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THIS IS GONNA BE CRINGE WORTHY!
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dafuq am i watching this leipzig-bar-stuff O_o
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On June 24 2013 03:09 Delicious Insanity wrote:
THIS IS GONNA BE CRINGE WORTHY!
I'm watching this from behind my couch.
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xD haha the redeye comment xD
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On June 24 2013 03:08 teddyoojo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 03:05 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 03:04 TheBB wrote:On June 24 2013 03:02 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 03:01 bo1b wrote:On June 24 2013 02:59 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:56 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 24 2013 02:54 oogieogie wrote:
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nani? huk? thorzain? Well umm... Nani maybe. didn't huk place in like top 8 for a couple GSLs? lol no he didn't But he did make ro16 three times Didn't he get to ro8 once? Yes I also thought he didnt but it seems he got to ro8 back in 2011 where he lost 0-3 to Mvp. But when I think of successful foreigners in GSL I would say Naniwa showed the most. He actually played when game was all figured out and seasons were much tougher than back in 2011 Got to love a guy in 2013 who says we had it all figured out in 2012. So you are saying playing WoL in 2011 was more difficult than playing in the last couple of seasons before Hots came out? I am talking about WoL not Hots, I thought that was obvious zerg was figured out in 2012, build broodlords and infestors
Actualy some zergs "LosirA" for one kept there own style and went ling/Ultra instead.
Please don't make fun of those ty.
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On June 24 2013 03:05 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 03:04 TheBB wrote:On June 24 2013 03:02 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 03:01 bo1b wrote:On June 24 2013 02:59 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:56 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 24 2013 02:54 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:53 SupLilSon wrote:
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Zergs have long been the only foreigners able to match vs Koreans for good reason. nani? huk? thorzain? Well umm... Nani maybe. didn't huk place in like top 8 for a couple GSLs? lol no he didn't But he did make ro16 three times Didn't he get to ro8 once? Yes I also thought he didnt but it seems he got to ro8 back in 2011 where he lost 0-3 to Mvp. But when I think of successful foreigners in GSL I would say Naniwa showed the most. He actually played when game was all figured out and seasons were much tougher than back in 2011 Got to love a guy in 2013 who says we had it all figured out in 2012. So you are saying playing WoL in 2011 was more difficult than playing in the last couple of seasons before Hots came out? I am talking about WoL not Hots, I thought that was obvious
WoL was NOT figured out at all.
Did you miss the new metagame in ZvP? Life's ling hydra counter to immortal sentries all in, Kespa Toss's stargate into immortal sentries all in?
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On June 24 2013 03:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 03:06 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 03:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 24 2013 02:58 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 24 2013 02:56 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 SupLilSon wrote:On June 24 2013 02:54 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:53 SupLilSon wrote:On June 24 2013 02:51 Killcani wrote:
3/4 Zergs in top4 and they are talking about terran nerfs?! LOL Zergs have long been the only foreigners able to match vs Koreans for good reason. nani? huk? thorzain? What is this? 2010-2011? >have long been the only foreigners able to match vs Koreans..doesn't say anything about date. Well then we gotta count Jinro as #1 foreigner. fine by me You're just arguing for the sake of arguing now. The game was far from figured out until 2012 when people started to get good. What happened in a game that wasn't figured out is pretty irrelevant imo. Like, I could have invented the 4gate and won a GSL with it. so previous accomplishments mean nothing? Also I highly doubt you could have invented the 4gate and won GSL since a zerg one the first one. You said that zergs have long been the only foreigners, and I said other ones that while a bit ago were once able to compete with koreans too. If you didn't want that then be more specific and say something like "no none zerg foreigners at this time can compete with koreans in HOTS." I didn't say that, that was some other guy. What I'm saying is ever since the game has been somewhat figured out towards the end of WoL, the only foreigners really able to consistently compete with koreans are zergs and Naniwa.
w/e, and there has been others like Jinro, Huk etc.
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TaKe-ila Sunrise, i'd like to try that lol
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Take-eela sunrise? Its raping my soul, make it stop.
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On June 24 2013 03:08 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 03:05 Daogin wrote:On June 24 2013 03:04 sAsImre wrote:On June 24 2013 03:02 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 03:01 bo1b wrote:On June 24 2013 02:59 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:56 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 24 2013 02:54 oogieogie wrote:
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nani? huk? thorzain? Well umm... Nani maybe. didn't huk place in like top 8 for a couple GSLs? lol no he didn't But he did make ro16 three times Didn't he get to ro8 once? Yes I also thought he didnt but it seems he got to ro8 back in 2011 where he lost 0-3 to Mvp. But when I think of successful foreigners in GSL I would say Naniwa showed the most. He actually played when game was all figured out and seasons were much tougher than back in 2011 and stay in it on the back of his PvP while he was unable to qualify. Even if the game was wild and Terran probably the best race at that time Jinro did back to back ro4 and qualify legitly at least. Huk was like one of the only protoss to stick around in GSL during the sad zealot era which says quite a lot imo, he's done it more then once to. yeah huk was rly good, and was way more complete than naniwa (who's record against Lucky speak for itself :p) still i think that 2 ro4 are better than 2ro16 + a ro8. If we extrapolate about balance Huk have a really legit case tho.
Meh They all did fantastic during their own respective times, each dominant in their own way and each able to compete with koreans to a certain extent, idk why people argue about it so much.
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Huk is so bad these days its better if he doesn't get mentioned. All he ever does now is YOLO gateway allin, and terrible ones at that. You can still see the quality in Naniwa's games, win or lose, he has something he brings to the table. Huk was really good back then, I don't think that can be denied, but he's going to need a complete makeover.
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On June 24 2013 03:08 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 03:07 TheBB wrote:On June 24 2013 03:05 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 03:04 TheBB wrote:On June 24 2013 03:02 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 03:01 bo1b wrote:On June 24 2013 02:59 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:56 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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Well umm... Nani maybe. didn't huk place in like top 8 for a couple GSLs? lol no he didn't But he did make ro16 three times Didn't he get to ro8 once? Yes I also thought he didnt but it seems he got to ro8 back in 2011 where he lost 0-3 to Mvp. But when I think of successful foreigners in GSL I would say Naniwa showed the most. He actually played when game was all figured out and seasons were much tougher than back in 2011 Got to love a guy in 2013 who says we had it all figured out in 2012. So you are saying playing WoL in 2011 was more difficult than playing in the last couple of seasons before Hots came out? I am talking about WoL not Hots, I thought that was obvious I'm not saying that. I'm saying it's impossible for you to know that we had complete knowledge of WoL in 2012. You are just splitting hairs. I am pretty sure most people would agree that WoL was for most part figured out in the last couple of seasons of GSL and that competition was much tougher than in the early days
It's not splitting hairs at all. Its meaningless to say WoL was "figured out" when everyone stopped playing immediately after.
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On June 24 2013 03:08 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 03:07 TheBB wrote:On June 24 2013 03:05 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 03:04 TheBB wrote:On June 24 2013 03:02 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 03:01 bo1b wrote:On June 24 2013 02:59 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:56 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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Well umm... Nani maybe. didn't huk place in like top 8 for a couple GSLs? lol no he didn't But he did make ro16 three times Didn't he get to ro8 once? Yes I also thought he didnt but it seems he got to ro8 back in 2011 where he lost 0-3 to Mvp. But when I think of successful foreigners in GSL I would say Naniwa showed the most. He actually played when game was all figured out and seasons were much tougher than back in 2011 Got to love a guy in 2013 who says we had it all figured out in 2012. So you are saying playing WoL in 2011 was more difficult than playing in the last couple of seasons before Hots came out? I am talking about WoL not Hots, I thought that was obvious I'm not saying that. I'm saying it's impossible for you to know that we had complete knowledge of WoL in 2012. You are just splitting hairs. I am pretty sure most people would agree that WoL was for most part figured out in the last couple of seasons of GSL and that competition was much tougher than in the early days
That's pretty easy to say though when no one is figuring out stuff about WoL anymore :D I'm pretty sure if HotS hadn't come out, people would've figured more stuff out, refined stuff that was already strong etc etc making it not totally figured out. But alas...
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On June 24 2013 03:06 oogieogie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 03:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 24 2013 02:58 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 24 2013 02:56 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 SupLilSon wrote:On June 24 2013 02:54 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:53 SupLilSon wrote:On June 24 2013 02:51 Killcani wrote:
3/4 Zergs in top4 and they are talking about terran nerfs?! LOL Zergs have long been the only foreigners able to match vs Koreans for good reason. nani? huk? thorzain? What is this? 2010-2011? >have long been the only foreigners able to match vs Koreans..doesn't say anything about date. Well then we gotta count Jinro as #1 foreigner. fine by me You're just arguing for the sake of arguing now. The game was far from figured out until 2012 when people started to get good. What happened in a game that wasn't figured out is pretty irrelevant imo. Like, I could have invented the 4gate and won a GSL with it. so previous accomplishments mean nothing? Also I highly doubt you could have invented the 4gate and won GSL since a zerg won the first one. You said that zergs have long been the only foreigners, and I said other ones that while a bit ago were once able to compete with koreans too. If you didn't want that then be more specific and say something like "no none zerg foreigners at this time can compete with koreans in HOTS."
Yea I did say that and you cited 3 P/T foreigners who had success like 2 years ago. Where are they now? Oh yea, getting trampled by the Zergs lol. I don't care if HuK was in Code S during the midpoint of WoL. That is a LONG time ago in terms of SC2.
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They are all TLO-Pokemon!
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On June 24 2013 03:10 hummingbird23 wrote:
Huk is so bad these days its better if he doesn't get mentioned. All he ever does now is YOLO gateway allin, and terrible ones at that. You can see the quality in Naniwa's games, win or lose, he has something he brings to the table. Huk was really good back then, I don't think that can be denied, but he's going to need a complete makeover.
Well let's see how he does if he has done some analysis on StarDust. He will see that 5-8 gate all-ins still work. You just need 10+ sentries xD
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On June 24 2013 03:10 oogieogie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 03:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 24 2013 03:06 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 03:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 24 2013 02:58 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 24 2013 02:56 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 SupLilSon wrote:On June 24 2013 02:54 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:53 SupLilSon wrote:
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Zergs have long been the only foreigners able to match vs Koreans for good reason. nani? huk? thorzain? What is this? 2010-2011? >have long been the only foreigners able to match vs Koreans..doesn't say anything about date. Well then we gotta count Jinro as #1 foreigner. fine by me You're just arguing for the sake of arguing now. The game was far from figured out until 2012 when people started to get good. What happened in a game that wasn't figured out is pretty irrelevant imo. Like, I could have invented the 4gate and won a GSL with it. so previous accomplishments mean nothing? Also I highly doubt you could have invented the 4gate and won GSL since a zerg one the first one. You said that zergs have long been the only foreigners, and I said other ones that while a bit ago were once able to compete with koreans too. If you didn't want that then be more specific and say something like "no none zerg foreigners at this time can compete with koreans in HOTS." I didn't say that, that was some other guy. What I'm saying is ever since the game has been somewhat figured out towards the end of WoL, the only foreigners really able to consistently compete with koreans are zergs and Naniwa. w/e, and there has been others like Jinro, Huk etc.
Did you actually read my post. Like, be serious. Did you read it?
I bolded the part that matters.
Jinro and Huk have not done anything notable ever since the game got more figured out.
And actually yes, I could have invented the 4gate and won a GSL with it. That's how MC won his first one.
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On June 24 2013 03:11 sOda~ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 03:08 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 03:07 TheBB wrote:On June 24 2013 03:05 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 03:04 TheBB wrote:On June 24 2013 03:02 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 03:01 bo1b wrote:On June 24 2013 02:59 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:56 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 oogieogie wrote:
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didn't huk place in like top 8 for a couple GSLs? lol no he didn't But he did make ro16 three times Didn't he get to ro8 once? Yes I also thought he didnt but it seems he got to ro8 back in 2011 where he lost 0-3 to Mvp. But when I think of successful foreigners in GSL I would say Naniwa showed the most. He actually played when game was all figured out and seasons were much tougher than back in 2011 Got to love a guy in 2013 who says we had it all figured out in 2012. So you are saying playing WoL in 2011 was more difficult than playing in the last couple of seasons before Hots came out? I am talking about WoL not Hots, I thought that was obvious I'm not saying that. I'm saying it's impossible for you to know that we had complete knowledge of WoL in 2012. You are just splitting hairs. I am pretty sure most people would agree that WoL was for most part figured out in the last couple of seasons of GSL and that competition was much tougher than in the early days It's not splitting hairs at all. Its meaningless to say WoL was "figured out" when everyone stopped playing immediately after.
i doubt much would change from WOL if no balanced patchs got introduced..it was the same thing for like every ZvP already and ZvT.
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On June 24 2013 03:11 sOda~ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 03:08 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 03:07 TheBB wrote:On June 24 2013 03:05 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 03:04 TheBB wrote:On June 24 2013 03:02 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 03:01 bo1b wrote:On June 24 2013 02:59 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:56 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 oogieogie wrote:
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didn't huk place in like top 8 for a couple GSLs? lol no he didn't But he did make ro16 three times Didn't he get to ro8 once? Yes I also thought he didnt but it seems he got to ro8 back in 2011 where he lost 0-3 to Mvp. But when I think of successful foreigners in GSL I would say Naniwa showed the most. He actually played when game was all figured out and seasons were much tougher than back in 2011 Got to love a guy in 2013 who says we had it all figured out in 2012. So you are saying playing WoL in 2011 was more difficult than playing in the last couple of seasons before Hots came out? I am talking about WoL not Hots, I thought that was obvious I'm not saying that. I'm saying it's impossible for you to know that we had complete knowledge of WoL in 2012. You are just splitting hairs. I am pretty sure most people would agree that WoL was for most part figured out in the last couple of seasons of GSL and that competition was much tougher than in the early days It's not splitting hairs at all. Its meaningless to say WoL was "figured out" when everyone stopped playing immediately after.
I was talking about last couple of seasons, not the last season... I also compared it to 2011. Even if it weren't completely figured out it was way more explored than in 2011.
But ok, this conversation is getting tiresome and it is not suited for this thread.
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On June 24 2013 03:08 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 03:07 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On June 24 2013 03:04 TheBB wrote:On June 24 2013 03:02 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 03:01 bo1b wrote:On June 24 2013 02:59 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:56 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 24 2013 02:54 oogieogie wrote:
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nani? huk? thorzain? Well umm... Nani maybe. didn't huk place in like top 8 for a couple GSLs? lol no he didn't But he did make ro16 three times Didn't he get to ro8 once? Yes I also thought he didnt but it seems he got to ro8 back in 2011 where he lost 0-3 to Mvp. But when I think of successful foreigners in GSL I would say Naniwa showed the most. He actually played when game was all figured out and seasons were much tougher than back in 2011 Got to love a guy in 2013 who says we had it all figured out in 2012. WoL was totally figured out at the end Thank god that that blanket statement is easily proven, and that the competitive game didn't go through a major overhaul recently.
Really? The meta did not change 1 iota (other than very slightly in TvP) for 6-8 months, every match up was basically 1 BO vs 1 BO every game.
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