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On February 01 2013 21:47 AxionSteel wrote:
Wolf is better than Artosis imo. He's far less biased, when I listen to Artosis cast a ZvT, it's 80% about zerg, what they need to do to get the win etc. And as a solo caster, Wolf does an impeccable job.
wolf's casting tonight was the best casting i've heard from any other korean tournament cast i've heard so far
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Stephano does not look like code S material yet
GG's
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On February 01 2013 21:46 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 21:43 decado90 wrote:On February 01 2013 21:42 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 01 2013 21:40 derpface wrote:On February 01 2013 21:37 Weryeery wrote:
Terran hard race right? lol... just admit Bogus is more skilled than Stephano. They were a good match for each other. I dont want to jump to any conclusions about who's more skilled by just one series. Innovation made the Semis last season and beat a lot of top Zergs to get there. he's definitely quality. But Stephano stuck right there with him and in the same night also outclassed Hack. He's a top Zerg even if his haters don't want to admit it. He got put in a tough group and barely didnt make it out. No harm in that, better players than him have said the same thing. Code S is tough and Stephano just learned that firsthand. Are you serious dude? Bogus is so much better than Stephano. He actually has a chance to win the GSL for starters. Dead serious. Stephano is a superior macro player in general IMO but Innovation beat him using superior decision making and early game tactics. A lot of that has to do with a probable lack of preparation on Stephano's part which is normal considering that GSL is much different than any of the marathon foreigner events he's used to playing. I think given time to adjust more to the way GSL is played as well as some better scouting I think Stephano could take him in a long series. His game number 2 was about as one sided as a TvZ can possibly be which tells me that if Innovation doesn't manage to secure an early advantage somehow that Stephano will crush him with his superior late game. It's a normal dynamic between players of similar skill level.
I think Stephano and Bogus' macro play are on a similar level. But the game gives the advantage to macro zergs over macro terrans right now. The terrans basically needs to stifle the zerg's eco before it gets out of hand.
What you describe as the TvZ is true for all TvZs now. Terrans that have beat Zergs in this GSL have all done damage in the early/mid game except for Noblesse in the Nestea game. And we know what happened in that one.
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On February 01 2013 21:42 jackdaleaper wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 21:38 Dotq wrote:On February 01 2013 21:37 Shadowelock wrote:
Wow, Innovation so impressive!
Whats impressive? Rolling the dice on not getting scouted? One fucking ling infront of that base... Come on, I'm a stephano fan but Innovation deserves credit for that win. The build choice for the game was ballsy considering what was on the line. His micro (those splits and target firing!) was awesome.
Its just fucking sad to see a player of innovations caliber turn to these all ins when he has the potential as shown in game 1 to play a long macro game.
Do a allin every now and then, but cheesing 3 out of 5 games is sad to see.
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On February 01 2013 21:46 liberate71 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 21:45 duckmaster wrote:On February 01 2013 21:44 liberate71 wrote:On February 01 2013 21:42 Raiquer wrote:
Naniwa made it to the Round of 8 in GSL Code S TWICE.
Stephano lost in the Round of 32 GSL Code S. Wasn't Naniwa like 0-10 in Code A before the season he got into Round of 8? So? He improved. No one is born a champion. Uhh... I think youre missing the point.
Most of those games was against zerg. Not much of a point.
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Alright. I'm outta here.
One of the funniest things I have read in this LR-thread today was definitely the question if Shellshock1122 is a bot, and Fionn's observation about Bogus after their first series:
Innovation drinking pink Vitamin water as an epic diss ceremony to Stephano's pink hair
you're so subtle, bogus.
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On February 01 2013 21:45 Vertigro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 21:44 LimitSEA wrote:On February 01 2013 21:43 Vertigro wrote:On February 01 2013 21:42 Raiquer wrote:
Naniwa made it to the Round of 8 in GSL Code S TWICE.
Stephano lost in the Round of 32 GSL Code S. and it only took naniwa how long? Well I mean.. He did it before Stephano. I don't really see your point. and jinro got to RO4 twice before naniwa? where are we going with this?
Grrrr... won a Starleague!
i win?!
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On February 01 2013 21:48 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 21:44 TheKefka wrote:On February 01 2013 21:44 Glubschauge wrote:On February 01 2013 21:43 decado90 wrote:On February 01 2013 21:42 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 01 2013 21:40 derpface wrote:On February 01 2013 21:37 Weryeery wrote:
Terran hard race right? lol... just admit Bogus is more skilled than Stephano. They were a good match for each other. I dont want to jump to any conclusions about who's more skilled by just one series. Innovation made the Semis last season and beat a lot of top Zergs to get there. he's definitely quality. But Stephano stuck right there with him and in the same night also outclassed Hack. He's a top Zerg even if his haters don't want to admit it. He got put in a tough group and barely didnt make it out. No harm in that, better players than him have said the same thing. Code S is tough and Stephano just learned that firsthand. Are you serious dude? Bogus is so much better than Stephano. He actually has a chance to win the GSL for starters. no uuuh,yes? Definitely yes, wouldn't be surprised at all actually. And vindicare, it was 2 series not one. Stephano went 1-4 against Bogus
if he is lucky he gets 3rd place in his ro16 group
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On February 01 2013 21:46 Shellshock1122 wrote:
BBoongBBoong is the darkhorse GSL champ that will make us all forget about jjakji, seed, and sniper
Hah, people will never forget about Sniper.
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On February 01 2013 21:48 Saber_Rider wrote:
All this wine about all-inning...a great player does that from time to time! It's such a shame that a lot of people seems to think all in=bad player...at least all in games aren't as boring as turtle ones
Right, good point.
But you have now idea what happens in chats an threads if HuK cheeses....shitstorm like a hurricane incoming. And noone explains it like you did.
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On February 01 2013 21:40 pmp10 wrote:
That's ironic.
After enlarged up&downs and 1st round of code S all of Flash/JD/Grubby/Huk/Stephano landed in code A.
Gom can't be happy about that.
Flash wasnt really good, JD neither; give them time i would say.
Grubby is just bad, he gonna fall out of Code A anyway, Huk too.
Stephano is quite good, maybe he can stay in Code S.
All in all i think that GomTV protects us from subpar games and i am very thankful for that. Foreigners / Fan favourites should get seeded in foreign events; GSL should be for players who deserve it.
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On February 01 2013 21:49 JOJOsc2news wrote:Alright. I'm outta here. One of the funniest things I have read in this LR today was definitely the question if Shellshock1122 is a bot, and Fionn's observation about Bogus after their first series: Show nested quote +Innovation drinking pink Vitamin water as an epic diss ceremony to Stephano's pink hair
you're so subtle, bogus.
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On February 01 2013 21:46 Nomzter wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 21:42 Raiquer wrote:
Naniwa made it to the Round of 8 in GSL Code S TWICE.
Stephano lost in the Round of 32 GSL Code S. 2012 2013
Well Naniwa was way less predictable, as I would imagine Koreans to study Stephanos play while thinking Naniwa was some sort of walkover win.
The surprise factor and also Naniwas massive will to suceed at that time brought him that far, still I would imagine Naniwa to sit there at home right now with a big grin on his face.
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On February 01 2013 21:34 RiZu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 21:33 vthree wrote:On February 01 2013 21:32 RiZu wrote:
If Stephano win, Soulkey will probably get his 4 zergs group. Well, if Stephano gets picked first, I doubt he will pick a zerg. Haha Life will pick Soulkey then he will pick Stephano haha.
When I read this I pictured Megamind whirling his fingers and giving a maniacal laugh
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Do we know if the group selection order is based off the end points of 2012? I cant remember but I believe that's how they did it in S1 2012? (points from 2011)
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On February 01 2013 21:46 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 21:43 decado90 wrote:On February 01 2013 21:42 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 01 2013 21:40 derpface wrote:On February 01 2013 21:37 Weryeery wrote:
Terran hard race right? lol... just admit Bogus is more skilled than Stephano. They were a good match for each other. I dont want to jump to any conclusions about who's more skilled by just one series. Innovation made the Semis last season and beat a lot of top Zergs to get there. he's definitely quality. But Stephano stuck right there with him and in the same night also outclassed Hack. He's a top Zerg even if his haters don't want to admit it. He got put in a tough group and barely didnt make it out. No harm in that, better players than him have said the same thing. Code S is tough and Stephano just learned that firsthand. Are you serious dude? Bogus is so much better than Stephano. He actually has a chance to win the GSL for starters. Dead serious. Stephano is a superior macro player in general IMO but Innovation beat him using superior decision making and early game tactics. A lot of that has to do with a probable lack of preparation on Stephano's part which is normal considering that GSL is much different than any of the marathon foreigner events he's used to playing. I think given time to adjust more to the way GSL is played as well as some better scouting I think Stephano could take him in a long series. His game number 2 was about as one sided as a TvZ can possibly be which tells me that if Innovation doesn't manage to secure an early advantage somehow that Stephano will crush him with his superior late game. It's a normal dynamic between players of similar skill level.
His lategame skills aren't that superior, it just happens that akilon flats is utterly zerg favored in the current creepspread metagame. Bogus did well on whirlwind, but yeah Stephano would have a much better chance the next time he participates in code S because he won't overthink his bo3 like the first one vs Bogus, and prepare a bit better scouting wise.
Unfortunately for him he has no good terran practice partner now that TaeJa is injured so he can't prepare that well against these weird 2 bases pushes. (except the ling in front of course, but he clearly thought his overlord+xel'naga was enough when it was not)
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On February 01 2013 21:49 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 21:45 Vertigro wrote:On February 01 2013 21:44 LimitSEA wrote:On February 01 2013 21:43 Vertigro wrote:On February 01 2013 21:42 Raiquer wrote:
Naniwa made it to the Round of 8 in GSL Code S TWICE.
Stephano lost in the Round of 32 GSL Code S. and it only took naniwa how long? Well I mean.. He did it before Stephano. I don't really see your point. and jinro got to RO4 twice before naniwa? where are we going with this? Grrrr... won a Starleague! i win?!
you've won the game!
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As a Mvp fan I know it sucks your favorite player drops out in the first round, but saying Innovation didn't deserve ro16 is stupid. He played both Proleague and had to prepare for his GSL group. I am sure he played like 50-60 games per day... give the guy some credit.
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On February 01 2013 21:49 Daswollvieh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 21:46 Shellshock1122 wrote:
BBoongBBoong is the darkhorse GSL champ that will make us all forget about jjakji, seed, and sniper Hah, people will never forget about Sniper.
I'll never forget the forgetable champions.
Jjakji so depressing though. Lost to an unknown terran in qualifiers. At least Seed returned =D
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On February 01 2013 21:48 Sejanus wrote:Why would you say that?
I wouldn't. But apparently "8 other zergs got out of their tough groups" which apparently justifies the haters.
Yet Leenock didnt make it out either.
If were all honest and not riding our emotional surfboards. Stephano has aspects of his game to improve no doubt, and thinking he'd make Ro16 is probably ambitious. But he played pretty damn well today, especially in G4 against innovation and against Hack.
He's definitely deserving of the seed, regardless of whether he got out or not - he's a top quality player.
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