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United States97277 Posts
On January 28 2013 21:29 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2013 21:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:On January 28 2013 21:24 sitromit wrote:On January 28 2013 21:04 thekaas wrote:On January 28 2013 21:00 NotoriousBig wrote:
Why isn´t Stephano listed, did he already leave korea? Stephano is preparing for Code S, so he wasn't in the lineup today. If he doesn't do well after all that preparation, it will be really embarrassing for him. I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't some backlash from the community. People will probably be upset. Geez, I hope not. Especially since I don't see Stephano doing well in GSL
Just imagine it though. There are people who legitimately believe EGTL probably would have beaten STX last match if Stephano had come out as ace instead of Revival (not saying he couldn't have. who knows?). Then you have this match where it is a reasonable statement to say he should have played instead of one of the other EGTL guys today. If you stick by the assumption that he didn't play this week because of Code S and then he fails in Code S, it was pretty much all for nothing and people are going to be disappointed and upset. I think he has a shot of getting out of his Ro32 group probably 2nd place behind DRG although Innovation is starting to look better again and Hack has the skills to pull it off.
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On January 28 2013 21:03 ppshchik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2013 20:58 boxerfred wrote:
The more time goes on, I think that the EG curse consists of the following:
Player is good -> EG buys player -> player not that good anymore due to EG's not-so-good training/coaching staff -> player gets worse than before, ppl start talking about "EG curse". That leads to EG buying new ppl (which would be Jaedong and Revival at this point in time). Let's wait another year to see them fall into another state of meaningless being, just as JYP, Puma and HuK did. I mean, srsly, who is excited for one of them going Code S, and seriously expecting one of them to go for a code S round of 8/4/finals? Who does expect JYP to win a Dreamhack (just to mention poorer standards), who expects Puma to win a IEM, who expects HuK to win a MLG? Noone would do this. Of course one would root and cheer for them, but really expecting ppl to be first is like expecting Grubby to become multiple Code S champ. Lol. EG buys good players, they don't breed them. Players EG bought since SC2's release: Puma, JYP, HuK, Thorzain, Stephano, Jaedong, Revival. Players EG trained since SC2's release: IdrA, Machine, Incontrol, Demuslim, Lzgamer See the difference?
i could do the same with most teams and get the same results, EG's sc2 team was created a long time ago, most players from that era have become much worse
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I can't help but think about Oz times when Jaedong was always winning and all his teammates losing.
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On January 28 2013 21:24 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2013 21:04 thekaas wrote:On January 28 2013 21:00 NotoriousBig wrote:
Why isn´t Stephano listed, did he already leave korea? Stephano is preparing for Code S, so he wasn't in the lineup today. If he doesn't do well after all that preparation, it will be really embarrassing for him.
Stephano himself thought he was going to play today (he said it on stream) .
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On January 28 2013 21:33 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2013 21:29 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 28 2013 21:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:On January 28 2013 21:24 sitromit wrote:On January 28 2013 21:04 thekaas wrote:On January 28 2013 21:00 NotoriousBig wrote:
Why isn´t Stephano listed, did he already leave korea? Stephano is preparing for Code S, so he wasn't in the lineup today. If he doesn't do well after all that preparation, it will be really embarrassing for him. I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't some backlash from the community. People will probably be upset. Geez, I hope not. Especially since I don't see Stephano doing well in GSL Just imagine it though. There are people who legitimately believe EGTL probably would have beaten STX last match if Stephano had come out as ace instead of Revival (not saying he couldn't have. who knows?). Then you have this match where it is a reasonable statement to say he should have played instead of one of the other EGTL guys today. If you stick by the assumption that he didn't play this week because of Code S and then he fails in Code S, it was pretty much all for nothing and people are going to be disappointed and upset. I think he has a shot of getting out of his Ro32 group probably 2nd place behind DRG although Innovation is starting to look better again and Hack has the skills to pull it off.
Yeah the argument is certainly gonna be made but it's disregarding all the pressure on Stephano. There's probably more hype about him being in Code S than any other player ever. So I'm kinda thinking that this isn't 100% EG preventing him from being played but rather himself. Stephano always acts like he doesn't care but it's been said time and time again that he actually does and that he DOES get nervous and feels the pressure. If he doesn't perform in Code S, well. Too bad I guess. But it's Code S, better players than Stephano have been benched and lost in GSL later.
Priorities matter a lot and if Stephano's priority is Code S then people should accept that without him having to justify it by winning his group or smth
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So what happened to Huk?? He is too bad to play or what? he isn't even in the roster lol
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On January 28 2013 21:41 GunSec wrote:
So what happened to Huk?? He is too bad to play or what? he isn't even in the roster lol
He's the 3rd best protoss on the team. Unless HerO or JYP can't play for some reason like Stephano and TaeJa, we probably wont be seeing Huk unless they decide to use 3 toss in their lineup
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I don't get the people's thought when they expect HuK to be in a roster of a team that is playing korean A-teamers. HuK is good for foreign competition, and even there he is no favourite. Maybe a fan favourite. For whatever.
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On January 28 2013 21:39 Swiipii wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2013 21:24 sitromit wrote:On January 28 2013 21:04 thekaas wrote:On January 28 2013 21:00 NotoriousBig wrote:
Why isn´t Stephano listed, did he already leave korea? Stephano is preparing for Code S, so he wasn't in the lineup today. If he doesn't do well after all that preparation, it will be really embarrassing for him. Stephano himself thought he was going to play today (he said it on stream) .
Weren't today's line-ups announced a week ago? How does he not know that he isn't in the line-up?
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On January 28 2013 21:50 boxerfred wrote:
I don't get the people's thought when they expect HuK to be in a roster of a team that is playing korean A-teamers. HuK is good for foreign competition, and even there he is no favourite. Maybe a fan favourite. For whatever.
Huk got into Code S through the up/down matches in a season with 5 total Protoss in code S. To me that makes him a good player. He didn't do well in Code S, but the competition there is steep, so finishing in 25-32 place in that tournament is still very good.
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On January 28 2013 21:50 boxerfred wrote:
I don't get the people's thought when they expect HuK to be in a roster of a team that is playing korean A-teamers. HuK is good for foreign competition, and even there he is no favourite. Maybe a fan favourite. For whatever.
He might have a better chance than Zenio or Puma, to be honest. At least his 8 gates sometimes work.
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On January 28 2013 21:55 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2013 21:39 Swiipii wrote:On January 28 2013 21:24 sitromit wrote:On January 28 2013 21:04 thekaas wrote:On January 28 2013 21:00 NotoriousBig wrote:
Why isn´t Stephano listed, did he already leave korea? Stephano is preparing for Code S, so he wasn't in the lineup today. If he doesn't do well after all that preparation, it will be really embarrassing for him. Stephano himself thought he was going to play today (he said it on stream) . Weren't today's line-ups announced a week ago? How does he not know that he isn't in the line-up?
Yeah that's what I thought too, seems weird. Maybe he had to play some online tournament like IPTL? These games are often played in advance and casted from replays
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As long as JD wins it's all fine. Why Zenio got to play (again) is still something I'll never understand.
He really doesn't play well at all.
No ThorZain this time either  I hope they will bring him out for HoTS.
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That Revival game... speechless. Puma Revival Zenio, who makes that calls ? Neo Bifrost, that map has like 80% cheese ratio, it's 100% vs EGTL, everyone cheeses them there, why wouldn't you emphasize scouting the most obvious place ? I didn't expect them to advance into play-offs, I was skeptic from the beginning, but at least put up a decent fight...
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On January 28 2013 21:55 blackbrrd wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2013 21:50 boxerfred wrote:
I don't get the people's thought when they expect HuK to be in a roster of a team that is playing korean A-teamers. HuK is good for foreign competition, and even there he is no favourite. Maybe a fan favourite. For whatever. Huk got into Code S through the up/down matches in a season with 5 total Protoss in code S. To me that makes him a good player. He didn't do well in Code S, but the competition there is steep, so finishing in 25-32 place in that tournament is still very good.
True, but why did he play the UaD's? Because of a seed. A seed basically says, "Hey, we think you are so good that you do not have to trough code B or even code A to qualify for code S. You can join right into the UaD's and try your Code S qualification." A seed is a free chance to prove yourself worthy.
So, what HuK did: he made his way through the group that was in general seen as the "weakest" group that there is. Although that still makes it a hard group, that is no that big of an achievement. Now, one can see it as "He is among the 32 best players in the world", just as you did. Or one can see it as "He's so lucky to get a free seed, and kinda lucky to make it into code S. But when it started being serious (Ro32...), he failed and dropped."
I see HuK at the same level as e.g. TLO. Of course, no weak player, and if he is on top of his game, he can beat many, many pros. But he is no more a name to fear in the pro scene. On the contrary. We're all talking about foreigners vs. koreans lately, and if we send HuK as a top foreigner vs. top koreans, then we have to admin that foreigners will never beat koreans. Not on that level.
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One day we may glimpse at:
- Taeja
- Hero
- Stephano
- Jaedong
- Revival
And it shall be magnificent.
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On January 28 2013 21:55 blackbrrd wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2013 21:50 boxerfred wrote:
I don't get the people's thought when they expect HuK to be in a roster of a team that is playing korean A-teamers. HuK is good for foreign competition, and even there he is no favourite. Maybe a fan favourite. For whatever. Huk got into Code S through the up/down matches in a season with 5 total Protoss in code S. To me that makes him a good player. He didn't do well in Code S, but the competition there is steep, so finishing in 25-32 place in that tournament is still very good.
Yeah no
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But to be honest, EG-TL is pretty trash now and the coach needs to provide some insightful or motivating coach-talk, they are very far behind the leaders and I think the players have almost surrendered that's why they don't use their best players.
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To me, it's not that EG-TL's players are bad. It's that they're not used to Proleague. I see them coming out to play the most standard SC2 they can, with the belief their macro is better or good enough. That, or they do some kind of cheesy all in which is usually executed extremely poorly (see: Zenio vs Bogus).
This format isn't about who is the better player, who would win in a best of 5 or who would place higher in a weekend tournament, as I would think nearly all of EG-TL's lineup would place higher than most of STX's at an MLG or IPL etc. But it's about winning one game. Jaedong does it because he's used to Proleague, the others aren't.
It will take time, but I think that's where they need to be coached. Towards playing two types of Starcraft - regular Starcraft, and Proleague Starcraft.
The Kespa players have been blank slates just to understand Proleague Starcraft, and that's why they look so superior to EG-TL in non winner's league format.
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