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On November 18 2012 21:11 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 21:09 Meggiroth wrote:
You want a real World Champion? Look at the IPL5 lineup. The one that wins that will unquestionably remains as the king of 2012 in my books. Upsets happen tho. Let's say someone good like Sniper won it, would he be king of 2012? A lot of players can win IPL5 if they get on a roll.
With that lineup, you don't just get on a roll, even hes lucky to stomp some foreigners he will encouter one of the top 10 korean beasts long before the final. Also the most awesome part is that the one who wins GSL will play in IPL5 as well. It will be the ultimate proof of whos really the best.
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The whole WCS is such a great tournement. What's great about it is a not huge prize pool,great line up or whatvever but it's the fact that it gives player from around the world that may not have an opportunity to travel to other tournaments a goal to look forward to and they have many levels of goal they can aim at from country-the world.
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Will there be interviews with the players on this tournament?
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On November 18 2012 20:45 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 20:42 nonsequitur wrote:On November 18 2012 20:40 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:
Why does Tasteless do this every tournament? Talks it up like winning is the best achievement in the world. It really makes him look like uninformed when it comes to SC2.
Anyone with a brain can recognise the sub par player pool for an event with a prize pool this big. Not to mention the total lack of Terran representation. IPL on other hand, it had a player pool that deserves some merit. Winning that sure won't be easy.
GG Parting. What do you expect him to do? He is the caster hired for this event. It is his job to promote and hype the event up. Please tell me how you expect him to act. How about not completely ridiculous? Did he say at some point that him and Artosis are telling it "how it is"? If a game is boring they'll tell you etc.? Now mind you, I do appreciate an appropriate hype level for finals like these, almost no matter how bad the games are. But when he suddenly started screaming like, to put it lightly, a madman when he thought "oh the game's about to end". Well, my god. That may have been the most faked enthusiasm I've ever witnessed in my life.
Not commenting on Tasteless since I watched the other Stream but to say this tournament had a sub par player pool is completely ridiculous. This tournament featured the uncontested top three Korean Protoss players (Parting, Creator and Rain), the three best European Zergs (Stephano, Nerchio and Vortix), the best European Terran (Lucifron), Sen and a very deep Line-Up of skilled Zerg and Protoss players both foreign and korean in general (HerO, herO, Grubby, Titan, Curious, Roro, Suppy, Scarlet). All of these players qualified for this Event and while some of them had an easier road than others they all showcased that they have the skill to play at this level. Sure it's very disappointing that there were only four Terran players and only two left in the Ro16 and both of them got knocked out immediately but hopefully this will cause Blizzard to take action since they can hardly ignore their own event.
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On November 18 2012 21:13 KanoCoke wrote:
What really sucked for me was Idra beasting through his group, only to run into Rain of all people.
There should've been a group selection or random draw instead of a set bracket for Ro16.
Yes, the set brackets was kind of weird. But even in random draw, Idra could still have draw Rain. You can't really have group selection because how would you decide who gets first pick since your have 8 group winners. You can't really do it by map score since they all played different players.
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On November 18 2012 21:14 Valikyr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 21:01 Ronin2011 wrote:
1th Protoss
2nd Protoss
3rd Protoss
Nerf Zerg.. they're so OP!
Let's hope Blizzard reconsider hearing bronze player voices... Don't be a retard. Korea brought their best protosses but not the best players from the other races. If Life, Leenock, DRG would've been there instead they would be top 3.
That is because those guys lost in WCS Korea.
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On November 18 2012 20:49 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 20:42 Jehct wrote:On November 18 2012 20:39 Dodgin wrote:
Okay so in this tournament
Parting defeated
Illusion
Socke
Scarlett
Suppy
Sen
Creator
Only one Korean player and one Code A/B player.
Congrats on the easiest 100k of your life. ...because every other Code S/A/B korean was knocked out either earlier in the tournament or in the many qualifiers leading up to it Seriously, wtf? This was a lot harder to win, and required a lot more consistency, than any single Code S championship. He got third in WCS KR, second in WCS Asia, first here. That's fucking amazing. Trying to downplay the achievement is just messed up You're looking at it wrong. He deserves credit for winning those tournament individually and making it to the BWC. He didn't, however, do much to earn the top spot at this event though. Not down playing his efforts, I'm happy for him, but its not like he went from one the top protoss playersvto the best player in the world in 2 days. A tournament that want's to pretend its the highest achievement in the sport has to fix the qualifying. The player pool was very very poor and a terrible representation of the best players that the world has to offer.
Completely agree here. Sadly this event had a very poor player pool, IPL5 will do a much better job at that.
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On November 18 2012 21:17 krutopatkin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 21:14 Valikyr wrote:On November 18 2012 21:01 Ronin2011 wrote:
1th Protoss
2nd Protoss
3rd Protoss
Nerf Zerg.. they're so OP!
Let's hope Blizzard reconsider hearing bronze player voices... Don't be a retard. Korea brought their best protosses but not the best players from the other races. If Life, Leenock, DRG would've been there instead they would be top 3. That is because those guys lost in WCS Korea.
Qualifiers were before Life's rise unfortunately, but yeah Leenock and DRG lost in WCS KR.
Leenock's resurgence came after WCS KR was over as well, double unfortunately.
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Oh, that's a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy reference on the front page. :3
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On November 18 2012 21:09 nAgeDitto wrote:
this kind of argument after every single tournament :'(
Maybe next year Blizzard will force EVERY single player in the world to play for regional/national qualifiers
Or maybe they should just sponsor a massive GSL season and give the prize money for WCS to the winner of that. Expand Code S to 64 players or something. I didn't care or feel disappointed by this tournament, because I wasn't hyped at all. It just feels wrong that such a huge prize pool was given for a tournament, where realistically, there was only 10 or so other players who were remotely on the level the winner was in. He loses in Code S, where everyone has a fair shot of beating him - but comes here with a far weaker player pool and wins substantially more than he would've won as Code S winner.
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On November 18 2012 21:19 THM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 20:49 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:On November 18 2012 20:42 Jehct wrote:On November 18 2012 20:39 Dodgin wrote:
Okay so in this tournament
Parting defeated
Illusion
Socke
Scarlett
Suppy
Sen
Creator
Only one Korean player and one Code A/B player.
Congrats on the easiest 100k of your life. ...because every other Code S/A/B korean was knocked out either earlier in the tournament or in the many qualifiers leading up to it Seriously, wtf? This was a lot harder to win, and required a lot more consistency, than any single Code S championship. He got third in WCS KR, second in WCS Asia, first here. That's fucking amazing. Trying to downplay the achievement is just messed up You're looking at it wrong. He deserves credit for winning those tournament individually and making it to the BWC. He didn't, however, do much to earn the top spot at this event though. Not down playing his efforts, I'm happy for him, but its not like he went from one the top protoss playersvto the best player in the world in 2 days. A tournament that want's to pretend its the highest achievement in the sport has to fix the qualifying. The player pool was very very poor and a terrible representation of the best players that the world has to offer. Completely agree here. Sadly this event had a very poor player pool, IPL5 will do a much better job at that.
The problem is that all best players are in Korea. This is the best Blizzard can do. You can't really get a tournament with all the best players without it being an pure korean tournament.
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Watching his achievements on Liquidpedia:
1th) 2012 Battle.net World Championship
2nd) WCS Asia Finals
3rd) WCS: South Korea Nationals
ro4) 2012 GSL Season 2: Code S
5-6th) 2012 MLG Winter Championship
ro8) 2012 GSL Season 1: Code S
Fuck me, talk about a storyline :D this makes me even more happy that he won. GRATZ Parting <3
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I have no idea why you people are crying about the tournament format. The tournament did everything right regarding a world championship, you had regional qualifiers, continental qualifiers and finally the grand showdown.
If you are upset that foreigners did poorly in general, then there is no one to fucking blame but the foreigners themselves, don't blame the format, the best player of his region qualified, then the best players on the continent qualified to go to the grand final, then the best players in the world, the Koreans won from there, get a grip, deal with it.
I agree that IPL5 and Iron Squid 2 have much more sick lineups, but those are all heavy on Koreans, while that is all great, we need tournament that are that stacked, we also need grass roots tournaments like WCS to grow and expose local talent, to encourage growth that will potentially Challenger the Koreans. And you do need some local heroes for people to cheer for, just don't cry when your local hero gets stomped into the dirt by the much superior Koreans.
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On November 18 2012 21:16 Meggiroth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 21:11 vthree wrote:On November 18 2012 21:09 Meggiroth wrote:
You want a real World Champion? Look at the IPL5 lineup. The one that wins that will unquestionably remains as the king of 2012 in my books. Upsets happen tho. Let's say someone good like Sniper won it, would he be king of 2012? A lot of players can win IPL5 if they get on a roll. With that lineup, you don't just get on a roll, even hes lucky to stomp some foreigners he will encouter one of the top 10 korean beasts long before the final. Also the most awesome part is that the one who wins GSL will play in IPL5 as well. It will be the ultimate proof of whos really the best.
Being the best in one tournament doesn't make you the king of 2012. Was MMA the king of 2012 because he would Blizzard Cup? Winning the tournament meant you played the best during that weekend.
Having the GSL Ro4 there as well sort of makes it worse. Say if Leenock won GSL but he dropped out early in IPL. People will say that he was focusing on GSL so that is why he lost early in IPL.
No ONE tournament will decide the best player. Look at golf tournaments (which have even more volatile results). You can have all the best players in the world competing (which a lot of the big events like majors do). But winning 1 major doesn't necessary make you the BEST player in the world eventhough you beat all the best players.
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btw, anyone know who that chinese announcer girl was? just curious~
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On November 18 2012 21:19 THM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 20:49 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:On November 18 2012 20:42 Jehct wrote:On November 18 2012 20:39 Dodgin wrote:
Okay so in this tournament
Parting defeated
Illusion
Socke
Scarlett
Suppy
Sen
Creator
Only one Korean player and one Code A/B player.
Congrats on the easiest 100k of your life. ...because every other Code S/A/B korean was knocked out either earlier in the tournament or in the many qualifiers leading up to it Seriously, wtf? This was a lot harder to win, and required a lot more consistency, than any single Code S championship. He got third in WCS KR, second in WCS Asia, first here. That's fucking amazing. Trying to downplay the achievement is just messed up You're looking at it wrong. He deserves credit for winning those tournament individually and making it to the BWC. He didn't, however, do much to earn the top spot at this event though. Not down playing his efforts, I'm happy for him, but its not like he went from one the top protoss playersvto the best player in the world in 2 days. A tournament that want's to pretend its the highest achievement in the sport has to fix the qualifying. The player pool was very very poor and a terrible representation of the best players that the world has to offer. Completely agree here. Sadly this event had a very poor player pool, IPL5 will do a much better job at that.
IPL5 has the best Korean Terrans and Zergs but the overall quality of Protoss players is much lower.
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The best of 2012 is probably DRG 1st, then Mvp 2nd and some scrubs (Leenock, Life, MKP and what have you) can fight it out for 3rd place. ^_^
But someone may rise up if they do well in the next few months.
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On November 18 2012 21:13 KanoCoke wrote:
What really sucked for me was Idra beasting through his group, only to run into Rain of all people.
There should've been a group selection or random draw instead of a set bracket for Ro16.
Here's a crazy thought! Maybe they should have brought 16 chairs on stage and have all the qualifying players sit on them. They would then roll in a large board with a magnetic tile for every player present. Each player would take a turn picking who they wanted to face in their group, and maybe give a fun little interview while doing it.
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Think Rain deserves some credit here.. he may not have won, but he was solid, and his placements in basically all tournaments has proven he has a high level of consistency that despite losses, keeps him up there. At the end of WoL, the game is pretty much solved with no huge metagame innovations anymore. To catchup 2 years, and play at the top is phenomenal.
As for the player pool being very poor, I disagree. Sure there could have been other players that could beat PartinG and co, but they had their chance in Korea. They failed. If we really wanted to watch a korean duke fest, then we watch Code S right? For each of the best players of their respective race outside Korea, we can find like a list equally good if not better in Korea. So why not just have WCS as the grand finals? Cause the whole fascination of foreigners vs korea is what makes the grand finals better than each of the regional tournaments.
As I said before, I really enjoyed some of the surprising results in this tournament, like BabyKnight's 2-0 win over Rain, Stephano's 0-2 to Idra, Her0's 2-1 over Stephano. Because all these games had more on the line than just who gets through.
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I can't tell if this was a good or bad showing for foreigners
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