[Code S] RO16 Group D 2013 Season 1 - Page 95

On February 16 2013 01:46 herMan wrote:
Enough about the Artosis curse, really. It doesn't take a genius to see that he predicts a lot of games when casting and all the wrong calls he makes get blown out of proportion.

By the way, are people still promoting the silly EG curse?

On February 15 2013 23:58 Grumbels wrote:
- Hyun was dubbed a proto-elephant, he was originally on KeSPA, then joined an eSF team, then joined a foreign team. I know that a lot of people wanted him to fail for a while because success would be seen as proof for the elephant theory.
- SlayerS was seen as falling under the eSF umbrella in terms of eSF vs KeSPA, but was not an eSF team. Same for Axiom.
- It seems less of a stretch to call PartinG a KeSPA player than Taeja a foreign player by virtue of their teams.
- Almost all good players on eSF teams were pro-gamers on KeSPA teams in the past.
- The elephant in the room article implied that there would be a linear connection between Brood War skill and SC2 skill. In this sense, are cjhero, t8-cure and wjs-sos elephants? They were nobodies before SC2.

I would propose that we only talk about eSF vs KeSPA in the context of two sets of teams that both have their own team league. It's fun to speculate about how well they would do against each other and who is going to win out in the end.

What I would also suggest is to stop caring about whether the achievements of individual players reflect anything, such as the organisation they are part of. PartinG's wins don't reflect on KeSPA at all, nor do they on eSF, it's just an individual player doing very well.

On February 16 2013 02:19 warmus wrote:
People who thought that roro is not making it out of this group are just delusional and seem resistant to acknowledge what is happening on the screen. I have never even followed bw, but given this group. i knew for a fact that roro is making it out, just was not sure first or second. some good games today, looking forward to ro8.

On February 16 2013 02:37 nmetasch wrote:
And its begun. 5 kespa in top 8 of gsl.

On February 16 2013 02:31 vthree wrote:


Not to call you out. But someone with SKT1 tag and never even followed BW? And you knew for SURE that Roro would be favored over Life and PartinG?

I call BS on this one. It is always easy to say things like 'I knew for a fact that roro is making it out' after the fact.

On February 16 2013 02:45 Caladbolg wrote:
In all this argumentation (mostly benign, admittedly) about Kespa and ESF, I just want to be clear: I love players belonging to both organizations. However, as an organization, I prefer Kespa, not just because of the BW connection, but because they truly professionalized team video-games (strangely enough, in an individualistic game). So for instance, when I cheer for Parting the Kespa player, I am cheering not just for him as an individual (because he's awesome and funny) but also for the system put into place by Kespa (the strict training regime, the in-depth coaching, the in-house practice/strategy building, etc) that I believe ESF teams were able to fully implement.

Kespa built the groundwork for people like Flash to dominate, but they also did the same for people like MVP. In the same vein, people like Polt and Life were not able to benefit from the Kespa system directly, but rather grew up in an ESF environment. So I think there's a legitimate competition here between both systems, and that's the rivalry I can understand and enjoy. The players... are kids who love video games. Let's not draw a line between them so haphazardly, as if their individual distinction in relation to the system they grew in was so very important.