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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
April 23 2013 10:27 GMT
#641
Can't believe people are dissing Life's ZvZ and not crediting Leenock, sad :/.

This isn't an upset in the slightest, if you payed attention to their many many bouts in WoL they went back and forth in taking games. I jokingly said Leenock would win, simply because Life won the last 2 encounters. Hell, it would not surprise me if PartinG beats Leencok and Life beats Last then gets revenge on Leenock to close out the night.
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
April 23 2013 10:28 GMT
#642
Normally i hate watching zvz, but this series was ok to watch..
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Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
April 23 2013 10:28 GMT
#643
On April 23 2013 19:27 EpiK wrote:
in those muta battles, do pros target fire each muta or are they just a-moving?


Target fire from both today atleast.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
April 23 2013 10:28 GMT
#644
On April 23 2013 19:27 Crisco wrote:
leenock may be the only player who can challenge life like that in zvz... damn


There are a few players who can out-ZvZ Life; while his ling/bling micro may be top-notch, his decision making is sometimes lacking.
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AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
April 23 2013 10:28 GMT
#645
Can't believe some people think that was boring. That was among my favourite zvz series. Constant action,micro, harass.
Effort vs DRG being my favourite zvz ever
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-23 10:29:25
April 23 2013 10:28 GMT
#646
On April 23 2013 19:24 teddyoojo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 19:23 rothsbury wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:22 teddyoojo wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:18 Zealously wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:18 teddyoojo wrote:
i always wondered why zergs get carapace first, in a muta vs muta fight +1 attack is just as useful as +1 carapace is it?


Carapace is better

but why? doesnt +1 attack give u +1 dmg on every bounce whereas +1 carapace reduces 1 dmg from every bounce?

As others have said, first bounce is +1/3 and second bounce is +1/9.

how do mutas deal 1/9 dmg tho?

Look, Mutas deal damage like this:
-100%
-first bounce 33%
-second bounce 11%

So, it does 9/3/1 damage to 3 targets. If you upgrade +1 attack, it does 10/3/1 damage to 3 targets. Only with +3 attack it does 12/4/1 because 33% of 12 is 4.

Do you get it now?
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
April 23 2013 10:28 GMT
#647
On April 23 2013 19:24 DrPandaPhD wrote:
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On April 23 2013 19:22 Morphage wrote:
Wow ZvZ is really silly these days

?

So much actions with extremely micro-intensive units. Can't get much better ZvZ than that


I so agree, it's so skillful and comes down to mechanics now, plus constant action and multitasking.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
April 23 2013 10:28 GMT
#648
On April 23 2013 19:27 Wertheron wrote:
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On April 23 2013 19:24 BigFan wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:24 Wertheron wrote:
GG to Leenock, even if i root for Life

But i really understand why Blibli want to fix ZvZ, it become boring to know who will win by watching the muta count.

too bad life didn't pull a zenio lol(makes a risky move to infestors then wins the game)


Haha yes, but you must have some balls to do this transition and pray that your opponent don't push to hard with his superior muta count during the infest bat/infest upgrade/infest production.

lol ya, I doubt he would've been able to with all the pressure that Leenock was putting on.

On April 23 2013 19:27 FakeDeath wrote:
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On April 23 2013 19:26 Acertos wrote:
Muta warz are really cool because unlike with roaches/infestors warz there are still gling/ bane warz at the same time.


It will become stale after a while.

Leenock got a good lead after that successful timing attack.

He was up 21 drones after that attack.

maybe so but Life almost caught up at one point from looking at supply counts if we are to assume their armies were similar that is
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
April 23 2013 10:29 GMT
#649
i thought that particular zvz was pretty cool, but there were definitely a few lame ones like crazy vs. roro this season
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bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-23 10:29:53
April 23 2013 10:29 GMT
#650
On April 23 2013 19:27 EpiK wrote:
in those muta battles, do pros target fire each muta or are they just a-moving?

a move

at least thats how it was in WoL :x
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DarkSpectre
Profile Joined December 2011
121 Posts
April 23 2013 10:29 GMT
#651
On April 23 2013 19:27 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Can't believe people are dissing Life's ZvZ and not crediting Leenock, sad :/.

This isn't an upset in the slightest, if you payed attention to their many many bouts in WoL they went back and forth in taking games. I jokingly said Leenock would win, simply because Life won the last 2 encounters. Hell, it would not surprise me if PartinG beats Leencok and Life beats Last then gets revenge on Leenock to close out the night.


Hope you are right
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
April 23 2013 10:29 GMT
#652
On April 23 2013 19:22 jekku wrote:
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On April 23 2013 19:20 Zenbrez wrote:
God this is boring.


Are you kidding me...

No? Being able to tell who's going to win because one guy started mining from an extra extractor before the other guy isn't very engaging.

Sure I like ling bling wars, but once that's over, what do we have? We got mutas.
Refer to my post.
rothsbury
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia1654 Posts
April 23 2013 10:29 GMT
#653
On April 23 2013 19:27 ibraishome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 19:24 teddyoojo wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:23 rothsbury wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:22 teddyoojo wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:18 Zealously wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:18 teddyoojo wrote:
i always wondered why zergs get carapace first, in a muta vs muta fight +1 attack is just as useful as +1 carapace is it?


Carapace is better

but why? doesnt +1 attack give u +1 dmg on every bounce whereas +1 carapace reduces 1 dmg from every bounce?

As others have said, first bounce is +1/3 and second bounce is +1/9.

how do mutas deal 1/9 dmg tho?


It's 1/9 of their actual damage, I think.

It's +1/9 damage extra (or +0.1111 or however the computer rounds it).

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Mutalisk_(Heart_of_the_Swarm)
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
April 23 2013 10:30 GMT
#654
On April 23 2013 19:29 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 19:22 jekku wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:20 Zenbrez wrote:
God this is boring.


Are you kidding me...

No? Being able to tell who's going to win because one guy started mining from an extra extractor before the other guy isn't very engaging.

Sure I like ling bling wars, but once that's over, what do we have? We got mutas.

well you could argue PvP used to be all about who build the second robo first... it's a matter of taste, no need to impose your opinion on others
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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
April 23 2013 10:30 GMT
#655
On April 23 2013 19:28 AxionSteel wrote:
Can't believe some people think that was boring. That was among my favourite zvz series. Constant action,micro, harass.
Effort vs DRG being my favourite zvz ever


Life vs Leenock at MLG, the game on Cloud Kingdom. I've watched it like 5 times, still get chills when I see it.
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Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
April 23 2013 10:30 GMT
#656
On April 23 2013 19:29 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 19:27 EpiK wrote:
in those muta battles, do pros target fire each muta or are they just a-moving?

a move


Always the cynical i see unless it's about terran. They both targeted lower health muta's nothing A move about it.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-23 10:30:56
April 23 2013 10:30 GMT
#657
On April 23 2013 19:29 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 19:27 EpiK wrote:
in those muta battles, do pros target fire each muta or are they just a-moving?

a move


depends on your playstyle, if you go for plus 1 attack like leenock just did, you want to single target mutas in many situations
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
SoFrOsTy
Profile Joined December 2011
United States525 Posts
April 23 2013 10:31 GMT
#658
On April 23 2013 19:28 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 19:24 teddyoojo wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:23 rothsbury wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:22 teddyoojo wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:18 Zealously wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:18 teddyoojo wrote:
i always wondered why zergs get carapace first, in a muta vs muta fight +1 attack is just as useful as +1 carapace is it?


Carapace is better

but why? doesnt +1 attack give u +1 dmg on every bounce whereas +1 carapace reduces 1 dmg from every bounce?

As others have said, first bounce is +1/3 and second bounce is +1/9.

how do mutas deal 1/9 dmg tho?

Look, Mutas deal damage like this:
-100%
-first bounce 33%
-second bounce 11%

So, it does 9/3/1 damage to 3 targets. If you upgrade +1 attack, it does 10/3/1 damage to 3 targets. Only with +3 attack it does 12/4/1 because 33% of 12 is 4.

Do you get it now?



Actually, with +1 attack it does 10, 3, 1, +2 attack does 11, 4, 2, and +3 does 12, 4, 2.
Julyzerg ftw
rothsbury
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia1654 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-23 10:33:21
April 23 2013 10:31 GMT
#659
On April 23 2013 19:28 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 19:24 teddyoojo wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:23 rothsbury wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:22 teddyoojo wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:18 Zealously wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:18 teddyoojo wrote:
i always wondered why zergs get carapace first, in a muta vs muta fight +1 attack is just as useful as +1 carapace is it?


Carapace is better

but why? doesnt +1 attack give u +1 dmg on every bounce whereas +1 carapace reduces 1 dmg from every bounce?

As others have said, first bounce is +1/3 and second bounce is +1/9.

how do mutas deal 1/9 dmg tho?

Look, Mutas deal damage like this:
-100%
-first bounce 33%
-second bounce 11%

So, it does 9/3/1 damage to 3 targets. If you upgrade +1 attack, it does 10/3/1 damage to 3 targets. Only with +3 attack it does 12/4/1 because 33% of 12 is 4.

Do you get it now?

According to the liquipedia article, the fractional damage is added on each level of upgrade, and that has always been my understanding.

SC2 has always had decimal damage; e.g. minimal attack damage is 0.5.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
April 23 2013 10:31 GMT
#660
On April 23 2013 19:30 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 19:29 bgx wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:27 EpiK wrote:
in those muta battles, do pros target fire each muta or are they just a-moving?

a move


Always the cynical i see unless it's about terran. They both targeted lower health muta's nothing A move about it.

i thought during big muta fights it was better to amove rather than try to individually target or something?
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