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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
April 23 2013 10:35 GMT
#681
On April 23 2013 19:32 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 19:30 DJHelium wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:28 AxionSteel wrote:
Can't believe some people think that was boring. That was among my favourite zvz series. Constant action,micro, harass.
Effort vs DRG being my favourite zvz ever


Life vs Leenock at MLG, the game on Cloud Kingdom. I've watched it like 5 times, still get chills when I see it.


Didn't see that one! Guess i missed a good one


http://sc2casts.com/cast10685-Life-vs-Leenock-Best-of-7-MLG-Fall-Championship-2012-Finals

Cloud Kingdom is G4, but iirc the whole series was good.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
April 23 2013 10:35 GMT
#682
On April 23 2013 19:32 Lysanias wrote:
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On April 23 2013 19:31 opterown wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:30 Lysanias wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:29 bgx wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:27 EpiK wrote:
in those muta battles, do pros target fire each muta or are they just a-moving?

a move


Always the cynical i see unless it's about terran. They both targeted lower health muta's nothing A move about it.

i thought during big muta fights it was better to amove rather than try to individually target or something?


True, when you get to 25+ it's A move time. Those mostly were lower groupings and it's better to target specialy if you have the + attack. (as far as i know)


How does the + attack matter for this really? Note that carapace and attack upgrades cancel eachother out for the most part so the 'focus' ability of both is equal, only the bounce damage is worse for the attack upgrade player. That is not a reason to take some sort of other approach to micro though..
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
April 23 2013 10:35 GMT
#683
On April 23 2013 19:34 jekku wrote:
I think partings got this. Last i checked leenocks zvp wasn't his best.

I really hope leenock beats parting. Leenock will crush life in the final match
rothsbury
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia1654 Posts
April 23 2013 10:35 GMT
#684
On April 23 2013 19:33 Jmanthedragonguy wrote:
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On April 23 2013 19:31 opterown wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:30 Lysanias wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:29 bgx wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:27 EpiK wrote:
in those muta battles, do pros target fire each muta or are they just a-moving?

a move


Always the cynical i see unless it's about terran. They both targeted lower health muta's nothing A move about it.

i thought during big muta fights it was better to amove rather than try to individually target or something?

I think your right, if you target fire, doesnt it make your mutas clump, and thus vulnerable to the muta splash?

I think the splash will always be on full, since it's by number of targets instead of by area. I think that for larger engagements it becomes pointless to target fire since mutalisks are dying so quickly, and target firing can result in overkill.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
April 23 2013 10:36 GMT
#685
Let's go Leenock!
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
April 23 2013 10:36 GMT
#686
It would be so sweet if Leenock sling all ins Parting XD
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
April 23 2013 10:36 GMT
#687
On April 23 2013 19:32 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 19:31 opterown wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:30 Lysanias wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:29 bgx wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:27 EpiK wrote:
in those muta battles, do pros target fire each muta or are they just a-moving?

a move


Always the cynical i see unless it's about terran. They both targeted lower health muta's nothing A move about it.

i thought during big muta fights it was better to amove rather than try to individually target or something?

maybe early on but I think targetting is better once they get down < 10?


yeah in bigger numbers there would be overkill if you targetfire, no big but the one spreading fire would win with equal numbers. (having a group sniping is of course icing on the cake). Lower numbers with no overkill targeting is better. Unless you do what Life did in the last muta fight and targetfire the Muta that flyies right by you, so your Mutas lose tons of attack time.
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
April 23 2013 10:37 GMT
#688
Dammit. I really only wanted Life to advance out of this group. I don't really want either Parting or Leenock to win.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
Azurues
Profile Joined March 2011
Malaysia5612 Posts
April 23 2013 10:37 GMT
#689
soul train please
Jmanthedragonguy
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada1202 Posts
April 23 2013 10:37 GMT
#690
C'mon PartinG ^^
Wertheron
Profile Joined October 2011
France439 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-23 10:39:43
April 23 2013 10:37 GMT
#691
If you have the same economy and want to transition into infestor against muta, you have to paid 150g+150g+400g (for 4 infest)=700g, it's 7 muta. You have to defend against an opponent with +7 muta during 180 sc sec (90s for bat roach, 40 sec for mid Pathogen Glands -when you start produce infest, and infestor production).

That's really difficult if the guy want to pressure hard
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
April 23 2013 10:37 GMT
#692
Winners' Match
(Z)Leenock vs. (P)PartinG
Game 1: Daybreak


Leenock spawns in the top right
Parting spawns in the bottom left

0:00-4:00min
Parting starts with Pylon in his main and then Nexus first on 16 supply
Leenock starts with 15 Pool 16 Hatch

Parting adds a Forge in his main and Pylon and first Gateway and Cannon in the natural
Leenock scouts the natural with his first Overlordand starts and Extractor and 2 Zerglings
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
April 23 2013 10:37 GMT
#693
On April 23 2013 19:36 BigFan wrote:
It would be so sweet if Leenock sling all ins Parting XD


Does it still work with the nexus cannon and all? Haven't seen it in HotS yet.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
April 23 2013 10:38 GMT
#694
On April 23 2013 19:31 rothsbury wrote:
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On April 23 2013 19:28 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:24 teddyoojo wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:23 rothsbury wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:22 teddyoojo wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:18 Zealously wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:18 teddyoojo wrote:
i always wondered why zergs get carapace first, in a muta vs muta fight +1 attack is just as useful as +1 carapace is it?


Carapace is better

but why? doesnt +1 attack give u +1 dmg on every bounce whereas +1 carapace reduces 1 dmg from every bounce?

As others have said, first bounce is +1/3 and second bounce is +1/9.

how do mutas deal 1/9 dmg tho?

Look, Mutas deal damage like this:
-100%
-first bounce 33%
-second bounce 11%

So, it does 9/3/1 damage to 3 targets. If you upgrade +1 attack, it does 10/3/1 damage to 3 targets. Only with +3 attack it does 12/4/1 because 33% of 12 is 4.

Do you get it now?

According to the liquipedia article, the fractional damage is added on each level of upgrade, and that has always been my understanding.

SC2 has always had decimal damage; e.g. minimal attack damage is 0.5.

I know, still thought it depends all on the first attack, as I have been testing it a lot. As far as I remember with my testings, last bounce didn't change at all, but I could be wrong as I could easily mess up with my testings.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
April 23 2013 10:38 GMT
#695
On April 23 2013 19:37 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 19:36 BigFan wrote:
It would be so sweet if Leenock sling all ins Parting XD


Does it still work with the nexus cannon and all? Haven't seen it in HotS yet.

I have no clue. Just thought it would be really unexpected from Leenock and can probably catch Parting offguard if he hides it enough
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
April 23 2013 10:39 GMT
#696
On April 23 2013 19:32 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 19:30 Musicus wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:29 bgx wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:27 EpiK wrote:
in those muta battles, do pros target fire each muta or are they just a-moving?

a move


depends on your playstyle, if you go for plus 1 attack like leenock just did, you want to single target mutas in many situations

Didn't watch the game but in most situation it was always a move because of spread of fire.

In lower numbers its sensible to target weaker mutas.


Well Leenock was basically single targeting the whole game until it was already won. He was always trading Mutas with single targeting, so that the numbers would never go too high, because then carapace would win with just a moving. So as I said it's really a playstyle thing, if you go for attack you can't just sit back and wait for the 30vs30 a-move fight, you have to trade = super micro intensive playstyle. Jaedong likes it.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
April 23 2013 10:39 GMT
#697
leenock doing the same zvp build he did at mlg few days after release, even vs forge expand, interesting
halpimcat
Profile Joined September 2011
215 Posts
April 23 2013 10:39 GMT
#698
It's painfully obvious Tasteless hasn't spent much time on ladder.

Artosis: "How's the ladder?"
Tasteless: "...It's good...slaying nerds...y'know."
duct_TAPE
Profile Joined May 2011
492 Posts
April 23 2013 10:39 GMT
#699
We're about to watch something magical from Leenock
"WHAT!? but I thought there was only one way in Canada!" "Yeah, and y'all went the wrong direction on it"
Iskover
Profile Joined October 2010
United States21 Posts
April 23 2013 10:39 GMT
#700
doom drop!
MMA | Mvp | Rain
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