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Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
November 30 2013 23:47 GMT
#4901
On December 01 2013 08:45 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 08:42 Sabu113 wrote:
On December 01 2013 08:41 Ramiz1989 wrote:
No matter how Terran's economy is crippled, he will still be on feet because of Mules and better upgrades, so I don't know what is Life trying.


and a 75/75 great splash unit that comes out in two?

Just always see zergs bleeding gas. They need somehting like lurkers to be able to hold ground semi-effectively or make it painful to push into some places.

Zergs need to go Hive tech earlier.

When do you have the chance to go to hive tech exactly? Not only does it takes ages to get the infestor pit and the hive but then you need spend anther ton to make some use out of it. Hive tech usually aint worth it.
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
November 30 2013 23:47 GMT
#4902
On December 01 2013 08:46 Gorlin wrote:
Life
I think Taeja is definitely the best player in the world.


I still think its Dear.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
November 30 2013 23:47 GMT
#4903
On December 01 2013 08:45 geokilla wrote:
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On December 01 2013 08:45 Abominous wrote:
On December 01 2013 08:44 Adreme wrote:
I don't understand the current ZvT meta it just doesn't make sense to me why zergs bet everything on winning in mid game instead of developing there army.

Their end-game army isn't mobile enough to keep up with the terran.

But 3/3 Zerg army (not Ultras) makes a huge difference. Instead of investing in one or two mutas, at least tech to Hive.

You realize that it isn't 1-2 Mutas? Just Hive is 1-2 Mutas, than after that, upgrades are like 5-6 more Mutas together with buildings you are going to make. There is no point in teching to Hive if you don't plan using Hive at all.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Ufnal
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland1435 Posts
November 30 2013 23:47 GMT
#4904
I'm usually against balance whine... But it bothers me that Terran with half the number of workers and basically without gas income still beats the crap out of Zerg, no problem. You could even say that he should be thankful that he lost the SCVs, as this only freed up space for more freakin' marines. The Terran has a constant marine building strat which is nearly unbreakable without crippling his economy first... And he's got unsinkable economy, too. I hope I'm wrong and somebody will correct me... But I really couldn't enjoy the last game because of a nagging feeling that this is wrong.

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ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
November 30 2013 23:47 GMT
#4905
On December 01 2013 08:46 goody153 wrote:
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On December 01 2013 08:44 Dodgin wrote:
well Taeja is obviously player of the year, he may not have won a WCS event but he won FIVE premier tournaments including some insanely tough ones like this.

and he still not the best terran .. he even admits this .. and this is not making any sense ill be honest

But which Terran would you consider to be better? Innovation? His TvT is really subpar and even his TvZ has fallen off a little in the last 1-2 months.
Get off my lawn, young punks
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
November 30 2013 23:47 GMT
#4906
On December 01 2013 08:46 Figgy wrote:
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On December 01 2013 08:44 Adreme wrote:
I don't understand the current ZvT meta it just doesn't make sense to me why zergs bet everything on winning in mid game instead of developing there army.


The only thing you can really add are infestors.

Marines destroy Ultralisks and Brood Lords, too.

Speedvacs are pretty damned good.

sure marines. versus 6 armor.
Countdown to victory: 1 200!
Kiran
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany52 Posts
November 30 2013 23:47 GMT
#4907
31 scvs vs 65 drones. this is starcraft logic. grats to liquid, but this still sucks ass.
Fungal Storm of green glue!
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
November 30 2013 23:47 GMT
#4908
Ultras can be really damn good with with flanks and infestors to support.
Holloworb
Profile Joined November 2011
Norway345 Posts
November 30 2013 23:47 GMT
#4909
So happy, Liquid!! :D
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
November 30 2013 23:47 GMT
#4910
Dreamhack should just ship all the cheques to TeamLiquid and save themselves the hassle.
ShadowReaver
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada563 Posts
November 30 2013 23:47 GMT
#4911
Yeah, so happy for Taeja!!!
Koesader
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands424 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-30 23:48:22
November 30 2013 23:48 GMT
#4912
C'mon guys, whining about mules is so 2010
TaeJa played just so much better, 6-2 in total
Liquid'TaeJa - Grubby - MVPMarineKing - Liquid'Ret - AxCranK - RedBull.Bomber ~~~ Are You Ready For Bombing?
bourne117
Profile Joined May 2010
United States837 Posts
November 30 2013 23:48 GMT
#4913
Taeja Dear or Maru are probably the clear best in the world after this event.
QO Feasting
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44267 Posts
November 30 2013 23:48 GMT
#4914
On December 01 2013 08:46 pak150 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 08:45 Abominous wrote:
On December 01 2013 08:44 Adreme wrote:
I don't understand the current ZvT meta it just doesn't make sense to me why zergs bet everything on winning in mid game instead of developing there army.

Their end-game army isn't mobile enough to keep up with the terran.


That, and it's also difficult to invest the time/resources into infestation pit and hive and survive against constant pressure. Personally I'd love to see 3/3 at infestation tech.

that would be nice .. but in exchange terrans should have a buff so that they can finally tech up .. not get stuck with marine marauder
this is a quote
pyro19
Profile Joined August 2010
6575 Posts
November 30 2013 23:48 GMT
#4915
On December 01 2013 08:47 75 wrote:
this is perfectly lined up for the darude gig

Uh oh.
Thy Shall Die Alone...or emm..something like that.
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-30 23:48:54
November 30 2013 23:48 GMT
#4916
On December 01 2013 08:47 Popkiller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 08:46 Gorlin wrote:
Life
I think Taeja is definitely the best player in the world.


I still think its Dear.

Dear is my tentative second. Fact is Taeja won 5 premiers in 6 months, that's absolutely ridiculous.
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
November 30 2013 23:48 GMT
#4917
terran nerfs soon but I don't care. TaeJa will find a way
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
November 30 2013 23:48 GMT
#4918
On December 01 2013 08:47 Kiran wrote:
31 scvs vs 65 drones. this is starcraft logic. grats to liquid, but this still sucks ass.

you cannot get an advantage with 65 drones if you dont have anywhere to mine from.
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
November 30 2013 23:48 GMT
#4919
On December 01 2013 08:47 Popkiller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 08:46 Gorlin wrote:
Life
I think Taeja is definitely the best player in the world.


I still think its Dear.


drop it.
FuRRie
Profile Joined February 2009
Belgium815 Posts
November 30 2013 23:48 GMT
#4920
On December 01 2013 08:47 Kiran wrote:
31 scvs vs 65 drones. this is starcraft logic. grats to liquid, but this still sucks ass.


Drones so usefull on mined out bases...
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