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BlueFlames
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1756 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-27 17:55:48
April 27 2013 17:54 GMT
#4501
All those people screaming cheese have never followed BW. Some of the best series had plays like that in them. Boxer bunker rushing Yellow a few times in a row? That series is still remembered. Zergs 6 pooling, Protosses dt rushing. In a Bo-anything strategies like that makes it more exciting.
Only watching makro games is just boring as f***.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10131 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-27 17:55:18
April 27 2013 17:54 GMT
#4502
On April 28 2013 02:52 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 02:51 Type|NarutO wrote:
On April 28 2013 02:47 Kihshra wrote:
On April 28 2013 02:45 Type|NarutO wrote:
On April 28 2013 02:44 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 28 2013 02:43 mechengineer123 wrote:
meh was hoping for some real games, but i guess i dont blame him for cheesing vs gumiho


do you even know what cheese is?


Well that certainly was a cheese, not allin, but cheese. It wasn't simple pressure. Cheese will put you behind if you don't deal damage, allin will lose you the game if you don't win right there. Pressure you can decide if you want to pull back or not ;-)

I think he's right on it

"Cheese will put you behind if you don't deal damage". Well then, I guess anything but a 4th against triple cc is a cheese.


Look, if you do roach/bane on two base and follow it up with more lings, its an allin.
If you do roach pressure with 3-4 roaches and a few lings, its pressure because you drone behind and get a 3rd base
If you do roach/ling with 2 base and lots of roaches 7+ (which it was) and lings AND reinforce it (yes, he decided to do it after it works, but it still makes it cheese) and don't get a 3rd, its a cheese.

I don't blame on it or hate on it, I think its clever vs greedy players especially since the metagame is bad for Terrans as in they get mines instead of what they should get; a banshee.

But if Jaedongs initial "pressure" does nothing, he's very behind, because gumiho will have 3 ccs, better economy and will boost ahead.

If you disagree, your thing, but I've played on high level and casted on high enough level to call it out as such with good enough reasoning behind :X

he made drones behind initially though. only added lings to increase the pressure (took down bunker and supply depot with them) and immediately went back to droning (and already has 1-1 and spire ready)
not all in at all


He didn't say all in, he said cheese. I don't know why people mix both of them. Cheese rely on your opponent not scouting it and exploiting the current metagame. Often a cheese build can be all innish, to kill outright the opponent. But a greedy build can be cheese too (like that gumiho build going 3 CC's with nothing to hold a bust/roach pressure to cut corners and pump a massive scv production).

Gumiho got metagamed, props to Jaedong.
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11062 Posts
April 27 2013 17:54 GMT
#4503
Jeez. Jaedong looks possessed.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Yorke
Profile Joined November 2010
England881 Posts
April 27 2013 17:54 GMT
#4504
WHERE'D YOUR HELLIONS GO GUMMY?
@YorkeSC - RIP MIT Police Officer Sean Collier, BW fan
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
April 27 2013 17:54 GMT
#4505
Let's go Jaedong! Take him down!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50434 Posts
April 27 2013 17:54 GMT
#4506
Donglings!
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-27 17:55:29
April 27 2013 17:55 GMT
#4507
flash did a similar build in a PL match recently
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
April 27 2013 17:55 GMT
#4508
On April 28 2013 02:53 Type|NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 02:49 Shikyo wrote:
On April 28 2013 02:45 Type|NarutO wrote:
On April 28 2013 02:44 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 28 2013 02:43 mechengineer123 wrote:
meh was hoping for some real games, but i guess i dont blame him for cheesing vs gumiho


do you even know what cheese is?


Well that certainly was a cheese, not allin, but cheese. It wasn't simple pressure. Cheese will put you behind if you don't deal damage, allin will lose you the game if you don't win right there. Pressure you can decide if you want to pull back or not ;-)

I think he's right on it

Nice definition, bro. 2 Reaper expand vs Z is cheese then.


Explain to me, how losing 2 reapers (which is near to impossible to begin with, as you want to scout and not fight with them) is nearly putting you as behind as losing 7+ roaches and 20 lings without getting a 3rd base while your opponent has 3 bases ready. Nice bro!

Oh, so only moves that put you that specific amount behind when your entire attack force mysteriously disappears to a 4th dimension psionic storm = cheese? ...



JD playing so well *_*
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-27 17:56:41
April 27 2013 17:55 GMT
#4509
On April 28 2013 02:53 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 02:51 Type|NarutO wrote:
On April 28 2013 02:47 Kihshra wrote:
On April 28 2013 02:45 Type|NarutO wrote:
On April 28 2013 02:44 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 28 2013 02:43 mechengineer123 wrote:
meh was hoping for some real games, but i guess i dont blame him for cheesing vs gumiho


do you even know what cheese is?


Well that certainly was a cheese, not allin, but cheese. It wasn't simple pressure. Cheese will put you behind if you don't deal damage, allin will lose you the game if you don't win right there. Pressure you can decide if you want to pull back or not ;-)

I think he's right on it

"Cheese will put you behind if you don't deal damage". Well then, I guess anything but a 4th against triple cc is a cheese.


Look, if you do roach/bane on two base and follow it up with more lings, its an allin.
If you do roach pressure with 3-4 roaches and a few lings, its pressure because you drone behind and get a 3rd base
If you do roach/ling with 2 base and lots of roaches 7+ (which it was) and lings AND reinforce it (yes, he decided to do it after it works, but it still makes it cheese) and don't get a 3rd, its a cheese.

I don't blame on it or hate on it, I think its clever vs greedy players especially since the metagame is bad for Terrans as in they get mines instead of what they should get; a banshee.

But if Jaedongs initial "pressure" does nothing, he's very behind, because gumiho will have 3 ccs, better economy and will boost ahead.

If you disagree, your thing, but I've played on high level and casted on high enough level to call it out as such with good enough reasoning behind :X

2 Reaper expand needs to deal damage to the Zerg or you fall behind. Nevermind the fact that it's extremely likely to deal damage, you didn't include it in your definition. So you're basically saying 2 Reaper expand is cheese. And I disagree. And you probably do as well, so...


Gumiho's hellions are a bit faster than expected, did he skip something... Cut an SCV probably?


I already explaind it in my previous post. The timing 2 reaper expand occurs, doesn't hold the option to put you behind by that much compared to a situation where you need to deal damage, because you lack a 3rd while your opponent has his 3rd and tech ready. GuMiHos economy would boost signiciantly ahead and his tech already was ahead.

If you potentially lose your 2 reapers you are behind, but not as much because the followup are hellions and they allow you to keep map control and pressure up. You don't need to deal damage with reapers, you just need to keep them and pressure.

On April 28 2013 02:55 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 02:53 Type|NarutO wrote:
On April 28 2013 02:49 Shikyo wrote:
On April 28 2013 02:45 Type|NarutO wrote:
On April 28 2013 02:44 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 28 2013 02:43 mechengineer123 wrote:
meh was hoping for some real games, but i guess i dont blame him for cheesing vs gumiho


do you even know what cheese is?


Well that certainly was a cheese, not allin, but cheese. It wasn't simple pressure. Cheese will put you behind if you don't deal damage, allin will lose you the game if you don't win right there. Pressure you can decide if you want to pull back or not ;-)

I think he's right on it

Nice definition, bro. 2 Reaper expand vs Z is cheese then.


Explain to me, how losing 2 reapers (which is near to impossible to begin with, as you want to scout and not fight with them) is nearly putting you as behind as losing 7+ roaches and 20 lings without getting a 3rd base while your opponent has 3 bases ready. Nice bro!

Oh, so only moves that put you that specific amount behind when your entire attack force mysteriously disappears to a 4th dimension psionic storm = cheese? ...



JD playing so well *_*



Stop trolling. You exactly see my point and I think you are perfectly capable of understanding it, without nitpicking it. If you don't understand, you probably never played on the level to talk about it
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
The Stapler
Profile Joined August 2010
United States326 Posts
April 27 2013 17:55 GMT
#4510
JD kills all of Gumiho's units at his third....obviously all-in cheeser
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12479 Posts
April 27 2013 17:55 GMT
#4511
amazing ling control
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Bowzar
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden741 Posts
April 27 2013 17:56 GMT
#4512
4 big fan favorites if Jaedong wins. For the sake of hype and Naniwa advancing im cheering for Jaedong
skiersteve
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom268 Posts
April 27 2013 17:56 GMT
#4513
stutterstep is a beautiful thing
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
April 27 2013 17:56 GMT
#4514
Jaedong just looks 200x sharper than when he played in SPL
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50434 Posts
April 27 2013 17:56 GMT
#4515
should have waited for medivacs there but good damage by gummy.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
April 27 2013 17:56 GMT
#4516
Gumi really not looking as good as he has recently.
Disarmed
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria721 Posts
April 27 2013 17:56 GMT
#4517
stop the cheese debate already, game 2 is on !!!

i love the dong, but the hype is funny

JD kills a Hellion

Crowd: "OOHHHHH"

lolz
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
April 27 2013 17:56 GMT
#4518
I just thought of something. What if JD wins this and cheeses out naniwa, and naniwa is honest about his feelings afterwards? Would annexet break out in a gang fight?
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
DOUDOU
Profile Joined October 2011
Wales2940 Posts
April 27 2013 17:56 GMT
#4519
aww, let your helion fire, gumiho!!
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ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
April 27 2013 17:56 GMT
#4520
Fairly surprised at the lack of fire laid down on the mutas.
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