PRICK! WE DON'T NEED HIM! GOOD RIDDANCE! No but I got a real degree so I could support myself instead of play a video game. We make choices in life and some people are meant to die, some are meant to live. WHY IS SC2 DYING?"
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On January 02 2014 01:51 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 01:15 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 01:12 Zealously wrote:On January 02 2014 01:08 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 01:04 DwD wrote:On January 02 2014 01:00 Serinox wrote:On January 02 2014 00:58 DwD wrote:
I'm not a fan of this. His situation suck and I feel bad for him but it's not like he is the only one in this kind of situation. The root of the problem needs to be taken care of before you start charity runs for 50 players and that is the contract. Does he not have one? I'm pretty sure he does... So what you would say is, that HyuN should retire and we just do nothing. Because we can't do anything about the contract and neither can HyuN. Why would he have to retire? Does retiring mean he gets his money back? First of I don't know why his winnings were deposited to his team manager and not him directly if his contract is worthless. I would never allow such a thing if I knew I couldn't bring the person to court. Second, wasn't there plenty of warnings about this Simon/Quantic situation? With so many warnings it's even more confusing why he would allow this to happen. Yes he would still be out of his salary but I'm pretty sure that's nothing compared to his winning amount. Anyway it's possible we are going too much offtopic here, I just wanted to highlight the other X amount of players this has happened to. If this becomes a trend to bail out players we are gonna have a charity run every week and yes I know donating is completely optional. "Oh Hyun got screwed over? Let's all donate to him instead of addressing the real problem!!!" Hey, irrational person here. Please tell me how we "address" the real problem which, most of the time, is players making deals with untrustworthy people. Do we force the players to only accept deals from teams we, as a community, trust? Or how do you propose we "fix" the issue? Yes. If the Quantic/Massan incident was given bigger exposure and Quantic was put under more pressure, maybe Hyun would have woken the fuck up and said "Hmmm, Massan is getting fucked by Quantic. I haven't received any money from them. Maybe I should say something." Instead, he waited for 3 months after Simon had a chance to take all the money and disappear. Can you imagine what would have happened if the Massan incident took place, then Hyun immediately spoke up and said he hadn't been paid? Giant SC2 shitstorm. Quantic under severe scrutiny. But instead, the OP of that thread gets edited to make Quantic look like a fine organization that had a small misunderstanding and it all gets swept under the rug. (Critically, the Skype conversation between Massan and Simon was deleted, which was the biggest piece of evidence for Simon's unprofessional and shady conduct.) I even tried to contact Locodoco (Quantic LoL player) when Quantic's LoL team was formed to tell him not to trust Simon. Funnily enough, Quantic didn't even qualify for LCS, so it ended up being fine for him. The issue here is that historically, many Korean players (and players in general) have proven to be very gullible. Cloud mentioned in another thread that being given the offer to do what you love for a living is too good to pass up for many and that it leaves you unwilling to potentially ruin the chance of your life. This leads to making unfavorable deals with shady people with just the hope that they'll come through for you in the end. And I wouldn't be too surprised if Hyun knew about the Massan incident but figured "Hey, I've been paid and I've gotten a fair share of the money, I'm sure I will get the rest later. I don't want to ruin my relation with the team". The language and distance barriers along with any cultural differences that may exist no doubt exist seem to make many Korean players hesitant to pressure the people supposed to be paying them. This isn't an issue we can fix, and while Hyun not being paid isn't either, we can at least do something direct to help Hyun stay in the scene and leave the legal action to the people who actually know their way around such things, instead of providing backseat advice on how to "fix" an issue where we're not even completely sure what exactly happened.
Yes I agree. We can't fix the fact that people will always try to scam. We can't fix gullible people. We can't fix language barriers.
But the fact that Quantic was allowed to walk away completely free after the Massan incident and Simon's history of shady conduct in other games is beyond ridiculous. No one reached out to Massan, Hyun, the rest of the Quantic players, the newly acquired (VERY shady) Quantic LoL team. We just let it all slide and Simon was able to disappear freely. That is a failure of the community for not putting more pressure on Quantic.
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On January 02 2014 00:06 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 00:05 z0rz wrote:On January 01 2014 23:53 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players. EXACTLY. The community needs to WAKE UP. Stop indulging in this feel-good crap. This isn't what we should be doing, even though it's "nice" to do. Do you guys even know what this is about? HyuN is considering retiring after this fiasco. This isn't about the money; it's about reaching out to someone who poured his heart and soul into something and got screwed over for it in the end. Doing this in no way perpetuates the corrupt system. If the funds were somehow going back to Quantic or another corrupt team/owner, you'd have a point. This is just a sign of gratitude/appreciation for a beloved progamer, and by sharing this story and making it a big deal, we are effectively spreading the word and hopefully informing aspiring progamers on the potential pitfalls of their career path and ways they can protect themselves. "Professional athletes," as you refer to, have player unions and lawyers/managers to protect them. You can say the progamers are at fault for being naive and putting themselves in a position where they can be taken advantage of, but by saying that you're letting the shady organizations off the hook. Until a legit union is established, this is the best we can really do: support the players that we love and spread the word to prevent someone like Simon from continuing to exist in the industry and to hopefully inform other players of the possibilities. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this gesture. It's a get out of jail free card for Quantic. If we just give Hyun money, then Quantic's actions will be forgotten until the next time a scam comes up. The correct course of action is pursuing Simon/Quantic.
This event in no way erases Quantic's obligation to Hyun...This is just a charity event to help a player who needs this badly to keep his passion in gaming. Quantic isn't off the hook because Golden decided to continue to be awesome
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On January 02 2014 01:54 PPN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 01:15 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 01:12 Zealously wrote:On January 02 2014 01:08 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 01:04 DwD wrote:On January 02 2014 01:00 Serinox wrote:On January 02 2014 00:58 DwD wrote:
I'm not a fan of this. His situation suck and I feel bad for him but it's not like he is the only one in this kind of situation. The root of the problem needs to be taken care of before you start charity runs for 50 players and that is the contract. Does he not have one? I'm pretty sure he does... So what you would say is, that HyuN should retire and we just do nothing. Because we can't do anything about the contract and neither can HyuN. Why would he have to retire? Does retiring mean he gets his money back? First of I don't know why his winnings were deposited to his team manager and not him directly if his contract is worthless. I would never allow such a thing if I knew I couldn't bring the person to court. Second, wasn't there plenty of warnings about this Simon/Quantic situation? With so many warnings it's even more confusing why he would allow this to happen. Yes he would still be out of his salary but I'm pretty sure that's nothing compared to his winning amount. Anyway it's possible we are going too much offtopic here, I just wanted to highlight the other X amount of players this has happened to. If this becomes a trend to bail out players we are gonna have a charity run every week and yes I know donating is completely optional. "Oh Hyun got screwed over? Let's all donate to him instead of addressing the real problem!!!" Hey, irrational person here. Please tell me how we "address" the real problem which, most of the time, is players making deals with untrustworthy people. Do we force the players to only accept deals from teams we, as a community, trust? Or how do you propose we "fix" the issue? Yes. If the Quantic/Massan incident was given bigger exposure and Quantic was put under more pressure, maybe Hyun would have woken the fuck up and said "Hmmm, Massan is getting fucked by Quantic. I haven't received any money from them. Maybe I should say something." Instead, he waited for 3 months after Simon had a chance to take all the money and disappear. Can you imagine what would have happened if the Massan incident took place, then Hyun immediately spoke up and said he hadn't been paid? Giant SC2 shitstorm. Quantic under severe scrutiny. But instead, the OP of that thread gets edited to make Quantic look like a fine organization that had a small misunderstanding and it all gets swept under the rug. (Critically, the Skype conversation between Massan and Simon was deleted, which was the biggest piece of evidence for Simon's unprofessional and shady conduct.) I even tried to contact Locodoco (Quantic LoL player) when Quantic's LoL team was formed to tell him not to trust Simon. Funnily enough, Quantic didn't even qualify for LCS, so it ended up being fine for him. Then Quantic might have died earlier and another Quantic case would happen anyway in the future. You're both missing the big and the small picture: - the system needs more rules and organisations to control -> better contract? players' union? many ideas suggested but it will take a lot of time and competent people - some people want Hyun to stay in the scene -> this donation In the mean time the community could/should be firing shots at Quantic and taking actions against the owner but it just doesn't have the mean to do anything directly (yet?). Do you know the terms of Hyun's contract? Do you know how much hiring a lawyer and a translator for Hyun would cost? Do you know where Quantic's owner is? What if he can't pay? Go ask and see for yourself if you get an answer if you're so infuriated by the situation and think you can handle the case. I sure don't. Most of us are powerless for now. Some are doing what they can in the mean time. Deal with it. You're the one who needs to wake up. This is not an ideal world where taking people to court/waving your hands while talking big principles and putting people on the spot will instantly solve issues or turn bad/uneducated/immature people into good one.
This isn't even about legal proceedings. This should have been dealt with before Simon had a chance to disappear. Now he is completely free. It's the fault of the community for letting Quantic go right after the Massan incident. Not being critical enough of Quantic Simon's actions/history.
The community is too SOFT and NAIVE. Right after Simon payed Massan back, everything went back to normal. Quantic was viewed as an upstanding organization.
Edit: Yes I am talking about the microscopic scale. On the macroscopic scale, yes a player union/organization needs to be formed. I agree completely. But that is unrealistic as of right now.
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On January 02 2014 01:56 HeeroFX wrote:
No but I got a real degree so I could support myself instead of play a video game. We make choices in life and some people are meant to die, some are meant to live.
W-what? Did you just belittle progamers on a gaming forum?
Why are you even here?
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On January 02 2014 01:59 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 01:54 PPN wrote:On January 02 2014 01:15 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 01:12 Zealously wrote:On January 02 2014 01:08 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 01:04 DwD wrote:On January 02 2014 01:00 Serinox wrote:On January 02 2014 00:58 DwD wrote:
I'm not a fan of this. His situation suck and I feel bad for him but it's not like he is the only one in this kind of situation. The root of the problem needs to be taken care of before you start charity runs for 50 players and that is the contract. Does he not have one? I'm pretty sure he does... So what you would say is, that HyuN should retire and we just do nothing. Because we can't do anything about the contract and neither can HyuN. Why would he have to retire? Does retiring mean he gets his money back? First of I don't know why his winnings were deposited to his team manager and not him directly if his contract is worthless. I would never allow such a thing if I knew I couldn't bring the person to court. Second, wasn't there plenty of warnings about this Simon/Quantic situation? With so many warnings it's even more confusing why he would allow this to happen. Yes he would still be out of his salary but I'm pretty sure that's nothing compared to his winning amount. Anyway it's possible we are going too much offtopic here, I just wanted to highlight the other X amount of players this has happened to. If this becomes a trend to bail out players we are gonna have a charity run every week and yes I know donating is completely optional. "Oh Hyun got screwed over? Let's all donate to him instead of addressing the real problem!!!" Hey, irrational person here. Please tell me how we "address" the real problem which, most of the time, is players making deals with untrustworthy people. Do we force the players to only accept deals from teams we, as a community, trust? Or how do you propose we "fix" the issue? Yes. If the Quantic/Massan incident was given bigger exposure and Quantic was put under more pressure, maybe Hyun would have woken the fuck up and said "Hmmm, Massan is getting fucked by Quantic. I haven't received any money from them. Maybe I should say something." Instead, he waited for 3 months after Simon had a chance to take all the money and disappear. Can you imagine what would have happened if the Massan incident took place, then Hyun immediately spoke up and said he hadn't been paid? Giant SC2 shitstorm. Quantic under severe scrutiny. But instead, the OP of that thread gets edited to make Quantic look like a fine organization that had a small misunderstanding and it all gets swept under the rug. (Critically, the Skype conversation between Massan and Simon was deleted, which was the biggest piece of evidence for Simon's unprofessional and shady conduct.) I even tried to contact Locodoco (Quantic LoL player) when Quantic's LoL team was formed to tell him not to trust Simon. Funnily enough, Quantic didn't even qualify for LCS, so it ended up being fine for him. Then Quantic might have died earlier and another Quantic case would happen anyway in the future. You're both missing the big and the small picture: - the system needs more rules and organisations to control -> better contract? players' union? many ideas suggested but it will take a lot of time and competent people - some people want Hyun to stay in the scene -> this donation In the mean time the community could/should be firing shots at Quantic and taking actions against the owner but it just doesn't have the mean to do anything directly (yet?). Do you know the terms of Hyun's contract? Do you know how much hiring a lawyer and a translator for Hyun would cost? Do you know where Quantic's owner is? What if he can't pay? Go ask and see for yourself if you get an answer if you're so infuriated by the situation and think you can handle the case. I sure don't. Most of us are powerless for now. Some are doing what they can in the mean time. Deal with it. You're the one who needs to wake up. This is not an ideal world where taking people to court/waving your hands while talking big principles and putting people on the spot will instantly solve issues or turn bad/uneducated/immature people into good one. This isn't even about legal proceedings. This should have been dealt with before Simon had a chance to disappear. Now he is completely free. It's the fault of the community for letting Quantic go right after the Massan incident. Not being critical enough of Quantic Simon's actions/history. The community is too SOFT and NAIVE. Right after Simon payed Massan back, everything went back to normal. Quantic was viewed as an upstanding organization. Edit: Yes I am talking about the microscopic scale. On the macroscopic scale, yes a player union/organization needs to be formed. I agree completely. But that is unrealistic as of right now.
Man until the player's union thing I thought I was reading an article on FOX News. You seem to be overestimating what a bunch of angry people on TL can do about the fact that Quantic is a shady organization. Not everyone thought they were "upstanding" but the vast majority of people on this site don't have connections or channels through which to contact a player/team/organization directly. While we would all love to see Simon found and made to pay everything that is owed and then be unceremoniously be booted from esports forever most of that work needs to be done by the Quantic organization and Hyun himself. In the meantime, the community will do what it CAN do to help, which in this case is having a small, fun event designed to show a few good SC2 games with enjoyable casts as well as donating whatever they deem appropriate to Hyun.
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Does anyone know if the police has been contacted, I mean this is clearly theft/fraud and that is a substantial amount of money.
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On January 02 2014 01:08 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 01:04 DwD wrote:On January 02 2014 01:00 Serinox wrote:On January 02 2014 00:58 DwD wrote:
I'm not a fan of this. His situation suck and I feel bad for him but it's not like he is the only one in this kind of situation. The root of the problem needs to be taken care of before you start charity runs for 50 players and that is the contract. Does he not have one? I'm pretty sure he does... So what you would say is, that HyuN should retire and we just do nothing. Because we can't do anything about the contract and neither can HyuN. Why would he have to retire? Does retiring mean he gets his money back? First of I don't know why his winnings were deposited to his team manager and not him directly if his contract is worthless. I would never allow such a thing if I knew I couldn't bring the person to court. Second, wasn't there plenty of warnings about this Simon/Quantic situation? With so many warnings it's even more confusing why he would allow this to happen. Yes he would still be out of his salary but I'm pretty sure that's nothing compared to his winning amount. Anyway it's possible we are going too much offtopic here, I just wanted to highlight the other X amount of players this has happened to. If this becomes a trend to bail out players we are gonna have a charity run every week and yes I know donating is completely optional. The SC2 community apparently does not like to think ahead for the future. They just do things based on emotion. Very few rational minds here. "Oh Hyun got screwed over? Let's all donate to him instead of addressing the real problem!!!" The players need to be smarter with their decision on teams. The community needs to be harder on teams that run scams. Quantic should have been destroyed a while ago. It blows my mind that Quantic was able to exist for so long.
While I agree that Quantic should have not been trusted for a long time, you're the one adding the "instead". Helping Hyun does not mean anyone endorse what happened and/or is disallowed to think about a solution to the core issue at the same time.
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On January 02 2014 01:59 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 01:54 PPN wrote:On January 02 2014 01:15 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 01:12 Zealously wrote:On January 02 2014 01:08 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 01:04 DwD wrote:On January 02 2014 01:00 Serinox wrote:On January 02 2014 00:58 DwD wrote:
I'm not a fan of this. His situation suck and I feel bad for him but it's not like he is the only one in this kind of situation. The root of the problem needs to be taken care of before you start charity runs for 50 players and that is the contract. Does he not have one? I'm pretty sure he does... So what you would say is, that HyuN should retire and we just do nothing. Because we can't do anything about the contract and neither can HyuN. Why would he have to retire? Does retiring mean he gets his money back? First of I don't know why his winnings were deposited to his team manager and not him directly if his contract is worthless. I would never allow such a thing if I knew I couldn't bring the person to court. Second, wasn't there plenty of warnings about this Simon/Quantic situation? With so many warnings it's even more confusing why he would allow this to happen. Yes he would still be out of his salary but I'm pretty sure that's nothing compared to his winning amount. Anyway it's possible we are going too much offtopic here, I just wanted to highlight the other X amount of players this has happened to. If this becomes a trend to bail out players we are gonna have a charity run every week and yes I know donating is completely optional. "Oh Hyun got screwed over? Let's all donate to him instead of addressing the real problem!!!" Hey, irrational person here. Please tell me how we "address" the real problem which, most of the time, is players making deals with untrustworthy people. Do we force the players to only accept deals from teams we, as a community, trust? Or how do you propose we "fix" the issue? Yes. If the Quantic/Massan incident was given bigger exposure and Quantic was put under more pressure, maybe Hyun would have woken the fuck up and said "Hmmm, Massan is getting fucked by Quantic. I haven't received any money from them. Maybe I should say something." Instead, he waited for 3 months after Simon had a chance to take all the money and disappear. Can you imagine what would have happened if the Massan incident took place, then Hyun immediately spoke up and said he hadn't been paid? Giant SC2 shitstorm. Quantic under severe scrutiny. But instead, the OP of that thread gets edited to make Quantic look like a fine organization that had a small misunderstanding and it all gets swept under the rug. (Critically, the Skype conversation between Massan and Simon was deleted, which was the biggest piece of evidence for Simon's unprofessional and shady conduct.) I even tried to contact Locodoco (Quantic LoL player) when Quantic's LoL team was formed to tell him not to trust Simon. Funnily enough, Quantic didn't even qualify for LCS, so it ended up being fine for him. Then Quantic might have died earlier and another Quantic case would happen anyway in the future. You're both missing the big and the small picture: - the system needs more rules and organisations to control -> better contract? players' union? many ideas suggested but it will take a lot of time and competent people - some people want Hyun to stay in the scene -> this donation In the mean time the community could/should be firing shots at Quantic and taking actions against the owner but it just doesn't have the mean to do anything directly (yet?). Do you know the terms of Hyun's contract? Do you know how much hiring a lawyer and a translator for Hyun would cost? Do you know where Quantic's owner is? What if he can't pay? Go ask and see for yourself if you get an answer if you're so infuriated by the situation and think you can handle the case. I sure don't. Most of us are powerless for now. Some are doing what they can in the mean time. Deal with it. You're the one who needs to wake up. This is not an ideal world where taking people to court/waving your hands while talking big principles and putting people on the spot will instantly solve issues or turn bad/uneducated/immature people into good one. This isn't even about legal proceedings. This should have been dealt with before Simon had a chance to disappear. Now he is completely free. It's the fault of the community for letting Quantic go right after the Massan incident. Not being critical enough of Quantic Simon's actions/history. The community is too SOFT and NAIVE. Right after Simon payed Massan back, everything went back to normal. Quantic was viewed as an upstanding organization. Edit: Yes I am talking about the microscopic scale. On the macroscopic scale, yes a player union/organization needs to be formed. I agree completely. But that is unrealistic as of right now.
Soft maybe, naive I don't think so. It may actually just be a sign of how conscious the community is about the fact that it cannot truly do anything and it's up to the profesionnals involved directly in the matter to address the issues. After the MasSan incident, we could all have been angry at Quantic, boycott their streams/goodies/events, telling the sponsors or the players to move on. We might have been able to "kill" Quantic earlier and then? With one less scumbag and potentially many more to take its place, would the situation be really that different from now?
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Sounds like a great time!
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I don't know why you are even wasting your time answering people who think that helping a player in difficulty is bad because it means we are forgiving Quantic or Hyun's "naivety". Probably just some 14 years old attention whores.
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Hyun and Golden casting is great ! Also golden is an amazing person <3
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On January 02 2014 02:36 KingAlphard wrote:
I don't know why you are even wasting your time answering people who think that helping a player in difficulty is bad because it means we are forgiving Quantic or Hyun's "naivety". Probably just some 14 years old attention whores.
You should check your reading comprehension if you think that's what we're saying. Your location says Italy so I will forgive you since English is probably not your native tongue.
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lets show what this community is made of!
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Brb, giving my life savings to Hyun and Golden <3
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Great Idea, you are the man Golden.
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On January 02 2014 00:58 DwD wrote:
I'm not a fan of this. His situation suck and I feel bad for him but it's not like he is the only one in this kind of situation. The root of the problem needs to be taken care of before you start charity runs for 50 players and that is the contract. Does he not have one? I'm pretty sure he does...
You are basically saying "let's don't help him and let him rot", what's the problem with these people? "There are more problems out there so let's don't fix this one while we can". Cool.
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On January 02 2014 00:06 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 00:05 z0rz wrote:On January 01 2014 23:53 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players. EXACTLY. The community needs to WAKE UP. Stop indulging in this feel-good crap. This isn't what we should be doing, even though it's "nice" to do. Do you guys even know what this is about? HyuN is considering retiring after this fiasco. This isn't about the money; it's about reaching out to someone who poured his heart and soul into something and got screwed over for it in the end. Doing this in no way perpetuates the corrupt system. If the funds were somehow going back to Quantic or another corrupt team/owner, you'd have a point. This is just a sign of gratitude/appreciation for a beloved progamer, and by sharing this story and making it a big deal, we are effectively spreading the word and hopefully informing aspiring progamers on the potential pitfalls of their career path and ways they can protect themselves. "Professional athletes," as you refer to, have player unions and lawyers/managers to protect them. You can say the progamers are at fault for being naive and putting themselves in a position where they can be taken advantage of, but by saying that you're letting the shady organizations off the hook. Until a legit union is established, this is the best we can really do: support the players that we love and spread the word to prevent someone like Simon from continuing to exist in the industry and to hopefully inform other players of the possibilities. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this gesture. It's a get out of jail free card for Quantic. If we just give Hyun money, then Quantic's actions will be forgotten until the next time a scam comes up. The correct course of action is pursuing Simon/Quantic.
Why can't you do both?
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On January 02 2014 03:18 SebaZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 00:06 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 00:05 z0rz wrote:On January 01 2014 23:53 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players. EXACTLY. The community needs to WAKE UP. Stop indulging in this feel-good crap. This isn't what we should be doing, even though it's "nice" to do. Do you guys even know what this is about? HyuN is considering retiring after this fiasco. This isn't about the money; it's about reaching out to someone who poured his heart and soul into something and got screwed over for it in the end. Doing this in no way perpetuates the corrupt system. If the funds were somehow going back to Quantic or another corrupt team/owner, you'd have a point. This is just a sign of gratitude/appreciation for a beloved progamer, and by sharing this story and making it a big deal, we are effectively spreading the word and hopefully informing aspiring progamers on the potential pitfalls of their career path and ways they can protect themselves. "Professional athletes," as you refer to, have player unions and lawyers/managers to protect them. You can say the progamers are at fault for being naive and putting themselves in a position where they can be taken advantage of, but by saying that you're letting the shady organizations off the hook. Until a legit union is established, this is the best we can really do: support the players that we love and spread the word to prevent someone like Simon from continuing to exist in the industry and to hopefully inform other players of the possibilities. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this gesture. It's a get out of jail free card for Quantic. If we just give Hyun money, then Quantic's actions will be forgotten until the next time a scam comes up. The correct course of action is pursuing Simon/Quantic. Why can't you do both?
I think many people aren't annoyed that this even for Hyun is going down per se. They just see it as relatively unimportant, that not enough attention (if any) is being focused on stopping things like this from continuing to happen.
Which begs the question: Is there anything the SC2 community can do to prevent stuff like this from happening?
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A golden opportunity to tune in and see some unity in this community. I just hope this leads to some continuity because truthfully this ingenuity leaves me with feelings of contiguity!
*Sorry, it's been a long day, lol*
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You're just awesome Golden.
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On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:
I posted this on Reddit, Ill just post it again here:
Not to be a Grinch or anything here, but I really think this is a bad idea.
Many players throughout eSports' history are owed money. Staff too. Many of them are owed a lot more money than HyuN here. I do not think people should donate to HyuN simply because he is the latest case.
Presumably, HyuN has a contract with Quantic, one he should have taken action on during those months where he wasn't being paid. Obviously, Quantic did not fulfill their side of the agreement, and HyuN should have taken action during the first sight of trouble, not now months later after Simon has "disappeared". What HyuN should be doing is contacting a lawyer and following the proper channels, not allowing the community to donate and let this situation continue.
By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players.
My sincere advice is for players who start earning money, to find themselves a personal manager with some experience. Andrew Tomlinson is one such manager, he works with viOlet and Polt. You should also get a financial advisor.
Also, for players who are in similar situations or might face a similar situation, do not wait until months after you are owed money, and you lose contact to the person who owes you said money to say something. Talk to people in the scene, there are friendly people with experience dealing with these matters who I am sure would be willing to at least give you some direction as to how to take action for yourself. At the very least, tell someone, even if it is a news outlet. Yeah it might sound like a bad situation, but the end result is one like this where HyuN is owed a significant amount of money, much like other notable professional players.
I just hope this HyuN situation is a wake-up call for other players: You are not children, you are "professional athletes" for all intents and purposes. This is your career, you should take an active role in managing it. Hire a manager and financial advisor. These are not insignificant amounts of money you are earning. Treating your career like a pastime and letting other people who do not have your best interests at heart, is a stupid idea, and this is what results of that. Wake up.
This logic is such a fail it's ridiculous. That is like saying don't support a rape victim because it will let the rapist off the hook? First of all, international litigation will cost lots of money, lots of money Hyun most likely doesn't have. His team, who is the financial support and legal body that is supposed to help Hyun in situations like this, are the ones who fucked him over. So literally all of the channels of support or shut down here. The community giving back to a player who has given them something in no way lets Quantic off the hook. That's up to Hyun to decide, because he's the one who got fucked over. You didn't get 23k stolen from you, so it's not fucking up to you to decide what Hyun should or shouldn't do. If giving Hyun $5 from however more people show up actually comes out to a decent sum of money, and he decides to pursue this in a legal way, so be it. But if he doesn't, but his story getting publicity informs people of things like this in the future? So be it. But it's not up to some Reddit poster, or TL Forum poster to decide what the hell Hyun should or shouldn't do with his finances.
But damn man don't punish Hyun because other people in the past have lost money also. If the community wants to give back a player they support and love to watch play, why should you stop them? I don't see you volunteering to run down a Lawyer for Hyun, I don't see you volunteering hours of your time to figure out the situation and set him up with a plan for legal action. So you have no right to try and tell everyone, including Hyun, what they should or shouldn't do, to be honest. And the logic used in your argument is just absurd, try and apply that to any other case or someone getting completely fucked over and see how it plays out. And then put yourself in that situationk, where someone overseas, in a language you don't speak, disappears and breaks a contract with you. Lets see how well you would handle it.
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On January 02 2014 03:35 ArTiFaKs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:
I posted this on Reddit, Ill just post it again here:
Not to be a Grinch or anything here, but I really think this is a bad idea.
Many players throughout eSports' history are owed money. Staff too. Many of them are owed a lot more money than HyuN here. I do not think people should donate to HyuN simply because he is the latest case.
Presumably, HyuN has a contract with Quantic, one he should have taken action on during those months where he wasn't being paid. Obviously, Quantic did not fulfill their side of the agreement, and HyuN should have taken action during the first sight of trouble, not now months later after Simon has "disappeared". What HyuN should be doing is contacting a lawyer and following the proper channels, not allowing the community to donate and let this situation continue.
By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players.
My sincere advice is for players who start earning money, to find themselves a personal manager with some experience. Andrew Tomlinson is one such manager, he works with viOlet and Polt. You should also get a financial advisor.
Also, for players who are in similar situations or might face a similar situation, do not wait until months after you are owed money, and you lose contact to the person who owes you said money to say something. Talk to people in the scene, there are friendly people with experience dealing with these matters who I am sure would be willing to at least give you some direction as to how to take action for yourself. At the very least, tell someone, even if it is a news outlet. Yeah it might sound like a bad situation, but the end result is one like this where HyuN is owed a significant amount of money, much like other notable professional players.
I just hope this HyuN situation is a wake-up call for other players: You are not children, you are "professional athletes" for all intents and purposes. This is your career, you should take an active role in managing it. Hire a manager and financial advisor. These are not insignificant amounts of money you are earning. Treating your career like a pastime and letting other people who do not have your best interests at heart, is a stupid idea, and this is what results of that. Wake up. This logic is such a fail it's ridiculous. That is like saying don't support a rape victim because it will let the rapist off the hook?
this analogy is such a fail it's ridiculous.
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Why does this community look for the negative in every situation and then wonder why "sc2 is dying" and gaming gets a bad rep?
Thank you Golden. This is really cool and thoughtful. GL to all competitors, Golden, and Hyun!
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On January 02 2014 03:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 03:35 ArTiFaKs wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:
I posted this on Reddit, Ill just post it again here:
Not to be a Grinch or anything here, but I really think this is a bad idea.
Many players throughout eSports' history are owed money. Staff too. Many of them are owed a lot more money than HyuN here. I do not think people should donate to HyuN simply because he is the latest case.
Presumably, HyuN has a contract with Quantic, one he should have taken action on during those months where he wasn't being paid. Obviously, Quantic did not fulfill their side of the agreement, and HyuN should have taken action during the first sight of trouble, not now months later after Simon has "disappeared". What HyuN should be doing is contacting a lawyer and following the proper channels, not allowing the community to donate and let this situation continue.
By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players.
My sincere advice is for players who start earning money, to find themselves a personal manager with some experience. Andrew Tomlinson is one such manager, he works with viOlet and Polt. You should also get a financial advisor.
Also, for players who are in similar situations or might face a similar situation, do not wait until months after you are owed money, and you lose contact to the person who owes you said money to say something. Talk to people in the scene, there are friendly people with experience dealing with these matters who I am sure would be willing to at least give you some direction as to how to take action for yourself. At the very least, tell someone, even if it is a news outlet. Yeah it might sound like a bad situation, but the end result is one like this where HyuN is owed a significant amount of money, much like other notable professional players.
I just hope this HyuN situation is a wake-up call for other players: You are not children, you are "professional athletes" for all intents and purposes. This is your career, you should take an active role in managing it. Hire a manager and financial advisor. These are not insignificant amounts of money you are earning. Treating your career like a pastime and letting other people who do not have your best interests at heart, is a stupid idea, and this is what results of that. Wake up. This logic is such a fail it's ridiculous. That is like saying don't support a rape victim because it will let the rapist off the hook? this analogy is such a fail it's ridiculous.
Agreed. He's just trying to use the rape analogy to appeal to people's emotions. You can't compare MONEY to rape.
Hyun was robbed.
People want to donate to him to nullify the robbery.
Other people wish to get to the source of the robbery instead of donating.
How can you compare this to rape at all? It has to do with MONEY being replaced.
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how bout this analogy then, about MONEY
A restaurant that everyone enjoys eating at cause its fun there, gets robbed, tables and equipment get smashed
The restaurant loses so much money that it might have to close down.
Regulars of the restaurant donate some money to the owner of the restaurant.
You shouldnt donate to the restaurant because this will perpetuate more robbings of restaurants?
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 02 2014 03:59 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 03:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 02 2014 03:35 ArTiFaKs wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:
I posted this on Reddit, Ill just post it again here:
Not to be a Grinch or anything here, but I really think this is a bad idea.
Many players throughout eSports' history are owed money. Staff too. Many of them are owed a lot more money than HyuN here. I do not think people should donate to HyuN simply because he is the latest case.
Presumably, HyuN has a contract with Quantic, one he should have taken action on during those months where he wasn't being paid. Obviously, Quantic did not fulfill their side of the agreement, and HyuN should have taken action during the first sight of trouble, not now months later after Simon has "disappeared". What HyuN should be doing is contacting a lawyer and following the proper channels, not allowing the community to donate and let this situation continue.
By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players.
My sincere advice is for players who start earning money, to find themselves a personal manager with some experience. Andrew Tomlinson is one such manager, he works with viOlet and Polt. You should also get a financial advisor.
Also, for players who are in similar situations or might face a similar situation, do not wait until months after you are owed money, and you lose contact to the person who owes you said money to say something. Talk to people in the scene, there are friendly people with experience dealing with these matters who I am sure would be willing to at least give you some direction as to how to take action for yourself. At the very least, tell someone, even if it is a news outlet. Yeah it might sound like a bad situation, but the end result is one like this where HyuN is owed a significant amount of money, much like other notable professional players.
I just hope this HyuN situation is a wake-up call for other players: You are not children, you are "professional athletes" for all intents and purposes. This is your career, you should take an active role in managing it. Hire a manager and financial advisor. These are not insignificant amounts of money you are earning. Treating your career like a pastime and letting other people who do not have your best interests at heart, is a stupid idea, and this is what results of that. Wake up. This logic is such a fail it's ridiculous. That is like saying don't support a rape victim because it will let the rapist off the hook? this analogy is such a fail it's ridiculous. Agreed. He's just trying to use the rape analogy to appeal to people's emotions. You can't compare MONEY to rape. Hyun was robbed. People want to donate to him to nullify the robbery. Other people wish to get to the source of the robbery instead of donating. How can you compare this to rape at all? It has to do with MONEY being replaced.
I just hope you understand that it isn't exactly guaranteed that Hyun will get his money from Simon.
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On January 02 2014 04:09 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 03:59 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 03:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 02 2014 03:35 ArTiFaKs wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:
I posted this on Reddit, Ill just post it again here:
Not to be a Grinch or anything here, but I really think this is a bad idea.
Many players throughout eSports' history are owed money. Staff too. Many of them are owed a lot more money than HyuN here. I do not think people should donate to HyuN simply because he is the latest case.
Presumably, HyuN has a contract with Quantic, one he should have taken action on during those months where he wasn't being paid. Obviously, Quantic did not fulfill their side of the agreement, and HyuN should have taken action during the first sight of trouble, not now months later after Simon has "disappeared". What HyuN should be doing is contacting a lawyer and following the proper channels, not allowing the community to donate and let this situation continue.
By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players.
My sincere advice is for players who start earning money, to find themselves a personal manager with some experience. Andrew Tomlinson is one such manager, he works with viOlet and Polt. You should also get a financial advisor.
Also, for players who are in similar situations or might face a similar situation, do not wait until months after you are owed money, and you lose contact to the person who owes you said money to say something. Talk to people in the scene, there are friendly people with experience dealing with these matters who I am sure would be willing to at least give you some direction as to how to take action for yourself. At the very least, tell someone, even if it is a news outlet. Yeah it might sound like a bad situation, but the end result is one like this where HyuN is owed a significant amount of money, much like other notable professional players.
I just hope this HyuN situation is a wake-up call for other players: You are not children, you are "professional athletes" for all intents and purposes. This is your career, you should take an active role in managing it. Hire a manager and financial advisor. These are not insignificant amounts of money you are earning. Treating your career like a pastime and letting other people who do not have your best interests at heart, is a stupid idea, and this is what results of that. Wake up. This logic is such a fail it's ridiculous. That is like saying don't support a rape victim because it will let the rapist off the hook? this analogy is such a fail it's ridiculous. Agreed. He's just trying to use the rape analogy to appeal to people's emotions. You can't compare MONEY to rape. Hyun was robbed. People want to donate to him to nullify the robbery. Other people wish to get to the source of the robbery instead of donating. How can you compare this to rape at all? It has to do with MONEY being replaced. I just hope you understand that it isn't exactly guaranteed that Hyun will get his money from Simon.
Read my other posts. I already know Simon has got off completely free. He is 100% safe now. Nothing can happen to him.
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faith in humanity restored !!!!
i'll turn adblock off for sure !
what a great community starcraft's is :D
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 02 2014 04:11 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 04:09 Zealously wrote:On January 02 2014 03:59 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 03:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 02 2014 03:35 ArTiFaKs wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:
I posted this on Reddit, Ill just post it again here:
Not to be a Grinch or anything here, but I really think this is a bad idea.
Many players throughout eSports' history are owed money. Staff too. Many of them are owed a lot more money than HyuN here. I do not think people should donate to HyuN simply because he is the latest case.
Presumably, HyuN has a contract with Quantic, one he should have taken action on during those months where he wasn't being paid. Obviously, Quantic did not fulfill their side of the agreement, and HyuN should have taken action during the first sight of trouble, not now months later after Simon has "disappeared". What HyuN should be doing is contacting a lawyer and following the proper channels, not allowing the community to donate and let this situation continue.
By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players.
My sincere advice is for players who start earning money, to find themselves a personal manager with some experience. Andrew Tomlinson is one such manager, he works with viOlet and Polt. You should also get a financial advisor.
Also, for players who are in similar situations or might face a similar situation, do not wait until months after you are owed money, and you lose contact to the person who owes you said money to say something. Talk to people in the scene, there are friendly people with experience dealing with these matters who I am sure would be willing to at least give you some direction as to how to take action for yourself. At the very least, tell someone, even if it is a news outlet. Yeah it might sound like a bad situation, but the end result is one like this where HyuN is owed a significant amount of money, much like other notable professional players.
I just hope this HyuN situation is a wake-up call for other players: You are not children, you are "professional athletes" for all intents and purposes. This is your career, you should take an active role in managing it. Hire a manager and financial advisor. These are not insignificant amounts of money you are earning. Treating your career like a pastime and letting other people who do not have your best interests at heart, is a stupid idea, and this is what results of that. Wake up. This logic is such a fail it's ridiculous. That is like saying don't support a rape victim because it will let the rapist off the hook? this analogy is such a fail it's ridiculous. Agreed. He's just trying to use the rape analogy to appeal to people's emotions. You can't compare MONEY to rape. Hyun was robbed. People want to donate to him to nullify the robbery. Other people wish to get to the source of the robbery instead of donating. How can you compare this to rape at all? It has to do with MONEY being replaced. I just hope you understand that it isn't exactly guaranteed that Hyun will get his money from Simon. Read my other posts. I already know Simon has got off completely free. He is 100% safe now. Nothing can happen to him.
I have read your other posts. The thing is, without money Hyun probably has to retire. We don't want him to retire, so we help him out. But you almost make it sound like anyone willing to give some money to a guy who needs it are actively supporting theft or some shit. Not giving money to Hyun does little to set a precedent or deter other players from making deals with shady organisations in the future, but it goes a long way to make sure Hyun retires because he's unable to keep playing professionally.
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donated
the self-important retards itt reminds me why i hate internet forums so much
<3 hyun
User was temp banned for this post.
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I don't understand why people complain and/or criticize when others try to do something for good. I think if you want something to change, you go and do something for it and not waste time bringing down others' ideas. I see their argument is "by doing this, you're letting Quantic get its way" but seriously I don't think that's the case (as many others previously pointed here, why can't we do both help Hyun and try to punish Quantic?).
On the other hand, I don't think Hyun will say "ok, problem solved" if we donate him money to match the amount Quantic owes him. He will probably think "what an amazing community! But holy shit I must be careful in the future, people won't be always there to save my ass". When people do something nice for you, you find yourself thinking what could you have done for them or others. So maybe he realizes he can expose even more the whole situation to fellow progamers so they don't get scammed too.
Yes it sounds naive but it doesn't harm to try and do something nice for someone we love!
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On January 02 2014 04:11 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 04:09 Zealously wrote:On January 02 2014 03:59 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 03:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 02 2014 03:35 ArTiFaKs wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:
I posted this on Reddit, Ill just post it again here:
Not to be a Grinch or anything here, but I really think this is a bad idea.
Many players throughout eSports' history are owed money. Staff too. Many of them are owed a lot more money than HyuN here. I do not think people should donate to HyuN simply because he is the latest case.
Presumably, HyuN has a contract with Quantic, one he should have taken action on during those months where he wasn't being paid. Obviously, Quantic did not fulfill their side of the agreement, and HyuN should have taken action during the first sight of trouble, not now months later after Simon has "disappeared". What HyuN should be doing is contacting a lawyer and following the proper channels, not allowing the community to donate and let this situation continue.
By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players.
My sincere advice is for players who start earning money, to find themselves a personal manager with some experience. Andrew Tomlinson is one such manager, he works with viOlet and Polt. You should also get a financial advisor.
Also, for players who are in similar situations or might face a similar situation, do not wait until months after you are owed money, and you lose contact to the person who owes you said money to say something. Talk to people in the scene, there are friendly people with experience dealing with these matters who I am sure would be willing to at least give you some direction as to how to take action for yourself. At the very least, tell someone, even if it is a news outlet. Yeah it might sound like a bad situation, but the end result is one like this where HyuN is owed a significant amount of money, much like other notable professional players.
I just hope this HyuN situation is a wake-up call for other players: You are not children, you are "professional athletes" for all intents and purposes. This is your career, you should take an active role in managing it. Hire a manager and financial advisor. These are not insignificant amounts of money you are earning. Treating your career like a pastime and letting other people who do not have your best interests at heart, is a stupid idea, and this is what results of that. Wake up. This logic is such a fail it's ridiculous. That is like saying don't support a rape victim because it will let the rapist off the hook? this analogy is such a fail it's ridiculous. Agreed. He's just trying to use the rape analogy to appeal to people's emotions. You can't compare MONEY to rape. Hyun was robbed. People want to donate to him to nullify the robbery. Other people wish to get to the source of the robbery instead of donating. How can you compare this to rape at all? It has to do with MONEY being replaced. I just hope you understand that it isn't exactly guaranteed that Hyun will get his money from Simon. Read my other posts. I already know Simon has got off completely free. He is 100% safe now. Nothing can happen to him.
So basically you are OK with sacrifying Hyun's carreer in order to make other programers and the community to take notice of this issue?
(I don't mean to be rude with this question but putting it simple your argument sounds like that.)
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Donated a couple dollars, since I'll be at work during the tournament and won't be able to watch it. I found out about this through the event section of TL, but shouldn't this be frontpage news?
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I'll be watching, be sure of that ! HyuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuN <3 ! Hope we'll be helpful and that he'll continue his career as progamer ! Don't leave us HyuN !!
Also, cheers to Golden ! and the players that are going to play for HyuN's sake !
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What a swell guy this Golden fellow is.
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United States23455 Posts
On January 02 2014 03:59 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 03:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 02 2014 03:35 ArTiFaKs wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:
I posted this on Reddit, Ill just post it again here:
Not to be a Grinch or anything here, but I really think this is a bad idea.
Many players throughout eSports' history are owed money. Staff too. Many of them are owed a lot more money than HyuN here. I do not think people should donate to HyuN simply because he is the latest case.
Presumably, HyuN has a contract with Quantic, one he should have taken action on during those months where he wasn't being paid. Obviously, Quantic did not fulfill their side of the agreement, and HyuN should have taken action during the first sight of trouble, not now months later after Simon has "disappeared". What HyuN should be doing is contacting a lawyer and following the proper channels, not allowing the community to donate and let this situation continue.
By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players.
My sincere advice is for players who start earning money, to find themselves a personal manager with some experience. Andrew Tomlinson is one such manager, he works with viOlet and Polt. You should also get a financial advisor.
Also, for players who are in similar situations or might face a similar situation, do not wait until months after you are owed money, and you lose contact to the person who owes you said money to say something. Talk to people in the scene, there are friendly people with experience dealing with these matters who I am sure would be willing to at least give you some direction as to how to take action for yourself. At the very least, tell someone, even if it is a news outlet. Yeah it might sound like a bad situation, but the end result is one like this where HyuN is owed a significant amount of money, much like other notable professional players.
I just hope this HyuN situation is a wake-up call for other players: You are not children, you are "professional athletes" for all intents and purposes. This is your career, you should take an active role in managing it. Hire a manager and financial advisor. These are not insignificant amounts of money you are earning. Treating your career like a pastime and letting other people who do not have your best interests at heart, is a stupid idea, and this is what results of that. Wake up. This logic is such a fail it's ridiculous. That is like saying don't support a rape victim because it will let the rapist off the hook? this analogy is such a fail it's ridiculous. Agreed. He's just trying to use the rape analogy to appeal to people's emotions. You can't compare MONEY to rape. Hyun was robbed. People want to donate to him to nullify the robbery. Other people wish to get to the source of the robbery instead of donating. How can you compare this to rape at all? It has to do with MONEY being replaced.
You realize that we're providing a temporary monetary fund for Hyun to continue progaming until money can be obtained through the source?
It's not like the guy is off the hook legally for money he owes Hyun for ever dollar that is donated to him. They're two different sources.
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On January 02 2014 05:01 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 03:59 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 03:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 02 2014 03:35 ArTiFaKs wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:
I posted this on Reddit, Ill just post it again here:
Not to be a Grinch or anything here, but I really think this is a bad idea.
Many players throughout eSports' history are owed money. Staff too. Many of them are owed a lot more money than HyuN here. I do not think people should donate to HyuN simply because he is the latest case.
Presumably, HyuN has a contract with Quantic, one he should have taken action on during those months where he wasn't being paid. Obviously, Quantic did not fulfill their side of the agreement, and HyuN should have taken action during the first sight of trouble, not now months later after Simon has "disappeared". What HyuN should be doing is contacting a lawyer and following the proper channels, not allowing the community to donate and let this situation continue.
By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players.
My sincere advice is for players who start earning money, to find themselves a personal manager with some experience. Andrew Tomlinson is one such manager, he works with viOlet and Polt. You should also get a financial advisor.
Also, for players who are in similar situations or might face a similar situation, do not wait until months after you are owed money, and you lose contact to the person who owes you said money to say something. Talk to people in the scene, there are friendly people with experience dealing with these matters who I am sure would be willing to at least give you some direction as to how to take action for yourself. At the very least, tell someone, even if it is a news outlet. Yeah it might sound like a bad situation, but the end result is one like this where HyuN is owed a significant amount of money, much like other notable professional players.
I just hope this HyuN situation is a wake-up call for other players: You are not children, you are "professional athletes" for all intents and purposes. This is your career, you should take an active role in managing it. Hire a manager and financial advisor. These are not insignificant amounts of money you are earning. Treating your career like a pastime and letting other people who do not have your best interests at heart, is a stupid idea, and this is what results of that. Wake up. This logic is such a fail it's ridiculous. That is like saying don't support a rape victim because it will let the rapist off the hook? this analogy is such a fail it's ridiculous. Agreed. He's just trying to use the rape analogy to appeal to people's emotions. You can't compare MONEY to rape. Hyun was robbed. People want to donate to him to nullify the robbery. Other people wish to get to the source of the robbery instead of donating. How can you compare this to rape at all? It has to do with MONEY being replaced. You realize that we're providing a temporary monetary fund for Hyun to continue progaming until money can be obtained through the source? It's not like the guy is off the hook legally for money he owes Hyun for ever dollar that is donated to him. They're two different sources.
If that's the case why don't we keep the discussion of said guy to the other thread and focus this thread on doing something good and supporting Hyun.
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United States23455 Posts
On January 02 2014 05:04 Traceback wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 05:01 Darkhoarse wrote:On January 02 2014 03:59 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 02 2014 03:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 02 2014 03:35 ArTiFaKs wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:
I posted this on Reddit, Ill just post it again here:
Not to be a Grinch or anything here, but I really think this is a bad idea.
Many players throughout eSports' history are owed money. Staff too. Many of them are owed a lot more money than HyuN here. I do not think people should donate to HyuN simply because he is the latest case.
Presumably, HyuN has a contract with Quantic, one he should have taken action on during those months where he wasn't being paid. Obviously, Quantic did not fulfill their side of the agreement, and HyuN should have taken action during the first sight of trouble, not now months later after Simon has "disappeared". What HyuN should be doing is contacting a lawyer and following the proper channels, not allowing the community to donate and let this situation continue.
By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players.
My sincere advice is for players who start earning money, to find themselves a personal manager with some experience. Andrew Tomlinson is one such manager, he works with viOlet and Polt. You should also get a financial advisor.
Also, for players who are in similar situations or might face a similar situation, do not wait until months after you are owed money, and you lose contact to the person who owes you said money to say something. Talk to people in the scene, there are friendly people with experience dealing with these matters who I am sure would be willing to at least give you some direction as to how to take action for yourself. At the very least, tell someone, even if it is a news outlet. Yeah it might sound like a bad situation, but the end result is one like this where HyuN is owed a significant amount of money, much like other notable professional players.
I just hope this HyuN situation is a wake-up call for other players: You are not children, you are "professional athletes" for all intents and purposes. This is your career, you should take an active role in managing it. Hire a manager and financial advisor. These are not insignificant amounts of money you are earning. Treating your career like a pastime and letting other people who do not have your best interests at heart, is a stupid idea, and this is what results of that. Wake up. This logic is such a fail it's ridiculous. That is like saying don't support a rape victim because it will let the rapist off the hook? this analogy is such a fail it's ridiculous. Agreed. He's just trying to use the rape analogy to appeal to people's emotions. You can't compare MONEY to rape. Hyun was robbed. People want to donate to him to nullify the robbery. Other people wish to get to the source of the robbery instead of donating. How can you compare this to rape at all? It has to do with MONEY being replaced. You realize that we're providing a temporary monetary fund for Hyun to continue progaming until money can be obtained through the source? It's not like the guy is off the hook legally for money he owes Hyun for ever dollar that is donated to him. They're two different sources. If that's the case why don't we keep the discussion of said guy to the other thread and focus this thread on doing something good and supporting Hyun.
This guy has the right idea.
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Nice by Golden! I hope Hyun is doing well.
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I'm busy during that time, but I'll leave my browser open to Hyun's twitch with adblock disabled.
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I will definitely watch this stream without my adblock. I guess it's the least I can do because my wallet is strapped tight 
But thank you, Golden! It's nice to see that people like you, unlike a lot of the TL and reddit posters, do not express the inappropriate cynicism but find ways to improve Hyun's situation!
I hope Hyun and his friends find other solutions to help Hyun's situation! :D
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Haha - this is such a sweet thing :D
ALso - those are genuinely sick matches O_o
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Will this tournament have a losers bracket to maybe we can see more match ups?
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How about instead of donating to one kid out of a ton that have been and are being ripped off, we host an educational event called "How to negotiate and enforce a contract"?
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Cool event. Golden is awesome.
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This is awesome. Can't watch but I'll leave my browser open at home.
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Hurray for starcraft community!
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On January 02 2014 03:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 03:35 ArTiFaKs wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:
I posted this on Reddit, Ill just post it again here:
Not to be a Grinch or anything here, but I really think this is a bad idea.
Many players throughout eSports' history are owed money. Staff too. Many of them are owed a lot more money than HyuN here. I do not think people should donate to HyuN simply because he is the latest case.
Presumably, HyuN has a contract with Quantic, one he should have taken action on during those months where he wasn't being paid. Obviously, Quantic did not fulfill their side of the agreement, and HyuN should have taken action during the first sight of trouble, not now months later after Simon has "disappeared". What HyuN should be doing is contacting a lawyer and following the proper channels, not allowing the community to donate and let this situation continue.
By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players.
My sincere advice is for players who start earning money, to find themselves a personal manager with some experience. Andrew Tomlinson is one such manager, he works with viOlet and Polt. You should also get a financial advisor.
Also, for players who are in similar situations or might face a similar situation, do not wait until months after you are owed money, and you lose contact to the person who owes you said money to say something. Talk to people in the scene, there are friendly people with experience dealing with these matters who I am sure would be willing to at least give you some direction as to how to take action for yourself. At the very least, tell someone, even if it is a news outlet. Yeah it might sound like a bad situation, but the end result is one like this where HyuN is owed a significant amount of money, much like other notable professional players.
I just hope this HyuN situation is a wake-up call for other players: You are not children, you are "professional athletes" for all intents and purposes. This is your career, you should take an active role in managing it. Hire a manager and financial advisor. These are not insignificant amounts of money you are earning. Treating your career like a pastime and letting other people who do not have your best interests at heart, is a stupid idea, and this is what results of that. Wake up. This logic is such a fail it's ridiculous. That is like saying don't support a rape victim because it will let the rapist off the hook? this analogy is such a fail it's ridiculous.
shut up, Simon
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However you feel about the situation + Show Spoiler +I think it can generally be agreed, it really really sucks look, sure, other people have been ripped off too. don't like it? don't donate or watch. There is an argument that other players are deserving of support - so rather than bitch about it, put on your big girl pants and support them as well as HyuN. If you think legal recourse is the answer, it's a pathway to more debt - lawyer's fees, court fees, service attempts on Quantic/Simon - and then even if HyuN wins, there's no guarantee of collecting a dime from Simon or Quantic if the money isn't there. Then there's more costs in trying to collect after the fact - in principle a great idea, but often you wind up in debt even if you win.
This is players coming out to help another player - it's a bloody wonderful display of human kindness and community spirit among Korean players and dammit Golden this is fucking wonderful. Thank you.
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love you golden! hyun as well
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read the title and thought oh god here we go but golden you bad ass thos tournament looks so mint. cant wait! boss toss yay!
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On January 02 2014 00:06 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 00:05 z0rz wrote:On January 01 2014 23:53 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 01 2014 23:29 fams wrote:By donating to HyuN, you are perpetuating a system that allows unscrupulous managers/organizations to take advantage of uneducated players. EXACTLY. The community needs to WAKE UP. Stop indulging in this feel-good crap. This isn't what we should be doing, even though it's "nice" to do. Do you guys even know what this is about? HyuN is considering retiring after this fiasco. This isn't about the money; it's about reaching out to someone who poured his heart and soul into something and got screwed over for it in the end. Doing this in no way perpetuates the corrupt system. If the funds were somehow going back to Quantic or another corrupt team/owner, you'd have a point. This is just a sign of gratitude/appreciation for a beloved progamer, and by sharing this story and making it a big deal, we are effectively spreading the word and hopefully informing aspiring progamers on the potential pitfalls of their career path and ways they can protect themselves. "Professional athletes," as you refer to, have player unions and lawyers/managers to protect them. You can say the progamers are at fault for being naive and putting themselves in a position where they can be taken advantage of, but by saying that you're letting the shady organizations off the hook. Until a legit union is established, this is the best we can really do: support the players that we love and spread the word to prevent someone like Simon from continuing to exist in the industry and to hopefully inform other players of the possibilities. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this gesture. It's a get out of jail free card for Quantic. If we just give Hyun money, then Quantic's actions will be forgotten until the next time a scam comes up. The correct course of action is pursuing Simon/Quantic.
This was the last straw for Quantic, there's no coming back. This doesn't pay Hyun the money that Quantic owes him, Quantic still owes the money and if he doesn't get it from them I'm assuming he still has a legal right to it. Nobody is going to forgive Quantic, certainly nobody that donates to Hyun to help alleviate his personal financial woes because of their inability to properly pay their player.
I agree wholeheartedly that the best way to keep this from happening again is to have some pretty extreme consequences for their actions, but I don't agree that Hyun should have to suffer for something that was not his fault. The only thing this tournament will do is give him a bit of a financial pillow to continue as a pro gamer while he finds another team or living situation or something. I highly doubt Golden and the players will actually raise $23k, it's just a little assistance.
EDIT: To address the "other players have been burned in the past too" yeah, it happens. Should we be angry that reddit got MKP and Crank to MLGs but not other players? This is 5 gamers who feel that they can help their friend out through a financial hardship.
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On January 02 2014 05:41 -Kaiser- wrote:
How about instead of donating to one kid out of a ton that have been and are being ripped off, we host an educational event called "How to negotiate and enforce a contract"?
Why don't we do both
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Amazing idea, HyuN doesn't deserve this shit coming from an amazing BW background... save hyun!!
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Great idea! Will definitely tune in :D
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Donated for Hyun, would i be in his position i would like to have all support so i did it!
Tournament gonna be guuud :D
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you guys are awesome, everyone is awesome, fark that simon bs guy,
i will tune in for sure
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Will be tuning in! Thank you so much Golden
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On January 02 2014 08:16 DJHelium wrote:
jjakji got this ezpz!
This is basically a mini-HSC VIII, and jjakji got 3rd there only behind Taeja and Hyun. So jjakji wins this np while Hyun gets plenty of money, perfect plan
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Golden is doing great things fo esports! :D
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This is a plea to certain people -- to all of you out there who use Adblock, remember to give back once in a while.
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awesome. I'd love to see a 3rd place match as well. more matches is always good.
really cool you guys are doing this.
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This is awesome, will watch for sure!
Hyun, never give up!
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I'm glad to see MC in there :D
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any chance to see, how much money already got raised on the Paypal account for HyuN ?
would be interesting to see, how much money we already got together =).
stay with us HyuN
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I'll be there, best of luck.
HyuN Hwaiting ♥
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Oh Golden, you are a fantastic human being! Thanks for doing this, let's all support HyuN!
Hyun Hwaiting!!!
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I think that is a wonderful idea and I can't understand, why people put so much effort in arguing about that. (Some really want to say, that helping the victim is like helping the offender?).
Like felisconcolori said: "This is players [ed: and fans] coming out to help another player - it's a bloody wonderful display of human kindness and community spirit".
So please stop arguing. If you don't like it, go away. If you like it, cheer for HyuN.
Back to topic: I think it would be a great idea, if you add something funny like they always did for TL-Attack. A fun game with fans (4v4?), playing offrace or something like that. I would really like that!
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I'll try to tune in to this!
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Good luck with this! Amazing gesture.
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Good luck with this! I will probably tune in even though I never watch SC2 anymore
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Wow Golden! You're so amazing for doing this! This is a great event! I'll definitely be watching!
Jjakji, StarDust, MC, and Symbol are also amazing for participating in the tournament!! You guys are awesome!!
Good luck on this event!
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Awwe what a brilliant initiative! I will def try and watch and support this even
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Really great idea, Golden! Can't wait for this
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Just as something vile happens to Hyun, something miraculous happens for him.
Faith in the SC2 scene: restored
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Great initiative, I hope this will go some way towards helping Hyun's situation. He still shouldn't forgo taking serious action against the greedy pig though.
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Well you know what?
Just because some of you are so opposed to the idea of supporting Hyun in getting back on his feet - that I'm going to make damned sure that I attend this event and lend my monetary support - just to spite you.
You're basically saying Hyun deserved it, and you know what? I'll oppose you in the simplest, and best way that I can.
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Would watch this if it wasn't 2AM here. I hope Hyun resolves the problem soon, he seems like such a nice guy!
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I will watch
also you guys have better english than I do
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can some of the proceeds go to finding where simon is so he can be brought to justice?
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so what happens if HyuN eventually gets the money? will he keep the money raised here also??....
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On January 02 2014 13:42 D_K_night wrote:
Well you know what?
Just because some of you are so opposed to the idea of supporting Hyun in getting back on his feet - that I'm going to make damned sure that I attend this event and lend my monetary support - just to spite you.
You're basically saying Hyun deserved it, and you know what? I'll oppose you in the simplest, and best way that I can.
http://www.sc2earnings.com/player/417/ko-seok-hyun
Homeboy still has almost $70k cash in his pocket in the last two years, even if he was shorted 23k. Should we really empty our pockets because of his 'bad accounting'? This sort of stuff happens all the time. Go donate to the Red Cross, bruv.
What about other potential Quantic players who didn't make a dime and had their pay jacked?
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Awful news for HyuN, but loving this cause <3 I hope everything works out!
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I refuse to let Hyun retire because of a smile-related injury. You can count me in to support him!
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On January 02 2014 14:38 Gescom wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 13:42 D_K_night wrote:
Well you know what?
Just because some of you are so opposed to the idea of supporting Hyun in getting back on his feet - that I'm going to make damned sure that I attend this event and lend my monetary support - just to spite you.
You're basically saying Hyun deserved it, and you know what? I'll oppose you in the simplest, and best way that I can. http://www.sc2earnings.com/player/417/ko-seok-hyunHomeboy still has almost $70k cash in his pocket in the last two years, even if he was shorted 23k. Should we really empty our pockets because of his 'bad accounting'? This sort of stuff happens all the time. Go donate to the Red Cross, bruv. What about other potential Quantic players who didn't make a dime and had their pay jacked?
To be fair, I think "should we really empty our pockets" is getting awfully close to telling me what I should or should not do with my own money.
I know hyun, I've seen him, I've shook his hand. I'd much rather give him money than give the red cross money, personally.
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On January 02 2014 14:38 Gescom wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 13:42 D_K_night wrote:
Well you know what?
Just because some of you are so opposed to the idea of supporting Hyun in getting back on his feet - that I'm going to make damned sure that I attend this event and lend my monetary support - just to spite you.
You're basically saying Hyun deserved it, and you know what? I'll oppose you in the simplest, and best way that I can. http://www.sc2earnings.com/player/417/ko-seok-hyunHomeboy still has almost $70k cash in his pocket in the last two years, even if he was shorted 23k. Should we really empty our pockets because of his 'bad accounting'? This sort of stuff happens all the time. Go donate to the Red Cross, bruv. What about other potential Quantic players who didn't make a dime and had their pay jacked?
I would love to see the other members of quantic payed. and i would love if an event could be made for them too. but right now, you have a player who is loved and adored by the Starcraft 2 community, basically telling us about how we was wrongfully scammed and may have to retire. and I don't know about you, but i don't want a player that i very much like to retire. so you can go and say about how this is stupid and whatever, and thats your choice. but after seeing all these players who i like retire while i can't do jack shit to stop them, i'm going to donate some of my money and watch the stream without ad block. Also, for your information, it's not his "bad accounting." he was payed by them for the first few months, and players like The STC has had successful partnerships with quantic before. how was he supposed to know they would scam him. he let the team claim the dreamhack money so that way he wouldn't be taxed on it. and constantly messaged simon trying to get his money.
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On January 02 2014 16:33 Noobity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 14:38 Gescom wrote:On January 02 2014 13:42 D_K_night wrote:
Well you know what?
Just because some of you are so opposed to the idea of supporting Hyun in getting back on his feet - that I'm going to make damned sure that I attend this event and lend my monetary support - just to spite you.
You're basically saying Hyun deserved it, and you know what? I'll oppose you in the simplest, and best way that I can. http://www.sc2earnings.com/player/417/ko-seok-hyunHomeboy still has almost $70k cash in his pocket in the last two years, even if he was shorted 23k. Should we really empty our pockets because of his 'bad accounting'? This sort of stuff happens all the time. Go donate to the Red Cross, bruv. What about other potential Quantic players who didn't make a dime and had their pay jacked? I know hyun, I've seen him, I've shook his hand. I'd much rather give him money than give the red cross money, personally.
This made me laugh, thanks bro.
Wish Hyun the best of luck, he should try to get the money from Quantic instead of a fund raiser though.
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On January 02 2014 16:33 Noobity wrote:
I know hyun, I've seen him, I've shook his hand. I'd much rather give him money than give the red cross money, personally.
Since we're in the season of LP staff derailing HyuN threads; Your moral code is quite laughable.
Is Hyun living in the street? Hungry for food? Perhaps he's suffering from an illness which requires expensive medical treatment?
As far as I'm aware the answer to all these questions is no. (and we should be happy that is the case!).
On top of that, Hyun has made $85,045USD [1] (total earnings minus DreamHack earnings which were transferred to Quantic) from tournaments in the last 2 years.
Assuming this information is correct, I don't see a reason to directly donate money to Hyun instead of the "Red Cross" for example, which happens to do a few fairly important things for people who will probably die a fairly horrible death without their support.
I do see a reason to endlessly remember Qunatic as an organization which has cheated their player[s], watch Hyun's stream because he's an entertaining and successful StarCraft player, and donate a little money to the Red Cross.
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Great idea, i hope you get a lot of viewers!
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I will open the stream like 10-times, I am not sure if this is worthier than one tab
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On January 02 2014 17:42 Noam wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 16:33 Noobity wrote:
I know hyun, I've seen him, I've shook his hand. I'd much rather give him money than give the red cross money, personally.
Since we're in the season of LP staff derailing HyuN threads; Your moral code is quite laughable. Is Hyun living in the street? Hungry for food? Perhaps he's suffering from an illness which requires expensive medical treatment? As far as I'm aware the answer to all these questions is no. (and we should be happy that is the case!). On top of that, Hyun has made $85,045USD [1] (total earnings minus DreamHack earnings which were transferred to Quantic) from tournaments in the last 2 years. Assuming this information is correct, I don't see a reason to directly donate money to Hyun instead of the "Red Cross" for example, which happens to do a few fairly important things for people who will probably die a fairly horrible death without their support. I do see a reason to endlessly remember Qunatic as an organization which has cheated their player[s], watch Hyun's stream because he's an entertaining and successful StarCraft player, and donate a little money to the Red Cross.
inb4 zodazoda vs totalbiscuit 2.0.
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Hyun already won a lot of money and I find this kind of seek charity events disgusting when the cause is more than questionable.
Lately I feel like the sc2 community is more immature than ever and get abused by money grabbing whores to cash a maximum using the supposed imminent death of the game as a pretext.
I won't give a pennie to Hyun and in fact I will stop being interested by him in general. This whole affair is putrid.
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On January 02 2014 20:04 YuiHirasawa wrote:
Hyun already won a lot of money and I find this kind of seek charity events disgusting when the cause is more than questionable.
Lately I feel like the sc2 community is more immature than ever and get abused by money grabbing whores to cash a maximum using the supposed imminent death of the game as a pretext.
I won't give a pennie to Hyun and in fact I will stop being interested by him in general. This whole affair is putrid.
Hyun won a lot of money which was then kept by his manager.
The players got abused, there's a valid reason for why this exists and we get a tournament out of it we pay for the entertainment and support Hyun where's the problem.
Before I wrote anything I had to check your other posts, it seems you're a destiny fan surely if you want to avoid immaturity you wouldn't be a Destiny fan?
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On January 02 2014 20:04 YuiHirasawa wrote:
Hyun already won a lot of money and I find this kind of seek charity events disgusting when the cause is more than questionable.
Lately I feel like the sc2 community is more immature than ever and get abused by money grabbing whores to cash a maximum using the supposed imminent death of the game as a pretext.
I won't give a pennie to Hyun and in fact I will stop being interested by him in general. This whole affair is putrid.
The cause is questionable? Not getting paid the equivalent of 10 months worth of 'work' is questionable?
I'd be pretty pissed off. This is about getting the community together and supporting him if you're his fan. This is how Starcraft 2 and most other games exist, because of the fans. If everyone was like you then there wouldn't be esports.
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I don't want to sound like a dick but he made about $40k in 2013 in prize money (not counting Dreamhacks) alone, plus he apparently got about $15k of the money Quantic owed him (salaries + Dreamhack winnings). He's by no means poor. T_T
Still yeah shitty that the whole thing happened and it's awesome that Golden is stepping up to help a fellow progamer.
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On January 02 2014 20:04 YuiHirasawa wrote:
Hyun already won a lot of money and I find this kind of seek charity events disgusting when the cause is more than questionable.
Lately I feel like the sc2 community is more immature than ever and get abused by money grabbing whores to cash a maximum using the supposed imminent death of the game as a pretext.
I won't give a pennie to Hyun and in fact I will stop being interested by him in general. This whole affair is putrid.
This tournament is not for ppl like u. Its for ppl who wants to help Hyun. If you dont want to help, at the very least dont cause further problems for Hyun.
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On January 02 2014 17:42 Noam wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 16:33 Noobity wrote:
I know hyun, I've seen him, I've shook his hand. I'd much rather give him money than give the red cross money, personally.
Since we're in the season of LP staff derailing HyuN threads; Your moral code is quite laughable. Is Hyun living in the street? Hungry for food? Perhaps he's suffering from an illness which requires expensive medical treatment? As far as I'm aware the answer to all these questions is no. (and we should be happy that is the case!). On top of that, Hyun has made $85,045USD [1] (total earnings minus DreamHack earnings which were transferred to Quantic) from tournaments in the last 2 years. Assuming this information is correct, I don't see a reason to directly donate money to Hyun instead of the "Red Cross" for example, which happens to do a few fairly important things for people who will probably die a fairly horrible death without their support. I do see a reason to endlessly remember Qunatic as an organization which has cheated their player[s], watch Hyun's stream because he's an entertaining and successful StarCraft player, and donate a little money to the Red Cross.
You are basically reasoning that the money that people will potentially donate to Hyun is money not being used for other charity. This is false. If people want to donate to the Red Cross they probably already are, and this Hyun situation will not stop them from doing that. Showing support for a progamer is a complete separate activity from ordinary charity.
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So what happens to all the donations etc. if he eventually gets his money back from that manager?
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This is wonderful!
I love you all and will be watching!
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On January 02 2014 21:26 KoRStarvid wrote:
You are basically reasoning that the money that people will potentially donate to Hyun is money not being used for other charity. This is false. If people want to donate to the Red Cross they probably already are, and this Hyun situation will not stop them from doing that. Showing support for a progamer is a complete separate activity from ordinary charity.
Word up, a million times. Donating to support a player you like who's been screwed over by his manager and donating to the Red Cross are not mutually exclusive.
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My respect for Golden is like, through the roof right now.
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On January 02 2014 21:26 KoRStarvid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 17:42 Noam wrote:On January 02 2014 16:33 Noobity wrote:
I know hyun, I've seen him, I've shook his hand. I'd much rather give him money than give the red cross money, personally.
Since we're in the season of LP staff derailing HyuN threads; Your moral code is quite laughable. Is Hyun living in the street? Hungry for food? Perhaps he's suffering from an illness which requires expensive medical treatment? As far as I'm aware the answer to all these questions is no. (and we should be happy that is the case!). On top of that, Hyun has made $85,045USD [1] (total earnings minus DreamHack earnings which were transferred to Quantic) from tournaments in the last 2 years. Assuming this information is correct, I don't see a reason to directly donate money to Hyun instead of the "Red Cross" for example, which happens to do a few fairly important things for people who will probably die a fairly horrible death without their support. I do see a reason to endlessly remember Qunatic as an organization which has cheated their player[s], watch Hyun's stream because he's an entertaining and successful StarCraft player, and donate a little money to the Red Cross. You are basically reasoning that the money that people will potentially donate to Hyun is money not being used for other charity. This is false. If people want to donate to the Red Cross they probably already are, and this Hyun situation will not stop them from doing that. Showing support for a progamer is a complete separate activity from ordinary charity.
except for the fact that the person he quoted said he would rather give money to ryun than to the red cross.
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On January 02 2014 22:31 Kleinmuuhg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 21:26 KoRStarvid wrote:On January 02 2014 17:42 Noam wrote:On January 02 2014 16:33 Noobity wrote:
I know hyun, I've seen him, I've shook his hand. I'd much rather give him money than give the red cross money, personally.
Since we're in the season of LP staff derailing HyuN threads; Your moral code is quite laughable. Is Hyun living in the street? Hungry for food? Perhaps he's suffering from an illness which requires expensive medical treatment? As far as I'm aware the answer to all these questions is no. (and we should be happy that is the case!). On top of that, Hyun has made $85,045USD [1] (total earnings minus DreamHack earnings which were transferred to Quantic) from tournaments in the last 2 years. Assuming this information is correct, I don't see a reason to directly donate money to Hyun instead of the "Red Cross" for example, which happens to do a few fairly important things for people who will probably die a fairly horrible death without their support. I do see a reason to endlessly remember Qunatic as an organization which has cheated their player[s], watch Hyun's stream because he's an entertaining and successful StarCraft player, and donate a little money to the Red Cross. You are basically reasoning that the money that people will potentially donate to Hyun is money not being used for other charity. This is false. If people want to donate to the Red Cross they probably already are, and this Hyun situation will not stop them from doing that. Showing support for a progamer is a complete separate activity from ordinary charity. except for the fact that the person he quoted said he would rather give money to ryun than to the red cross.
I can't speak for him, so this is an awkward argument to make, but that guy isn't saying that he is giving his red cross money to Hyun, and I highly doubt that anyone would make that kind of choice. He is saying that he would rather donate to Hyun, because he has some sort of personal connection to him (through being an eSports fan and possibly liking Hyun specifically). The Red Cross may be doing very important things, but those things are oftentimes very distant from us. For many people, a prerequisite for doing selfless things is being comfortable in your own life before spending resources on others. You can't fault people for getting their own shit together before donating to charity. If spending five bucks once in a while on renting a movie, buying soda or helping a person you like, makes you feel better then you could argue that that feeling of well being would increase the likeliness of you doing more selfless things.
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I need to see this! HyuN is casting!! :D
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Golden is saving eSports! <3 <3 <3
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Good Guy Golden. FOR HYUN!!!!
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On January 02 2014 17:14 partydude89 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 14:38 Gescom wrote:On January 02 2014 13:42 D_K_night wrote:
Well you know what?
Just because some of you are so opposed to the idea of supporting Hyun in getting back on his feet - that I'm going to make damned sure that I attend this event and lend my monetary support - just to spite you.
You're basically saying Hyun deserved it, and you know what? I'll oppose you in the simplest, and best way that I can. http://www.sc2earnings.com/player/417/ko-seok-hyunHomeboy still has almost $70k cash in his pocket in the last two years, even if he was shorted 23k. Should we really empty our pockets because of his 'bad accounting'? This sort of stuff happens all the time. Go donate to the Red Cross, bruv. What about other potential Quantic players who didn't make a dime and had their pay jacked? I would love to see the other members of quantic payed. and i would love if an event could be made for them too. but right now, you have a player who is loved and adored by the Starcraft 2 community, basically telling us about how we was wrongfully scammed and may have to retire. and I don't know about you, but i don't want a player that i very much like to retire. so you can go and say about how this is stupid and whatever, and thats your choice. but after seeing all these players who i like retire while i can't do jack shit to stop them, i'm going to donate some of my money and watch the stream without ad block. Also, for your information, it's not his "bad accounting." he was payed by them for the first few months, and players like The STC has had successful partnerships with quantic before. how was he supposed to know they would scam him. he let the team claim the dreamhack money so that way he wouldn't be taxed on it. and constantly messaged simon trying to get his money.
Why exactly would Hyun 'have to retire'...? >_>
I honestly don't get why everyone is so quick & eager to show love. I like HyuN as much as the next guy, but none of this makes a shred of sense..
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On January 02 2014 23:36 Gescom wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 17:14 partydude89 wrote:On January 02 2014 14:38 Gescom wrote:On January 02 2014 13:42 D_K_night wrote:
Well you know what?
Just because some of you are so opposed to the idea of supporting Hyun in getting back on his feet - that I'm going to make damned sure that I attend this event and lend my monetary support - just to spite you.
You're basically saying Hyun deserved it, and you know what? I'll oppose you in the simplest, and best way that I can. http://www.sc2earnings.com/player/417/ko-seok-hyunHomeboy still has almost $70k cash in his pocket in the last two years, even if he was shorted 23k. Should we really empty our pockets because of his 'bad accounting'? This sort of stuff happens all the time. Go donate to the Red Cross, bruv. What about other potential Quantic players who didn't make a dime and had their pay jacked? I would love to see the other members of quantic payed. and i would love if an event could be made for them too. but right now, you have a player who is loved and adored by the Starcraft 2 community, basically telling us about how we was wrongfully scammed and may have to retire. and I don't know about you, but i don't want a player that i very much like to retire. so you can go and say about how this is stupid and whatever, and thats your choice. but after seeing all these players who i like retire while i can't do jack shit to stop them, i'm going to donate some of my money and watch the stream without ad block. Also, for your information, it's not his "bad accounting." he was payed by them for the first few months, and players like The STC has had successful partnerships with quantic before. how was he supposed to know they would scam him. he let the team claim the dreamhack money so that way he wouldn't be taxed on it. and constantly messaged simon trying to get his money. Why exactly would Hyun 'have to retire'...? >_> I honestly don't get why everyone is so quick & eager to show love. I like HyuN as much as the next guy, but none of this makes a shred of sense..
On January 01 2014 11:48 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: HyuN posted the following message about his situation with Quantic. ( Korean original) DailyDot reported earlier that Quantic owner Simon Boudreault had dropped off the radar, leaving former players hanging.
Hello, this is HyuN. I began my contract with Quantic on January 28th and have spent the last year with them. Because the team was in a special situation where it formed from a merger of many teams, it was in an unstable state where one of the owners left as I was playing for the team. Simon would always buy tickets late, even though you could get them cheaper if you bought them earlier, and he even bought me business class tickets to IEM Shanghai because I had just won DreamHack (even though he had already bought tickets). Even in the case of hotels, there were times I wondered if it was too expensive. Since when I started to notice these things, Simon was always late to respond to me. It wasn't a big nuisiance for me to have flights booked late, but he would always respond late and would lie about having booked flights when he had not, booking them when the time for the tournament had almost come. So, there was a lot of stress there. In my final tournament schedule of HSC, Red Bull, and DH Winter, he always said he had booked the flights but in reality it was very tough because they would be booked one day before. Also, at the time my salary had been delayed for a few months, and I had yet to receive prize money from three tournaments (DH Stockholm, DH Summer, DH Valencia). DreamHack has an invoice system, so the team would receive the money. In the end, IEM was the last time I saw Simon, and I wasn't able to see or chat with him since. Before IEM, Simon told me he would give me my salary and DreamHack Prize money, and gave me an explaination. But it was always a lie. He always said he had sent the DreamHack prize money, but I heard he had actually used that money to support the LoL team. As for the reason he could not send the money, he said it was because according to Canadian law it was too large an amount to send, and said he would give me the money from the sponsors instead, but that was a lie as well. The sponsors didn't even know about this. After my last scheduled events he went off the radar, except to occasionally leave a line saying that he would send the money. The money I should have received was 80,000 SEK from DreamHack winnings (about $12,500) and $26,400 (2,200 x 12) in salary, but I only received $2,200 x5, and after that $950 x5, leaving $10,650 I have not received. In total it's about $23,000 I have not received. Simon has gone off the map, and there is no one to be held responsible. I'm regretting the year I spent taking countless flights, and I'm so stressed out I'm wondering why I spent eight years as a gamer. I don't know what to do, and it's been a while since I've played since I just can't bring myself to. If someone can't help me out, I might have to quit. If I quit now, then I'm thankful to Simon for letting me finally rest after eight tough years of progaming. I'll never forget you! I need help, but I don't even know what will help me. This link contains my conversatiosn with Simon. http://imgur.com/xVlXWYe,AneHU6y,Mnf33uA,rBX8lYE,1IF1Oda,jfgUqfR,MflPkwG#0 I'm sorry to all my fans and friends who cheered for me.
You can take his word for it or you can't, but there's his reasoning.
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Is there a Liquipedia page for the event yet?
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On January 02 2014 23:50 Dinotramp wrote:
Is there a Liquipedia page for the event yet?
It's mentioned on HyuN's liquipedia page but I don't think so.
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On January 02 2014 20:04 YuiHirasawa wrote:
Hyun already won a lot of money and I find this kind of seek charity events disgusting when the cause is more than questionable.
Lately I feel like the sc2 community is more immature than ever and get abused by money grabbing whores to cash a maximum using the supposed imminent death of the game as a pretext.
I won't give a pennie to Hyun and in fact I will stop being interested by him in general. This whole affair is putrid.
well what kind of human are you? well i honestly hope ur boss stops giving ur salary for around 3 months, then u know how it feels if u have to pay bills... ya hyun is a pro gamer and is earning this money by gaming, thats his job and he has done his job fine imo. so he should get the money he worked for...
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On January 02 2014 17:42 Noam wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 16:33 Noobity wrote:
I know hyun, I've seen him, I've shook his hand. I'd much rather give him money than give the red cross money, personally.
Since we're in the season of LP staff derailing HyuN threads; Your moral code is quite laughable. Is Hyun living in the street? Hungry for food? Perhaps he's suffering from an illness which requires expensive medical treatment? As far as I'm aware the answer to all these questions is no. (and we should be happy that is the case!). On top of that, Hyun has made $85,045USD [1] (total earnings minus DreamHack earnings which were transferred to Quantic) from tournaments in the last 2 years. Assuming this information is correct, I don't see a reason to directly donate money to Hyun instead of the "Red Cross" for example, which happens to do a few fairly important things for people who will probably die a fairly horrible death without their support. I do see a reason to endlessly remember Qunatic as an organization which has cheated their player[s], watch Hyun's stream because he's an entertaining and successful StarCraft player, and donate a little money to the Red Cross.
You are completely missing the point. This is not a case of Noobity comparing the value of Hyun to the value of the Red Cross, or comparing Hyun's need to those of people living in poverty. He is contrasting giving money to a charity with giving money to a friend or acquaintance in a tight spot - someone who shares a passion and got screwed.
There are innumerable noteworthy charities across the world, many of which serve a crucial purpose to people's livelihoods. But you know what, I would rather give Hyun some financial support than donate to the Red Cross, too. The Red Cross is very important, but I prefer to support the community and locality in which I live. No, it doesn't have as great a need, but it's where I came from and it provided a fantastic environment for my upbringing, and I want to support it. Similarly, I admire Hyun for what he does, and I like to support Starcraft, the game I love. I've been there, being screwed over a game; my team had funds for competing in an international bridge tournament cut at the last minute. Were we impoverished? Were we going to die without support? Heck, we probably could have even paid our own way with a bit of maneuvering. But you know what, we held a fundraiser, and people funded us out of love for the game and by wanting to support their scene. They didn't come to question others' morality for funding us instead of Greenpeace or WSPCA or whatever, so I don't see why you should do so. Actually, some of the players who funded us also give extensively to charity - nothing surprising about that.
I've been a fan of Hyun's for years and I want to support him. Before you go flashing your moral spotlight over everyone, please have some perspective.
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And the twitch chat is now flooded with "GIVE ADS" xD Here we go
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Haven't seen Symbol play for aaaages, looking forward to this
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WOAH JJAKJI, HOMOPHOBIA. HURTING ESPORTS
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LOL jjakji says "hyun is gay" in Hyun's own support tournament
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The in game chat is fantastic!
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jjakji still sharp on observer sniping ! :D
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My money is on Stardust winning this tournament.
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aw, gg. jjakji lost some units (vikings) too quickly and didn't have much defense for the big push. His drop in the meantime was pretty good but not enough.
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On January 03 2014 00:05 Fusilero wrote:
WOAH JJAKJI, HOMOPHOBIA. HURTING ESPORTS
I agree, except I'm not being sarcasting. :\
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On January 03 2014 00:19 WigglingSquid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 00:05 Fusilero wrote:
WOAH JJAKJI, HOMOPHOBIA. HURTING ESPORTS I agree, except I'm not being sarcasting. :\
don't worry, jjakji was just joking
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Let's do superweird things, because why the fuck not.
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dat stalker hahhaah, widow mine best protoss unit
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On January 03 2014 00:20 slowbacontron wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 00:19 WigglingSquid wrote:On January 03 2014 00:05 Fusilero wrote:
WOAH JJAKJI, HOMOPHOBIA. HURTING ESPORTS I agree, except I'm not being sarcasting. :\ don't worry, jjakji was just joking
Er, that's precisely the problem.
But I don't want to derail the thread, so I'll just give it a rest.
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havent seen 4 gate in pvt for years
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Going to be a quick tournament at this rate. Might've been better to had TvZ and PvP in Semis.
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aw, gg. Stardust pushes too good! jjakji keep fighting!
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poor jjakji but he will rise again! fighting!
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On January 03 2014 00:28 slowbacontron wrote:poor jjakji but he will rise again! fighting!
I think he'll reach top 4 in WCS EU this year
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On January 03 2014 00:28 Dinotramp wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 00:28 slowbacontron wrote:poor jjakji but he will rise again! fighting! I think he'll reach top 4 in WCS EU this year
Top 1 imo!
Lol Symbol must be the Korean Scarlett xD
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just realised i haven't watched symbol's games for so long already @@
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MC with the mindgames in chat and Symbol caught without enough detection :O
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7k viewers, pretty damn impressive
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Nerchio desperately trying to get some attention.
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Symbol playing smartly with burrow roaches!
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these guys should have called crank, the english bonjwa! he was quite entertaining last time golden did something.
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twitch chat is asking for ads, thought I would never see this
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On January 03 2014 00:33 Sjokola wrote:Jesus, way to be an ass
Hardly surprising, the Acer Zerg who will never be as good as Scarlett excels in cuntish remarks and general acts of arsehattery.
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On January 03 2014 00:43 Greendotz wrote:Hardly surprising, the Acer Zerg who will never be as good as Scarlett excels in cuntish remarks and general acts of arsehattery.
Well he's better than scarlett at that
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On January 03 2014 00:41 theBALLS wrote:I feel sad for nerchio.
+1, so sad reaction.
I donated during the Jjakji game, so it definitely raised a lot more than $10 :D.
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On January 03 2014 00:43 Greendotz wrote:Hardly surprising, the Acer Zerg who will never be as good as Scarlett excels in cuntish remarks and general acts of arsehattery.
well he won 25k more than scarlett in his career, so yeah he has this going for him. i still believe he will get back on track and he is showing it in every of his games, he can beat koreans that's for sure.
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MC with the pylon block at both Symbol's nat and third, Golden and Hyun are so annoyed xD
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HYUN don't you fucking quit this game on us! Gogo MC
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BTW what's in it for the winner of this tournament?
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Donated 20 dorra to the hyun fund
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On January 03 2014 00:48 theBALLS wrote:
BTW what's in it for the winner of this tournament?
They save hyun harder.
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LOL Hyun and Golden are so disgusted at the immortals being made
and the 6 gates being made xD
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Golden bonjwa of saving esports
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Nice positioning from Symbol. Just donated to the HyuN fund. Golden you are so amazing doing this.
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would suck if we go to pvp, the games would be so short
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Great defense by Symbol! MC attacked right before 16 roaches, 5 spines, and an upgrade finished o.o
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apparently heromarine stopped streaming and sent his viewers to the tournament, kudos to him
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On January 03 2014 00:53 ETisME wrote:
apparently heromarine stopped streaming and sent his viewers to the tournament, kudos to him
That's nice of him
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On January 03 2014 00:53 ETisME wrote:
apparently heromarine stopped streaming and sent his viewers to the tournament, kudos to him
Dragon should do the same. Hyun would be on 10K
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On January 03 2014 00:54 Dinotramp wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 00:53 ETisME wrote:
apparently heromarine stopped streaming and sent his viewers to the tournament, kudos to him Dragon should do the same. Hyun would be on 10K
sounds like he heard you
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On January 03 2014 00:54 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 00:54 Dinotramp wrote:On January 03 2014 00:53 ETisME wrote:
apparently heromarine stopped streaming and sent his viewers to the tournament, kudos to him Dragon should do the same. Hyun would be on 10K sounds like he heard you
That's really decent of him and Heromarine.
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On January 03 2014 00:54 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 00:54 Dinotramp wrote:On January 03 2014 00:53 ETisME wrote:
apparently heromarine stopped streaming and sent his viewers to the tournament, kudos to him Dragon should do the same. Hyun would be on 10K sounds like he heard you
Now Artosis should do the same.
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This is awesome
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On January 03 2014 00:55 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 00:54 BigFan wrote:On January 03 2014 00:54 Dinotramp wrote:On January 03 2014 00:53 ETisME wrote:
apparently heromarine stopped streaming and sent his viewers to the tournament, kudos to him Dragon should do the same. Hyun would be on 10K sounds like he heard you Now Artosis should do the same.
Imagine if SingSing sent all his viewers here
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Did Symbol go 2 hatch 1 gas before pool? O.o And MC being greedy as well o.o
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On January 03 2014 00:45 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 00:43 Greendotz wrote:On January 03 2014 00:33 Sjokola wrote:Jesus, way to be an ass Hardly surprising, the Acer Zerg who will never be as good as Scarlett excels in cuntish remarks and general acts of arsehattery. well he won 25k more than scarlett in his career, so yeah he has this going for him. i still believe he will get back on track and he is showing it in every of his games, he can beat koreans that's for sure.
The fact that Fruitdealer, a guy who essentially retired in 2011 is still 23rd in the earners list shows just how much trust I put in earnings as a measure of skill 
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On January 03 2014 00:55 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 00:54 BigFan wrote:On January 03 2014 00:54 Dinotramp wrote:On January 03 2014 00:53 ETisME wrote:
apparently heromarine stopped streaming and sent his viewers to the tournament, kudos to him Dragon should do the same. Hyun would be on 10K sounds like he heard you Now Artosis should do the same.
I can't see artosis there :S
On January 03 2014 00:56 DavoS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 00:55 Aeromi wrote:On January 03 2014 00:54 BigFan wrote:On January 03 2014 00:54 Dinotramp wrote:On January 03 2014 00:53 ETisME wrote:
apparently heromarine stopped streaming and sent his viewers to the tournament, kudos to him Dragon should do the same. Hyun would be on 10K sounds like he heard you Now Artosis should do the same. Imagine if SingSing sent all his viewers here
doubt Dota 2 viewers will want to watch SCII(some of them) lol.
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On January 03 2014 00:58 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 00:55 Aeromi wrote:On January 03 2014 00:54 BigFan wrote:On January 03 2014 00:54 Dinotramp wrote:On January 03 2014 00:53 ETisME wrote:
apparently heromarine stopped streaming and sent his viewers to the tournament, kudos to him Dragon should do the same. Hyun would be on 10K sounds like he heard you Now Artosis should do the same. I can't see artosis there :S Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 00:56 DavoS wrote:On January 03 2014 00:55 Aeromi wrote:On January 03 2014 00:54 BigFan wrote:On January 03 2014 00:54 Dinotramp wrote:On January 03 2014 00:53 ETisME wrote:
apparently heromarine stopped streaming and sent his viewers to the tournament, kudos to him Dragon should do the same. Hyun would be on 10K sounds like he heard you Now Artosis should do the same. Imagine if SingSing sent all his viewers here doubt Dota 2 viewers will want to watch SCII(some of them) lol.
He is streaming Heath of the Stone
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2 oracle 1 phoenix, iiiiiiiiiinteresting
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"air immortal" haha, though that doesn't really describe oracle
still, MC got some good damage in there
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I don't want to balance whine but christ Oracles are tough to counter so early in the game.
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Golden is literally a god. He retires only to become the most productive force in bridging foreigner and korean sc2 in a long time.
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On January 03 2014 00:53 ETisME wrote:
apparently heromarine stopped streaming and sent his viewers to the tournament, kudos to him
I love the kid, it was the first time ever but I had to make a reddit post about it, such cool guy . It's not like he gets 3k+ viewers every time, so it means a lot.
This tournament is really awesome btw, I love the cast. Thanks to Golden again!
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On January 03 2014 00:59 Dinotramp wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 00:58 BigFan wrote:On January 03 2014 00:55 Aeromi wrote:On January 03 2014 00:54 BigFan wrote:On January 03 2014 00:54 Dinotramp wrote:On January 03 2014 00:53 ETisME wrote:
apparently heromarine stopped streaming and sent his viewers to the tournament, kudos to him Dragon should do the same. Hyun would be on 10K sounds like he heard you Now Artosis should do the same. I can't see artosis there :S On January 03 2014 00:56 DavoS wrote:On January 03 2014 00:55 Aeromi wrote:On January 03 2014 00:54 BigFan wrote:On January 03 2014 00:54 Dinotramp wrote:On January 03 2014 00:53 ETisME wrote:
apparently heromarine stopped streaming and sent his viewers to the tournament, kudos to him Dragon should do the same. Hyun would be on 10K sounds like he heard you Now Artosis should do the same. Imagine if SingSing sent all his viewers here doubt Dota 2 viewers will want to watch SCII(some of them) lol. He is streaming Heath of the Stone
Is that a new blizzard game
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Haha, did they just say "Void ray so wow"?
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You cant donate for him?
(This recipient is currently unable to receive money.)
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On January 03 2014 01:03 theBALLS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 00:59 Dinotramp wrote:On January 03 2014 00:58 BigFan wrote:On January 03 2014 00:55 Aeromi wrote:On January 03 2014 00:54 BigFan wrote:On January 03 2014 00:54 Dinotramp wrote:On January 03 2014 00:53 ETisME wrote:
apparently heromarine stopped streaming and sent his viewers to the tournament, kudos to him Dragon should do the same. Hyun would be on 10K sounds like he heard you Now Artosis should do the same. I can't see artosis there :S On January 03 2014 00:56 DavoS wrote:On January 03 2014 00:55 Aeromi wrote:On January 03 2014 00:54 BigFan wrote:On January 03 2014 00:54 Dinotramp wrote:On January 03 2014 00:53 ETisME wrote:
apparently heromarine stopped streaming and sent his viewers to the tournament, kudos to him Dragon should do the same. Hyun would be on 10K sounds like he heard you Now Artosis should do the same. Imagine if SingSing sent all his viewers here doubt Dota 2 viewers will want to watch SCII(some of them) lol. He is streaming Heath of the Stone Is that a new blizzard game
Yeah. You never played HotS?
Heart of the Swarm
Heroes of the Storm
Hearth of the Stone
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I wonder if Golden and Hyun know about the over 9000 meme :o
Void rays vs Mutas, of course mutas are better there :o
Symbol kills the double oracles! Big MC push inc. MC has been up in supply this whole time until now :o
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On January 03 2014 01:04 TaKemE wrote:
You cant donate for him?
(This recipient is currently unable to receive money.)
I donated £10 about 20 mins ago and it worked okay
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Hyun's right, Symbol's in good shape now!
13 mutas inc :o
Catches a full warpprism and harrasses MC's natural!
STORRRRMMMMMMMMMMMM on the roaches!
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Quite a good game. Hope Symbol wins though
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MC HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLDS!!!
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this game is turning so awesome
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On January 03 2014 00:57 Greendotz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 00:45 Undead1993 wrote:On January 03 2014 00:43 Greendotz wrote:On January 03 2014 00:33 Sjokola wrote:Jesus, way to be an ass Hardly surprising, the Acer Zerg who will never be as good as Scarlett excels in cuntish remarks and general acts of arsehattery. well he won 25k more than scarlett in his career, so yeah he has this going for him. i still believe he will get back on track and he is showing it in every of his games, he can beat koreans that's for sure. The fact that Fruitdealer, a guy who essentially retired in 2011 is still 23rd in the earners list shows just how much trust I put in earnings as a measure of skill
yet you are taking one mediocre year in nerchio's career to predict that he will never be able to reach scarlett's skill.
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On January 03 2014 01:10 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 00:57 Greendotz wrote:On January 03 2014 00:45 Undead1993 wrote:On January 03 2014 00:43 Greendotz wrote:On January 03 2014 00:33 Sjokola wrote:Jesus, way to be an ass Hardly surprising, the Acer Zerg who will never be as good as Scarlett excels in cuntish remarks and general acts of arsehattery. well he won 25k more than scarlett in his career, so yeah he has this going for him. i still believe he will get back on track and he is showing it in every of his games, he can beat koreans that's for sure. The fact that Fruitdealer, a guy who essentially retired in 2011 is still 23rd in the earners list shows just how much trust I put in earnings as a measure of skill yet you are taking one mediocre year in nerchio's career to predict that he will never be able to reach scarlett's skill.
Nerchio will never be as good as Scarlett, he never has been either.
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Yeah, this is pretty spectacular
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Do Time Warps grant you vision?
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Big storm on the locusts O.o the low cost locust
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On January 03 2014 01:12 Dinotramp wrote:
Do Time Warps grant you vision?
pretty sure no
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Haha, those locusts when to town on the nexus. Crikey
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Just about 10K viewers! :D
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So glad my work called everyone off because of the snow storm. Playing Dota while watching this on the big screen is an awesome way to spend the day.
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not sure about this move by mc here
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This is a great game, wow
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Daaaamn YEAH SYMBOL
That was pretty close eh
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Wow really intense engagement! Such a close hold o.o
MC hungry though
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yay random basetrades with stardust and symbol incoming!
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That game was better than most of the random games I catch every now and then.
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No mirror match final should be good for the viewer numbers too.
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On January 03 2014 01:17 Undead1993 wrote:
yay random basetrades with stardust and symbol incoming!
Stardust vs Shine would be the weirdest PvZ ever.
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That was an awsome game! : D
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On January 03 2014 01:04 TaKemE wrote:
You cant donate for him?
(This recipient is currently unable to receive money.)
Can anyone confirm? PayPal is known to have finicky policies forsudden increases in payments received and I'm fairly sure that they frown upon donations to anyone but registered charities.
If they've blocked Hyun's account you'd better start making noise now.
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wow i am getting ad for the first time :D
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On January 03 2014 01:18 ETisME wrote:
wow i am getting ad for the first time :D
Same here... I wish they played more ads ^^
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On January 03 2014 01:18 WigglingSquid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 01:04 TaKemE wrote:
You cant donate for him?
(This recipient is currently unable to receive money.) Can anyone confirm? PayPal is known to have finicky policies with sudden increases in payments received and I'm fairly sure that they frown upon donations to anyone but registered charities. If they've blocked Hyun's account you'd better start making noise now.
You can donate.
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Really awesome game 3! Thankfully the final isn't a mirror.
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This is like the first time twitch chat is nice during a tournament. Asking for ads and stuff.
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So many tech switches from Symbol on that last game. That was pretty neat.
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Golden's voice is really similar to ViOlet's
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On January 03 2014 01:21 Aelendis wrote:
So many tech switches from Symbol on that last game. That was pretty neat.
Classic Symbol. Shame not to see any Nydus though
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just donated 10 dollars Hyun fighting #SaveHyun
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On January 03 2014 01:21 Tamagoshi wrote:
Golden's voice is really similar to ViOlet's
Yeah, thought it was him a few times
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Symbol picks Terran and Stardust immediately ggs haha
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Aw Symbol should have played terran, he has the sickest marine splits!
nooo dropped
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god i hope it's not ddos :X
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turned off adblock.
For once i don't rage at ads.
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On January 03 2014 01:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Stardust vs. Symbol Bo5.
Cheesiest BO5 PvZ ever
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oops he deleted and now i have to delete mine :X
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What now they drop the Birthday info ! Happy birthday Symbol!
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Looks like Stardust is still doing that 2-1 timing.
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Soo many FFs by Stardust, but Symbol still holds on!!
or does he :o
so many ovies killed :o but great fungals!
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Wow just noticed Stardust floating those resources.
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Immortals living up to their name here
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man, I still can't watch this. Am I the only one? :S
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oh man these engagements are so close! Symbol has more supply but fewer workers. Big infestor push now inc!
44 lings !
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haha this is soooooo symbol
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"He has so many armies" needs to become a meme or something.
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Did the ITs kill the forge before the upgrade finished?? It was really close :o
guess it didn't matter much
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Can't believe Symbol held that, obviously we must buff the immortal.
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On January 03 2014 01:39 slowbacontron wrote:
Did the ITs kill the forge before the upgrade finished?? It was really close :o
guess it didn't matter much
They did it.
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On January 03 2014 01:39 slowbacontron wrote:
Did the ITs kill the forge before the upgrade finished?? It was really close :o
guess it didn't matter much
By about 2 seconds
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Symbol showing some decent ZvP today.
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Thanks for the answers. I'm impressed by symbol!
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Symbol really playing some great ZvP this tournament.
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On January 03 2014 01:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Symbol really playing some great ZvP this tournament.
couldn't tell ya, stream doesn't seem to like me today ><; lol. Oh well, maybe it's for the best.
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On January 03 2014 01:45 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 01:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Symbol really playing some great ZvP this tournament. couldn't tell ya, stream doesn't seem to like me today ><; lol. Oh well, maybe it's for the best.
Twitch is so balls lately, since running it through command prompt and VLC, it works like a charm.
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On January 03 2014 01:45 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 01:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Symbol really playing some great ZvP this tournament. couldn't tell ya, stream doesn't seem to like me today ><; lol. Oh well, maybe it's for the best.
Unfortunately the tournament will be over in like an hour too.
The commentary is great as well ^^
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Haha, greed and all-inning always comes together.
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So much greed, good grief.
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On January 03 2014 01:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 01:45 BigFan wrote:On January 03 2014 01:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Symbol really playing some great ZvP this tournament. couldn't tell ya, stream doesn't seem to like me today ><; lol. Oh well, maybe it's for the best. Unfortunately the tournament will be over in like an hour too. The commentary is great as well ^^
ya, afreeca restreams don't work and twitch is being stupid and not running either :/ I wanted to see the commentary and some ZvPs mostly.
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makes 2 nexus and forge, such cheesedust :o
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It's basically cheese for a toss to take three bases so quick
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if stardust defend this.....
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On January 03 2014 01:46 Dinotramp wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 01:45 BigFan wrote:On January 03 2014 01:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Symbol really playing some great ZvP this tournament. couldn't tell ya, stream doesn't seem to like me today ><; lol. Oh well, maybe it's for the best. Twitch is so balls lately, since running it through command prompt and VLC, it works like a charm.
through command prompt and VLC? hmm, care to share for future purposes?
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Listening to Hyun cast I keep having flashes of shiba inu with headset.
So many armies. Such strong. Much GG. Wow.
+ Show Spoiler +totally beautiful this entire tournament and all the support.
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Symbol throwing away dozens of zerglings there...
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And crazy action already ! Big ling attack by Symbol on nexus but Msc, overcharge and zealots = 58 zerg units dead and nexus alive :O
then oracles xD (i think)
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whuut 3 stargate is cheese?
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On January 03 2014 01:48 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 01:46 Dinotramp wrote:On January 03 2014 01:45 BigFan wrote:On January 03 2014 01:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Symbol really playing some great ZvP this tournament. couldn't tell ya, stream doesn't seem to like me today ><; lol. Oh well, maybe it's for the best. Twitch is so balls lately, since running it through command prompt and VLC, it works like a charm. through command prompt and VLC? hmm, care to share for future purposes?
https://github.com/chrippa/livestreamer/releases/download/v1.7.2/livestreamer-v1.7.2-win32-setup.exe
Have Fun! ^^
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You just can't deny a protoss fast third with the nexus cannon. I've lost too many ladder games trying to do so...
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It's pretty hilarious how hard it is to kill aa nexus once it has finished.
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Chrono out those Phoenix Stardust!
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Protoss always holds these days.
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stream turns on just as the zerglings attack and the nexus survives then turns off XD I think Stardust got this lol
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Hahahaha! Love that shit. :D
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Any idea on how much $$$ hyun is up to now?
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Quick gg with phoenixes to defend the mutas!
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On January 03 2014 01:50 Aelendis wrote:
You just can't deny a protoss fast third with the nexus cannon. I've lost too many ladder games trying to do so...
I've seen it happen plenty of times, particularly on derelict
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these guys are better commentators then ANYONE else that casts, dead srs I find them so much better then incontrol artosis and all the others
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On January 03 2014 01:51 BigFan wrote:
stream turns on just as the zerglings attack and the nexus survives then turns off XD I think Stardust got this lol
2 min after, Symbol ggs lol
On January 03 2014 01:52 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 01:50 Aelendis wrote:
You just can't deny a protoss fast third with the nexus cannon. I've lost too many ladder games trying to do so... I've seen it happen plenty of times, particularly on derelict
I think that cannon played a big role.
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On January 03 2014 01:52 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 01:50 Aelendis wrote:
You just can't deny a protoss fast third with the nexus cannon. I've lost too many ladder games trying to do so... I've seen it happen plenty of times, particularly on derelict
Yeah but I'm a noob :D
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On January 03 2014 01:53 shivver wrote:
these guys are better commentators then ANYONE else that casts, dead srs I find them so much better then incontrol artosis and all the others
what's the reason for this? that they are talking half of the time korean?
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On January 03 2014 01:52 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 01:50 Aelendis wrote:
You just can't deny a protoss fast third with the nexus cannon. I've lost too many ladder games trying to do so... I've seen it happen plenty of times, particularly on derelict
Same.
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On January 03 2014 01:53 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 01:53 shivver wrote:
these guys are better commentators then ANYONE else that casts, dead srs I find them so much better then incontrol artosis and all the others what's the reason for this? that they are talking half of the time korean?
that they are not faking excitement or trying to cast in English? I dunno lol
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On January 03 2014 01:52 tshi wrote:
Any idea on how much $$$ hyun is up to now?
A mod in his chat told that he will tweet how much he made after the streaming.
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Hyun should just tell us what pair of crazy pants he wants to buy with this money so we could start a kickstarter.
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On January 03 2014 01:53 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 01:53 shivver wrote:
these guys are better commentators then ANYONE else that casts, dead srs I find them so much better then incontrol artosis and all the others what's the reason for this? that they are talking half of the time korean?
No they're just being playful instead of the over dramatics you get with foreign casters "OMGZ yah that's SOOOO SMART" ( day 9 )
On January 03 2014 01:54 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 01:53 Undead1993 wrote:On January 03 2014 01:53 shivver wrote:
these guys are better commentators then ANYONE else that casts, dead srs I find them so much better then incontrol artosis and all the others what's the reason for this? that they are talking half of the time korean? that they are not faking excitement
bingo
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bodily functions killing esports omg
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LOL symbol almost forgot to pick zerg again and then they just spam the keyboard to type zerg
(just found out zerg in korean is pronounced very similar to chinese)
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Stardust must have glanced at the Huk guide to PvZ recently.
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Stardust loves to all in.
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Haha 12 drones.
Symbol is dead. GG
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omg symbol is soooo miss reading this
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Yes, yes. Pull those drones.
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Missing that proxy pylon was harsh :o
Stardust pushes so strong again!
But Symbol's not dead yet! But he is down >10 drones.
GG! Symbol has tenacity though
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so many army, so amaze, such wow
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symbol defended really well actually, what a shame
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On January 03 2014 01:57 shivver wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 01:53 Undead1993 wrote:On January 03 2014 01:53 shivver wrote:
these guys are better commentators then ANYONE else that casts, dead srs I find them so much better then incontrol artosis and all the others what's the reason for this? that they are talking half of the time korean? No they're just being playful instead of the over dramatics you get with foreign casters "OMGZ yah that's SOOOO SMART" ( day 9 ) Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 01:54 BigFan wrote:On January 03 2014 01:53 Undead1993 wrote:On January 03 2014 01:53 shivver wrote:
these guys are better commentators then ANYONE else that casts, dead srs I find them so much better then incontrol artosis and all the others what's the reason for this? that they are talking half of the time korean? that they are not faking excitement bingo
ok that's fair, but not every caster does fake excitement but yes i agree with this part.
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Symbol forever second place...
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On January 03 2014 00:15 Dinotramp wrote:
My money is on Stardust winning this tournament.
Looks like I should've put a few Dogecoins on it
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On January 03 2014 02:08 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 01:57 shivver wrote:On January 03 2014 01:53 Undead1993 wrote:On January 03 2014 01:53 shivver wrote:
these guys are better commentators then ANYONE else that casts, dead srs I find them so much better then incontrol artosis and all the others what's the reason for this? that they are talking half of the time korean? No they're just being playful instead of the over dramatics you get with foreign casters "OMGZ yah that's SOOOO SMART" ( day 9 ) On January 03 2014 01:54 BigFan wrote:On January 03 2014 01:53 Undead1993 wrote:On January 03 2014 01:53 shivver wrote:
these guys are better commentators then ANYONE else that casts, dead srs I find them so much better then incontrol artosis and all the others what's the reason for this? that they are talking half of the time korean? that they are not faking excitement bingo ok that's fair, but not every caster does fake excitement but yes i agree with this part.
I agree that not EVERY one does, but most of them are obnoxious. I like apollo, sometimes tasteless can get a little over the top but generally he's not nearly as bad as the others
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have some love for this <3
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Why are we dissing casters? It's nice to listen to Korean pro's occasionally but it would be insufferable if this is all we had.
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lol symbol is getting a much earlier roach warren this game
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Lol. Twitch chat on this stream surprisingly good. Doesn't make me want to bleach my eyes.
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and he doesn't build roaches T T
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On January 03 2014 02:15 felisconcolori wrote:
Lol. Twitch chat on this stream surprisingly good. Doesn't make me want to bleach my eyes.
You have really low standards
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revival is in the chat too :D
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Pretty poor read by Symbol on that 4gate pressure...
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On January 03 2014 02:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 02:15 felisconcolori wrote:
Lol. Twitch chat on this stream surprisingly good. Doesn't make me want to bleach my eyes. You have really low standards
Well, the kappa per minute is almost non-existent, lots of outpouring of <3 for Hyun, and it has Cella, Innovation, and Revival.
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gg wp! Stardust wins 3-1!
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laughed so hard at bitbybit
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Yeah go StarDust!!! mYinsanity fighting!
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GG Stardust! his pushes are so strong TT
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lol cella and revival going toss imba in the chat XD
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I am just here for the pants
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hopefully me staying up for hyun will bring me good luck to early morning job interview tomorrow :D
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Thanks to Golden and Hyun for this event! Best of luck to Hyun!
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What was the prize money though ?
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i watched it and donated a bit. but i gotta agree hyun should get a lawyer and try to get quantic/simon to pay his money anyway.
I also would love to hear the amount of money which was collected
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Hyun vs. San coming up! O.o
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On January 03 2014 02:29 slowbacontron wrote:
Hyun vs. San coming up! O.o
San got this easy. Don't need to watch to know that
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San vs Taeja. OOOH OOOH OOOOH
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On January 03 2014 02:30 BigFan wrote:San got this easy. Don't need to watch to know that
Aw, BM
Ohhhh it's San vs. Taeja SanFan!!
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WTF Taeja vs San now?
Pure madness.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
San vs Taeja also byul popped into the lobby I wonder if he'll turn up.
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Oh it's San vs San's biggest fan.
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LOL "savehyun and saveterran plz"
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LOL Taeja says #SaveTerran
A guy in twitch chat with the funniest post:
zalkin_:
Taeja, who art in Korea, hallowed be thy timing. Thy 3rd CC come, thy +2 be done, on ladder as it is in IEM. Give us this day our daily cheese, and forgive us our BM as we forgive those who BM against us. Lead us not into all ins, but deliver us from protoss. For thine is the command center, the stim, and the glory for Earth. Amen.
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On January 03 2014 02:33 ImperialFist wrote:
LOL Taeja says #SaveTerran
A guy in twitch chat with the funniest post:
zalkin_:
Taeja, who art in Korea, hallowed be thy timing. Thy 3rd CC come, thy +2 be done, on ladder as it is in IEM. Give us this day our daily cheese, and forgive us our BM as we forgive those who BM against us. Lead us not into all ins, but deliver us from protoss. For thine is the command center, the stim, and the glory for Earth. Amen.
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1u6vqk/church_of_taejas_wednesday_mass/ :o
People got passion lol
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On January 03 2014 02:35 slowbacontron wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 02:33 ImperialFist wrote:
LOL Taeja says #SaveTerran
A guy in twitch chat with the funniest post:
zalkin_:
Taeja, who art in Korea, hallowed be thy timing. Thy 3rd CC come, thy +2 be done, on ladder as it is in IEM. Give us this day our daily cheese, and forgive us our BM as we forgive those who BM against us. Lead us not into all ins, but deliver us from protoss. For thine is the command center, the stim, and the glory for Earth. Amen.
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1u6vqk/church_of_taejas_wednesday_mass/ :o People got passion lol
hahah I got a good laugh :D and then I cried
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Damn Taeja, he defended so well
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Taeja with the nice DT defense :D
Golden with the nice toothbrushing :D
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How is Taeja able to win all the fights O.o :O
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Taeja is insanely good, map is looking great actually with all the open space
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
Hyun vs taeja next. Center and daisy spotted in the lobby.
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Hyun vs. Taeja now!!! hype
changed to vs. San!
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Sweet I will be watching this, smart idea #saveHyun
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On January 03 2014 02:56 IcED Bk wrote:
Sweet I will be watching this, smart idea #saveHyun
The tournament has finished D: Hyun is still streaming, though! Right now is himself vs. San
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Can I get the scores of all the matches?
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I Love Hyun! Was a fun tournament to watch
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On January 03 2014 02:35 slowbacontron wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 02:33 ImperialFist wrote:
LOL Taeja says #SaveTerran
A guy in twitch chat with the funniest post:
zalkin_:
Taeja, who art in Korea, hallowed be thy timing. Thy 3rd CC come, thy +2 be done, on ladder as it is in IEM. Give us this day our daily cheese, and forgive us our BM as we forgive those who BM against us. Lead us not into all ins, but deliver us from protoss. For thine is the command center, the stim, and the glory for Earth. Amen.
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1u6vqk/church_of_taejas_wednesday_mass/ :o People got passion lol
There is only one true religion. Long live the church of BSports. I now declare war upon other churches. The BSport's crusade has begun!
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On January 03 2014 04:08 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 02:35 slowbacontron wrote:On January 03 2014 02:33 ImperialFist wrote:
LOL Taeja says #SaveTerran
A guy in twitch chat with the funniest post:
zalkin_:
Taeja, who art in Korea, hallowed be thy timing. Thy 3rd CC come, thy +2 be done, on ladder as it is in IEM. Give us this day our daily cheese, and forgive us our BM as we forgive those who BM against us. Lead us not into all ins, but deliver us from protoss. For thine is the command center, the stim, and the glory for Earth. Amen.
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1u6vqk/church_of_taejas_wednesday_mass/ :o People got passion lol There is only one true religion. Long live the church of BSports. I now declare war upon other churches. The BSport's crusade has begun!
One doesn't simply copy the Church of BSports. I say a no; I say a no. BSport only real sport.
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I was at work What was the viewer count during the event?
Also, did they announce hoe much they had raised?
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This is really nice, and a good idea. But how sad has the state of SC2 esports gotten?
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On January 03 2014 04:35 Xahhk wrote:
This is really nice, and a good idea. But how sad has the state of SC2 esports gotten?
It's not limited to Starcraft (2) - it's happened in SC:BW, LoL and DotA (and probably others I don't know as well) as well.
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On January 03 2014 04:35 Xahhk wrote:
This is really nice, and a good idea. But how sad has the state of SC2 esports gotten?
It gets sadder every time that questions is asked.
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This is awesome! Help Hyun :D!
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On January 03 2014 04:38 Spektor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 04:35 Xahhk wrote:
This is really nice, and a good idea. But how sad has the state of SC2 esports gotten? It gets sadder every time that questions is asked.
... and it kills kitten!
Stay positiv, HyuN!
I haven't had the time to watch, but i've switched in to trigger an add, from time to time!
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Bisutopia19225 Posts
On January 03 2014 04:47 Striker.superfreunde wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 04:38 Spektor wrote:On January 03 2014 04:35 Xahhk wrote:
This is really nice, and a good idea. But how sad has the state of SC2 esports gotten? It gets sadder every time that questions is asked. ... and it kills kitten! Stay positiv, HyuN! I haven't had the time to watch, but i've switched in to trigger an add, from time to time!
The kitten population is out of control. Not sure I'd promote that fact.
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On January 03 2014 04:52 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 04:47 Striker.superfreunde wrote:On January 03 2014 04:38 Spektor wrote:On January 03 2014 04:35 Xahhk wrote:
This is really nice, and a good idea. But how sad has the state of SC2 esports gotten? It gets sadder every time that questions is asked. ... and it kills kitten! Stay positiv, HyuN! I haven't had the time to watch, but i've switched in to trigger an add, from time to time! The kitten population is out of control. Not sure I'd promote that fact.
I don't know if there are engouh funny cat-clips in the web, yet!
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On January 03 2014 04:33 tili wrote:I was at work What was the viewer count during the event? Also, did they announce hoe much they had raised?
Consistently around 10k.
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On January 03 2014 04:38 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 04:35 Xahhk wrote:
This is really nice, and a good idea. But how sad has the state of SC2 esports gotten? It's not limited to Starcraft (2) - it's happened in SC:BW, LoL and DotA (and probably others I don't know as well) as well.
Most common case is with Grubby and 4 kings in WC3
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I gave 23,000$, hope it helped.
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On January 03 2014 05:45 dafunk wrote:
I gave 23,000$, hope it helped.
Your joking right?
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This is awesome. :D #saveHyuN
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Did they record Vods of thsi?
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On January 03 2014 02:35 slowbacontron wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 02:33 ImperialFist wrote:
LOL Taeja says #SaveTerran
A guy in twitch chat with the funniest post:
zalkin_:
Taeja, who art in Korea, hallowed be thy timing. Thy 3rd CC come, thy +2 be done, on ladder as it is in IEM. Give us this day our daily cheese, and forgive us our BM as we forgive those who BM against us. Lead us not into all ins, but deliver us from protoss. For thine is the command center, the stim, and the glory for Earth. Amen.
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1u6vqk/church_of_taejas_wednesday_mass/ :o People got passion lol
that was good.
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On January 03 2014 04:33 tili wrote:I was at work What was the viewer count during the event? Also, did they announce hoe much they had raised?
Around 10k live viewers when I was watching.
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Where dat snitch at?37015 Posts
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Does anybody have a link to the VODs? I looked on HyuN's twitch channel and he has no videos or past broadcasts. T_T
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On January 03 2014 10:28 creamyturtle wrote:
Does anybody have a link to the VODs? I looked on HyuN's twitch channel and he has no videos or past broadcasts. T_T
Someone in the chat mentioned that Twitch now does not auto-record the videos, so probably there will be no vods. I liked more the showmatches than the tournament itself, but that's me.
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On January 03 2014 11:09 xN.07)MaK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 10:28 creamyturtle wrote:
Does anybody have a link to the VODs? I looked on HyuN's twitch channel and he has no videos or past broadcasts. T_T Someone in the chat mentioned that Twitch now does not auto-record the videos, so probably there will be no vods. I liked more the showmatches than the tournament itself, but that's me.
Thanks dude. I am going to hope and pray that some smart person recorded the stream and will post it on youtube.
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"Thank you for your interesting"
So cute!
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On January 03 2014 12:09 creamyturtle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 11:09 xN.07)MaK wrote:On January 03 2014 10:28 creamyturtle wrote:
Does anybody have a link to the VODs? I looked on HyuN's twitch channel and he has no videos or past broadcasts. T_T Someone in the chat mentioned that Twitch now does not auto-record the videos, so probably there will be no vods. I liked more the showmatches than the tournament itself, but that's me. Thanks dude. I am going to hope and pray that some smart person recorded the stream and will post it on youtube.
Twitch auto recorded this one
http://www.twitch.tv/quantichyun/b/492049207
Starts at 23:21
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how much money did got raised ?????
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On January 03 2014 12:23 slowbacontron wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 12:09 creamyturtle wrote:On January 03 2014 11:09 xN.07)MaK wrote:On January 03 2014 10:28 creamyturtle wrote:
Does anybody have a link to the VODs? I looked on HyuN's twitch channel and he has no videos or past broadcasts. T_T Someone in the chat mentioned that Twitch now does not auto-record the videos, so probably there will be no vods. I liked more the showmatches than the tournament itself, but that's me. Thanks dude. I am going to hope and pray that some smart person recorded the stream and will post it on youtube. Twitch auto recorded this one http://www.twitch.tv/quantichyun/b/492049207Starts at 23:21
THIS
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i donated some, hope it helps hyun to stay in sc2...
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Golden should receive the "Most Awesome Bro in SC2" Award for this. Seriously way to be awesome Golden
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Many ppl was asking me. can you do support tournament again? so my friends decided , Last Support HyuN Tournament !!! QuanticHyuN vs LiquidTaeja ROOTSage vs Dragon it will be casting by Khaldor on Jan 5 1:00AM KST (Jan 4 08:00AM PDT 11:00AM EDT 5:00PMCET)
support hyun tourney #2 incoming
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Golden the saviour of e-sports
i am just gonna leave my stream on Hyun the whole time regardless offline/online
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On January 04 2014 16:43 opterown wrote:
Many ppl was asking me. can you do support tournament again? so my friends decided , Last Support HyuN Tournament !!! QuanticHyuN vs LiquidTaeja ROOTSage vs Dragon it will be casting by Khaldor on Jan 5 1:00AM KST (Jan 4 08:00AM PDT 11:00AM EDT 5:00PMCET)
support hyun tourney #2 incoming
Sweet. Even casted by Khaldor. Golden is the true bro. A golden bro.
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