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On June 24 2013 03:02 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 03:01 bo1b wrote:On June 24 2013 02:59 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:56 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 24 2013 02:54 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:53 SupLilSon wrote:On June 24 2013 02:51 Killcani wrote:
3/4 Zergs in top4 and they are talking about terran nerfs?! LOL Zergs have long been the only foreigners able to match vs Koreans for good reason. nani? huk? thorzain? Well umm... Nani maybe. didn't huk place in like top 8 for a couple GSLs? lol no he didn't But he did make ro16 three times Didn't he get to ro8 once? Yes I also thought he didnt but it seems he got to ro8 back in 2011 where he lost 0-3 to Mvp. But when I think of successful foreigners in GSL I would say Naniwa showed the most. He actually played when game was all figured out and seasons were much tougher than back in 2011
and stay in it on the back of his PvP while he was unable to qualify. Even if the game was wild and Terran probably the best race at that time Jinro did back to back ro4 and qualify legitly at least.
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Looks like Snute's stay at the EGTL house has been very productive for him.
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On June 24 2013 03:04 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 03:02 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 03:01 bo1b wrote:On June 24 2013 02:59 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:56 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 24 2013 02:54 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:53 SupLilSon wrote:On June 24 2013 02:51 Killcani wrote:
3/4 Zergs in top4 and they are talking about terran nerfs?! LOL Zergs have long been the only foreigners able to match vs Koreans for good reason. nani? huk? thorzain? Well umm... Nani maybe. didn't huk place in like top 8 for a couple GSLs? lol no he didn't But he did make ro16 three times Didn't he get to ro8 once? Yes I also thought he didnt but it seems he got to ro8 back in 2011 where he lost 0-3 to Mvp. But when I think of successful foreigners in GSL I would say Naniwa showed the most. He actually played when game was all figured out and seasons were much tougher than back in 2011 and stay in it on the back of his PvP while he was unable to qualify. Even if the game was wild and Terran probably the best race at that time Jinro did back to back ro4 and qualify legitly at least.
Huk was like one of the only protoss to stick around in GSL during the sad zealot era which says quite a lot imo, he's done it more then once to.
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On June 24 2013 03:01 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 02:59 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:56 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 24 2013 02:54 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:53 SupLilSon wrote:On June 24 2013 02:51 Killcani wrote:
3/4 Zergs in top4 and they are talking about terran nerfs?! LOL Zergs have long been the only foreigners able to match vs Koreans for good reason. nani? huk? thorzain? Well umm... Nani maybe. didn't huk place in like top 8 for a couple GSLs? lol no he didn't But he did make ro16 three times He also got spoonfed multiple chances and never actually qualified for GSL the real way. It's impressive what he did but anyone would be a fool to think he was truly competitive.
Uh... He is still the only foreigner to have climbed from code A to code S, made it through the up downs multiple times, and even earned a qualifying seed for his Orlando victory but he was already in code S so the seed went to the runner up MC. But if you're just blind to all that then so be it.
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On June 24 2013 03:04 TheBB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 03:02 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 03:01 bo1b wrote:On June 24 2013 02:59 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:56 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 24 2013 02:54 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:53 SupLilSon wrote:On June 24 2013 02:51 Killcani wrote:
3/4 Zergs in top4 and they are talking about terran nerfs?! LOL Zergs have long been the only foreigners able to match vs Koreans for good reason. nani? huk? thorzain? Well umm... Nani maybe. didn't huk place in like top 8 for a couple GSLs? lol no he didn't But he did make ro16 three times Didn't he get to ro8 once? Yes I also thought he didnt but it seems he got to ro8 back in 2011 where he lost 0-3 to Mvp. But when I think of successful foreigners in GSL I would say Naniwa showed the most. He actually played when game was all figured out and seasons were much tougher than back in 2011 Got to love a guy in 2013 who says we had it all figured out in 2012.
So you are saying playing WoL in 2011 was more difficult than playing in the last couple of seasons before Hots came out?
I am talking about WoL not Hots, I thought that was obvious
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On June 24 2013 03:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 02:58 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 24 2013 02:56 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 SupLilSon wrote:On June 24 2013 02:54 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:53 SupLilSon wrote:On June 24 2013 02:51 Killcani wrote:
3/4 Zergs in top4 and they are talking about terran nerfs?! LOL Zergs have long been the only foreigners able to match vs Koreans for good reason. nani? huk? thorzain? What is this? 2010-2011? >have long been the only foreigners able to match vs Koreans..doesn't say anything about date. Well then we gotta count Jinro as #1 foreigner. fine by me You're just arguing for the sake of arguing now. The game was far from figured out until 2012 when people started to get good. What happened in a game that wasn't figured out is pretty irrelevant imo. Like, I could have invented the 4gate and won a GSL with it.
so previous accomplishments mean nothing? Also I highly doubt you could have invented the 4gate and won GSL since a zerg won the first one. You said that zergs have long been the only foreigners, and I said other ones that while a bit ago were once able to compete with koreans too. If you didn't want that then be more specific and say something like "no none zerg foreigners at this time can compete with koreans in HOTS."
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On June 24 2013 03:05 Sein wrote:
Looks like Snute's stay at the EGTL house has been very productive for him.
2x invited 2x the finals ? Let's not forget he did insanely well last time. But yeah EGTL house sure should help him.
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On June 24 2013 03:04 TheBB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 03:02 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 03:01 bo1b wrote:On June 24 2013 02:59 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:56 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 24 2013 02:54 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:53 SupLilSon wrote:On June 24 2013 02:51 Killcani wrote:
3/4 Zergs in top4 and they are talking about terran nerfs?! LOL Zergs have long been the only foreigners able to match vs Koreans for good reason. nani? huk? thorzain? Well umm... Nani maybe. didn't huk place in like top 8 for a couple GSLs? lol no he didn't But he did make ro16 three times Didn't he get to ro8 once? Yes I also thought he didnt but it seems he got to ro8 back in 2011 where he lost 0-3 to Mvp. But when I think of successful foreigners in GSL I would say Naniwa showed the most. He actually played when game was all figured out and seasons were much tougher than back in 2011 Got to love a guy in 2013 who says we had it all figured out in 2012.
WoL was totally figured out at the end
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On June 24 2013 03:05 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 03:04 TheBB wrote:On June 24 2013 03:02 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 03:01 bo1b wrote:On June 24 2013 02:59 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:56 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 24 2013 02:54 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:53 SupLilSon wrote:
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Zergs have long been the only foreigners able to match vs Koreans for good reason. nani? huk? thorzain? Well umm... Nani maybe. didn't huk place in like top 8 for a couple GSLs? lol no he didn't But he did make ro16 three times Didn't he get to ro8 once? Yes I also thought he didnt but it seems he got to ro8 back in 2011 where he lost 0-3 to Mvp. But when I think of successful foreigners in GSL I would say Naniwa showed the most. He actually played when game was all figured out and seasons were much tougher than back in 2011 Got to love a guy in 2013 who says we had it all figured out in 2012. So you are saying playing WoL in 2011 was more difficult than playing in the last couple of seasons before Hots came out? I am talking about WoL not Hots, I thought that was obvious
I'm not saying that. I'm saying it's impossible for you to know that we had complete knowledge of WoL in 2012.
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On June 24 2013 03:01 SpiffD wrote:
Are other people having trouble with twitch chat not working?
yeah ever since twitch has been down yesterday it hasn't been working at all
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^^When there's a longer than usual gap between games, even TL LR thread chat turns to crap.
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oooo, just tuned in. was TLO vs taeja as close as it seems from the score?
really awesome how good TLO has become ever since he left behind his super-gimmicky days... although i kinda miss his crazy builds :o
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On June 24 2013 03:05 Daogin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 03:04 sAsImre wrote:On June 24 2013 03:02 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 03:01 bo1b wrote:On June 24 2013 02:59 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:56 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 24 2013 02:54 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:53 SupLilSon wrote:
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Zergs have long been the only foreigners able to match vs Koreans for good reason. nani? huk? thorzain? Well umm... Nani maybe. didn't huk place in like top 8 for a couple GSLs? lol no he didn't But he did make ro16 three times Didn't he get to ro8 once? Yes I also thought he didnt but it seems he got to ro8 back in 2011 where he lost 0-3 to Mvp. But when I think of successful foreigners in GSL I would say Naniwa showed the most. He actually played when game was all figured out and seasons were much tougher than back in 2011 and stay in it on the back of his PvP while he was unable to qualify. Even if the game was wild and Terran probably the best race at that time Jinro did back to back ro4 and qualify legitly at least. Huk was like one of the only protoss to stick around in GSL during the sad zealot era which says quite a lot imo, he's done it more then once to.
yeah huk was rly good, and was way more complete than naniwa (who's record against Lucky speak for itself :p) still i think that 2 ro4 are better than 2ro16 + a ro8. If we extrapolate about balance Huk have a really legit case tho.
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On June 24 2013 03:07 fuzzylogic44 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 03:04 TheBB wrote:On June 24 2013 03:02 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 03:01 bo1b wrote:On June 24 2013 02:59 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:56 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 24 2013 02:54 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:53 SupLilSon wrote:
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Zergs have long been the only foreigners able to match vs Koreans for good reason. nani? huk? thorzain? Well umm... Nani maybe. didn't huk place in like top 8 for a couple GSLs? lol no he didn't But he did make ro16 three times Didn't he get to ro8 once? Yes I also thought he didnt but it seems he got to ro8 back in 2011 where he lost 0-3 to Mvp. But when I think of successful foreigners in GSL I would say Naniwa showed the most. He actually played when game was all figured out and seasons were much tougher than back in 2011 Got to love a guy in 2013 who says we had it all figured out in 2012. WoL was totally figured out at the end
Thank god that that blanket statement is easily proven, and that the competitive game didn't go through a major overhaul recently.
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On June 24 2013 03:05 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 03:04 TheBB wrote:On June 24 2013 03:02 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 03:01 bo1b wrote:On June 24 2013 02:59 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:56 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 24 2013 02:54 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:53 SupLilSon wrote:
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Zergs have long been the only foreigners able to match vs Koreans for good reason. nani? huk? thorzain? Well umm... Nani maybe. didn't huk place in like top 8 for a couple GSLs? lol no he didn't But he did make ro16 three times Didn't he get to ro8 once? Yes I also thought he didnt but it seems he got to ro8 back in 2011 where he lost 0-3 to Mvp. But when I think of successful foreigners in GSL I would say Naniwa showed the most. He actually played when game was all figured out and seasons were much tougher than back in 2011 Got to love a guy in 2013 who says we had it all figured out in 2012. So you are saying playing WoL in 2011 was more difficult than playing in the last couple of seasons before Hots came out? I am talking about WoL not Hots, I thought that was obvious
zerg was figured out in 2012, build broodlords and infestors
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On June 24 2013 03:06 oogieogie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 03:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 24 2013 02:58 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 24 2013 02:56 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 SupLilSon wrote:On June 24 2013 02:54 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:53 SupLilSon wrote:On June 24 2013 02:51 Killcani wrote:
3/4 Zergs in top4 and they are talking about terran nerfs?! LOL Zergs have long been the only foreigners able to match vs Koreans for good reason. nani? huk? thorzain? What is this? 2010-2011? >have long been the only foreigners able to match vs Koreans..doesn't say anything about date. Well then we gotta count Jinro as #1 foreigner. fine by me You're just arguing for the sake of arguing now. The game was far from figured out until 2012 when people started to get good. What happened in a game that wasn't figured out is pretty irrelevant imo. Like, I could have invented the 4gate and won a GSL with it. so previous accomplishments mean nothing? Also I highly doubt you could have invented the 4gate and won GSL since a zerg one the first one. You said that zergs have long been the only foreigners, and I said other ones that while a bit ago were once able to compete with koreans too. If you didn't want that then be more specific and say something like "no none zerg foreigners at this time can compete with koreans in HOTS."
I didn't say that, that was some other guy.
What I'm saying is ever since the game has been somewhat figured out towards the end of WoL, the only foreigners really able to consistently compete with koreans are zergs and Naniwa.
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On June 24 2013 03:07 TheBB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 03:05 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 03:04 TheBB wrote:On June 24 2013 03:02 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 03:01 bo1b wrote:On June 24 2013 02:59 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:56 Qwerty85 wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 oogieogie wrote:On June 24 2013 02:55 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 24 2013 02:54 oogieogie wrote:
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nani? huk? thorzain? Well umm... Nani maybe. didn't huk place in like top 8 for a couple GSLs? lol no he didn't But he did make ro16 three times Didn't he get to ro8 once? Yes I also thought he didnt but it seems he got to ro8 back in 2011 where he lost 0-3 to Mvp. But when I think of successful foreigners in GSL I would say Naniwa showed the most. He actually played when game was all figured out and seasons were much tougher than back in 2011 Got to love a guy in 2013 who says we had it all figured out in 2012. So you are saying playing WoL in 2011 was more difficult than playing in the last couple of seasons before Hots came out? I am talking about WoL not Hots, I thought that was obvious I'm not saying that. I'm saying it's impossible for you to know that we had complete knowledge of WoL in 2012.
You are just splitting hairs. I am pretty sure most people would agree that WoL was for most part figured out in the last couple of seasons of GSL and that competition was much tougher than in the early days
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