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Irrational_Animal
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1059 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-15 19:37:17
May 15 2013 19:35 GMT
#1481
What kinda annoys me is that whenever Nani loses, he creates some sort of drama that everyone talks about. It looks like a good method to distract from not too great play.
crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
May 15 2013 19:35 GMT
#1482
On May 16 2013 04:32 Littlesheep wrote:
Is there anything that will scare girls away more than an "I love Esports" T-Shirt? if there is some sort of girl repellent you can buy in stores the social media guy should look into that aswell.


If this is in Germany, they got some sick brothels over there, and they dont care about some "I love esports". Give the social guy some slack, Im sure he is a hell of a guy. If its something that scares the living shit out of not only girls, its the handshake denial..
McBengt
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1684 Posts
May 15 2013 19:35 GMT
#1483
On May 16 2013 04:33 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 04:30 TheDougler wrote:
On May 16 2013 04:29 Wombat_NI wrote:
In defence of Naruto, I am pretty sure from my terrible sporting career and much watching that the expectation is of the loser offering their hand, rather than the winner.

Think of it as in playing ladder I guess, the loser is the one who ggs out, when the obvious winner does it it can smack of gloating (although I don't think that was the case in this instance)


This is making way to much sense here.

I do my best


You still haven't apologised for making me spell like a caveman before.

Anyways, I think there should be manner rules similar to what Kespa had/has and just about every major spectator sport. Esports has enough prejuduce regarding immature juveniles to deal with as it is, we don't need any more.
"My twelve year old will out-reason Bill Maher when it comes to understanding, you know, what, uh, how to logic work" - Rick Santorum
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
May 15 2013 19:35 GMT
#1484
On May 16 2013 04:34 Hypemeup wrote:
More Tweets:

Show nested quote +
i guess i am of old habit and still think the loser should approach the winner for the handshake. just like the loser should always say gg


-Morrow

Show nested quote +
but times change and after talking to some players who believe that it's just "fair play" to shake hands i dont deny it anymore @WWMorroW


Tod follows up his previous tweet.

Show nested quote +
thanks for the cheers but it's not the moment to flame naniwa, just feel happy for me! will try my best next game

Vortix being classy.


calm down, offering a handshake isn't bm, you don't need to protect your idol naniwa T_T
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
BlueFlames
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1756 Posts
May 15 2013 19:35 GMT
#1485
On May 16 2013 04:29 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 04:25 hastur420 wrote:
On May 16 2013 04:23 Type|NarutO wrote:
I don't think the winner should approach the loser with the handshake, especially if its against Naniwa. I think it was actually not more bad mannered of Naniwa to not accept it compared to VortiX even going over. Not bashing VortiX here, just disagree with some people here.


ROFL

yeah sportmanship is a douchy thing now!

naniwa is a douche so you're a douche if you don't expect him to be a douche!

the circle is complete, now bitter naniwa fanboys can go round and round and never encounter the real world.


Yes. NarutO is totally the bitter one here and you aptly made your point about how he calls everyone a douche.

You obviously are way more in touch with the real world, it's easy to see because unlike NarutO you don't get all up in arms over a forum post...

Seriously, he was just calmly stating his opinion.


Calm down guys. All naruto did, was to give an insight why it might have not been the best thing to go over as the winner and offer a handshake. He is right. It can be misinterpreted a lot, just like we are doing here. If we were able to hear what those guys actually said during the handshake, it might clear things up. The bottom line though is, in front of a camera you are expected to shake hands, no matter who goes over first, otherwise people will start a discussion.

All i want to add is, Naniwa just shake his hand and get over it. No matter if its bm or not from him, suck it up and spare yourself the stupid discussions.
4ZakeN87
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1071 Posts
May 15 2013 19:35 GMT
#1486
On May 16 2013 04:32 Oboeman wrote:
its ok if naniwa doesn't want to initiate a handshake.
but when offered a handshake you take it.
If you're insincere about it, just give him a limp floppy one instead of a firm solid one.


Yep. It is one of those things that you just have to force yourself to do even if you not really want it.
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" Einstein
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
May 15 2013 19:35 GMT
#1487
On May 16 2013 04:34 Seiniyta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 04:31 Stress wrote:
On May 16 2013 04:28 Hypemeup wrote:
most progamers in sweden belives the polite way is that the loser approaches to handshake the winner if he feels like it. never vise versa


From morrows twitter

Seemed like Vortix just wanted to gloat to naniwa perhaps.


Yeah, because Vortix knows Swedish 'customs'. Vortix was simply trying to be polite/respectable and Naniwa just went full asshat.


Give me a break, knowing the history between the two players? Do you really believe that?

Does the history matter? Shaking hands is being polite ... no matter what.
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
May 15 2013 19:35 GMT
#1488
On May 16 2013 04:34 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 04:33 Crushinator wrote:
On May 16 2013 04:32 Sc2Null wrote:
love how this thread has turned into "is handshaking bm?"...isn't live report threads suppose to focus on the games not the players


Oh come on now you have over 3k posts, you aren't new here.

So TL is not better than Reddit after all eh?

A LR is not much better usually no.
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
May 15 2013 19:36 GMT
#1489
On May 16 2013 04:29 YoungTyTy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 04:26 Type|NarutO wrote:
On May 16 2013 04:25 .maLice. wrote:
On May 16 2013 04:23 Type|NarutO wrote:
I don't think the winner should approach the loser with the handshake, especially if its against Naniwa. I think it was actually not more bad mannered of Naniwa to not accept it compared to VortiX even going over. Not bashing VortiX here, just disagree with some people here.


At least over here in the states, when we're playing sports we act like men, and win or lose--we shake hands with our opponent..


I didn't say it was mannered, all I said that I think it was just as bad mannered by VortiX especially because you know Naniwa. If you want to show some respect, respect that he's not calm/happy after the loss. Cannot be that hard to understand is nothing but player bashing

So you're saying Vortix is bm because he should understand that Naniwa is too childish to shake his opponents hand. That's dumb.


yes, it's dumb. i think it was good job from vortix calling nani on his bullshit before game, in game and after game.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26765 Posts
May 15 2013 19:36 GMT
#1490
On May 16 2013 04:34 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 04:24 Wombat_NI wrote:
Sigh, I wish Nani wouldn't do this kind of thing all the time. He shall re-enter the wilderness watch some VODs of Korean Protoss players and come back again with some sick builds next tournament no doubt

Fixed that for you.

Nani actually uses a lot of his own builds, but he relies on hiding them for ages for them to do the business, i.e his build he unveiled at Dreamhack
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-15 19:37:44
May 15 2013 19:36 GMT
#1491
On May 16 2013 04:31 .maLice. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 04:28 s3rp wrote:
On May 16 2013 04:25 .maLice. wrote:
On May 16 2013 04:23 Type|NarutO wrote:
I don't think the winner should approach the loser with the handshake, especially if its against Naniwa. I think it was actually not more bad mannered of Naniwa to not accept it compared to VortiX even going over. Not bashing VortiX here, just disagree with some people here.


At least over here in the states, when we're playing sports we act like men, and win or lose--we shake hands with our opponent..


It's still better if the loser is the one extended the handshake. If you do it as a winner it can be seen as an offensive GG if that makes any sense. I mean imagine you just lost and are really pissed and want to cool off for a moment and your opponent runs over to you with a big grin does that seem friendly ? For me it wouldn't seem like that.


Sorry, but being that upset after a loss is pretty unprofessional in my opinion. I'm not saying your wrong, it's probably just a cultural thing.


That has nothing to do with culture . You watch any sports this is very common in US Sports as well. You don't need to be be superfriendly to the person you just lost to if you don't want to. As long as you don't act like an idiot afterwards cooling down for a while is fine.
Sinmelinoe
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada5 Posts
May 15 2013 19:36 GMT
#1492
ppl here are seriously blaming Vortix instead of Naniwa?! what am i reading! O.O
sage_francis
Profile Joined December 2006
France1823 Posts
May 15 2013 19:36 GMT
#1493
On May 16 2013 04:30 Nah wrote:
Pretty bad mannered from Vortix to offer a handshake after a win.

what are you saying?? in live events, winner leave his booth to shake hand of loser very often !!!!
pwnz0r
Profile Joined August 2010
United States123 Posts
May 15 2013 19:36 GMT
#1494
On May 16 2013 04:31 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 04:30 Type|NarutO wrote:
On May 16 2013 04:28 hastur420 wrote:
On May 16 2013 04:27 Type|NarutO wrote:
On May 16 2013 04:25 hastur420 wrote:
On May 16 2013 04:23 Type|NarutO wrote:
I don't think the winner should approach the loser with the handshake, especially if its against Naniwa. I think it was actually not more bad mannered of Naniwa to not accept it compared to VortiX even going over. Not bashing VortiX here, just disagree with some people here.


ROFL

yeah sportmanship is a douchy thing now!

naniwa is a douche so you're a douche if you don't expect him to be a douche!

the circle is complete, now bitter naniwa fanboys can go round and round and never encounter the real world.


Reported - read my post


and reported for what?

laughing at your totally laughable implication that him refusing to shake a hand was just as bad as going there to shake a hand after a game?

hahahaha you guys are priceless.


For ignorance, stupidity and aggressive tone. See MorroW's tweet. I don't know where you are from, but in EVERY sports, loser do approach / initiate the handshake. A winner doing it, is bad sportsmanship JUST AS MUCH as denying it. I bet you won't last very long with <250 posts already acting like the biggest douche ever.

Actually, that's wrong, in the US from HS - college both teams/players shake hands no matter what.



Not only that, in EVERY SINGLE GSL match the winner goes to shake the loser's hand in his booth.
Shantastic
Profile Joined October 2011
United States435 Posts
May 15 2013 19:36 GMT
#1495
It's standard SC2 good-manner for the winner of the match to offer a handshake. Never been required, but it's a sign of respect to your opponent. You don't have to think NaNiwa's a piece of crap for refusing to shake hands, but saying Vortix was BM is pretty silly.
"My grandpa could have proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, but he's also dead." -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2959 Posts
May 15 2013 19:36 GMT
#1496
On May 16 2013 04:34 Ghanburighan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 04:29 Wombat_NI wrote:
In defence of Naruto, I am pretty sure from my terrible sporting career and much watching that the expectation is of the loser offering their hand, rather than the winner.

Think of it as in playing ladder I guess, the loser is the one who ggs out, when the obvious winner does it it can smack of gloating (although I don't think that was the case in this instance)


That's not true at all. In tennis, basketball, fencing, debating, etc. I've always had both sides approach each other. We have several examples from the SC2 scene like Mvp going to console MKP. Just think about MLG games, the winner often went to the loser's booth to thank him for the games. It's supposed to be mutual. It's nothing like an offensive gg as the game is already finalized.


Yep, 100% agree.

So I can think of so many times when the winner approaches the losing player in all kinds of sports and especially often in our Sc2 eSports.

Then again, maybe grubby is a terribly bad mannered guy who had just vile intentions when he went to shake Nerchio's hand at ... some Dreamhack or so I think (there was this GIF thread on reddit).

And in MLG that happens all the time and never ever did anyone consider it insulting. Just now to defend Naniwa...
WrathBringerReturns said: No no no. Sarcasm is detected in the voice. When this forum is riddled with stupidity, you think I can tell every post apart? Fair enough it was intended sarcastically, was it obvious? Of course not.
AntiGrav1ty
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2310 Posts
May 15 2013 19:36 GMT
#1497
Need a fanclub for that bargirl.
www.twitch.tv/antigrav1ty
MaestroSC
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2073 Posts
May 15 2013 19:36 GMT
#1498
initiating a handshake is NOTHING like an offensive GG.

Offensive GG = i win, you lost, get out, you are just wasting our time now.

Initiating a handshake = thanks for the games and I respect your play.


They arent comparable at all.

Refusing a handshake, no matter who initiated just makes you seem like a tantrum throwing child. Which is what he has proven to be
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
May 15 2013 19:37 GMT
#1499
Mannershake~
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
May 15 2013 19:37 GMT
#1500
On May 16 2013 04:34 Ghanburighan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 04:29 Wombat_NI wrote:
In defence of Naruto, I am pretty sure from my terrible sporting career and much watching that the expectation is of the loser offering their hand, rather than the winner.

Think of it as in playing ladder I guess, the loser is the one who ggs out, when the obvious winner does it it can smack of gloating (although I don't think that was the case in this instance)


That's not true at all. In tennis, basketball, fencing, debating, etc. I've always had both sides approach each other. We have several examples from the SC2 scene like Mvp going to console MKP. Just think about MLG games, the winner often went to the loser's booth to thank him for the games. It's supposed to be mutual. It's nothing like an offensive gg as the game is already finalized.


And we have seen pro players give other pro player space. I cannot remember who the opponent was, but someone wanted to shake hands with HerO but saw he was devastated by the loss, I think crying. So he left the booth again. You know Naniwa is rage / on tilt after that. Just give him his space. If he wants to shake hands, he'll do, otherwise just move on?

CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
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