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On February 01 2013 22:11 kafkaesque wrote:
Not the greatest day for foreign SC2.
Mostly due to the way a lot of "Sc2 fans" are behaving really...
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On February 01 2013 22:12 liberate71 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 22:08 Flinch wrote:On February 01 2013 22:05 Vertigro wrote:On February 01 2013 22:01 Flinch wrote:On February 01 2013 21:54 Awesomeness wrote:On February 01 2013 21:52 sitromit wrote:
Is the "Stephano could win GSL" nonsense finally over now? Can we just call him the best foreigner and leave it at that? Can we do that AND stop the "Stephano is not code s level" nonsense? Now that would be great. Maybe if you tell me what he proved tonight that made him Code S level? 2-0ing Hack, a player who ISN'T Code S level? Going 1-4 against Innovation, being read like a book and demolished, a player who IS Code S level? IF Stephano makes it back to Code S then I'll consider him it, until then, no, he's just the best foreigner. that's a little harsh? hack as far as i know qualified for code S fair and square? he deserved to be in that group, and whilst he was clearly one of the weaker 32 players, had still earn't his right to be there, also, I didn't see stephano getting "demolished" by innovation? I saw an innovation was was better prepared and superior in terms of tactical choice, but in terms of ability i think stephano held his own and more (see game 2 of the 2nd series)... everyone know's hypetrains are annoying, but anti-fan bias is just as irritating No, Stephano got 1-4'd. He won one game in 5, that is getting demolished. The 4 games Innovation won weren't even close. Stephano got STOMPED by Innovation, you can't twist that. Youre so god damn angry. If Stephano won that game, they would have been 2:3 but Stephano advancing. Who's the better player then? Would Stephano have been "beaten" by Innovation yet be in the RO16 instead?
Stephano was NEVER gonna win that game, Innovation read him like a book to the point where he could a-move to victory (lol 3 banes)
1-4, i have actual stats you have retarded fanboyism.
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On February 01 2013 22:12 liberate71 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 22:08 Flinch wrote:On February 01 2013 22:05 Vertigro wrote:On February 01 2013 22:01 Flinch wrote:On February 01 2013 21:54 Awesomeness wrote:On February 01 2013 21:52 sitromit wrote:
Is the "Stephano could win GSL" nonsense finally over now? Can we just call him the best foreigner and leave it at that? Can we do that AND stop the "Stephano is not code s level" nonsense? Now that would be great. Maybe if you tell me what he proved tonight that made him Code S level? 2-0ing Hack, a player who ISN'T Code S level? Going 1-4 against Innovation, being read like a book and demolished, a player who IS Code S level? IF Stephano makes it back to Code S then I'll consider him it, until then, no, he's just the best foreigner. that's a little harsh? hack as far as i know qualified for code S fair and square? he deserved to be in that group, and whilst he was clearly one of the weaker 32 players, had still earn't his right to be there, also, I didn't see stephano getting "demolished" by innovation? I saw an innovation was was better prepared and superior in terms of tactical choice, but in terms of ability i think stephano held his own and more (see game 2 of the 2nd series)... everyone know's hypetrains are annoying, but anti-fan bias is just as irritating No, Stephano got 1-4'd. He won one game in 5, that is getting demolished. The 4 games Innovation won weren't even close. Stephano got STOMPED by Innovation, you can't twist that. Youre so god damn angry. If Stephano won that game, they would have been 2:3 but Stephano advancing. Who's the better player then? Would Stephano have been "beaten" by Innovation yet be in the RO16 instead?
I think he's trying to make destraught fanboys angry, rather than being angry himself 
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On February 01 2013 22:01 Morken wrote:
Hmm what kinda bothers me lately when watching Starcraft is that whenever someone uses a flank or a surround, he is considered a genius.
Why is it that after millenia of human warfare and now after years of pro-gaming in Starcraft, this still seems to be something extraordinary in this game? It's one of the simplest tactical moves (although a devastating one), and all historical battles basically revolved around avoiding to get flanked, yet flank yourself. This should also be standard in Starcraft, but all I see are people who clump up their units into a ball and walk straight onto an open field without any cover at all, just to get overwhelmed by a simple flank.
If this kind of army movement just hasn't caught on yet in Starcraft (since WoL is still somewhat young) I wouldn't care, but it highly annoys me that casters, analysts and all sorts of other people, who call themselves experts in strategy games, act like flanking a completely undefended army was a stroke of genius and something they have never seen before or never would have thought of themselves.
haha I'm with you here. I remember well back in BroodWar, that as a zerg player you had basically no chance of winning without using flanks. It allways depends on your army composition in SC/SC2 if it's useful for you to use flanks. But melee based armies should allways try to hit them and it's actually the point where Zerg players have to be criticized a lot for not using them, because the race is designed to flank (fast, high damage melee/short range units).
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On February 01 2013 22:07 luke3920 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 22:06 AxionSteel wrote:On February 01 2013 22:03 SHODAN wrote:On February 01 2013 21:55 AxionSteel wrote:On February 01 2013 21:54 SHODAN wrote:On February 01 2013 21:47 vthree wrote:On February 01 2013 21:44 SHODAN wrote:Artosis mentioned something about swarmy mass raxx style builds in Brood War. A few season ago, MVP went for a 5 rax into 7 rax build vs Parting. Bogus did the same thing - attack fast, upgrade steadily, expand slowly and trade well. Stephano  GG Problem is that it is more of a surprise/gimmick build. All 3 races have ways to deal with it fairly easily if scouted. Terrans with bunkers into tanks. Protoss with sentries before getting colossi. Zerg with lots of lings and banes. It takes 7 banelings to kill 1 marauder with equal upgrades... Obviously you'd try and hit marines with them  Lings to clean up the Marauders. I don't get why people are calling Bogus' build an all-in or gimmick. It's not standard, but it's a solid style. If his first attack hadn't of done enough damage, I could see him throwing down a late 3rd CC, late factory, armory, then hitting a third attack. It's rather simple...because it relies on the opponent not scouting you for it to be successful... Erm isn't this the case for most builds? lol...
It seems more like a build that relies on good micro, scout denial, and choosing the best time to engage. Bogus could have turned back with his first wave if Stephano had made enough lings/banes to survive. Anything that slows down a zerg's tech is a good thing! Marines & marauders can outrun slow lings, slow banes and roaches, and can split in time vs speedling/bane off-creep.
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Great casting by Wolf today, he did an awesome job.
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On February 01 2013 22:12 liberate71 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 22:08 Flinch wrote:On February 01 2013 22:05 Vertigro wrote:On February 01 2013 22:01 Flinch wrote:On February 01 2013 21:54 Awesomeness wrote:On February 01 2013 21:52 sitromit wrote:
Is the "Stephano could win GSL" nonsense finally over now? Can we just call him the best foreigner and leave it at that? Can we do that AND stop the "Stephano is not code s level" nonsense? Now that would be great. Maybe if you tell me what he proved tonight that made him Code S level? 2-0ing Hack, a player who ISN'T Code S level? Going 1-4 against Innovation, being read like a book and demolished, a player who IS Code S level? IF Stephano makes it back to Code S then I'll consider him it, until then, no, he's just the best foreigner. that's a little harsh? hack as far as i know qualified for code S fair and square? he deserved to be in that group, and whilst he was clearly one of the weaker 32 players, had still earn't his right to be there, also, I didn't see stephano getting "demolished" by innovation? I saw an innovation was was better prepared and superior in terms of tactical choice, but in terms of ability i think stephano held his own and more (see game 2 of the 2nd series)... everyone know's hypetrains are annoying, but anti-fan bias is just as irritating No, Stephano got 1-4'd. He won one game in 5, that is getting demolished. The 4 games Innovation won weren't even close. Stephano got STOMPED by Innovation, you can't twist that. Youre so god damn angry. If Stephano won that game, they would have been 2:3 but Stephano advancing. Who's the better player then? Would Stephano have been "beaten" by Innovation yet be in the RO16 instead?
Yeah but that didn't happen. So...
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On February 01 2013 22:11 kafkaesque wrote:
Not the greatest day for foreign SC2.
Not the worst either and a fun one at that.
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On February 01 2013 22:13 ES.Genie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 22:08 Undead1993 wrote:On February 01 2013 22:06 Flinch wrote:On February 01 2013 22:04 bittman wrote:On February 01 2013 22:01 Flinch wrote:On February 01 2013 21:54 Awesomeness wrote:On February 01 2013 21:52 sitromit wrote:
Is the "Stephano could win GSL" nonsense finally over now? Can we just call him the best foreigner and leave it at that? Can we do that AND stop the "Stephano is not code s level" nonsense? Now that would be great. Maybe if you tell me what he proved tonight that made him Code S level? 2-0ing Hack, a player who ISN'T Code S level? Going 1-4 against Innovation, being read like a book and demolished, a player who IS Code S level? IF Stephano makes it back to Code S then I'll consider him it, until then, no, he's just the best foreigner. We live in a strange world. Where not being of "Code S level" means you are in Code S. Truly, an age for the paradoxes. HuK Code S level amirite? Hack is bad, get over it. Stephano is 1-4 against good players in Code S. "against good players in code s" Against 1 player who was ro4 last season lol ... haters never stop How is that hate? Do you want to deny that Stephano is 1-4 against Bogus?
no, i want to deny that bogus is just a "good player" ma boi 
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On February 01 2013 22:10 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 22:06 Poopi wrote:On February 01 2013 22:03 vthree wrote:On February 01 2013 22:00 Poopi wrote:On February 01 2013 21:58 SiroKO wrote:On February 01 2013 21:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 01 2013 21:49 vthree wrote:On February 01 2013 21:46 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 01 2013 21:43 decado90 wrote:On February 01 2013 21:42 Vindicare605 wrote:
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They were a good match for each other. I dont want to jump to any conclusions about who's more skilled by just one series.
Innovation made the Semis last season and beat a lot of top Zergs to get there. he's definitely quality.
But Stephano stuck right there with him and in the same night also outclassed Hack. He's a top Zerg even if his haters don't want to admit it. He got put in a tough group and barely didnt make it out. No harm in that, better players than him have said the same thing. Code S is tough and Stephano just learned that firsthand. Are you serious dude? Bogus is so much better than Stephano. He actually has a chance to win the GSL for starters. Dead serious. Stephano is a superior macro player in general IMO but Innovation beat him using superior decision making and early game tactics. A lot of that has to do with a probable lack of preparation on Stephano's part which is normal considering that GSL is much different than any of the marathon foreigner events he's used to playing. I think given time to adjust more to the way GSL is played as well as some better scouting I think Stephano could take him in a long series. His game number 2 was about as one sided as a TvZ can possibly be which tells me that if Innovation doesn't manage to secure an early advantage somehow that Stephano will crush him with his superior late game. It's a normal dynamic between players of similar skill level. I think Stephano and Bogus' macro play are on a similar level. But the game gives the advantage to macro zergs over macro terrans right now. The terrans basically needs to stifle the zerg's eco before it gets out of hand. Did you see Bomber's games by chance? I mean in general there's definitely an advantage for Zergs in the later game if they aren't harassed or pressured that's obvious sure, but game 2 was more than just the Zerg late game advantage. Stephano beat Innovation in virtually every catergory. Superior macro, superior multitasking, superior army movement and scouting, superior compositions, unbelievable creep spread that was almost impossible to check. I mean yea Zerg has a nice late game advantage but I'd love to see Stephano try and trounce Bomber or Gumiho the way he slaughtered Innovation in game 2. Their late game play is far superior IMO. Bomber and Gumiho won a single bo3 against Sniper and now they're the TvZ messia... Lol why don't you stop with that? :D Bomber won quite a lot of TvZ recently, in good fashion. He really is the terran with the most chance to do well in this GSL TvZ wise if he doesn't choke like he did a lot of times in the past. Bomber's TvZ is really good. But I still think he is a huge underdog vs Life, DRG. And slight underdog to Symbol. And probably 50/50 vs Curious, LosirA. Yeah but he is the best chance we have. With our 3x% winrate we don't have a lot anyways. Hopefully in HoTS, Blizzard will take a look at creep spread. Because I don't even think it is the units (infestors, BL, etc) anymore. Once the creep gets going, there is not much terran can do other than to wait for the zerg to make mistakes. Terrans have 0 map control and zergs choose exactly when and where they want to engage. Or else we are just going to see terrans going to that early siege tank widow mines push
Maybe Raven's should be able to clear creep with a spell or something. Like a "cleanse" ability with a large splash radius.
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On February 01 2013 22:13 Flinch wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 22:12 liberate71 wrote:On February 01 2013 22:08 Flinch wrote:On February 01 2013 22:05 Vertigro wrote:On February 01 2013 22:01 Flinch wrote:On February 01 2013 21:54 Awesomeness wrote:On February 01 2013 21:52 sitromit wrote:
Is the "Stephano could win GSL" nonsense finally over now? Can we just call him the best foreigner and leave it at that? Can we do that AND stop the "Stephano is not code s level" nonsense? Now that would be great. Maybe if you tell me what he proved tonight that made him Code S level? 2-0ing Hack, a player who ISN'T Code S level? Going 1-4 against Innovation, being read like a book and demolished, a player who IS Code S level? IF Stephano makes it back to Code S then I'll consider him it, until then, no, he's just the best foreigner. that's a little harsh? hack as far as i know qualified for code S fair and square? he deserved to be in that group, and whilst he was clearly one of the weaker 32 players, had still earn't his right to be there, also, I didn't see stephano getting "demolished" by innovation? I saw an innovation was was better prepared and superior in terms of tactical choice, but in terms of ability i think stephano held his own and more (see game 2 of the 2nd series)... everyone know's hypetrains are annoying, but anti-fan bias is just as irritating No, Stephano got 1-4'd. He won one game in 5, that is getting demolished. The 4 games Innovation won weren't even close. Stephano got STOMPED by Innovation, you can't twist that. Youre so god damn angry. If Stephano won that game, they would have been 2:3 but Stephano advancing. Who's the better player then? Would Stephano have been "beaten" by Innovation yet be in the RO16 instead? Stephano was NEVER gonna win that game, Innovation read him like a book to the point where he could a-move to victory (lol 3 banes) 1-4, i have actual stats you have retarded fanboyism.
yes, you can tell us he went 1-4 against bogus...
suppose that would dictate that HuK destroyed Fantasy in the Up/Downs because he went 1-0... technically 1 is bigger than 0 so yeah, actual stats right here
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On February 01 2013 22:13 Flinch wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 22:12 liberate71 wrote:On February 01 2013 22:08 Flinch wrote:On February 01 2013 22:05 Vertigro wrote:On February 01 2013 22:01 Flinch wrote:On February 01 2013 21:54 Awesomeness wrote:On February 01 2013 21:52 sitromit wrote:
Is the "Stephano could win GSL" nonsense finally over now? Can we just call him the best foreigner and leave it at that? Can we do that AND stop the "Stephano is not code s level" nonsense? Now that would be great. Maybe if you tell me what he proved tonight that made him Code S level? 2-0ing Hack, a player who ISN'T Code S level? Going 1-4 against Innovation, being read like a book and demolished, a player who IS Code S level? IF Stephano makes it back to Code S then I'll consider him it, until then, no, he's just the best foreigner. that's a little harsh? hack as far as i know qualified for code S fair and square? he deserved to be in that group, and whilst he was clearly one of the weaker 32 players, had still earn't his right to be there, also, I didn't see stephano getting "demolished" by innovation? I saw an innovation was was better prepared and superior in terms of tactical choice, but in terms of ability i think stephano held his own and more (see game 2 of the 2nd series)... everyone know's hypetrains are annoying, but anti-fan bias is just as irritating No, Stephano got 1-4'd. He won one game in 5, that is getting demolished. The 4 games Innovation won weren't even close. Stephano got STOMPED by Innovation, you can't twist that. Youre so god damn angry. If Stephano won that game, they would have been 2:3 but Stephano advancing. Who's the better player then? Would Stephano have been "beaten" by Innovation yet be in the RO16 instead? Stephano was NEVER gonna win that game, Innovation read him like a book to the point where he could a-move to victory (lol 3 banes) 1-4, i have actual stats you have retarded fanboyism.
Hope you enjoy whatever ban length you're trying to accrue through personal insults. If you want to argue, don't be childish about it.
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On February 01 2013 22:08 Flinch wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 22:05 Vertigro wrote:On February 01 2013 22:01 Flinch wrote:On February 01 2013 21:54 Awesomeness wrote:On February 01 2013 21:52 sitromit wrote:
Is the "Stephano could win GSL" nonsense finally over now? Can we just call him the best foreigner and leave it at that? Can we do that AND stop the "Stephano is not code s level" nonsense? Now that would be great. Maybe if you tell me what he proved tonight that made him Code S level? 2-0ing Hack, a player who ISN'T Code S level? Going 1-4 against Innovation, being read like a book and demolished, a player who IS Code S level? IF Stephano makes it back to Code S then I'll consider him it, until then, no, he's just the best foreigner. that's a little harsh? hack as far as i know qualified for code S fair and square? he deserved to be in that group, and whilst he was clearly one of the weaker 32 players, had still earn't his right to be there, also, I didn't see stephano getting "demolished" by innovation? I saw an innovation was was better prepared and superior in terms of tactical choice, but in terms of ability i think stephano held his own and more (see game 2 of the 2nd series)... everyone know's hypetrains are annoying, but anti-fan bias is just as irritating No, Stephano got 1-4'd. He won one game in 5, that is getting demolished. The 4 games Innovation won weren't even close. Stephano got STOMPED by Innovation, you can't twist that.
final game was close. the hellion allin and 11 11 rax allin are builds where it's hard to make it a close game..if the zerg loses it looks 1 sided, if the zerg holds it looks 1 sided for the zerg. and even in their first game it was pretty close for a long while, stephano put up a good fight and held many many drops/attacks.
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On February 01 2013 22:11 Zelniq wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 22:07 zefreak wrote:
Now that people can't over-hype Stephano they are over-hyping Wolf. Hes a great caster but he completely misread that last game (called a slight advantage for Stephano after losing 15 drones (because he had a third and Bogus didn't) while Apollo was talking about how behind Stephano was at the exact same time.
Fact is, he is passionate and entertaining but his analysis and understanding just isn't as high as that of Artosis or Apollo hm i'd disagree..given his build and lack of any starport, no 3rd cc, not great economy, no tanks just makes it too allin-ish. stephano was able to rebuild drones to get back to being ahead again with earlier upgrades and better tech. it's kind of like the same idea when a terran goes 2rax but zerg holds it off, even tho the zerg is a bit behind or equal in workers he'll be ahead because he'll re-drone fast while terran's entire infrastructure is delayed. like i said before, if stephano was able to get a few more banelings for that last attack he woulda held + won that game...still think he shoulda sacrificed his natural to wait for more units
But the build is an all-in, its the initial push that does enough damage to allow the second attack to be the killing blow. The intention was never to catch up in a macro game, the push did more than enough damage to secure the victory with the follow-up.
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On February 01 2013 22:12 Darrkhan wrote:
Well to me code s caliber player is player who actually can make it to the code s without invite and sustain his spot for certain amount of time. Not saying that Stephano necessary is not code s level but I understand what some people mean. Like, can you honestly say that HuK is code s level? and yet he played there just a few days ago.
HuK got throught Up/Downs. You cannot do this by only luck.
Seeding players just makes sense, because you have to live in korea to do the whole code A/code S thing the hole nine yards.
But not every good players lives or even wants to live there.
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On February 01 2013 22:14 Shaddar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 22:12 liberate71 wrote:On February 01 2013 22:08 Flinch wrote:On February 01 2013 22:05 Vertigro wrote:On February 01 2013 22:01 Flinch wrote:On February 01 2013 21:54 Awesomeness wrote:On February 01 2013 21:52 sitromit wrote:
Is the "Stephano could win GSL" nonsense finally over now? Can we just call him the best foreigner and leave it at that? Can we do that AND stop the "Stephano is not code s level" nonsense? Now that would be great. Maybe if you tell me what he proved tonight that made him Code S level? 2-0ing Hack, a player who ISN'T Code S level? Going 1-4 against Innovation, being read like a book and demolished, a player who IS Code S level? IF Stephano makes it back to Code S then I'll consider him it, until then, no, he's just the best foreigner. that's a little harsh? hack as far as i know qualified for code S fair and square? he deserved to be in that group, and whilst he was clearly one of the weaker 32 players, had still earn't his right to be there, also, I didn't see stephano getting "demolished" by innovation? I saw an innovation was was better prepared and superior in terms of tactical choice, but in terms of ability i think stephano held his own and more (see game 2 of the 2nd series)... everyone know's hypetrains are annoying, but anti-fan bias is just as irritating No, Stephano got 1-4'd. He won one game in 5, that is getting demolished. The 4 games Innovation won weren't even close. Stephano got STOMPED by Innovation, you can't twist that. Youre so god damn angry. If Stephano won that game, they would have been 2:3 but Stephano advancing. Who's the better player then? Would Stephano have been "beaten" by Innovation yet be in the RO16 instead? Yeah but that didn't happen. So...
Phew. I'm glad you pointed out that my hypothetical situation didn't occur. Thanks mate <3
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On February 01 2013 12:20 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 11:51 bittman wrote:On February 01 2013 11:49 Die4Ever wrote:On February 01 2013 11:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Getting in this LR before it becomes toxic!
Stephano wins = Fanboys will be unbearable + Anti fans crying excuses
Stephano loses = Stephano anti fans are going ot be unbearable + Stephano fans crying excuses
GL HF Mods... my god have mercy on your souls!
Also Bogus and DRG to advance! don't forget the kespa fans and esf fans More importantly don't forget those really loud Hack fans. Can't hear a thing over all of them =P (mini Hack fan) So it's just me, you and BlazingHand http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=340244. I just hope he doesn't give us terrible games like what happened yesterday.
Hack has a small but devoted following! That's probably the article I'm most proud of having written. He might need a bit more polishing to be able to hold his own in Code S but Hack is seriously underrated.
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On February 01 2013 22:11 Bjarne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 22:08 Flinch wrote:On February 01 2013 22:05 Vertigro wrote:On February 01 2013 22:01 Flinch wrote:On February 01 2013 21:54 Awesomeness wrote:On February 01 2013 21:52 sitromit wrote:
Is the "Stephano could win GSL" nonsense finally over now? Can we just call him the best foreigner and leave it at that? Can we do that AND stop the "Stephano is not code s level" nonsense? Now that would be great. Maybe if you tell me what he proved tonight that made him Code S level? 2-0ing Hack, a player who ISN'T Code S level? Going 1-4 against Innovation, being read like a book and demolished, a player who IS Code S level? IF Stephano makes it back to Code S then I'll consider him it, until then, no, he's just the best foreigner. that's a little harsh? hack as far as i know qualified for code S fair and square? he deserved to be in that group, and whilst he was clearly one of the weaker 32 players, had still earn't his right to be there, also, I didn't see stephano getting "demolished" by innovation? I saw an innovation was was better prepared and superior in terms of tactical choice, but in terms of ability i think stephano held his own and more (see game 2 of the 2nd series)... everyone know's hypetrains are annoying, but anti-fan bias is just as irritating No, Stephano got 1-4'd. He won one game in 5, that is getting demolished. The 4 games Innovation won weren't even close. Stephano got STOMPED by Innovation, you can't twist that. Last GSL, 28 players ended up behind Bogus. All of them are bad? Stop that bullshit please. There is NOTHING wrong in loosing to Bogus, you can be a TOP LEVEL GSL player and loose against Bogus. Leenock is out too, MVP is out, Stephano is out....so what, means not that much....
All those players have a plethora of RESULTS in GSL, in KOREA, Stephano HAS NONE. YOU HAVE NOTHING TO BACK YOU UP. I HAVE A 1-4 STOMP.
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On February 01 2013 22:13 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 22:08 Dodgin wrote:Man, post match GSL LR fan wars are the best.  You think you're good, HUH? Well, I must say Shellshock totally did a way better job than you in this LR thread! There, I said it! 
I didn't really do anything in this LR thread ;o
I aspire to be like waxangel, have a majority of my posts in the thread be snarky comments.
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On February 01 2013 22:15 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 22:11 Zelniq wrote:On February 01 2013 22:07 zefreak wrote:
Now that people can't over-hype Stephano they are over-hyping Wolf. Hes a great caster but he completely misread that last game (called a slight advantage for Stephano after losing 15 drones (because he had a third and Bogus didn't) while Apollo was talking about how behind Stephano was at the exact same time.
Fact is, he is passionate and entertaining but his analysis and understanding just isn't as high as that of Artosis or Apollo hm i'd disagree..given his build and lack of any starport, no 3rd cc, not great economy, no tanks just makes it too allin-ish. stephano was able to rebuild drones to get back to being ahead again with earlier upgrades and better tech. it's kind of like the same idea when a terran goes 2rax but zerg holds it off, even tho the zerg is a bit behind or equal in workers he'll be ahead because he'll re-drone fast while terran's entire infrastructure is delayed. like i said before, if stephano was able to get a few more banelings for that last attack he woulda held + won that game...still think he shoulda sacrificed his natural to wait for more units But the build is an all-in, its the initial push that does enough damage to allow the second attack to be the killing blow. The intention was never to catch up in a macro game, the push did more than enough damage to secure the victory with the follow-up.
no it didn't, stephano could have easily held that attack if he had just a handful more banes which he could have had he known it was coming
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