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Maloreon
Profile Joined May 2012
United States911 Posts
December 17 2012 08:21 GMT
#1661
On December 17 2012 17:19 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 17:19 xAdra wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:17 Skelith wrote:
f#435 yeah!!! kick that gimmick protoss out!

I'm sure we would much rather watch gimmick protosses or terrans as opposed to the boring-as-watching-paint-peeling, turtle into autowin composition zergs.

good thing leenock isn't that zerg


Aye, anyone who thinks Leenock is boring or anything like other Zergs is just seriously jaded... badly.
Leenock, Gumiho, Life, Flash, Parting, Scarlett
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
December 17 2012 08:21 GMT
#1662
What time do the games continue?
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-17 08:21:33
December 17 2012 08:21 GMT
#1663
On December 17 2012 17:21 sitromit wrote:
What time do the games continue?

50 mins!
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
December 17 2012 08:21 GMT
#1664
In about 50 minutes.
jjakji fan
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
December 17 2012 08:21 GMT
#1665
just came in, my poor mvp , at least I get to watch flashu
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
December 17 2012 08:21 GMT
#1666
On December 17 2012 17:20 Maloreon wrote:
Leenock proving that he does NOT like to lose to the same build twice. He lost to Parting with this exact build on this exact map in this position as well, and he stomps it this time. I missed it, did he scout it coming with overlord or just sniff it out?


He did not know for sure (he started a 4th). BUT he did have a ling in the pathway and knew the push was coming when he saw the probe.
xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
December 17 2012 08:21 GMT
#1667
On December 17 2012 17:19 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 17:19 xAdra wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:17 Skelith wrote:
f#435 yeah!!! kick that gimmick protoss out!

I'm sure we would much rather watch gimmick protosses or terrans as opposed to the boring-as-watching-paint-peeling, turtle into autowin composition zergs.

good thing leenock isn't that zerg

Yes and no. I don't mind Leenock in the early-mid games at all. His lategame will inevitably always be infestor-bl though, in which case I will just switch off the gomplayer, and wait for the next zergless matchup.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 17 2012 08:22 GMT
#1668
leenock remains unofficial world champ
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 17 2012 08:23 GMT
#1669
On December 17 2012 17:21 xAdra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 17:19 opterown wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:19 xAdra wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:17 Skelith wrote:
f#435 yeah!!! kick that gimmick protoss out!

I'm sure we would much rather watch gimmick protosses or terrans as opposed to the boring-as-watching-paint-peeling, turtle into autowin composition zergs.

good thing leenock isn't that zerg

Yes and no. I don't mind Leenock in the early-mid games at all. His lategame will inevitably always be infestor-bl though, in which case I will just switch off the gomplayer, and wait for the next zergless matchup.

how is that so different from, say, protoss whose lategame will be mothership-archon-collosus? or terran with MMMVG? it's the composition which works, we can't expect leenock to go mass hydra or something since that's just dumb lol.
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TL+ Member
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
December 17 2012 08:24 GMT
#1670
On December 17 2012 17:21 xAdra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 17:19 opterown wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:19 xAdra wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:17 Skelith wrote:
f#435 yeah!!! kick that gimmick protoss out!

I'm sure we would much rather watch gimmick protosses or terrans as opposed to the boring-as-watching-paint-peeling, turtle into autowin composition zergs.

good thing leenock isn't that zerg

Yes and no. I don't mind Leenock in the early-mid games at all. His lategame will inevitably always be infestor-bl though, in which case I will just switch off the gomplayer, and wait for the next zergless matchup.


He still actually tries to play early-mid game builds. So many zergs just do the turlte infestorbrood. Think Leenock never gets enough credit for trying other stuff. in the 6 matches he played vs toss today he opened in 4 different ways.
리노크 👑
xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
December 17 2012 08:24 GMT
#1671
On December 17 2012 17:23 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 17:21 xAdra wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:19 opterown wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:19 xAdra wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:17 Skelith wrote:
f#435 yeah!!! kick that gimmick protoss out!

I'm sure we would much rather watch gimmick protosses or terrans as opposed to the boring-as-watching-paint-peeling, turtle into autowin composition zergs.

good thing leenock isn't that zerg

Yes and no. I don't mind Leenock in the early-mid games at all. His lategame will inevitably always be infestor-bl though, in which case I will just switch off the gomplayer, and wait for the next zergless matchup.

how is that so different from, say, protoss whose lategame will be mothership-archon-collosus? or terran with MMMVG? it's the composition which works, we can't expect leenock to go mass hydra or something since that's just dumb lol.

I'm blaming the zerg race. Mothership-archon-colossus is the response to infestor broodlord, and MMMVG is fun to watch and actually difficult to play and multitask with. Infestor broodlord is a snoozefest which is far too easy to execute and near impossible to defend against unless the zerg makes a critical and dumb mistake.
Maloreon
Profile Joined May 2012
United States911 Posts
December 17 2012 08:25 GMT
#1672
On December 17 2012 17:21 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 17:20 Maloreon wrote:
Leenock proving that he does NOT like to lose to the same build twice. He lost to Parting with this exact build on this exact map in this position as well, and he stomps it this time. I missed it, did he scout it coming with overlord or just sniff it out?


He did not know for sure (he started a 4th). BUT he did have a ling in the pathway and knew the push was coming when he saw the probe.


Nice that was what he missed last time at MLG Champion tourney. He didn't have the ability to scout pathways (overlord, or zergling). I love the way he instantly improves on his play after each match.
Leenock, Gumiho, Life, Flash, Parting, Scarlett
Maloreon
Profile Joined May 2012
United States911 Posts
December 17 2012 08:25 GMT
#1673
On December 17 2012 17:24 xAdra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 17:23 opterown wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:21 xAdra wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:19 opterown wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:19 xAdra wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:17 Skelith wrote:
f#435 yeah!!! kick that gimmick protoss out!

I'm sure we would much rather watch gimmick protosses or terrans as opposed to the boring-as-watching-paint-peeling, turtle into autowin composition zergs.

good thing leenock isn't that zerg

Yes and no. I don't mind Leenock in the early-mid games at all. His lategame will inevitably always be infestor-bl though, in which case I will just switch off the gomplayer, and wait for the next zergless matchup.

how is that so different from, say, protoss whose lategame will be mothership-archon-collosus? or terran with MMMVG? it's the composition which works, we can't expect leenock to go mass hydra or something since that's just dumb lol.

I'm blaming the zerg race. Mothership-archon-colossus is the response to infestor broodlord, and MMMVG is fun to watch and actually difficult to play and multitask with. Infestor broodlord is a snoozefest which is far too easy to execute and near impossible to defend against unless the zerg makes a critical and dumb mistake.


Why would you even post stuff like this in these threads... it's already been said and argued about a hundred billion times. Just stop, enjoy the games or move on its really our only choice as viewers.
Leenock, Gumiho, Life, Flash, Parting, Scarlett
xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
December 17 2012 08:26 GMT
#1674
On December 17 2012 17:25 Maloreon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 17:24 xAdra wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:23 opterown wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:21 xAdra wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:19 opterown wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:19 xAdra wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:17 Skelith wrote:
f#435 yeah!!! kick that gimmick protoss out!

I'm sure we would much rather watch gimmick protosses or terrans as opposed to the boring-as-watching-paint-peeling, turtle into autowin composition zergs.

good thing leenock isn't that zerg

Yes and no. I don't mind Leenock in the early-mid games at all. His lategame will inevitably always be infestor-bl though, in which case I will just switch off the gomplayer, and wait for the next zergless matchup.

how is that so different from, say, protoss whose lategame will be mothership-archon-collosus? or terran with MMMVG? it's the composition which works, we can't expect leenock to go mass hydra or something since that's just dumb lol.

I'm blaming the zerg race. Mothership-archon-colossus is the response to infestor broodlord, and MMMVG is fun to watch and actually difficult to play and multitask with. Infestor broodlord is a snoozefest which is far too easy to execute and near impossible to defend against unless the zerg makes a critical and dumb mistake.


Why would you even post stuff like this in these threads... it's already been said and argued about a hundred billion times. Just stop, enjoy the games or move on its really our only choice as viewers.

I'm just responding to someone calling Parting a gimmick protoss, and people asking me to explain. I'm going to follow your wise advice and stop, and continue not watching any zerg games which do not involve leenock.
Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
December 17 2012 08:27 GMT
#1675
Ok, so what's the mathematical outcome that needs to happen for HerO and Parting to both make it out of this group? Ha ha. I think Leenock needs to go first in the group, and then there needs to be like a 4-way tie for 2nd place or something, lol.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
December 17 2012 08:27 GMT
#1676
Sweet got time to finish Dexter now
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Maloreon
Profile Joined May 2012
United States911 Posts
December 17 2012 08:28 GMT
#1677
On December 17 2012 17:26 xAdra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 17:25 Maloreon wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:24 xAdra wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:23 opterown wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:21 xAdra wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:19 opterown wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:19 xAdra wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:17 Skelith wrote:
f#435 yeah!!! kick that gimmick protoss out!

I'm sure we would much rather watch gimmick protosses or terrans as opposed to the boring-as-watching-paint-peeling, turtle into autowin composition zergs.

good thing leenock isn't that zerg

Yes and no. I don't mind Leenock in the early-mid games at all. His lategame will inevitably always be infestor-bl though, in which case I will just switch off the gomplayer, and wait for the next zergless matchup.

how is that so different from, say, protoss whose lategame will be mothership-archon-collosus? or terran with MMMVG? it's the composition which works, we can't expect leenock to go mass hydra or something since that's just dumb lol.

I'm blaming the zerg race. Mothership-archon-colossus is the response to infestor broodlord, and MMMVG is fun to watch and actually difficult to play and multitask with. Infestor broodlord is a snoozefest which is far too easy to execute and near impossible to defend against unless the zerg makes a critical and dumb mistake.


Why would you even post stuff like this in these threads... it's already been said and argued about a hundred billion times. Just stop, enjoy the games or move on its really our only choice as viewers.

I'm just responding to someone calling Parting a gimmick protoss, and people asking me to explain. I'm going to follow your wise advice and stop, and continue not watching any zerg games which do not involve leenock.


I'm not overly fond of ZvZ or PvP but I still watch and find things to enjoy in them (usually ridiculous micro or multi-task) - to each his own though. Sorry I missed what you were responding to, I can't understand how anyone would say Parting is a gimmicky player he can all-in better than just about anyone, micro, macro, and decision making are all world class.
Leenock, Gumiho, Life, Flash, Parting, Scarlett
KingOfNoodles
Profile Joined June 2012
Australia379 Posts
December 17 2012 08:29 GMT
#1678
On December 17 2012 17:23 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 17:21 xAdra wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:19 opterown wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:19 xAdra wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:17 Skelith wrote:
f#435 yeah!!! kick that gimmick protoss out!

I'm sure we would much rather watch gimmick protosses or terrans as opposed to the boring-as-watching-paint-peeling, turtle into autowin composition zergs.

good thing leenock isn't that zerg

Yes and no. I don't mind Leenock in the early-mid games at all. His lategame will inevitably always be infestor-bl though, in which case I will just switch off the gomplayer, and wait for the next zergless matchup.

how is that so different from, say, protoss whose lategame will be mothership-archon-collosus? or terran with MMMVG? it's the composition which works, we can't expect leenock to go mass hydra or something since that's just dumb lol.


I don't understand why people would blame the players when all they are doing is using the best composition available to them to win the game. Why would they do use a build or units that are simply not as good?

I can understand if they are saying that a certain composition is strong or imba or too weak or whatever, but shouldn't really fault the players in using it if it gives them the highest chance of winning the game.

Don't hate the player, hate the game
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
December 17 2012 08:29 GMT
#1679
On December 17 2012 17:24 xAdra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 17:23 opterown wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:21 xAdra wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:19 opterown wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:19 xAdra wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:17 Skelith wrote:
f#435 yeah!!! kick that gimmick protoss out!

I'm sure we would much rather watch gimmick protosses or terrans as opposed to the boring-as-watching-paint-peeling, turtle into autowin composition zergs.

good thing leenock isn't that zerg

Yes and no. I don't mind Leenock in the early-mid games at all. His lategame will inevitably always be infestor-bl though, in which case I will just switch off the gomplayer, and wait for the next zergless matchup.

how is that so different from, say, protoss whose lategame will be mothership-archon-collosus? or terran with MMMVG? it's the composition which works, we can't expect leenock to go mass hydra or something since that's just dumb lol.

I'm blaming the zerg race. Mothership-archon-colossus is the response to infestor broodlord, and MMMVG is fun to watch and actually difficult to play and multitask with. Infestor broodlord is a snoozefest which is far too easy to execute and near impossible to defend against unless the zerg makes a critical and dumb mistake.


If you want to blame infestor broodlord for making ms-archon-colo, then you need to blame colo-sentries for infestor broodlord. I am sure zergs would be happy with ling/roaches if protoss didn't build colo/storm.
xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
December 17 2012 08:30 GMT
#1680
On December 17 2012 17:28 Maloreon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 17:26 xAdra wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:25 Maloreon wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:24 xAdra wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:23 opterown wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:21 xAdra wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:19 opterown wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:19 xAdra wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:17 Skelith wrote:
f#435 yeah!!! kick that gimmick protoss out!

I'm sure we would much rather watch gimmick protosses or terrans as opposed to the boring-as-watching-paint-peeling, turtle into autowin composition zergs.

good thing leenock isn't that zerg

Yes and no. I don't mind Leenock in the early-mid games at all. His lategame will inevitably always be infestor-bl though, in which case I will just switch off the gomplayer, and wait for the next zergless matchup.

how is that so different from, say, protoss whose lategame will be mothership-archon-collosus? or terran with MMMVG? it's the composition which works, we can't expect leenock to go mass hydra or something since that's just dumb lol.

I'm blaming the zerg race. Mothership-archon-colossus is the response to infestor broodlord, and MMMVG is fun to watch and actually difficult to play and multitask with. Infestor broodlord is a snoozefest which is far too easy to execute and near impossible to defend against unless the zerg makes a critical and dumb mistake.


Why would you even post stuff like this in these threads... it's already been said and argued about a hundred billion times. Just stop, enjoy the games or move on its really our only choice as viewers.

I'm just responding to someone calling Parting a gimmick protoss, and people asking me to explain. I'm going to follow your wise advice and stop, and continue not watching any zerg games which do not involve leenock.


I'm not overly fond of ZvZ or PvP but I still watch and find things to enjoy in them (usually ridiculous micro or multi-task) - to each his own though. Sorry I missed what you were responding to, I can't understand how anyone would say Parting is a gimmicky player he can all-in better than just about anyone, micro, macro, and decision making are all world class.

Glad we see eye-to-eye on this. I did not mean to come off as a balance whiner before this. I'm partial to PvP for one reason: protoss pros are already a rarity in most tournaments (bar the WCS tournaments where korean protosses dominated) and watching them take each other out is just brutal
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