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Does anybody know when the GSL matches for next week will be announced?
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I'm glad we have a nice mix of match ups in the Ro8 anyway - potential Innovation v Taeja rematch would be awesome at some point.
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On February 15 2013 23:01 StarGalaxy wrote:
Does anybody know when the GSL matches for next week will be announced?
Matchups or times?
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after boongboong won the first game against parting i went to workout i was entirely sure that parting gonna be eliminated and i could write that the presidenttoss reclaimed his throne, but instead i have to watch the vods. sick comeback. GG Parting
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On February 15 2013 22:59 liberate71 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 22:54 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 15 2013 22:46 liberate71 wrote:On February 15 2013 22:42 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 15 2013 22:40 syroz wrote:On February 15 2013 22:38 Hyperionnn wrote:On February 15 2013 22:35 Qikz wrote:On February 15 2013 22:31 blamekilly wrote:
ROFL. seriously Taeja is considered a foreigner now? that's so much of a reach. He's on a foreign team. It's not where they're from it's their teams. Parting is on a Kespa team, so he's a Kespa player. Taeja is on a foreign team so he's a foreign player. So Stephano is from USA!! And Goswser from france, illusion from germany. It make sens. Stop with this stupid Kespa Esl rivalry, it's nonsens. Not really, the rivalry brings excitement. It's no different then say: AFC vs NFC or East vs West. It's especially fun watching the Kespa doubters get proven wrong day by day. So, I say keep the rivalry. It doesn't bring excitement, it promotes massive amounts of hostility and angst. It's not friendly banter or competition. It's people being argumentative/aggravating twats for no reason other than it gives them a reason to do so. People do that between teams regardless. Look at the NFL or NBA playoffs and you'll see what I mean. The hostility will exist regardless. It may not bring excitement to you, but that's also your opinion. Also, the hostility and angst is fine because everyone's anonymous. I'm not sure if youre being sarcastic or not (in relation to the bold part). The banter in regards to Startale v LG-IM, or SK Telecom T1 v KT Rolster is more productive and relative to what you've mentioned. The KeSPA/eSF thing is more comparable to soccer hooligan's starting riots in the streets of Europe cause their team lost.
Which is why I said the hostility is fine due to the anonymity of the people (meaning that nobody gets hurt regardless of how heated things get). Also, it depends on the person too. The rivalry is fine and should be accepted. I believe the elephant article screwed everything up though. The writer should have played silent killer...
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On February 15 2013 23:05 Pistoche wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 23:01 StarGalaxy wrote:
Does anybody know when the GSL matches for next week will be announced? Matchups or times?
Matchups
times are announced if i am not mistaken.
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hmm, life is eliminated after going 4-4. has this ever happened before in gsl history?
anyway, roro is shaping up to be one of the top dogs on the scene. and as awesome as life is, parting is just as cool and its nice to have one zerg less in the ro8.
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On February 15 2013 23:07 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 22:59 liberate71 wrote:On February 15 2013 22:54 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 15 2013 22:46 liberate71 wrote:On February 15 2013 22:42 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 15 2013 22:40 syroz wrote:On February 15 2013 22:38 Hyperionnn wrote:On February 15 2013 22:35 Qikz wrote:On February 15 2013 22:31 blamekilly wrote:
ROFL. seriously Taeja is considered a foreigner now? that's so much of a reach. He's on a foreign team. It's not where they're from it's their teams. Parting is on a Kespa team, so he's a Kespa player. Taeja is on a foreign team so he's a foreign player. So Stephano is from USA!! And Goswser from france, illusion from germany. It make sens. Stop with this stupid Kespa Esl rivalry, it's nonsens. Not really, the rivalry brings excitement. It's no different then say: AFC vs NFC or East vs West. It's especially fun watching the Kespa doubters get proven wrong day by day. So, I say keep the rivalry. It doesn't bring excitement, it promotes massive amounts of hostility and angst. It's not friendly banter or competition. It's people being argumentative/aggravating twats for no reason other than it gives them a reason to do so. People do that between teams regardless. Look at the NFL or NBA playoffs and you'll see what I mean. The hostility will exist regardless. It may not bring excitement to you, but that's also your opinion. Also, the hostility and angst is fine because everyone's anonymous. I'm not sure if youre being sarcastic or not (in relation to the bold part). The banter in regards to Startale v LG-IM, or SK Telecom T1 v KT Rolster is more productive and relative to what you've mentioned. The KeSPA/eSF thing is more comparable to soccer hooligan's starting riots in the streets of Europe cause their team lost. Which is why I said the hostility is fine due to the anonymity of the people (meaning that nobody gets hurt regardless of how heated things get). Also, it depends on the person too. The rivalry is fine and should be accepted. I believe the elephant article screwed everything up though. The writer should have played silent killer...
The elephant article certainly plays it's part. It's become less about a friendly rivalry and more about proving the superiority/inferiority of each side. When stuff like the comes into play people take it a lot more personally depending on how invested they are into certain players or teams.
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On February 15 2013 23:09 Black Gun wrote:
hmm, life is eliminated after going 4-4. has this ever happened before in gsl history?
anyway, roro is shaping up to be one of the top dogs on the scene. and as awesome as life is, parting is just as cool and its nice to have one zerg less in the ro8.
Hero got eliminated after going 4-4 last season beating soulkey 2-0, losing to curious 2-1 then losing to soulkey 2-1.
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On February 15 2013 22:17 herMan wrote:
Kespa > eSF yeah sure when kespa can buy the best out of eSF. They have all the money.
And in this case the best of eSF came from KeSPA 
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There is valid discussion to be had, in any case. Defaulting to screaming: "stop talking about it!" anytime someone mentions the word KeSPA is annoying as well. Either report people that you feel are crossing the line and being hostile, participate in the discussion and try to have it go in a more sensible direction or ignore it. Don't try to derail it by having this weird meta conversation about it.
It reminds me of when some issue is so sensitive that just one person crossing the line provokes 10 pages of discussion on 'how could he have said that!' Like, just ignore/report such people and move on, it's not that difficult.
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On February 15 2013 23:07 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 22:59 liberate71 wrote:On February 15 2013 22:54 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 15 2013 22:46 liberate71 wrote:On February 15 2013 22:42 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 15 2013 22:40 syroz wrote:On February 15 2013 22:38 Hyperionnn wrote:On February 15 2013 22:35 Qikz wrote:On February 15 2013 22:31 blamekilly wrote:
ROFL. seriously Taeja is considered a foreigner now? that's so much of a reach. He's on a foreign team. It's not where they're from it's their teams. Parting is on a Kespa team, so he's a Kespa player. Taeja is on a foreign team so he's a foreign player. So Stephano is from USA!! And Goswser from france, illusion from germany. It make sens. Stop with this stupid Kespa Esl rivalry, it's nonsens. Not really, the rivalry brings excitement. It's no different then say: AFC vs NFC or East vs West. It's especially fun watching the Kespa doubters get proven wrong day by day. So, I say keep the rivalry. It doesn't bring excitement, it promotes massive amounts of hostility and angst. It's not friendly banter or competition. It's people being argumentative/aggravating twats for no reason other than it gives them a reason to do so. People do that between teams regardless. Look at the NFL or NBA playoffs and you'll see what I mean. The hostility will exist regardless. It may not bring excitement to you, but that's also your opinion. Also, the hostility and angst is fine because everyone's anonymous. I'm not sure if youre being sarcastic or not (in relation to the bold part). The banter in regards to Startale v LG-IM, or SK Telecom T1 v KT Rolster is more productive and relative to what you've mentioned. The KeSPA/eSF thing is more comparable to soccer hooligan's starting riots in the streets of Europe cause their team lost. Which is why I said the hostility is fine due to the anonymity of the people (meaning that nobody gets hurt regardless of how heated things get). Also, it depends on the person too. The rivalry is fine and should be accepted. I believe the elephant article screwed everything up though. The writer should have played silent killer...
I really don't understand how hostility is "fine" because everyone is anonymous. I understand this is the internet, but it also isnt 4chan.
I think the general "rivalry" is great - I was really intrigued by the "Elephants" coming over from BW. It just escalates in such extreme fashion by completely moronic statements by fanatic "fans" in the LR threads these days that it becomes a completely unpleasant topic to discuss as everyone is throwing shit at each other.
I'm a fan of players from both eSF and KeSPA and have no interest in proving if one is superior/inferior in the other, and maybe I just dont understand why others feel the need to do so
Maybe its because I didn't ever follow broodwar.. so it almost feels like a BW vs SC2 argument when its all one thing now *shrugs* 2c :D
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On February 15 2013 22:56 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 22:48 Arceus wrote:On February 15 2013 22:35 Qikz wrote:On February 15 2013 22:31 blamekilly wrote:
ROFL. seriously Taeja is considered a foreigner now? that's so much of a reach. He's on a foreign team. It's not where they're from it's their teams. Parting is on a Kespa team, so he's a Kespa player. Taeja is on a foreign team so he's a foreign player. I would rather say Taeja is a KeSPA player. I beg to differ. But calling him a foreign player is downright degrading and disrespectful.
It's wrong, but hardly degrading.
I don't know why people seem to think there is a fundamental difference between Koreans and foreigners. Koreans aren't good because they're Koreans, they're good because they're good. There is no difference a priori. Foreigners are not some kind of untermensch, and if all you changed about Taeja was his nationality, he would still be equally good at Starcraft and equally worthy of respect.
This attitude seriously needs to stop.
In the same vein, a foreign player should not have more to prove just because he's foreign, and a Korean player should not automatically be considered better just because he's Korean. Yet I see this all too often.
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On February 15 2013 23:31 TheBB wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 22:56 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 15 2013 22:48 Arceus wrote:On February 15 2013 22:35 Qikz wrote:On February 15 2013 22:31 blamekilly wrote:
ROFL. seriously Taeja is considered a foreigner now? that's so much of a reach. He's on a foreign team. It's not where they're from it's their teams. Parting is on a Kespa team, so he's a Kespa player. Taeja is on a foreign team so he's a foreign player. I would rather say Taeja is a KeSPA player. I beg to differ. But calling him a foreign player is downright degrading and disrespectful. It's wrong, but hardly degrading. I don't know why people seem to think there is a fundamental difference between Koreans and foreigners. Koreans aren't good because they're Koreans, they're good because they're good. There is no difference a priori. Foreigners are not some kind of untermensch, and if all you changed about Taeja was his nationality, he would still be equally good at Starcraft and equally worthy of respect. This attitude seriously needs to stop. In the same vein, a foreign player should not have more to prove just because he's foreign, and a Korean player should not automatically be considered better just because he's Korean. Yet I see this all too often.
I understand what you mean and kinda agree, but certain countries/regions tend to be good at one thing (Eastern European's being good at weightlifting, kenyan's being good at long distance running etc.) so maybe this is the Korean thing? :D
But yeah calling him foreign isn't degrading or disrespectful, its just inaccurate haha
He's a Korean player, playing in a foreign team.
As far as I know, a "foreigner" in the Starcraft sense, is someone who isn't Korean (for the person who decided Taeja was now a "foreigner" cause he's in TL)
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On February 15 2013 23:31 TheBB wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 22:56 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 15 2013 22:48 Arceus wrote:On February 15 2013 22:35 Qikz wrote:On February 15 2013 22:31 blamekilly wrote:
ROFL. seriously Taeja is considered a foreigner now? that's so much of a reach. He's on a foreign team. It's not where they're from it's their teams. Parting is on a Kespa team, so he's a Kespa player. Taeja is on a foreign team so he's a foreign player. I would rather say Taeja is a KeSPA player. I beg to differ. But calling him a foreign player is downright degrading and disrespectful. It's wrong, but hardly degrading. I don't know why people seem to think there is a fundamental difference between Koreans and foreigners. Koreans aren't good because they're Koreans, they're good because they're good. There is no difference a priori. Foreigners are not some kind of untermensch, and if all you changed about Taeja was his nationality, he would still be equally good at Starcraft and equally worthy of respect. This attitude seriously needs to stop. In the same vein, a foreign player should not have more to prove just because he's foreign, and a Korean player should not automatically be considered better just because he's Korean. Yet I see this all too often.
It's degrading in the sense that he's a great player and the analogy for "Foreigner" (with Stephano as an exception) is generally to describe poor play or play that isn't up to par to that of Koreans. Taeja doesn't showcase or exhibit "poor play" often, so I feel that calling him a "foreigner" is degrading to his status. I'm not a Taeja fan by any means.
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On February 15 2013 23:38 liberate71 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 23:31 TheBB wrote:On February 15 2013 22:56 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 15 2013 22:48 Arceus wrote:On February 15 2013 22:35 Qikz wrote:On February 15 2013 22:31 blamekilly wrote:
ROFL. seriously Taeja is considered a foreigner now? that's so much of a reach. He's on a foreign team. It's not where they're from it's their teams. Parting is on a Kespa team, so he's a Kespa player. Taeja is on a foreign team so he's a foreign player. I would rather say Taeja is a KeSPA player. I beg to differ. But calling him a foreign player is downright degrading and disrespectful. It's wrong, but hardly degrading. I don't know why people seem to think there is a fundamental difference between Koreans and foreigners. Koreans aren't good because they're Koreans, they're good because they're good. There is no difference a priori. Foreigners are not some kind of untermensch, and if all you changed about Taeja was his nationality, he would still be equally good at Starcraft and equally worthy of respect. This attitude seriously needs to stop. In the same vein, a foreign player should not have more to prove just because he's foreign, and a Korean player should not automatically be considered better just because he's Korean. Yet I see this all too often. I understand what you mean and kinda agree, but certain countries/regions tend to be good at one thing (eastern european's being good at weightlifting, kenyan's being good at long distance running etc.) so maybe this is the Korean thing? :D
Sure, I just feel that a non-Kenyan olympic 10000m champion would not be judged on the number of Kenyans in the final race, but rather the time spent running.
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About parting he is a kespa player but he is not an elephant. He was formed (in sc2) in the eSF so if he wins the GSL will be something weird, it will be like a pay victory.
In the end he is a pretty scare player 
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On February 15 2013 23:39 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 23:31 TheBB wrote:On February 15 2013 22:56 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 15 2013 22:48 Arceus wrote:On February 15 2013 22:35 Qikz wrote:On February 15 2013 22:31 blamekilly wrote:
ROFL. seriously Taeja is considered a foreigner now? that's so much of a reach. He's on a foreign team. It's not where they're from it's their teams. Parting is on a Kespa team, so he's a Kespa player. Taeja is on a foreign team so he's a foreign player. I would rather say Taeja is a KeSPA player. I beg to differ. But calling him a foreign player is downright degrading and disrespectful. It's wrong, but hardly degrading. I don't know why people seem to think there is a fundamental difference between Koreans and foreigners. Koreans aren't good because they're Koreans, they're good because they're good. There is no difference a priori. Foreigners are not some kind of untermensch, and if all you changed about Taeja was his nationality, he would still be equally good at Starcraft and equally worthy of respect. This attitude seriously needs to stop. In the same vein, a foreign player should not have more to prove just because he's foreign, and a Korean player should not automatically be considered better just because he's Korean. Yet I see this all too often. It's degrading in the sense that he's a great player and the analogy for "Foreigner" (with Stephano as an exception) is generally to describe poor play or play that isn't up to par to that of Koreans. Taeja doesn't showcase or exhibit "poor play" often, so I feel that calling him a "foreigner" is degrading to his status. I'm not a Taeja fan by any means.
Depends in the context I guess. The context in this thread was that he was a foreigner due to being in Team Liquid (a foreign [non korean] team), not due to "playing like a foreigner".
This is all melting my brain now! Time to go lose some HOTS games and watch Jet Li movies.
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On February 15 2013 23:43 TheBB wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 23:38 liberate71 wrote:On February 15 2013 23:31 TheBB wrote:On February 15 2013 22:56 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 15 2013 22:48 Arceus wrote:On February 15 2013 22:35 Qikz wrote:On February 15 2013 22:31 blamekilly wrote:
ROFL. seriously Taeja is considered a foreigner now? that's so much of a reach. He's on a foreign team. It's not where they're from it's their teams. Parting is on a Kespa team, so he's a Kespa player. Taeja is on a foreign team so he's a foreign player. I would rather say Taeja is a KeSPA player. I beg to differ. But calling him a foreign player is downright degrading and disrespectful. It's wrong, but hardly degrading. I don't know why people seem to think there is a fundamental difference between Koreans and foreigners. Koreans aren't good because they're Koreans, they're good because they're good. There is no difference a priori. Foreigners are not some kind of untermensch, and if all you changed about Taeja was his nationality, he would still be equally good at Starcraft and equally worthy of respect. This attitude seriously needs to stop. In the same vein, a foreign player should not have more to prove just because he's foreign, and a Korean player should not automatically be considered better just because he's Korean. Yet I see this all too often. I understand what you mean and kinda agree, but certain countries/regions tend to be good at one thing (eastern european's being good at weightlifting, kenyan's being good at long distance running etc.) so maybe this is the Korean thing? :D Sure, I just feel that a non-Kenyan olympic 10000m champion would not be judged on the number of Kenyans in the final race, but rather the time spent running.
Interesting point, and I agree... but I do understand there being a general expectation that Kenyans would fill the top 3 spots, much like Koreans at MLG
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On February 15 2013 23:39 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 23:31 TheBB wrote:On February 15 2013 22:56 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 15 2013 22:48 Arceus wrote:On February 15 2013 22:35 Qikz wrote:On February 15 2013 22:31 blamekilly wrote:
ROFL. seriously Taeja is considered a foreigner now? that's so much of a reach. He's on a foreign team. It's not where they're from it's their teams. Parting is on a Kespa team, so he's a Kespa player. Taeja is on a foreign team so he's a foreign player. I would rather say Taeja is a KeSPA player. I beg to differ. But calling him a foreign player is downright degrading and disrespectful. It's wrong, but hardly degrading. I don't know why people seem to think there is a fundamental difference between Koreans and foreigners. Koreans aren't good because they're Koreans, they're good because they're good. There is no difference a priori. Foreigners are not some kind of untermensch, and if all you changed about Taeja was his nationality, he would still be equally good at Starcraft and equally worthy of respect. This attitude seriously needs to stop. In the same vein, a foreign player should not have more to prove just because he's foreign, and a Korean player should not automatically be considered better just because he's Korean. Yet I see this all too often. the analogy for "Foreigner" (with Stephano as an exception) is generally to describe poor play
With all due respect I think that interpretation is dumb. «Foreigner» means «not in possession of a South Korean citizenship», or in some cases «not trained in the South Korean scene».
If people want to say «bad player» they should use the term «bad player». That is degrading.
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