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On February 19 2013 22:00 sudosu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 21:54 dubRa wrote:On February 19 2013 21:51 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:On February 19 2013 21:50 Strela wrote:
thats what you get for not preparing lol You people - just shut up. As always the great bashing has to be performed in these pathetic threads now, right? I'd really hate being a pro player and getting shit on at all times whenever you don't perform well. Such a shitty community at times. Oh come on. If Stephano wins today you would see a thousand: good job, well done, stephano bonjwa posts It has nothing to do with this particular community. Yes it has something to do with the community. I don't get why people can't just sit back, watch and enjoy the games. 75% of what you read is balance whine, hate, and any stupid statements thrown in the discussion without any thinking behind. Feels like the threads or chats lost their main point : talking about the matches.
come to BW threads
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On February 19 2013 22:00 sudosu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 21:54 dubRa wrote:On February 19 2013 21:51 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:On February 19 2013 21:50 Strela wrote:
thats what you get for not preparing lol You people - just shut up. As always the great bashing has to be performed in these pathetic threads now, right? I'd really hate being a pro player and getting shit on at all times whenever you don't perform well. Such a shitty community at times. Oh come on. If Stephano wins today you would see a thousand: good job, well done, stephano bonjwa posts It has nothing to do with this particular community. Yes it has something to do with the community. I don't get why people can't just sit back, watch and enjoy the games. 75% of what you read is balance whine, hate, and any stupid statements thrown in the discussion without any thinking behind. Feels like the threads or chats lost their main point : talking about the matches.
I don't deny it, but then again great sporting rivalries have never really been "sportsmanlike" in terms of fan conduct.
Also it could be something to do with the "EG-TL best proleague team" article and the way casters decided stephano won even before the match started.
But, hey, I'm no Flying fan, but he did play a pretty cool 3rd game. I'm also a Flash fan, but if Flying beat him, then he was the better player that day, simple.
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On February 19 2013 22:02 StickyIcky wrote:
Its sad that he didn't go to Korea when he was in his prime. He could have been in with a shot of taking the whole thing in late 2011, early 2012.
LOLOLOL! When GSL was dominated by Terran? Do you remember any of the games Stephano played during that period against top Korean Terrans?
And he did play at the end of 2011, in the Blizzard cup. Got knocked out 1st round.
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On February 19 2013 22:02 StickyIcky wrote:
Its sad that he didn't go to Korea when he was in his prime. He could have been in with a shot of taking the whole thing in late 2011, early 2012.
Versus MVP/MMA/DRG ? :D:D:D:D:D
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On February 19 2013 22:01 GolemMadness wrote:
Not sure what this means exactly:
EGStephano @EGStephanoRC 11 mins
I'm pretty sure I amazed you !
I guess it's sarcastic and he is disappointed about his play. He said that the more people expects something from him, the more he gets nervous because he is afraid of upsetting his fans.
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On February 19 2013 22:03 RowdierBob wrote:
There's nothing wrong with playing super standard as Stephano did, but you have to be super good with your scouting to counter potentially tricky builds. Stephano just let himself down with scouting in the two games he lost and got burnt by tricky builds.
There's no doubting the mind games of the GSL format are a different beast than the bracket play which Stephano excels at. I'm sure it's something he'll learn to cope with better.
Exactly. You need a perfect scooting when you want to play standard against protoss.
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On February 19 2013 21:54 Psychobabas wrote:
Usual play .
Foreigner too scared to be early aggressive or creative so plays super standard.
Korean expects safe play and goes for some obscure cheese or timing attack.
It has been like this ever since the early Brood War days.
Exactly, even when Grrrr was winning OSL, he played super macro late games. Koreans didn't catch on with his great macro ideas. After Koreans started to understand the macro games, early game disadvantages of foreigners shows evidently. Idra is the same way, Naniwa plays greedy, and Stephano is the same also. The level of attention to details needed in early game is not the same.
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On February 19 2013 22:05 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 22:02 StickyIcky wrote:
Its sad that he didn't go to Korea when he was in his prime. He could have been in with a shot of taking the whole thing in late 2011, early 2012. LOLOLOL! When GSL was dominated by Terran? Do you remember any of the games Stephano played during that period against top Korean Terrans? And he did play at the end of 2011, in the Blizzard cup. Got knocked out 1st round.
IPL3.
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On February 19 2013 22:02 StickyIcky wrote:
Its sad that he didn't go to Korea when he was in his prime. He could have been in with a shot of taking the whole thing in late 2011, early 2012.
Winning 2-3 day tournaments doesn't mean much in GSL format.
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On February 19 2013 22:07 Happygreek wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 22:05 sitromit wrote:On February 19 2013 22:02 StickyIcky wrote:
Its sad that he didn't go to Korea when he was in his prime. He could have been in with a shot of taking the whole thing in late 2011, early 2012. LOLOLOL! When GSL was dominated by Terran? Do you remember any of the games Stephano played during that period against top Korean Terrans? And he did play at the end of 2011, in the Blizzard cup. Got knocked out 1st round. IPL3.
Where he beat a total of 2 terrans(one of them being Boxer)? Impressive.
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On February 19 2013 22:07 Happygreek wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 22:05 sitromit wrote:On February 19 2013 22:02 StickyIcky wrote:
Its sad that he didn't go to Korea when he was in his prime. He could have been in with a shot of taking the whole thing in late 2011, early 2012. LOLOLOL! When GSL was dominated by Terran? Do you remember any of the games Stephano played during that period against top Korean Terrans? And he did play at the end of 2011, in the Blizzard cup. Got knocked out 1st round. IPL3.
He played against one Code S Terran in IPL3, Alive, he lost that series.
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On February 19 2013 21:56 Strela wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 21:51 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:On February 19 2013 21:50 Strela wrote:
thats what you get for not preparing lol You people - just shut up. As always the great bashing has to be performed in these pathetic threads now, right? I'd really hate being a pro player and getting shit on at all times whenever you don't perform well. Such a shitty community at times. Has nothing to do with just bashing but how seriously do you take it if you don't even prepare properly.
Come on, how can u be so sure that Stephano has not prepared properly ? I mean how many well prepared korean players must have failed against some nicely thought out uncommon strategy ?
Just be fair with Stephano, he was well countered but on the other hand he didn't make any big mistake and handled the situation as well as it could be in such difficult situation.
No need to bash Stephano. Praise Flying who did really well to beat such a ZvP beast as Stephano.
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On February 19 2013 21:54 Psychobabas wrote:
Usual play .
Foreigner too scared to be early aggressive or creative so plays super standard.
Korean expects safe play and goes for some obscure cheese or timing attack.
It has been like this ever since the early Brood War days. But then Naniwa came.
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All the bashing aside, I like the build done by Flying in game 3. Phoenixes to push overlords back to safe positions, zealots to take out the spore crawlers to give phoenixes free reign over the skies, proxy pylon to warp up in high ground while using phoenixes to spot.
Great preparation and tailoring for the build to the map.
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On February 19 2013 22:06 Insoleet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 22:03 RowdierBob wrote:
There's nothing wrong with playing super standard as Stephano did, but you have to be super good with your scouting to counter potentially tricky builds. Stephano just let himself down with scouting in the two games he lost and got burnt by tricky builds.
There's no doubting the mind games of the GSL format are a different beast than the bracket play which Stephano excels at. I'm sure it's something he'll learn to cope with better. Exactly. You need a perfect scooting when you want to play standard against protoss.
He used to be pretty damn "cheese" proof earlier. Don't know what have changed. Better opponents or/and sloppier play?
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On February 19 2013 22:08 ES.Genie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 22:07 Happygreek wrote:On February 19 2013 22:05 sitromit wrote:On February 19 2013 22:02 StickyIcky wrote:
Its sad that he didn't go to Korea when he was in his prime. He could have been in with a shot of taking the whole thing in late 2011, early 2012. LOLOLOL! When GSL was dominated by Terran? Do you remember any of the games Stephano played during that period against top Korean Terrans? And he did play at the end of 2011, in the Blizzard cup. Got knocked out 1st round. IPL3. Where he beat a total of 2 terrans(one of them being Boxer)? Impressive.
Never claimed it was. He asked if I remembered Stephano beating top Korean Terrans (and Koreans period) and I remember IPL3.
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On February 19 2013 21:58 Insoleet wrote:
lesson of the day : don't play standard in the gsl and prepare insane aggressive builds !
Yeah, also this.
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The GSL format with time for preparation just doesn't seem to suit Stephano. He's a quite predictable, stylistic player who relies a lot on game sense over scouting, and those are all weaknesses that can be exploited with specific preparation. Also, it seems he just isn't as good as he used to be last year when at times you could even make an argument that he was the best zerg in the world. You can lose against DTs once in a while, okay, but the third game was really nothing special from a mediocre opponent.
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On February 19 2013 22:02 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 21:57 samurai80 wrote:On February 19 2013 21:56 Leetley wrote:On February 19 2013 21:54 Psychobabas wrote:
Usual play .
Foreigner too scared to be early aggressive or creative so plays super standard.
Korean expects safe play and goes for some obscure cheese or timing attack.
It has been like this ever since the early Brood War days. Too true. Lol you were not watching Huk then... Not entirely accurate that. Huk plays standard, it's just that his standard is aggressive. He still goes for the type of rushes most people have come to expect from him.
Indeed.
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On February 19 2013 22:10 Happygreek wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 22:08 ES.Genie wrote:On February 19 2013 22:07 Happygreek wrote:On February 19 2013 22:05 sitromit wrote:On February 19 2013 22:02 StickyIcky wrote:
Its sad that he didn't go to Korea when he was in his prime. He could have been in with a shot of taking the whole thing in late 2011, early 2012. LOLOLOL! When GSL was dominated by Terran? Do you remember any of the games Stephano played during that period against top Korean Terrans? And he did play at the end of 2011, in the Blizzard cup. Got knocked out 1st round. IPL3. Where he beat a total of 2 terrans(one of them being Boxer)? Impressive. Never claimed it was. He asked if I remembered Stephano beating top Korean Terrans (and Koreans period) and I remember IPL3.
So you gave an example of a tournament where he lost to the only Terran who was in Code S at the time? Thanks for proving my point.
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