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On February 01 2013 22:04 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 22:01 Flinch wrote:On February 01 2013 21:54 Awesomeness wrote:On February 01 2013 21:52 sitromit wrote: Is the "Stephano could win GSL" nonsense finally over now? Can we just call him the best foreigner and leave it at that? Can we do that AND stop the "Stephano is not code s level" nonsense? Now that would be great. Maybe if you tell me what he proved tonight that made him Code S level? 2-0ing Hack, a player who ISN'T Code S level? Going 1-4 against Innovation, being read like a book and demolished, a player who IS Code S level? IF Stephano makes it back to Code S then I'll consider him it, until then, no, he's just the best foreigner. We live in a strange world. Where not being of "Code S level" means you are in Code S. Truly, an age for the paradoxes.
Code S level must mean something else. I'm not sure yet though... maybe it means "a group of my favourite players that can bathe in my bias when i talk about them"
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On February 01 2013 22:06 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 22:05 FineAndDandy wrote:On February 01 2013 22:02 sadalsuud wrote:results so far (just for information) TvZ 16-28 36% ZvP 8-13 38% PvT 4-4 50% TERRAN 38% PROTOSS 58% ZERG 55% meh i'm sad for my fellow terrans!  Wow, Protoss are slaughtering zergs. Parting, Squirtle and MC are slaughtering zergs  There's a difference.
Those three are definitely not your average Protoss players. You can call them the Trinity of Auir or something creative at this point.
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Now that people can't over-hype Stephano they are over-hyping Wolf. Hes a great caster but he completely misread that last game (called a slight advantage for Stephano after losing 15 drones (because he had a third and Bogus didn't) while Apollo was talking about how behind Stephano was at the exact same time.
Fact is, he is passionate and entertaining but his analysis and understanding just isn't as high as that of Artosis or Apollo
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On February 01 2013 22:06 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 22:05 FineAndDandy wrote:On February 01 2013 22:02 sadalsuud wrote:results so far (just for information) TvZ 16-28 36% ZvP 8-13 38% PvT 4-4 50% TERRAN 38% PROTOSS 58% ZERG 55% meh i'm sad for my fellow terrans!  Wow, Protoss are slaughtering zergs. Parting, Squirtle and MC are slaughtering zergs  There's a difference.
Yeah it really is. With so many zerg players and just the elite of the protoss there won't be much resistence! ^^
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On February 01 2013 22:01 Flinch wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 21:54 Awesomeness wrote:On February 01 2013 21:52 sitromit wrote: Is the "Stephano could win GSL" nonsense finally over now? Can we just call him the best foreigner and leave it at that? Can we do that AND stop the "Stephano is not code s level" nonsense? Now that would be great. Maybe if you tell me what he proved tonight that made him Code S level? 2-0ing Hack, a player who ISN'T Code S level? Going 1-4 against Innovation, being read like a book and demolished, a player who IS Code S level? IF Stephano makes it back to Code S then I'll consider him it, until then, no, he's just the best foreigner.
Innovation is top 4 code S. Hack has been through several seasons of code S. Stop trying to find a way to justify your hate. It's just you don't like the bloke. But he doesnt give a rat's ass and he will be back in code S through code A, mark my words.
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On February 01 2013 22:06 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 22:03 SHODAN wrote:On February 01 2013 21:55 AxionSteel wrote:On February 01 2013 21:54 SHODAN wrote:On February 01 2013 21:47 vthree wrote:On February 01 2013 21:44 SHODAN wrote:Artosis mentioned something about swarmy mass raxx style builds in Brood War. A few season ago, MVP went for a 5 rax into 7 rax build vs Parting. Bogus did the same thing - attack fast, upgrade steadily, expand slowly and trade well. Stephano  GG Problem is that it is more of a surprise/gimmick build. All 3 races have ways to deal with it fairly easily if scouted. Terrans with bunkers into tanks. Protoss with sentries before getting colossi. Zerg with lots of lings and banes. It takes 7 banelings to kill 1 marauder with equal upgrades... Obviously you'd try and hit marines with them  Lings to clean up the Marauders. I don't get why people are calling Bogus' build an all-in or gimmick. It's not standard, but it's a solid style. If his first attack hadn't of done enough damage, I could see him throwing down a late 3rd CC, late factory, armory, then hitting a third attack. It's rather simple...because it relies on the opponent not scouting you for it to be successful...
Erm isn't this the case for most builds? lol...
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On February 01 2013 22:06 Bjarne wrote:Then you have to hope people stop hyping Leenock. Thought about that?? One second? ONE GSL just says nothing about the capability of a player.....
or MVP or [insert countless other names here]
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On February 01 2013 22:05 Vertigro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 22:01 Flinch wrote:On February 01 2013 21:54 Awesomeness wrote:On February 01 2013 21:52 sitromit wrote: Is the "Stephano could win GSL" nonsense finally over now? Can we just call him the best foreigner and leave it at that? Can we do that AND stop the "Stephano is not code s level" nonsense? Now that would be great. Maybe if you tell me what he proved tonight that made him Code S level? 2-0ing Hack, a player who ISN'T Code S level? Going 1-4 against Innovation, being read like a book and demolished, a player who IS Code S level? IF Stephano makes it back to Code S then I'll consider him it, until then, no, he's just the best foreigner. that's a little harsh? hack as far as i know qualified for code S fair and square? he deserved to be in that group, and whilst he was clearly one of the weaker 32 players, had still earn't his right to be there, also, I didn't see stephano getting "demolished" by innovation? I saw an innovation was was better prepared and superior in terms of tactical choice, but in terms of ability i think stephano held his own and more (see game 2 of the 2nd series)... everyone know's hypetrains are annoying, but anti-fan bias is just as irritating
Well said.
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On February 01 2013 22:06 Flinch wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 22:04 bittman wrote:On February 01 2013 22:01 Flinch wrote:On February 01 2013 21:54 Awesomeness wrote:On February 01 2013 21:52 sitromit wrote: Is the "Stephano could win GSL" nonsense finally over now? Can we just call him the best foreigner and leave it at that? Can we do that AND stop the "Stephano is not code s level" nonsense? Now that would be great. Maybe if you tell me what he proved tonight that made him Code S level? 2-0ing Hack, a player who ISN'T Code S level? Going 1-4 against Innovation, being read like a book and demolished, a player who IS Code S level? IF Stephano makes it back to Code S then I'll consider him it, until then, no, he's just the best foreigner. We live in a strange world. Where not being of "Code S level" means you are in Code S. Truly, an age for the paradoxes. HuK Code S level amirite? Hack is bad, get over it. Stephano is 1-4 against good players in Code S. "against good players in code s" Against 1 player who was ro4 last season lol ... haters never stop
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Man, post match GSL LR fan wars are the best.
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To anyone saying Stephano is not Code S-worthy: Code S has 32 players. 16 of them are eliminated after the first group stage, but 14 of those had a worse record than Stephano (though of course in other groups). So are those not worthy to be in Code S either? Really, we've been waiting for this day a long time, and it's disappointing to see Stephano loos. But in reality, there are a lot of good players, some of which no doubt have the potential to win it all, who get eliminated in he ro32 every season. I bet that if you check the history of the past GSL-winners, some of them had some completely unspectacular first seasons in GSL. So of course this is a sobering result, but I still believe the database is to small to judge his potential within GSL based on just 7 games, especially as he played only 2 players. Let's see how he does in Code A (and maybe up and downs), as well as take a look where Innovation finishes this season. Then it may be time to draw some conclusions. edit: I confused Hack and Innovation.
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On February 01 2013 22:05 Vertigro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 22:01 Flinch wrote:On February 01 2013 21:54 Awesomeness wrote:On February 01 2013 21:52 sitromit wrote: Is the "Stephano could win GSL" nonsense finally over now? Can we just call him the best foreigner and leave it at that? Can we do that AND stop the "Stephano is not code s level" nonsense? Now that would be great. Maybe if you tell me what he proved tonight that made him Code S level? 2-0ing Hack, a player who ISN'T Code S level? Going 1-4 against Innovation, being read like a book and demolished, a player who IS Code S level? IF Stephano makes it back to Code S then I'll consider him it, until then, no, he's just the best foreigner. that's a little harsh? hack as far as i know qualified for code S fair and square? he deserved to be in that group, and whilst he was clearly one of the weaker 32 players, had still earn't his right to be there, also, I didn't see stephano getting "demolished" by innovation? I saw an innovation was was better prepared and superior in terms of tactical choice, but in terms of ability i think stephano held his own and more (see game 2 of the 2nd series)... everyone know's hypetrains are annoying, but anti-fan bias is just as irritating
No, Stephano got 1-4'd. He won one game in 5, that is getting demolished. The 4 games Innovation won weren't even close. Stephano got STOMPED by Innovation, you can't twist that.
Hack also 2-1'd Jaedong to get into Code S, who is garbage TvZ despite what the fanboys want.
He's never gonna be in Code S again.
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On February 01 2013 22:07 Gladiator333 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 22:06 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 01 2013 22:05 FineAndDandy wrote:On February 01 2013 22:02 sadalsuud wrote:results so far (just for information) TvZ 16-28 36% ZvP 8-13 38% PvT 4-4 50% TERRAN 38% PROTOSS 58% ZERG 55% meh i'm sad for my fellow terrans!  Wow, Protoss are slaughtering zergs. Parting, Squirtle and MC are slaughtering zergs  There's a difference. Yeah it really is. With so many zerg players and just the elite of the protoss there won't be much resistence! ^^
Oh come on that's so appropriate for the theme of the Protoss race though isn't it?
A few valiant champions vs the swarm of the enemy? Those three are probably loving the fact that they're the only ones who seem capable of winning against the race that seems to have vexed the rest of their race.
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On February 01 2013 22:07 zefreak wrote: Now that people can't over-hype Stephano they are over-hyping Wolf. Hes a great caster but he completely misread that last game (called a slight advantage for Stephano after losing 15 drones (because he had a third and Bogus didn't) while Apollo was talking about how behind Stephano was at the exact same time.
Fact is, he is passionate and entertaining but his analysis and understanding just isn't as high as that of Artosis or Apollo He actually said that if innovation moved out for another timing attack stephano would be in trouble lol.
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On February 01 2013 22:06 Flinch wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 22:04 bittman wrote:On February 01 2013 22:01 Flinch wrote:On February 01 2013 21:54 Awesomeness wrote:On February 01 2013 21:52 sitromit wrote: Is the "Stephano could win GSL" nonsense finally over now? Can we just call him the best foreigner and leave it at that? Can we do that AND stop the "Stephano is not code s level" nonsense? Now that would be great. Maybe if you tell me what he proved tonight that made him Code S level? 2-0ing Hack, a player who ISN'T Code S level? Going 1-4 against Innovation, being read like a book and demolished, a player who IS Code S level? IF Stephano makes it back to Code S then I'll consider him it, until then, no, he's just the best foreigner. We live in a strange world. Where not being of "Code S level" means you are in Code S. Truly, an age for the paradoxes. HuK Code S level amirite? Hack is bad, get over it. Stephano is 1-4 against good players in Code S. And recently 6-0 against a 4 times GSL winner, a 2 times GSL winner and a multiple runner-up/MLG winner. Funny how you can do a lot of things with numbers.
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Hack was Ro16 last season. He's Code S level. Enough.
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Big thanks to Wolf for a most amazing night of solo casting.
Hats off to you, Lone Wolf!
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On February 01 2013 22:08 Dodgin wrote:Man, post match GSL LR fan wars are the best. 
Yeah, I sense the term "Online Hooligan" well emerge from these LR threads.
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Stephano is good at late games and macro, but he needs to pay more attention to little details like top Koreans. This will need a lot of practice.
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