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megapants
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1314 Posts
April 27 2013 17:50 GMT
#4461
On April 28 2013 02:49 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 02:45 Type|NarutO wrote:
On April 28 2013 02:44 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 28 2013 02:43 mechengineer123 wrote:
meh was hoping for some real games, but i guess i dont blame him for cheesing vs gumiho


do you even know what cheese is?


Well that certainly was a cheese, not allin, but cheese. It wasn't simple pressure. Cheese will put you behind if you don't deal damage, allin will lose you the game if you don't win right there. Pressure you can decide if you want to pull back or not ;-)

I think he's right on it

Nice definition, bro. 2 Reaper expand vs Z is cheese then.

seriously, if you just put textbook definition on builds like that, i dont see how you can fully appreciate the experience that is sc2.
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
April 27 2013 17:50 GMT
#4462
I'd still much rather watch that "cheese" as people are calling it than a 40 minute turtle fest into broodlord-infestor.

Didn't people learn from WoL that early aggression is what makes this game interesting and keeps opponents honest for an exciting mid/lategame?
kakaman
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1576 Posts
April 27 2013 17:50 GMT
#4463
On April 28 2013 02:50 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 02:49 Azurues wrote:
how could anyone not want Jaedong to win or be successful in sc2?

i mean how?


some people just want races to win not people.


Some people just want to see the world burn
Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
April 27 2013 17:50 GMT
#4464
On April 28 2013 02:49 Azurues wrote:
how could anyone not want Jaedong to win or be successful in sc2?

i mean how?


look at your team flag
Everyday Girl's Day~!
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-27 17:51:07
April 27 2013 17:50 GMT
#4465
On April 28 2013 02:49 snam wrote:
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On April 28 2013 02:46 Shikyo wrote:
On April 28 2013 02:44 JayJay_90 wrote:
lol at everyone cheering for such a cheesy build just because it's JD.

still hope the Dong wins this but the hypocrisy is strong in this one.

Yeah because going for a third base and droning behind an early attack is cheese.

Nice going, it's not like Gumiho made an early reaper. Oh wait, don't you call it a Reaper cheese?


Maybe I missed some sarcasm or something here but..what? Since when is reaper cheese. It's about as standard as it gets.

The entire post went flying past you but you can still catch the next flight.


Jaedong believes in the power of all caps. He doesn't need those stinking lower case letters in his handle.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
April 27 2013 17:51 GMT
#4466
On April 28 2013 02:47 Kihshra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 02:45 Type|NarutO wrote:
On April 28 2013 02:44 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 28 2013 02:43 mechengineer123 wrote:
meh was hoping for some real games, but i guess i dont blame him for cheesing vs gumiho


do you even know what cheese is?


Well that certainly was a cheese, not allin, but cheese. It wasn't simple pressure. Cheese will put you behind if you don't deal damage, allin will lose you the game if you don't win right there. Pressure you can decide if you want to pull back or not ;-)

I think he's right on it

"Cheese will put you behind if you don't deal damage". Well then, I guess anything but a 4th against triple cc is a cheese.


Look, if you do roach/bane on two base and follow it up with more lings, its an allin.
If you do roach pressure with 3-4 roaches and a few lings, its pressure because you drone behind and get a 3rd base
If you do roach/ling with 2 base and lots of roaches 7+ (which it was) and lings AND reinforce it (yes, he decided to do it after it works, but it still makes it cheese) and don't get a 3rd, its a cheese.

I don't blame on it or hate on it, I think its clever vs greedy players especially since the metagame is bad for Terrans as in they get mines instead of what they should get; a banshee.

But if Jaedongs initial "pressure" does nothing, he's very behind, because gumiho will have 3 ccs, better economy and will boost ahead.

If you disagree, your thing, but I've played on high level and casted on high enough level to call it out as such with good enough reasoning behind :X
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
April 27 2013 17:51 GMT
#4467
Do it, Jaedong, for Oz!

Oh wait, not that Oz...
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
April 27 2013 17:51 GMT
#4468
On April 28 2013 02:50 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 02:49 Azurues wrote:
how could anyone not want Jaedong to win or be successful in sc2?

i mean how?


some people just want races to win not people.

Thats racist! Oh... wait.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
April 27 2013 17:51 GMT
#4469
On April 28 2013 02:50 HeartOfTheSwarm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 02:49 JayJay_90 wrote:
EG Jaedong sounds so weird


HwaseungOz_Jaedong is still the best, amirite?


Bitch, please. LecafOz_Jaedong.
Terran & Potato Salad.
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
April 27 2013 17:51 GMT
#4470
On April 28 2013 02:50 kakaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 02:50 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 28 2013 02:49 Azurues wrote:
how could anyone not want Jaedong to win or be successful in sc2?

i mean how?


some people just want races to win not people.


Some people just want to see the world burn


Its the same kind of people that doesn't cheer for Leenock. They clearly don't have a soul.
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
April 27 2013 17:51 GMT
#4471
On April 28 2013 02:50 Swords wrote:
I'd still much rather watch that "cheese" as people are calling it than a 40 minute turtle fest into broodlord-infestor.

Didn't people learn from WoL that early aggression is what makes this game interesting and keeps opponents honest for an exciting mid/lategame?


It's lose-lose. People play aggressively and its "cheese" people turtle and its "YAWN BL-INFESTOR!"
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
April 27 2013 17:51 GMT
#4472
On April 28 2013 02:50 Kergy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 02:49 Azurues wrote:
how could anyone not want Jaedong to win or be successful in sc2?

i mean how?


look at your team flag

word!
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50627 Posts
April 27 2013 17:51 GMT
#4473
On April 28 2013 02:49 Bagi wrote:
Is this bouncy thing somehow Jaedong related? [image loading]


long story, related to jaedong's slump mid 2011.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
April 27 2013 17:51 GMT
#4474
Gumiho hwaiting!!!!
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
April 27 2013 17:51 GMT
#4475
On April 28 2013 02:51 ThomasjServo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 02:50 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 28 2013 02:49 Azurues wrote:
how could anyone not want Jaedong to win or be successful in sc2?

i mean how?


some people just want races to win not people.

Thats racist! Oh... wait.

Protoss is the superior race, there I said it
o choro é livre
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
April 27 2013 17:51 GMT
#4476
NERF ZERGLINGS!!!1
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
greenelve
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1392 Posts
April 27 2013 17:52 GMT
#4477
On April 28 2013 02:49 Bagi wrote:
Is this bouncy thing somehow Jaedong related? [image loading]




for example
z0r.de for your daily madness /// Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of men? The Shadow knows!
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50627 Posts
April 27 2013 17:52 GMT
#4478
On April 28 2013 02:51 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 02:50 HeartOfTheSwarm wrote:
On April 28 2013 02:49 JayJay_90 wrote:
EG Jaedong sounds so weird


HwaseungOz_Jaedong is still the best, amirite?


Bitch, please. LecafOz_Jaedong.


Oz is Oz.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12680 Posts
April 27 2013 17:52 GMT
#4479
On April 28 2013 02:51 Type|NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 02:47 Kihshra wrote:
On April 28 2013 02:45 Type|NarutO wrote:
On April 28 2013 02:44 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 28 2013 02:43 mechengineer123 wrote:
meh was hoping for some real games, but i guess i dont blame him for cheesing vs gumiho


do you even know what cheese is?


Well that certainly was a cheese, not allin, but cheese. It wasn't simple pressure. Cheese will put you behind if you don't deal damage, allin will lose you the game if you don't win right there. Pressure you can decide if you want to pull back or not ;-)

I think he's right on it

"Cheese will put you behind if you don't deal damage". Well then, I guess anything but a 4th against triple cc is a cheese.


Look, if you do roach/bane on two base and follow it up with more lings, its an allin.
If you do roach pressure with 3-4 roaches and a few lings, its pressure because you drone behind and get a 3rd base
If you do roach/ling with 2 base and lots of roaches 7+ (which it was) and lings AND reinforce it (yes, he decided to do it after it works, but it still makes it cheese) and don't get a 3rd, its a cheese.

I don't blame on it or hate on it, I think its clever vs greedy players especially since the metagame is bad for Terrans as in they get mines instead of what they should get; a banshee.

But if Jaedongs initial "pressure" does nothing, he's very behind, because gumiho will have 3 ccs, better economy and will boost ahead.

If you disagree, your thing, but I've played on high level and casted on high enough level to call it out as such with good enough reasoning behind :X

he made drones behind initially though. only added lings to increase the pressure (took down bunker and supply depot with them) and immediately went back to droning (and already has 1-1 and spire ready)
not all in at all
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
templar rage
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2509 Posts
April 27 2013 17:52 GMT
#4480
On April 28 2013 02:48 shabby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 02:47 templar rage wrote:
On April 28 2013 02:45 Azhrei16 wrote:
Punishing a greedy build and then macroing behind roaches/lings is apparently cheese now. Well played Jaedong.


Well, you punish greedy builds by all-ining, so. . . That was an all-in, and it worked.


How was it all-in? He had 3 bases, double evo, spire and was droning. You're allowed to attack.


Yeah he clearly had all this before he attacked lol.
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