On April 28 2013 02:43 mechengineer123 wrote: meh was hoping for some real games, but i guess i dont blame him for cheesing vs gumiho
do you even know what cheese is?
Well that certainly was a cheese, not allin, but cheese. It wasn't simple pressure. Cheese will put you behind if you don't deal damage, allin will lose you the game if you don't win right there. Pressure you can decide if you want to pull back or not ;-)
I think he's right on it
Nice definition, bro. 2 Reaper expand vs Z is cheese then.
seriously, if you just put textbook definition on builds like that, i dont see how you can fully appreciate the experience that is sc2.
On April 28 2013 02:43 mechengineer123 wrote: meh was hoping for some real games, but i guess i dont blame him for cheesing vs gumiho
do you even know what cheese is?
Well that certainly was a cheese, not allin, but cheese. It wasn't simple pressure. Cheese will put you behind if you don't deal damage, allin will lose you the game if you don't win right there. Pressure you can decide if you want to pull back or not ;-)
I think he's right on it
"Cheese will put you behind if you don't deal damage". Well then, I guess anything but a 4th against triple cc is a cheese.
Look, if you do roach/bane on two base and follow it up with more lings, its an allin. If you do roach pressure with 3-4 roaches and a few lings, its pressure because you drone behind and get a 3rd base If you do roach/ling with 2 base and lots of roaches 7+ (which it was) and lings AND reinforce it (yes, he decided to do it after it works, but it still makes it cheese) and don't get a 3rd, its a cheese.
I don't blame on it or hate on it, I think its clever vs greedy players especially since the metagame is bad for Terrans as in they get mines instead of what they should get; a banshee.
But if Jaedongs initial "pressure" does nothing, he's very behind, because gumiho will have 3 ccs, better economy and will boost ahead.
If you disagree, your thing, but I've played on high level and casted on high enough level to call it out as such with good enough reasoning behind :X
On April 28 2013 02:50 Swords wrote: I'd still much rather watch that "cheese" as people are calling it than a 40 minute turtle fest into broodlord-infestor.
Didn't people learn from WoL that early aggression is what makes this game interesting and keeps opponents honest for an exciting mid/lategame?
It's lose-lose. People play aggressively and its "cheese" people turtle and its "YAWN BL-INFESTOR!"
On April 28 2013 02:43 mechengineer123 wrote: meh was hoping for some real games, but i guess i dont blame him for cheesing vs gumiho
do you even know what cheese is?
Well that certainly was a cheese, not allin, but cheese. It wasn't simple pressure. Cheese will put you behind if you don't deal damage, allin will lose you the game if you don't win right there. Pressure you can decide if you want to pull back or not ;-)
I think he's right on it
"Cheese will put you behind if you don't deal damage". Well then, I guess anything but a 4th against triple cc is a cheese.
Look, if you do roach/bane on two base and follow it up with more lings, its an allin. If you do roach pressure with 3-4 roaches and a few lings, its pressure because you drone behind and get a 3rd base If you do roach/ling with 2 base and lots of roaches 7+ (which it was) and lings AND reinforce it (yes, he decided to do it after it works, but it still makes it cheese) and don't get a 3rd, its a cheese.
I don't blame on it or hate on it, I think its clever vs greedy players especially since the metagame is bad for Terrans as in they get mines instead of what they should get; a banshee.
But if Jaedongs initial "pressure" does nothing, he's very behind, because gumiho will have 3 ccs, better economy and will boost ahead.
If you disagree, your thing, but I've played on high level and casted on high enough level to call it out as such with good enough reasoning behind :X
he made drones behind initially though. only added lings to increase the pressure (took down bunker and supply depot with them) and immediately went back to droning (and already has 1-1 and spire ready) not all in at all