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HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
November 19 2012 19:37 GMT
#8041
I assume this has already been pointed out but...

http://sc2earnings.com/?year=2012

who needs GSL winnings? ^^
Jmanthedragonguy
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada1202 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-19 20:50:05
November 19 2012 20:49 GMT
#8042
Parting is arguably the best player in the world.
Life and Rain are also candidates.

TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
November 19 2012 20:55 GMT
#8043
The concept of world's best player is meaningless, i can't understand how people are able to produce so much text over nothingness, ignoring the more pressing issues about this dissappointing tournament.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 19 2012 21:01 GMT
#8044
On November 20 2012 05:55 TigerKarl wrote:
The concept of world's best player is meaningless, i can't understand how people are able to produce so much text over nothingness, ignoring the more pressing issues about this dissappointing tournament.


Such as?
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4ZakeN87
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-20 00:28:30
November 20 2012 00:07 GMT
#8045
On November 19 2012 14:36 Bowzar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2012 02:45 4ZakeN87 wrote:
On November 19 2012 00:49 Jealous wrote:
On November 18 2012 23:30 4ZakeN87 wrote:
On November 18 2012 23:28 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On November 18 2012 22:37 maracuja123 wrote:
The event didnt feel epic because we didnt have enough foreigners after the groups phases. I mean, I would watch the tournament if Stephano, Scarlet or Nerchio were there, but they all felt apart.

Only if Idra had beat Rain.


Koreans always dominate everything so long as they're not massive outnumbered.

Why do you even watch Sc2 if you get bored by Koreans always winning?


Well to be honest it is probably many that don´t because of it, few things are hurting the expansion of SC2 as much as the Korean dominance.

=__= "Oh no the best players are beating the worse players, that is why our game is dying." It would be a problem if the Koreans WEREN'T dominating... How do people not understand this and continue with their biased and racist mentality? Fuck, so depressing.


Okay all retards that responded to this, read a moment and learn something for a change. I know you like Koreans, the best player should win, skill is holy etc. Guess what? All that is completely irrelevant for my statement.

That it is bad for SC2 that Korea is dominating completely is not an opinion, it is a fact. It is a matter of observing reality. If you are to buthurt to realize this you are delusional. It is bad for completely obvious reasons that should not even be required to explain. I will however start from the assumption that you are retarded just to be safe and do it anyway.

It it is a fact that every tournament that only have Koreans left drop their viewing numbers by 30-50%. <- This part here is same as bad. The fact that WCS EU had the highest viewing number a SC2 event ever had is also odd. How can that be?

To make things worse are the people that watch on TL very skilled oriented crowd. People that are here have almost all played RTS or are for one reason or another tactically oriented, this is not the case in average crowd.

If take the FIFA world championship for example. When Sweden playing something around 500-1000% more viewers are watching in Sweden compared to when other countries are playing. Let say that Mexico have a better team then Sweden, no one in Sweden are watching Mexico play, cause they plainly don´t give a fuck if they are better or not. Because they want to see the country they belong and relate to compete against the world. That is it .

So we know for a fact that it is hurting viewing numbers, we can with 100% certainty say that it is hurting the recruitment of the potential audience even more, and that highest viewing number ever achieved was in tournament with 0 Koreans. Which part of this is it that you want me to explain?

Every sport that is heavily dominated by one country is never going to be big. You guys watch landhockey a lot? You like it?What is your favorite player? We in Sweden think it is awesome you see, I watch my neighbouring city team play several times every year. No you don´t watch that? Well guess what, Sweden has won the world championship like 7 times the last 10 years.


I agreed with you until you started spouting your so called facts. WCS EU was not the tournament with the highest concurrent viewers, MLG events in 2011 has gotten over 100k and they were all pretty much dominated by Koreans.

DHW2011 is Dreamhacks best tournament in terms of concurrent viewers and that was two Koreans battling it out in the finals. IEM last tournament in 2011 got close to 100k and that was also dominated by Koreans. DHS2012 had few Koreans in it and they all got eliminated pretty early on and that tournament peaked at somewhere around 60k. Same thing with Bucharest and it didnt even get over 40k. Dreamhack Valencia peaked at 75k and guess who were in the finals? Taeja and ForGG. Koreans.

DHS2012 actually dropped in viewers when Hero got knocked out. Do you want to know why that is? Because Hero is really popular. The reason why tournaments sometimes dip in terms of viewers (and its not even close to your bullshit percentage) when the last foreigner gets knocked out is because that foreigner is usually Stephano, the most popular player in SC2. People want to see the best/most popular players. If Mvp would have gotten eliminated in IEM, viewers most certainly would have dropped.

If Koreans are killing SC2 then why the fuck is Iron Squid inviting a bunch of them for their upcoming tournament? Of course it would be better if all foreigners could compete with the Koreans. I dont think anyone is arguing against that, especially since the US is SC2 biggest market and Korea doesnt give a shit about SC2 and add little in terms of viewers.


Well it is a factor, thus only a piece of several reasons. Of course a final will on average have more viewers that earlier matches because it decided the outcome of the tournament. Thus will some tournament have high view number in a final despite having 2 Koreans, of course.

A counties success for it number of viewers are of course extremly important. Take Sweden for instance, compared to our population I am 99.9% certain that Swedes are heavily over represented on TL, maybe it has something to do with Sweden being strong in SC2? Also without knowing I am also pretty sure that highest viewing number per country is Korea.

To talk about something else for a second, do I find it amusing that people accept certain facts with ease but cannot accept a negative consequence of the same fact. So it is obvious to everyone with a brain that a countries success is important for how many people that are watching it. That consequence of that fact is that it is very bad if one country (in our case Korea) to completely dominate. Because it means that this vital positive effect for attracting new viewers is heavily restricted to one country, which of course is shit if you are aiming for a global audience.

If you look at it from the other side would it be amazing for SC2 if some Chinese players would start to kick ass. Say that China would have 3-4 players around Naniwa/Stephano level, would be preeeetty nice for viewer numbers I believe. Hell Blizzard should pay talented Chinese players to enable them to go full time .


About WCS EU have I heard it being mentioned as the highest viewing number on several occasions, maybe many people are lying. Personally I have never seen a SC2 stream go over 100k before and I have watched pretty much every major SC2 event since start of 2011.
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" Einstein
MikeMM
Profile Joined November 2012
Russian Federation221 Posts
November 20 2012 06:29 GMT
#8046
On November 19 2012 05:39 TigerKarl wrote:
Well, i hope that outspoken community shows and figures have the balls to tell Blizzard into their face what a huge dissappointment this tournament was in terms of production. Not even 50.000 viewers for what should have gone into history as the biggest WoL tournament ever. Too bad that they weren't able or willing to take the world finals away from the production crew, that already botched the asia finals, in order to give it to the dreamhack production crew, who did such an amazing job at the europe finals.
This was a completely uninspirational, unpersonal, badly produced waste of dreams, which produced a few really cool games and moments, but should be forgotten very quickly.

One year passed since tournaments which got 100.000 viewers and this game didn’t become better despite hopes and promises.
That’s why number of viewers dropped considerably.
And I am afraid things will get only worse for sc2.
K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
November 20 2012 06:55 GMT
#8047
On November 20 2012 05:49 Jmanthedragonguy wrote:
Parting is arguably the best player in the world.
Life and Rain are also candidates.



Not sure you can argue that for Parting. His run had basically no top tier players except at the end when he played Creator...and it was a PvP.

I'm sure a huge majority of the people would put Rain and Life far ahead of Parting for candidates for best player.
Turbo.Tactics
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany675 Posts
November 20 2012 16:08 GMT
#8048
For everyone who missed it live... Day9 and dApollo going nuts.

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