[Code S] RO16 Group D 2013 Season 1 - Page 96

On February 16 2013 01:47 vthree wrote:


And there are just as many BW hardcore followers who would vote Kespa regardless of player and their game play (Remember in WCS Korean when they said Kespa players were just as good as eSF players even though they have only been playing 1 month? How many elephants jpeg were posted?). Like Flash himself just said, Kespa players are no different from eSF players. They are not more 'talented' in RTS games. It will come down to hard work and talent (in SC2). The elephant is dead (killed by the God Elephant himself).

Honestly, the future top players of SC2 will be a mixed of eSF WoL stars, Kespa BW stars, eSF WoL non-stars that become great in HoTS and Kespa non-starts that become great in HoTS and maybe even a foreigner (could be Stephano or someone else).

On February 16 2013 03:22 fluidin wrote:


Sorry, but it seems a stretch to use Flash's single statement to infer all that you did. What Flash meant, I don't think anyone except for himself really understands.

Although I too am sick of the constant bitching, there is some truth to the Elephant thread, depending on how you interpret it. It is equally amusing to watch both sides bicker, but how a single statement from Flash could be taken out of context is a tad irritating, especially when used to propel one side of the argument.

On February 16 2013 03:12 c0sm0naut wrote:
upset to see parting advance. especially in the way he does. its interesting how players like CoL heart get shit talked about them constantly by the casters and community, but parting does straight up blind all ins more frequently and is a macro champ i guess. congratulation, sentry immortal is really good and has no counter, and if you perfect it you no longer have to scout. this isn't what sc2 should be, if i was him yes i'd do the same thing (via shit ton of $$$ and being a poor nerd) but seriously bored of watching forcefields trap players who see this push coming miles ahead, have large army , still unable to stop.

On February 16 2013 03:32 vthree wrote:
(He CAN be the top SC2 player but it isn't necessarily because he was the top BW player).

On February 16 2013 03:46 GL999et1000 wrote:

This is funny cuz PartinG made only 1 7G all-in on the 8 games he played today... And at Blizzard Cup he won against Violet and DRG without a single 7G all-in. The same at MLG ToC when he beat Life and SoO without 7G all-in.
Today he won in playing macro games with sky toss or with colo ht stalkers, in being very smart and in innovating with his build colo on 2 bases.
Brief, you should watch his games.

On February 16 2013 03:47 Talin wrote:


It isn't because he was the top BW player, but it is because he was the top tier progamer and thus has the experience of excelling in that profession. Especially compared to players who had no such experience (or success in it) pre-SC2, and even now for the most part don't practice in an equally professional environment.

On February 16 2013 04:03 c0sm0naut wrote:


i have watched the games, they went exactly like parting pvz series always are. Mostly sentry immortals, when it doesnt work, he harasses with a warp prism and dies to counter attack. That's his pvz build, or the zerg plays silly and dies to a hidden tech, like Collosus or his air build on akilon flats. Those matches are slightly better, but i dont think parting is anything special or impressive to watch, when his backup build/fallback option is 3 immortal push and it saves him from losing series against better players (life). Also, i find it kind of cheeky that people are attributing his success in macro games to him, and not the fact that every zerg he is playing against is blind countering sentry immortal. Yeah, i can win 20 min + games where i go collosus/voidray too, especially if zerg dumps thousands of resources into roach ling in the early game trying to gain even the smallest meta advantage over a build that has no counter. that's why it's silly. with no immortal mind games, these zergs outclass him mechanically and i believe are the rightful ro8 players. i'm glad the distribution is not as terrible as it was in ro32 for protoss, at least proportionally speaking, but i really dont think parting has done anything special this season and is ultimately relying on overtuned builds and a broken meta.

On February 16 2013 04:03 c0sm0naut wrote:


i have watched the games, they went exactly like parting pvz series always are. Mostly sentry immortals, when it doesnt work, he harasses with a warp prism and dies to counter attack. That's his pvz build, or the zerg plays silly and dies to a hidden tech, like Collosus or his air build on akilon flats. Those matches are slightly better, but i dont think parting is anything special or impressive to watch, when his backup build/fallback option is 3 immortal push and it saves him from losing series against better players (life). Also, i find it kind of cheeky that people are attributing his success in macro games to him, and not the fact that every zerg he is playing against is blind countering sentry immortal. Yeah, i can win 20 min + games where i go collosus/voidray too, especially if zerg dumps thousands of resources into roach ling in the early game trying to gain even the smallest meta advantage over a build that has no counter. that's why it's silly. with no immortal mind games, these zergs outclass him mechanically and i believe are the rightful ro8 players. i'm glad the distribution is not as terrible as it was in ro32 for protoss, at least proportionally speaking, but i really dont think parting has done anything special this season and is ultimately relying on overtuned builds and a broken meta.

On February 16 2013 04:08 vthree wrote:


So Flash would be a top tier CS 1.6 player because he was a top tier 'progamer'? Were Bogus, Roro, Soulkey the top progamers as well.

What about Moon and Grubby? Weren't they top tier 'progamers'? Are you so dense that the similarity between BW and SC2 had nothing to do with the expectations?

On February 16 2013 03:15 mangofrancesco wrote:
Great waking up and finding out Life getting bopped by Parting

On February 16 2013 04:03 c0sm0naut wrote:


i have watched the games, they went exactly like parting pvz series always are. Mostly sentry immortals, when it doesnt work, he harasses with a warp prism and dies to counter attack. That's his pvz build, or the zerg plays silly and dies to a hidden tech, like Collosus or his air build on akilon flats. Those matches are slightly better, but i dont think parting is anything special or impressive to watch, when his backup build/fallback option is 3 immortal push and it saves him from losing series against better players (life). Also, i find it kind of cheeky that people are attributing his success in macro games to him, and not the fact that every zerg he is playing against is blind countering sentry immortal. Yeah, i can win 20 min + games where i go collosus/voidray too, especially if zerg dumps thousands of resources into roach ling in the early game trying to gain even the smallest meta advantage over a build that has no counter. that's why it's silly. with no immortal mind games, these zergs outclass him mechanically and i believe are the rightful ro8 players. i'm glad the distribution is not as terrible as it was in ro32 for protoss, at least proportionally speaking, but i really dont think parting has done anything special this season and is ultimately relying on overtuned builds and a broken meta.