EPTRoro too good :D.
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NicksonReyes
Philippines4431 Posts
Roro too good :D. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
looks like kespa is just how I thought, top heavy with some really good players but most of them are code a/b level. not too different from esf really. at least parting made it, two protoss in ro8. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7028 Posts
- SlayerS was seen as falling under the eSF umbrella in terms of eSF vs KeSPA, but was not an eSF team. Same for Axiom. - It seems less of a stretch to call PartinG a KeSPA player than Taeja a foreign player by virtue of their teams. - Almost all good players on eSF teams were pro-gamers on KeSPA teams in the past. - The elephant in the room article implied that there would be a linear connection between Brood War skill and SC2 skill. In this sense, are cjhero, t8-cure and wjs-sos elephants? They were nobodies before SC2. I would propose that we only talk about eSF vs KeSPA in the context of two sets of teams that both have their own team league. It's fun to speculate about how well they would do against each other and who is going to win out in the end. What I would also suggest is to stop caring about whether the achievements of individual players reflect anything, such as the organisation they are part of. PartinG's wins don't reflect on KeSPA at all, nor do they on eSF, it's just an individual player doing very well. | ||
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TimENT
United States1425 Posts
Dream final: Innovation v Soulkey Dream winner: Innovation | ||
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Mariosatr
294 Posts
When I last looked, PartinG was down 0-1 to BBoongBBoong and looking to go down to 0-2. Considering he lost to Life 0-2, I didn't expect him to advance at all. Not too bad though, I like PartinG, would've preferred BBoongBBoong though. | ||
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
On February 15 2013 23:58 Grumbels wrote: - Hyun was dubbed a proto-elephant, he was originally on KeSPA, then joined an eSF team, then joined a foreign team. I know that a lot of people wanted him to fail for a while because success would be seen as proof for the elephant theory. - SlayerS was seen as falling under the eSF umbrella in terms of eSF vs KeSPA, but was not an eSF team. Same for Axiom. - It seems less of a stretch to call PartinG a KeSPA player than Taeja a foreign player by virtue of their teams. - Almost all good players on eSF teams were pro-gamers on KeSPA teams in the past. - The elephant in the room article implied that there would be a linear connection between Brood War skill and SC2 skill. In this sense, are cjhero, t8-cure and wjs-sos elephants? They were nobodies before SC2. I would propose that we only talk about eSF vs KeSPA in the context of two sets of teams that both have their own team league. It's fun to speculate about how well they would do against each other and who is going to win out in the end. What I would also suggest is to stop caring about whether the achievements of individual players reflect anything, such as the organisation they are part of. PartinG's wins don't reflect on KeSPA at all, nor do they on eSF, it's just an individual player doing very well. Beautiful, just beautiful - Perfectly said. The term Proto-Elephant also sounds amazingly badass for some reason. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
It'll likely be better than the last one at least, as it's a fight for protoss presidency again xD. MC has already won best WoL protoss in my mind though so won't change much even if PartinG takes this season. | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On February 15 2013 22:46 liberate71 wrote: It doesn't bring excitement, it promotes massive amounts of hostility and angst. It's not friendly banter or competition. It's people being argumentative/aggravating twats for no reason other than it gives them a reason to do so. This. So much. Makes me sick to be frank. LR threads are utterly unreadable because of it. Team vs team rivalries are always pretty friendly. But the KeSPA vs ESF thing has just devolved into something disgustingly hostile and aggressive; all thanks to that damn "Elephant" article. On February 15 2013 23:07 BlazeFury01 wrote: Which is why I said the hostility is fine due to the anonymity of the people (meaning that nobody gets hurt regardless of how heated things get). Also, it depends on the person too. The rivalry is fine and should be accepted. I believe the elephant article screwed everything up though. The writer should have played silent killer... So you think a fundamentally hostile environment is suitable for a website that acts as the major community hub is a good thing? Really? | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On February 15 2013 23:39 BlazeFury01 wrote: It's degrading in the sense that he's a great player and the analogy for "Foreigner" (with Stephano as an exception) is generally to describe poor play or play that isn't up to par to that of Koreans. Taeja doesn't showcase or exhibit "poor play" often, so I feel that calling him a "foreigner" is degrading to his status. I'm not a Taeja fan by any means. There's a difference between saying someone is a foreign player and using the term "he just did a foreigner." Just saying someone is a foreigner is not a degrading term. | ||
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Taipoka
Brazil1224 Posts
On February 15 2013 23:58 Grumbels wrote: - Hyun was dubbed a proto-elephant, he was originally on KeSPA, then joined an eSF team, then joined a foreign team. I know that a lot of people wanted him to fail for a while because success would be seen as proof for the elephant theory. - SlayerS was seen as falling under the eSF umbrella in terms of eSF vs KeSPA, but was not an eSF team. Same for Axiom. - It seems less of a stretch to call PartinG a KeSPA player than Taeja a foreign player by virtue of their teams. - Almost all good players on eSF teams were pro-gamers on KeSPA teams in the past. - The elephant in the room article implied that there would be a linear connection between Brood War skill and SC2 skill. In this sense, are cjhero, t8-cure and wjs-sos elephants? They were nobodies before SC2. I would propose that we only talk about eSF vs KeSPA in the context of two sets of teams that both have their own team league. It's fun to speculate about how well they would do against each other and who is going to win out in the end. What I would also suggest is to stop caring about whether the achievements of individual players reflect anything, such as the organisation they are part of. PartinG's wins don't reflect on KeSPA at all, nor do they on eSF, it's just an individual player doing very well. I would propose to let people get their freedom on the internet, and not have some rules like: "we only talk about eSF vs KeSPA in the context of two sets of teams..." We already have too many social rules in our lives. | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
On February 15 2013 23:07 StarGalaxy wrote: Matchups times are announced if i am not mistaken. You should just use Liquipedia...it's there for a reason  | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On February 16 2013 00:17 Taipoka wrote: I would propose to let people get their freedom on the internet, and not have some rules like: "we only talk about eSF vs KeSPA in the context of two sets of teams..." We already have too many social rules in our lives. Flash said in his recent interview there is no difference between Kespa and eSF players, enough is enough and I know most everyone is tired of reading that crap in these threads. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On February 15 2013 23:58 Grumbels wrote: - Hyun was dubbed a proto-elephant, he was originally on KeSPA, then joined an eSF team, then joined a foreign team. I know that a lot of people wanted him to fail for a while because success would be seen as proof for the elephant theory. - SlayerS was seen as falling under the eSF umbrella in terms of eSF vs KeSPA, but was not an eSF team. Same for Axiom. - It seems less of a stretch to call PartinG a KeSPA player than Taeja a foreign player by virtue of their teams. - Almost all good players on eSF teams were pro-gamers on KeSPA teams in the past. - The elephant in the room article implied that there would be a linear connection between Brood War skill and SC2 skill. In this sense, are cjhero, t8-cure and wjs-sos elephants? They were nobodies before SC2. Was this really the case. Granted, It's been a long time since I read that article, but it seemed to suggest more a numbers game than anything else. That if you add 100+ of the best RTS players in the world, many of them would succeed in SC2 simply due to sheer numbers game. Of course, since Kespa switched a year later, where its own talent pool was been diluted with switches to LOL and retirement, as well as bigger grass root talent coming from new players in Korea and around the world, the talent saturation. I've always thought the article itself was made of common sense, and the results haven't really disprove it. Simply that different circumstances create different results. | ||
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sparklyresidue
United States5522 Posts
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Sumahi
Guam5609 Posts
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GARO
United States2255 Posts
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Taipoka
Brazil1224 Posts
On February 16 2013 00:19 Dodgin wrote: Flash said in his recent interview there is no difference between Kespa and eSF players, enough is enough and I know most everyone is tired of reading that crap in these threads. So do like i do. Ignore the posts and go have your fun.  If people want to fight, thats a problem of these people, ah and of the moderators | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On February 15 2013 23:20 liberate71 wrote: I really don't understand how hostility is "fine" because everyone is anonymous. I understand this is the internet, but it also isnt 4chan. I think the general "rivalry" is great - I was really intrigued by the "Elephants" coming over from BW. It just escalates in such extreme fashion by completely moronic statements by fanatic "fans" in the LR threads these days that it becomes a completely unpleasant topic to discuss as everyone is throwing shit at each other. I'm a fan of players from both eSF and KeSPA and have no interest in proving if one is superior/inferior in the other, and maybe I just dont understand why others feel the need to do so  Maybe its because I didn't ever follow broodwar.. so it almost feels like a BW vs SC2 argument when its all one thing now *shrugs* 2c :D "Maybe its because I didn't ever follow broodwar" is the key phrase behind all your statements liberate71. I followed BW for a good amount of time, I followed BW more than SC2 exists and I'm sad because it is gone. So now, every time a former BW player wins, I'm shit happy even if it is Bbyong. It is even harder to imagine what other guys feel, who lived with BW since 200x. I guess a lot of them without hesitation would switch back if that was possible. But it is not, yet we still follow former BW players and watch them play. I enjoy watching others, but the tension and the entertainment level of SC2 is nowhere close imo. I have never played SC2 except for the campaign and few matches against pc. I didn't like it. Let this short story be a tip for why do some ppl start this kespa/elephant spam. | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
Very happy Parting took it though, very very happy. That was a tense series | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On February 16 2013 00:23 GARO wrote: No one gave roro a chance against life, so of course he does it to spite you :D Roro curse strikes! | ||
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