On November 22 2012 20:31 thepuppyassassin wrote: Here's a question. How has Dream's play looked against other players in the CURRENT season? I can understand a player suddenly hitting his stride and realizing his true potential after a long period of terrible results.. But I cringe at the prospect that the best/consistent players can be defeated in such a dominant fashion by inconsistent, relatively much worse players, with preparation alone. There needs to be a stronger filter in place, like macro/economy management mechanics, that reduces the chance for an upset.
The better player today won.
There does not need to be any stronger filter, if you donate all your Templar to a player when going Templar before Colossus, and get out multitasked, you lose. There's nothing else about it.
The problem is no one is better than everyone else enough to make it so they can dominate.
On November 22 2012 20:31 thepuppyassassin wrote: Here's a question. How has Dream's play looked against other players in the CURRENT season? I can understand a player suddenly hitting his stride and realizing his true potential after a long period of terrible results.. But I cringe at the prospect that the best/consistent players can be defeated in such a dominant fashion by inconsistent, relatively much worse players, with preparation alone. There needs to be a stronger filter in place, like macro/economy management mechanics, that reduces the chance for an upset.
The better player today won.
There does not need to be any stronger filter, if you donate all your Templar to a player when going Templar before Colossus, and get out multitasked, you lose. There's nothing else about it.
The problem is no one is better than everyone else enough to make it so they can dominate.
L G - I M
I mean right now, it seems like we've somehow hit a turning point where results are so random and no one can dominate.
On November 22 2012 20:31 thepuppyassassin wrote: Here's a question. How has Dream's play looked against other players in the CURRENT season? I can understand a player suddenly hitting his stride and realizing his true potential after a long period of terrible results.. But I cringe at the prospect that the best/consistent players can be defeated in such a dominant fashion by inconsistent, relatively much worse players, with preparation alone. There needs to be a stronger filter in place, like macro/economy management mechanics, that reduces the chance for an upset.
The better player today won.
There does not need to be any stronger filter, if you donate all your Templar to a player when going Templar before Colossus, and get out multitasked, you lose. There's nothing else about it.
The problem is no one is better than everyone else enough to make it so they can dominate.
How is that a problem?
Yes it isn't a problem the game just hasn't developed to the point to where bw was, we have 2 expansions left and still tons of balancing to be done, which won't be complete until the final expansion has been released.
On November 22 2012 20:31 thepuppyassassin wrote: Here's a question. How has Dream's play looked against other players in the CURRENT season? I can understand a player suddenly hitting his stride and realizing his true potential after a long period of terrible results.. But I cringe at the prospect that the best/consistent players can be defeated in such a dominant fashion by inconsistent, relatively much worse players, with preparation alone. There needs to be a stronger filter in place, like macro/economy management mechanics, that reduces the chance for an upset.
The better player today won.
There does not need to be any stronger filter, if you donate all your Templar to a player when going Templar before Colossus, and get out multitasked, you lose. There's nothing else about it.
The problem is no one is better than everyone else enough to make it so they can dominate.
L G - I M
StarTale raped them 5-1 in the IPTL finals tonight, sorry
On November 22 2012 20:31 thepuppyassassin wrote: Here's a question. How has Dream's play looked against other players in the CURRENT season? I can understand a player suddenly hitting his stride and realizing his true potential after a long period of terrible results.. But I cringe at the prospect that the best/consistent players can be defeated in such a dominant fashion by inconsistent, relatively much worse players, with preparation alone. There needs to be a stronger filter in place, like macro/economy management mechanics, that reduces the chance for an upset.
The better player today won.
There does not need to be any stronger filter, if you donate all your Templar to a player when going Templar before Colossus, and get out multitasked, you lose. There's nothing else about it.
The problem is no one is better than everyone else enough to make it so they can dominate.
Pretty sure the mechanics of protoss mean that won't ever happen (for that race). It's just really easy to make minor, game-losing mistakes due to poor condition (like missing forcefields etc, over-committing to aggression, missing a timing) and the other skill differentiating mechanics (macro, positioning, micro) aren't as definitive.
It's also probably the race that benefits the most from good preparation and conditioning for the same reasons, though.
On November 22 2012 20:31 thepuppyassassin wrote: Here's a question. How has Dream's play looked against other players in the CURRENT season? I can understand a player suddenly hitting his stride and realizing his true potential after a long period of terrible results.. But I cringe at the prospect that the best/consistent players can be defeated in such a dominant fashion by inconsistent, relatively much worse players, with preparation alone. There needs to be a stronger filter in place, like macro/economy management mechanics, that reduces the chance for an upset.
The better player today won.
There does not need to be any stronger filter, if you donate all your Templar to a player when going Templar before Colossus, and get out multitasked, you lose. There's nothing else about it.
The problem is no one is better than everyone else enough to make it so they can dominate.
How is that a problem?
Because it's boring and we can't build a story around this game if we don't have the Mvp's, the NesTea's, the Flash's and the Jaedong's.
On November 22 2012 20:31 thepuppyassassin wrote: Here's a question. How has Dream's play looked against other players in the CURRENT season? I can understand a player suddenly hitting his stride and realizing his true potential after a long period of terrible results.. But I cringe at the prospect that the best/consistent players can be defeated in such a dominant fashion by inconsistent, relatively much worse players, with preparation alone. There needs to be a stronger filter in place, like macro/economy management mechanics, that reduces the chance for an upset.
The better player today won.
There does not need to be any stronger filter, if you donate all your Templar to a player when going Templar before Colossus, and get out multitasked, you lose. There's nothing else about it.
The problem is no one is better than everyone else enough to make it so they can dominate.
L G - I M
StarTale raped them 5-1 in the IPTL finals tonight, sorry
Name me the number of GSL championsips won by StarTale players and then the same number won by LG-IM players. As it turns out, LG-IM players have won slightly more.
On November 22 2012 20:31 thepuppyassassin wrote: Here's a question. How has Dream's play looked against other players in the CURRENT season? I can understand a player suddenly hitting his stride and realizing his true potential after a long period of terrible results.. But I cringe at the prospect that the best/consistent players can be defeated in such a dominant fashion by inconsistent, relatively much worse players, with preparation alone. There needs to be a stronger filter in place, like macro/economy management mechanics, that reduces the chance for an upset.
He is like Yoda =), he started off cheesing everyone and suddenly became a Macro Player.
This is actually somewhat wrong. Dream had strong harass based macro play long before he became known for cheese (which was his 2nd or 3rd time in Code A when a lot of players were doing all ins vZ and vP)
first of all: i like flash, im not a fan i'd say but i like his macro play
but still, after months and months of "oh wait until flash, jd and those guys enter GSL they will crush every champion within weeks" i'm giggling right now how kespa legends get slaughterd by some b teamer ESF players, no offense @Brave, but he's a complete nobody in the scene
tbh: its not a kespa or esf thing, it's more like a sc2 thing; if you are not on top of your game you can literally lose to anyone who is GM and has a good day
On November 22 2012 20:31 thepuppyassassin wrote: Here's a question. How has Dream's play looked against other players in the CURRENT season? I can understand a player suddenly hitting his stride and realizing his true potential after a long period of terrible results.. But I cringe at the prospect that the best/consistent players can be defeated in such a dominant fashion by inconsistent, relatively much worse players, with preparation alone. There needs to be a stronger filter in place, like macro/economy management mechanics, that reduces the chance for an upset.
The better player today won.
There does not need to be any stronger filter, if you donate all your Templar to a player when going Templar before Colossus, and get out multitasked, you lose. There's nothing else about it.
The problem is no one is better than everyone else enough to make it so they can dominate.
L G - I M
StarTale raped them 5-1 in the IPTL finals tonight, sorry
What the hell is your definition of dominant? You have to win every game from the start to the end of time? Count the GSL championships between the players on that team, and check out this dude Mvp, and tell me its impossible to dominate in sc2.
On November 22 2012 20:31 thepuppyassassin wrote: Here's a question. How has Dream's play looked against other players in the CURRENT season? I can understand a player suddenly hitting his stride and realizing his true potential after a long period of terrible results.. But I cringe at the prospect that the best/consistent players can be defeated in such a dominant fashion by inconsistent, relatively much worse players, with preparation alone. There needs to be a stronger filter in place, like macro/economy management mechanics, that reduces the chance for an upset.
The better player today won.
There does not need to be any stronger filter, if you donate all your Templar to a player when going Templar before Colossus, and get out multitasked, you lose. There's nothing else about it.
The problem is no one is better than everyone else enough to make it so they can dominate.
L G - I M
I mean right now, it seems like we've somehow hit a turning point where results are so random and no one can dominate.
Leenock has been doing well for like 2 years. Still no GSL win but solid results all over.
On November 22 2012 20:31 thepuppyassassin wrote: Here's a question. How has Dream's play looked against other players in the CURRENT season? I can understand a player suddenly hitting his stride and realizing his true potential after a long period of terrible results.. But I cringe at the prospect that the best/consistent players can be defeated in such a dominant fashion by inconsistent, relatively much worse players, with preparation alone. There needs to be a stronger filter in place, like macro/economy management mechanics, that reduces the chance for an upset.
The better player today won.
There does not need to be any stronger filter, if you donate all your Templar to a player when going Templar before Colossus, and get out multitasked, you lose. There's nothing else about it.
The problem is no one is better than everyone else enough to make it so they can dominate.
L G - I M
I mean right now, it seems like we've somehow hit a turning point where results are so random and no one can dominate.
I'd credit that more to the compressed GSL format and players travelling a lot, rather than SC2's current state.
During BW, you played BW in Korea, you knew what tournaments to focus on, there were no travel issues, no tournament conflicts, hence why we could see domination so clearly.
EPT
