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Cattlecruiser
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
February 01 2013 12:54 GMT
#3381
This is Bomber's GSL!
ThomasR
Profile Joined January 2012
764 Posts
February 01 2013 12:54 GMT
#3382
On February 01 2013 21:52 sitromit wrote:
Is the "Stephano could win GSL" nonsense finally over now? Can we just call him the best foreigner and leave it at that?

well if he puts more effort into scouting he'd have a much better chance
i really like how he's able to set up flanks and get good engagements (unlike nestea yesterday)
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
February 01 2013 12:54 GMT
#3383
On February 01 2013 21:52 sitromit wrote:
Is the "Stephano could win GSL" nonsense finally over now? Can we just call him the best foreigner and leave it at that?


Well, I don't know... There's the whole unofficial world champion thing. We could use the same method for foreigners, and the last person to defeat Stephano was IdrA. So, it's probably IdrA that's the best foreigner at the moment.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
February 01 2013 12:54 GMT
#3384
On February 01 2013 21:52 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 21:49 vthree wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:46 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:43 decado90 wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:42 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:40 derpface wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:37 Weryeery wrote:
Terran hard race right?


lol... just admit Bogus is more skilled than Stephano.


They were a good match for each other. I dont want to jump to any conclusions about who's more skilled by just one series.

Innovation made the Semis last season and beat a lot of top Zergs to get there. he's definitely quality.

But Stephano stuck right there with him and in the same night also outclassed Hack. He's a top Zerg even if his haters don't want to admit it. He got put in a tough group and barely didnt make it out. No harm in that, better players than him have said the same thing. Code S is tough and Stephano just learned that firsthand.


Are you serious dude? Bogus is so much better than Stephano. He actually has a chance to win the GSL for starters.


Dead serious.

Stephano is a superior macro player in general IMO but Innovation beat him using superior decision making and early game tactics. A lot of that has to do with a probable lack of preparation on Stephano's part which is normal considering that GSL is much different than any of the marathon foreigner events he's used to playing.

I think given time to adjust more to the way GSL is played as well as some better scouting I think Stephano could take him in a long series. His game number 2 was about as one sided as a TvZ can possibly be which tells me that if Innovation doesn't manage to secure an early advantage somehow that Stephano will crush him with his superior late game.

It's a normal dynamic between players of similar skill level.



I think Stephano and Bogus' macro play are on a similar level. But the game gives the advantage to macro zergs over macro terrans right now. The terrans basically needs to stifle the zerg's eco before it gets out of hand.


Did you see Bomber's games by chance?

I mean in general there's definitely an advantage for Zergs in the later game if they aren't harassed or pressured that's obvious sure, but game 2 was more than just the Zerg late game advantage. Stephano beat Innovation in virtually every catergory. Superior macro, superior multitasking, superior army movement and scouting, superior compositions, unbelievable creep spread that was almost impossible to check.

I mean yea Zerg has a nice late game advantage but I'd love to see Stephano try and trounce Bomber or Gumiho the way he slaughtered Innovation in game 2. Their late game play is far superior IMO.


Did you not watch their first series? They both took a " macro game " off each other.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
February 01 2013 12:54 GMT
#3385
On February 01 2013 21:53 Zane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 21:52 Laryleprakon wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:51 FineAndDandy wrote:
Jinro still has the best foreign achievement in GSL?


Yes.

By a large margin.


I disagree. Obviously White-Ra has the best one.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
February 01 2013 12:55 GMT
#3386
I feel terrible now. I love Stephano and I hate those cheesy builds. And it's such a shame Stephano didn't put one ling to cover the attack path. I'm pretty sure he would have some good chances to hold.
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
February 01 2013 12:55 GMT
#3387
On February 01 2013 21:54 SHODAN wrote:
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On February 01 2013 21:47 vthree wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:44 SHODAN wrote:
Artosis mentioned something about swarmy mass raxx style builds in Brood War. A few season ago, MVP went for a 5 rax into 7 rax build vs Parting. Bogus did the same thing - attack fast, upgrade steadily, expand slowly and trade well. Stephano GG


Problem is that it is more of a surprise/gimmick build. All 3 races have ways to deal with it fairly easily if scouted. Terrans with bunkers into tanks. Protoss with sentries before getting colossi. Zerg with lots of lings and banes.


It takes 7 banelings to kill 1 marauder with equal upgrades...

thats why you usually want to hit marines with banes and let zerglings do the rest
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Garfailed
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands409 Posts
February 01 2013 12:55 GMT
#3388
well, that was dissapointing.
I hope nobody overhypes stephano anymore. He is a good foreigner, but stop the ''He'll own everybody!'' mentality.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
February 01 2013 12:55 GMT
#3389
On February 01 2013 21:54 SHODAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 21:47 vthree wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:44 SHODAN wrote:
Artosis mentioned something about swarmy mass raxx style builds in Brood War. A few season ago, MVP went for a 5 rax into 7 rax build vs Parting. Bogus did the same thing - attack fast, upgrade steadily, expand slowly and trade well. Stephano GG


Problem is that it is more of a surprise/gimmick build. All 3 races have ways to deal with it fairly easily if scouted. Terrans with bunkers into tanks. Protoss with sentries before getting colossi. Zerg with lots of lings and banes.


It takes 7 banelings to kill 1 marauder with equal upgrades...

Obviously you'd try and hit marines with them Lings to clean up the Marauders.
warmus
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom196 Posts
February 01 2013 12:55 GMT
#3390
On February 01 2013 21:40 Msr wrote:
well i was wrong bogus used to be much better, despite winning he still does not deserve to be in the round of 16 and will be embarrassed by whoever picks him first if he does not fix everything but his macro. Stephanos poor scouting made him lose to a far inferior player...


More, more please. The fanboy tears taste so good
luke3920
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom182 Posts
February 01 2013 12:55 GMT
#3391
On February 01 2013 21:54 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 21:53 Zane wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:52 Laryleprakon wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:51 FineAndDandy wrote:
Jinro still has the best foreign achievement in GSL?


Yes.

By a large margin.


I disagree. Obviously White-Ra has the best one.


he beat MC at his prime!
Not write me more about balance, or next time i kick you ass
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
February 01 2013 12:55 GMT
#3392
On February 01 2013 21:54 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 21:53 Zane wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:52 Laryleprakon wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:51 FineAndDandy wrote:
Jinro still has the best foreign achievement in GSL?


Yes.

By a large margin.


I disagree. Obviously White-Ra has the best one.

I liked Dimaga's 6pool more.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
February 01 2013 12:55 GMT
#3393
On February 01 2013 21:54 Awesomeness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 21:52 sitromit wrote:
Is the "Stephano could win GSL" nonsense finally over now? Can we just call him the best foreigner and leave it at that?


Can we do that AND stop the "Stephano is not code s level" nonsense? Now that would be great.


Office space quote ^^ That would be great...
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 01 2013 12:56 GMT
#3394
On February 01 2013 21:53 Zane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 21:52 Laryleprakon wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:51 FineAndDandy wrote:
Jinro still has the best foreign achievement in GSL?


Yes.

By a large margin.

Eh not really. Jinro made 2 semi-finals. Naniwa made 2 quarter finals when the competition was much much harder.
luke3920
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom182 Posts
February 01 2013 12:56 GMT
#3395
On February 01 2013 21:55 samurai80 wrote:
I feel terrible now. I love Stephano and I hate those cheesy builds. And it's such a shame Stephano didn't put one ling to cover the attack path. I'm pretty sure he would have some good chances to hold.


Sorry but GSL is all about preparation, and it's no coincidence that the Koreans cheesed both Huk and Stephano. It works.
Not write me more about balance, or next time i kick you ass
Bam Lee
Profile Joined June 2012
2336 Posts
February 01 2013 12:57 GMT
#3396
On February 01 2013 21:54 ThomasR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 21:52 sitromit wrote:
Is the "Stephano could win GSL" nonsense finally over now? Can we just call him the best foreigner and leave it at that?

well if he puts more effort into scouting he'd have a much better chance
i really like how he's able to set up flanks and get good engagements (unlike nestea yesterday)


If we look at the flaws ov every player and say how he could put more effort into it we could call everybody a potential gsl champion.....
This was stephanos chance to show what he is capable of in the gsl and he didnt advance. I guess the whole stephano wins gsl thing is over now
synaptik
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada644 Posts
February 01 2013 12:57 GMT
#3397
On February 01 2013 19:33 synaptik wrote:
fantastic scheduling synergy between SPL and GSL tonight.

i can watch stephano lose first match, a bit of drg, switch to SPL to watch egtl lose, then probably switch back in time for stephano to be knocked out of code s



As i predicted.

had a great time tonight.
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
February 01 2013 12:57 GMT
#3398
On February 01 2013 21:56 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 21:53 Zane wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:52 Laryleprakon wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:51 FineAndDandy wrote:
Jinro still has the best foreign achievement in GSL?


Yes.

By a large margin.

Eh not really. Jinro made 2 semi-finals. Naniwa made 2 quarter finals when the competition was much much harder.

Stephano and HuK made ro32 when competition was much much harder than Naniwa's runs.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
February 01 2013 12:57 GMT
#3399
On February 01 2013 21:44 Glubschauge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 21:43 decado90 wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:42 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:40 derpface wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:37 Weryeery wrote:
Terran hard race right?


lol... just admit Bogus is more skilled than Stephano.


They were a good match for each other. I dont want to jump to any conclusions about who's more skilled by just one series.

Innovation made the Semis last season and beat a lot of top Zergs to get there. he's definitely quality.

But Stephano stuck right there with him and in the same night also outclassed Hack. He's a top Zerg even if his haters don't want to admit it. He got put in a tough group and barely didnt make it out. No harm in that, better players than him have said the same thing. Code S is tough and Stephano just learned that firsthand.


Are you serious dude? Bogus is so much better than Stephano. He actually has a chance to win the GSL for starters.


no


why not ? he was top4 last season too
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
luke3920
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom182 Posts
February 01 2013 12:58 GMT
#3400
On February 01 2013 21:55 warmus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 21:40 Msr wrote:
well i was wrong bogus used to be much better, despite winning he still does not deserve to be in the round of 16 and will be embarrassed by whoever picks him first if he does not fix everything but his macro. Stephanos poor scouting made him lose to a far inferior player...


More, more please. The fanboy tears taste so good


Poor scouting is the hallmark of a superior player amirite?
Not write me more about balance, or next time i kick you ass
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