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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
April 23 2013 10:31 GMT
#661
On April 23 2013 19:29 bgx wrote:
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On April 23 2013 19:27 EpiK wrote:
in those muta battles, do pros target fire each muta or are they just a-moving?

a move

at least thats how it was in WoL :x


I think both players microed quite a lot in these fights. Target fire to snipe weak mutas and back off etc.
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Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-23 10:33:25
April 23 2013 10:32 GMT
#662
On April 23 2013 19:23 Tsubbi wrote:
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On April 23 2013 19:22 rothsbury wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:21 Eufouria wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:18 teddyoojo wrote:
i always wondered why zergs get carapace first, in a muta vs muta fight +1 attack is just as useful as +1 carapace is it?

+1 attack gives you +1+1/3+1/9 damage on the 3 bounces, +1 armour is -3 damage vs 3 bounces.

(Technically it reduces last bounce by less because minimum damage is 0.5.)


what is always ignored is that the front mutas die faster with attack upgrades so they no longer deal damage, also its 50/50 cheaper


hmm front muta doesn't die faster because the armor negate the attack upgrade on the first attack but negates more than the upgrade on the bounces.

There is a fair point to be made though that 50/50 difference plus attack being better against other stuff still makes attack a good choice. Still some simple tests just show that +1 carapace flocks beats +1 attack flock quite well probably making up for the 50/50.
Of course there are quite many scenario's to test, lings absorbing damage die faster with attack upgrade. Overlords absorbing get better with carapace. etc.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
April 23 2013 10:32 GMT
#663
On April 23 2013 19:31 opterown wrote:
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On April 23 2013 19:30 Lysanias wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:29 bgx wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:27 EpiK wrote:
in those muta battles, do pros target fire each muta or are they just a-moving?

a move


Always the cynical i see unless it's about terran. They both targeted lower health muta's nothing A move about it.

i thought during big muta fights it was better to amove rather than try to individually target or something?

maybe early on but I think targetting is better once they get down < 10?
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
April 23 2013 10:32 GMT
#664
On April 23 2013 19:30 Musicus wrote:
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On April 23 2013 19:29 bgx wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:27 EpiK wrote:
in those muta battles, do pros target fire each muta or are they just a-moving?

a move


depends on your playstyle, if you go for plus 1 attack like leenock just did, you want to single target mutas in many situations

Didn't watch the game but in most situation it was always a move because of spread of fire.

In lower numbers its sensible to target weaker mutas.
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jekku
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1640 Posts
April 23 2013 10:32 GMT
#665
On April 23 2013 19:30 opterown wrote:
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On April 23 2013 19:29 Zenbrez wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:22 jekku wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:20 Zenbrez wrote:
God this is boring.


Are you kidding me...

No? Being able to tell who's going to win because one guy started mining from an extra extractor before the other guy isn't very engaging.

Sure I like ling bling wars, but once that's over, what do we have? We got mutas.

well you could argue PvP used to be all about who build the second robo first... it's a matter of taste, no need to impose your opinion on others


I agree PVP imo is the most boring mirror by quite a bit. I love the constant action of zvz. ALso we saw zero earlier try going swarm host in zvz lol. (didnt work out too well)
In the rear with the gear!
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
April 23 2013 10:32 GMT
#666
Creepy cookies? :S
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
April 23 2013 10:32 GMT
#667
On April 23 2013 19:31 opterown wrote:
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On April 23 2013 19:30 Lysanias wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:29 bgx wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:27 EpiK wrote:
in those muta battles, do pros target fire each muta or are they just a-moving?

a move


Always the cynical i see unless it's about terran. They both targeted lower health muta's nothing A move about it.

i thought during big muta fights it was better to amove rather than try to individually target or something?


True, when you get to 25+ it's A move time. Those mostly were lower groupings and it's better to target specialy if you have the + attack. (as far as i know)
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
April 23 2013 10:32 GMT
#668
On April 23 2013 19:30 DJHelium wrote:
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On April 23 2013 19:28 AxionSteel wrote:
Can't believe some people think that was boring. That was among my favourite zvz series. Constant action,micro, harass.
Effort vs DRG being my favourite zvz ever


Life vs Leenock at MLG, the game on Cloud Kingdom. I've watched it like 5 times, still get chills when I see it.


Didn't see that one! Guess i missed a good one
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-23 10:33:19
April 23 2013 10:32 GMT
#669
On April 23 2013 19:31 opterown wrote:
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On April 23 2013 19:30 Lysanias wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:29 bgx wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:27 EpiK wrote:
in those muta battles, do pros target fire each muta or are they just a-moving?

a move


Always the cynical i see unless it's about terran. They both targeted lower health muta's nothing A move about it.

i thought during big muta fights it was better to amove rather than try to individually target or something?


you target-fire with small groups of your muta cloud to not stack up too much
I think Leenock used target-fire with small groups of 2-3 mutas after the initial first and second volley
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neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
April 23 2013 10:33 GMT
#670
My predictions aren't going very well :p

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Jmanthedragonguy
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada1202 Posts
April 23 2013 10:33 GMT
#671
On April 23 2013 19:31 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 19:30 Lysanias wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:29 bgx wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:27 EpiK wrote:
in those muta battles, do pros target fire each muta or are they just a-moving?

a move


Always the cynical i see unless it's about terran. They both targeted lower health muta's nothing A move about it.

i thought during big muta fights it was better to amove rather than try to individually target or something?

I think your right, if you target fire, doesnt it make your mutas clump, and thus vulnerable to the muta splash?
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
April 23 2013 10:33 GMT
#672
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
April 23 2013 10:33 GMT
#673
On April 23 2013 19:28 Ramiz1989 wrote:
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On April 23 2013 19:24 teddyoojo wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:23 rothsbury wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:22 teddyoojo wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:18 Zealously wrote:
On April 23 2013 19:18 teddyoojo wrote:
i always wondered why zergs get carapace first, in a muta vs muta fight +1 attack is just as useful as +1 carapace is it?


Carapace is better

but why? doesnt +1 attack give u +1 dmg on every bounce whereas +1 carapace reduces 1 dmg from every bounce?

As others have said, first bounce is +1/3 and second bounce is +1/9.

how do mutas deal 1/9 dmg tho?

Look, Mutas deal damage like this:
-100%
-first bounce 33%
-second bounce 11%

So, it does 9/3/1 damage to 3 targets. If you upgrade +1 attack, it does 10/3/1 damage to 3 targets. Only with +3 attack it does 12/4/1 because 33% of 12 is 4.

Do you get it now?

i always got it, i was just always under the impression +1 attack gives +1/+1/+1 while +2 only increases the main attack.

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Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
April 23 2013 10:34 GMT
#674
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
April 23 2013 10:34 GMT
#675
and now things get hard for Leenock :/

hope he shows some goodies in ZvP today. I think he can narrowly edge out PartinG
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EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
April 23 2013 10:34 GMT
#676
I am so glad I stayed up for this. Leenock beating life? Leenock vs Parting? I'm in sc2 heaven right now
jekku
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1640 Posts
April 23 2013 10:34 GMT
#677
I think partings got this. Last i checked leenocks zvp wasn't his best.
In the rear with the gear!
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
April 23 2013 10:34 GMT
#678
Gogo Leenock!
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
April 23 2013 10:35 GMT
#679
Leenock! Show Parting who's boss!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Crisco
Profile Joined March 2011
1170 Posts
April 23 2013 10:35 GMT
#680
leenock won't disappoint. he's got the most entertaining games. googoggo
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