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Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
November 30 2013 23:49 GMT
#4941
Damn, Taeja had a much better army and 4 mining bases, Life had like his 3rd and that's it, he could have 200 drones and still has shit eco.
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
November 30 2013 23:49 GMT
#4942
On December 01 2013 08:47 Kiran wrote:
31 scvs vs 65 drones. this is starcraft logic. grats to liquid, but this still sucks ass.


65 Drones on what 2 mineral lines at best ? Doesn't mean shit.
InspiredFrog
Profile Joined February 2009
Finland522 Posts
November 30 2013 23:49 GMT
#4943
On December 01 2013 08:47 figq wrote:
DREAMHACK
owned by Liquid

Every year Liquid wins 2 Dreamhacks for 3 years in a row now.


<3
Much | Iris | July --- TaeJa | HerO | TLO
HsDLTitich
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Italy831 Posts
November 30 2013 23:49 GMT
#4944
On December 01 2013 08:48 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 08:47 Kiran wrote:
31 scvs vs 65 drones. this is starcraft logic. grats to liquid, but this still sucks ass.

you cannot get an advantage with 65 drones if you dont have anywhere to mine from.


This.

Life had his 3rd/4th sniped a billion times, he had 65 drones mining from one/two bases, THAT makes no sense.
I used to organize tournaments for ESL Italy and referee Go4SC2s, WCSs, and IEMs for ESL SC2.
ObeseHydra
Profile Joined March 2013
Brazil196 Posts
November 30 2013 23:49 GMT
#4945
Taeja is by far the most regular SC2 player. He doesn't have a clear weakpoint as others and excels in all three matchups.

Congratz! Player of the year hands down.
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
November 30 2013 23:49 GMT
#4946
On December 01 2013 08:48 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 08:47 Popkiller wrote:
On December 01 2013 08:46 Gorlin wrote:
Life
I think Taeja is definitely the best player in the world.


I still think its Dear.


drop it.

Why, I also think Dear is the best Protoss right now?
Get off my lawn, young punks
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
November 30 2013 23:49 GMT
#4947
On December 01 2013 08:48 FFW_Rude wrote:
Serious question. When is the last time a Zerg won a tournament ?

October 13th. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VIII_-_New_York
Kiran
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany52 Posts
November 30 2013 23:49 GMT
#4948
On December 01 2013 08:47 Assirra wrote:
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On December 01 2013 08:45 geokilla wrote:
On December 01 2013 08:42 Sabu113 wrote:
On December 01 2013 08:41 Ramiz1989 wrote:
No matter how Terran's economy is crippled, he will still be on feet because of Mules and better upgrades, so I don't know what is Life trying.


and a 75/75 great splash unit that comes out in two?

Just always see zergs bleeding gas. They need somehting like lurkers to be able to hold ground semi-effectively or make it painful to push into some places.

Zergs need to go Hive tech earlier.

When do you have the chance to go to hive tech exactly? Not only does it takes ages to get the infestor pit and the hive but then you need spend anther ton to make some use out of it. Hive tech usually aint worth it.


this. why is spire tech not able to tech to hive?!
Fungal Storm of green glue!
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 30 2013 23:49 GMT
#4949
On December 01 2013 08:46 goody153 wrote:
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On December 01 2013 08:44 Dodgin wrote:
well Taeja is obviously player of the year, he may not have won a WCS event but he won FIVE premier tournaments including some insanely tough ones like this.

and he still not the best terran .. he even admits this .. and this is not making any sense ill be honest


Doesn't matter who is actually the best player, what matters is getting the results.

Taeja won 5 tournaments this year, I don't think any other player won more than 2.
WerderBremen
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany1070 Posts
November 30 2013 23:49 GMT
#4950
Dreamhack wp as usual.
"Thats the moment you send the kids outta the room - when you get contained by MarineKing." Tasteless
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
November 30 2013 23:49 GMT
#4951
On December 01 2013 08:48 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 08:46 pak150 wrote:
On December 01 2013 08:45 Abominous wrote:
On December 01 2013 08:44 Adreme wrote:
I don't understand the current ZvT meta it just doesn't make sense to me why zergs bet everything on winning in mid game instead of developing there army.

Their end-game army isn't mobile enough to keep up with the terran.


That, and it's also difficult to invest the time/resources into infestation pit and hive and survive against constant pressure. Personally I'd love to see 3/3 at infestation tech.

that would be nice .. but in exchange terrans should have a buff so that they can finally tech up .. not get stuck with marine marauder

Do terrans even have anything better in their higher tech then MMMM? It feels like the ultimate terran comp already.
thoradycus
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia3262 Posts
November 30 2013 23:49 GMT
#4952
On December 01 2013 08:47 Ufnal wrote:
I'm usually against balance whine... But it bothers me that Terran with half the number of workers and basically without gas income still beats the crap out of Zerg, no problem. You could even say that he should be thankful that he lost the SCVs, as this only freed up space for more freakin' marines. The Terran has a constant marine building strat which is nearly unbreakable without crippling his economy first... And he's got unsinkable economy, too. I hope I'm wrong and somebody will correct me... But I really couldn't enjoy the last game because of a nagging feeling that this is wrong.

zerg had no bases, and zerg never really had the army advantage in the game anyway
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
November 30 2013 23:49 GMT
#4953
On December 01 2013 08:49 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 08:47 Popkiller wrote:
On December 01 2013 08:46 Gorlin wrote:
Life
I think Taeja is definitely the best player in the world.


I still think its Dear.

Bomber is the best player in the world.

roooooooooooooooofl!!
scrub - inexperienced player with relatively little skill and excessive arrogance
pak150
Profile Joined September 2010
United States531 Posts
November 30 2013 23:49 GMT
#4954
On December 01 2013 08:47 Ufnal wrote:
I'm usually against balance whine... But it bothers me that Terran with half the number of workers and basically without gas income still beats the crap out of Zerg, no problem. You could even say that he should be thankful that he lost the SCVs, as this only freed up space for more freakin' marines. The Terran has a constant marine building strat which is nearly unbreakable without crippling his economy first... And he's got unsinkable economy, too. I hope I'm wrong and somebody will correct me... But I really couldn't enjoy the last game because of a nagging feeling that this is wrong.


I think this is why I think Life's style is more suited to ZvP than ZvT. Yes, killing workers is good in both matchups, but in ZvT the terran can always bank on mules, and their late game army is extremely mineral based, so the resources you sacrifice killing workers in run-bys could probably be better spent elsewhere.
Dinotramp
Profile Joined August 2012
Nauru2871 Posts
November 30 2013 23:49 GMT
#4955
On December 01 2013 08:49 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 08:47 Popkiller wrote:
On December 01 2013 08:46 Gorlin wrote:
Life
I think Taeja is definitely the best player in the world.


I still think its Dear.

Bomber is the best player in the world.


at losing to canadians?
RIP Starcraft scene in the UK. Defeated by EG money and Swedish Zergs.
rasnj
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1959 Posts
November 30 2013 23:49 GMT
#4956
On December 01 2013 08:46 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 08:44 Dodgin wrote:
well Taeja is obviously player of the year, he may not have won a WCS event but he won FIVE premier tournaments including some insanely tough ones like this.

and he still not the best terran .. he even admits this .. and this is not making any sense ill be honest

Pros cannot be trusted to give an unbiased view of themselves or their own race. There is still some discussion to be had and games to be played, but Taeja could very well be the best T at the moment. Who is better?
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
November 30 2013 23:49 GMT
#4957
On December 01 2013 08:48 JustPassingBy wrote:
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On December 01 2013 08:46 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On December 01 2013 08:45 JerKy wrote:
LOL I love how she says it in english then korean

As opposed to...?


You know, the proper way of having one interviewer speaking the language the masses understand and having one translator who translates it on the fly directly into the ear of interviewee. But eSports isn't far enough yet for that.


She used english to quote what he said on Twitter FYI
The curse is real
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
November 30 2013 23:50 GMT
#4958
On December 01 2013 08:48 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 08:48 goody153 wrote:
On December 01 2013 08:46 pak150 wrote:
On December 01 2013 08:45 Abominous wrote:
On December 01 2013 08:44 Adreme wrote:
I don't understand the current ZvT meta it just doesn't make sense to me why zergs bet everything on winning in mid game instead of developing there army.

Their end-game army isn't mobile enough to keep up with the terran.


That, and it's also difficult to invest the time/resources into infestation pit and hive and survive against constant pressure. Personally I'd love to see 3/3 at infestation tech.

that would be nice .. but in exchange terrans should have a buff so that they can finally tech up .. not get stuck with marine marauder

MMMMM probably needs a nerf if we want to get a good Tier 3 tho.

yeah. Terran t3. what should this army look like? bc and ravens supported by thors? I'm so sick of this tier bullshit.
Countdown to victory: 1 200!
Vesky
Profile Joined January 2013
United States857 Posts
November 30 2013 23:50 GMT
#4959
On December 01 2013 08:47 Ufnal wrote:
I'm usually against balance whine... But it bothers me that Terran with half the number of workers and basically without gas income still beats the crap out of Zerg, no problem. You could even say that he should be thankful that he lost the SCVs, as this only freed up space for more freakin' marines. The Terran has a constant marine building strat which is nearly unbreakable without crippling his economy first... And he's got unsinkable economy, too. I hope I'm wrong and somebody will correct me... But I really couldn't enjoy the last game because of a nagging feeling that this is wrong.


Taeja had an advantage to start with, that huge counterattack was life bringing himself back into the game. Then taeja consistently sniped life's fourth, and managed to get his own up, really snowballed after that.

I mean, terran has mules, but there was way more to it than that.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16848 Posts
November 30 2013 23:50 GMT
#4960
On December 01 2013 08:49 Dinotramp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 08:49 Wintex wrote:
On December 01 2013 08:47 Popkiller wrote:
On December 01 2013 08:46 Gorlin wrote:
Life
I think Taeja is definitely the best player in the world.


I still think its Dear.

Bomber is the best player in the world.


at losing to canadians?

You're still nothing.
The Bomber boy
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