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MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
November 18 2012 08:14 GMT
#5901
On November 18 2012 17:13 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2012 17:12 MCXD wrote:
Speaking of Suppy, I find it remarkable that he only BARELY qualified for WCS North America, then didn't qualify for the World at all and was only brought it in as a sub for Ostojiy... and then proceeded to go the furthest of any American and any EG player in the entire tourney. Scary that. Good on him.


I suppose he just gets LANs. Something about traveling, adjusting, and performing that he understands.


Yeah but he didn't do very well at USA or NA, and those were LANs too.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
November 18 2012 08:14 GMT
#5902
On November 18 2012 17:12 Baroninthetree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2012 17:09 zefreak wrote:
On November 18 2012 17:06 Myrddraal wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:59 Baroninthetree wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:55 GolemMadness wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:53 Woizit wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:50 thepuppyassassin wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:48 Die4Ever wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:41 Wildmoon wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:39 BlackGosu wrote:
this is why im losing interest in sc2. no stable champions


No sport has stable champion.

Creator recently won TSL4, WCS Korea, got 4th? in WCS Asian, and is now in the finals of BWC and in the ro8 in Code S...
Leenock got 2nd place in the most recent MLG, 1st in the previous one, ro8 Code S....
Life won Code S and MLG and 2nd place TSL4
Rain won OSL, 3rd in WCS Korea, 1st WCS Asia, 3rd/4th in BWC, 3rd/4th in Code S
MVP wins pretty much everything else

no stable champions my ass, people often claim that the same guys winning all the money is preventing rising talent



What people really want is another bonjwa. It seems as if the scene is starved for one. I wonder if it will ever happen. It will definitely be a good thing if it does though..


It won't be possible for a bonjwa to rise in the scene as it is now. Unless you manage to support the entire pro scene to fly around to every single tournament around, there will always be so and so won this other big tournament when one person is dominating somewhere.


That doesn't matter. If someone consistently wins/places very high in top tournaments like GSL and MLG, it doesn't matter if someone else is winning some other tournament occasionally.

SC1 is just such a small society that makes bonjwa possible.
community like SC2 is so big that no one can dominate like SC1, not now, not ever.
We will only have consistent good player, like MVP in the past years, this will be the closest thing to a bonjwa


Since when did bonjwa dictate that the player had to win every tournament there is? I was never under the impression that the player had to even win every tournament they played to be considered, let alone every tournament that they don't play as well. Dominance can be achieved by winning most things and being a favourite to win any tournament they enter as long as they don't start slumping after a few months like they normally do.


Then Mvp is already a bonjwa

Yeah, if not. He's the closest thing that will ever get.


Yes, you really know this two years into the game.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
November 18 2012 08:15 GMT
#5903
That one with the SCV repairing the supply depot vs the zealot had me rofling. I love the trophy one and commando roach too.
twndomn
Profile Joined September 2010
401 Posts
November 18 2012 08:15 GMT
#5904
Sen totally deserves to lose to Parting. Parting just does same all-in 3 times, your own fault for Not doing anything different to adjust, stubbornness cost Sen, not Race, not Map.

Now, who's the best Foreigner? Don't tell me Stephano, he didn't even make top 16, Naniwa didn't even make it to China.
"If MC wins this, his name would not be SK MC, it would be ST MC, ST for Saint, performing miracles." - Artosis.
Baroninthetree
Profile Joined August 2012
United States473 Posts
November 18 2012 08:16 GMT
#5905
On November 18 2012 17:12 rauk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2012 17:07 Baroninthetree wrote:
On November 18 2012 17:02 GolemMadness wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:59 Baroninthetree wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:55 GolemMadness wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:53 Woizit wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:50 thepuppyassassin wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:48 Die4Ever wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:41 Wildmoon wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:39 BlackGosu wrote:
this is why im losing interest in sc2. no stable champions


No sport has stable champion.

Creator recently won TSL4, WCS Korea, got 4th? in WCS Asian, and is now in the finals of BWC and in the ro8 in Code S...
Leenock got 2nd place in the most recent MLG, 1st in the previous one, ro8 Code S....
Life won Code S and MLG and 2nd place TSL4
Rain won OSL, 3rd in WCS Korea, 1st WCS Asia, 3rd/4th in BWC, 3rd/4th in Code S
MVP wins pretty much everything else

no stable champions my ass, people often claim that the same guys winning all the money is preventing rising talent



What people really want is another bonjwa. It seems as if the scene is starved for one. I wonder if it will ever happen. It will definitely be a good thing if it does though..


It won't be possible for a bonjwa to rise in the scene as it is now. Unless you manage to support the entire pro scene to fly around to every single tournament around, there will always be so and so won this other big tournament when one person is dominating somewhere.


That doesn't matter. If someone consistently wins/places very high in top tournaments like GSL and MLG, it doesn't matter if someone else is winning some other tournament occasionally.

SC1 is just such a small society that makes bonjwa possible.
community like SC2 is so big that no one can dominate like SC1, not now, not ever.
We will only have consistent good player, like MVP in the past years, this will be the closest thing to a bonjwa


Koreans are the best in the world. More Koreans played Brood War. Foreigners don't come into the equation that much. What you say makes no sense.

Actually only about 100 korean played SC1 including those trainers. You can see how many in SC2 community now.
SC2 is designed to be more player friendly, less mechanics and more mind games. And i guess it works.


there were at least 150+ active pros who were kespa ranked, more than 400 amateur/semipros a lot of them living in semipro houses, plus a ton more who are just like B/B+ ranked on iccup, so not "100 korean"....

Really? Where are those active pro now. Are they even able to show their face in GM in KR serve. How active is that?
And, 400 amateur/semipros? That's exactly what i mean small community.

NaldoR
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore2198 Posts
November 18 2012 08:16 GMT
#5906
On November 18 2012 17:14 MCXD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2012 17:13 AgentW wrote:
On November 18 2012 17:12 MCXD wrote:
Speaking of Suppy, I find it remarkable that he only BARELY qualified for WCS North America, then didn't qualify for the World at all and was only brought it in as a sub for Ostojiy... and then proceeded to go the furthest of any American and any EG player in the entire tourney. Scary that. Good on him.


I suppose he just gets LANs. Something about traveling, adjusting, and performing that he understands.


Yeah but he didn't do very well at USA or NA, and those were LANs too.

he is asian man. Sucks up the asian power in asia.
The top 4 all all asian... homeground advantage

I am just kidding...
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
November 18 2012 08:16 GMT
#5907
On November 18 2012 17:15 twndomn wrote:
Sen totally deserves to lose to Parting. Parting just does same all-in 3 times, your own fault for Not doing anything different to adjust, stubbornness cost Sen, not Race, not Map.

Now, who's the best Foreigner? Don't tell me Stephano, he didn't even make top 16, Naniwa didn't even make it to China.


Yeah, we totally should decide who's the best foreigner based off the results of one tournament.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Astro-Penguin
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
554 Posts
November 18 2012 08:16 GMT
#5908
On November 18 2012 17:15 twndomn wrote:
Sen totally deserves to lose to Parting. Parting just does same all-in 3 times, your own fault for Not doing anything different to adjust, stubbornness cost Sen, not Race, not Map.

Now, who's the best Foreigner? Don't tell me Stephano, he didn't even make top 16, Naniwa didn't even make it to China.


if were looking at raw skill and deriving them from games then i'd have to say Naniwa, Stephano, and Nerchio

in terms of results 100% Stephano
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17750 Posts
November 18 2012 08:16 GMT
#5909
On November 18 2012 17:14 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2012 17:11 Baroninthetree wrote:
On November 18 2012 17:06 Myrddraal wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:59 Baroninthetree wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:55 GolemMadness wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:53 Woizit wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:50 thepuppyassassin wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:48 Die4Ever wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:41 Wildmoon wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:39 BlackGosu wrote:
this is why im losing interest in sc2. no stable champions


No sport has stable champion.

Creator recently won TSL4, WCS Korea, got 4th? in WCS Asian, and is now in the finals of BWC and in the ro8 in Code S...
Leenock got 2nd place in the most recent MLG, 1st in the previous one, ro8 Code S....
Life won Code S and MLG and 2nd place TSL4
Rain won OSL, 3rd in WCS Korea, 1st WCS Asia, 3rd/4th in BWC, 3rd/4th in Code S
MVP wins pretty much everything else

no stable champions my ass, people often claim that the same guys winning all the money is preventing rising talent



What people really want is another bonjwa. It seems as if the scene is starved for one. I wonder if it will ever happen. It will definitely be a good thing if it does though..


It won't be possible for a bonjwa to rise in the scene as it is now. Unless you manage to support the entire pro scene to fly around to every single tournament around, there will always be so and so won this other big tournament when one person is dominating somewhere.


That doesn't matter. If someone consistently wins/places very high in top tournaments like GSL and MLG, it doesn't matter if someone else is winning some other tournament occasionally.

SC1 is just such a small society that makes bonjwa possible.
community like SC2 is so big that no one can dominate like SC1, not now, not ever.
We will only have consistent good player, like MVP in the past years, this will be the closest thing to a bonjwa


Since when did bonjwa dictate that the player had to win every tournament there is? I was never under the impression that the player had to even win every tournament they played to be considered, let alone every tournament that they don't play as well. Dominance can be achieved by winning most things and being a favourite to win any tournament they enter as long as they don't start slumping after a few months like they normally do.

The problem is that they can't. No body can stay dominant for long in SC2. 1 is the patch keeps on coming. And it will do for a few years. 2 is there are just too many to players now, its just hard to stay on top for long.

Takes rain for example, he really looks dominant in like 1 mth ago, then just fell behind quickly. This happens to all the others, even Life.


Most important is the amount of tournaments players play and travel to, there are simply so much more then in BW and unlike BW most are outside of Korea even.
You can't simply win all of them no one can be that dominant, and if you lose 1/2 people already call it like you have fallen off. As you now do with Life and Rain.

there's also a lot more studying of opponents, if someone is dominating, then everyone is watching their VODs, and with how much these guys play there's not as much time to come up with new stuff
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 18 2012 08:16 GMT
#5910
On November 18 2012 17:15 twndomn wrote:
Sen totally deserves to lose to Parting. Parting just does same all-in 3 times, your own fault for Not doing anything different to adjust, stubbornness cost Sen, not Race, not Map.

Now, who's the best Foreigner? Don't tell me Stephano, he didn't even make top 16, Naniwa didn't even make it to China.


Suppy #1 foreigner
WoodLeagueAllStar
Profile Joined August 2012
United States806 Posts
November 18 2012 08:16 GMT
#5911


This curse shit has gotten way out of hand Day9, please uncurse the guy he has suffered enough!
In 1984, I was hospitalized for approaching perfection. --Random Rules
Bocian
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland259 Posts
November 18 2012 08:17 GMT
#5912
On November 18 2012 17:16 Baroninthetree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2012 17:12 rauk wrote:
On November 18 2012 17:07 Baroninthetree wrote:
On November 18 2012 17:02 GolemMadness wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:59 Baroninthetree wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:55 GolemMadness wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:53 Woizit wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:50 thepuppyassassin wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:48 Die4Ever wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:41 Wildmoon wrote:
[quote]

No sport has stable champion.

Creator recently won TSL4, WCS Korea, got 4th? in WCS Asian, and is now in the finals of BWC and in the ro8 in Code S...
Leenock got 2nd place in the most recent MLG, 1st in the previous one, ro8 Code S....
Life won Code S and MLG and 2nd place TSL4
Rain won OSL, 3rd in WCS Korea, 1st WCS Asia, 3rd/4th in BWC, 3rd/4th in Code S
MVP wins pretty much everything else

no stable champions my ass, people often claim that the same guys winning all the money is preventing rising talent



What people really want is another bonjwa. It seems as if the scene is starved for one. I wonder if it will ever happen. It will definitely be a good thing if it does though..


It won't be possible for a bonjwa to rise in the scene as it is now. Unless you manage to support the entire pro scene to fly around to every single tournament around, there will always be so and so won this other big tournament when one person is dominating somewhere.


That doesn't matter. If someone consistently wins/places very high in top tournaments like GSL and MLG, it doesn't matter if someone else is winning some other tournament occasionally.

SC1 is just such a small society that makes bonjwa possible.
community like SC2 is so big that no one can dominate like SC1, not now, not ever.
We will only have consistent good player, like MVP in the past years, this will be the closest thing to a bonjwa


Koreans are the best in the world. More Koreans played Brood War. Foreigners don't come into the equation that much. What you say makes no sense.

Actually only about 100 korean played SC1 including those trainers. You can see how many in SC2 community now.
SC2 is designed to be more player friendly, less mechanics and more mind games. And i guess it works.


there were at least 150+ active pros who were kespa ranked, more than 400 amateur/semipros a lot of them living in semipro houses, plus a ton more who are just like B/B+ ranked on iccup, so not "100 korean"....

Really? Where are those active pro now. Are they even able to show their face in GM in KR serve. How active is that?
And, 400 amateur/semipros? That's exactly what i mean small community.



So you have absolutely no idea what a small community is...
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6332 Posts
November 18 2012 08:18 GMT
#5913
On November 18 2012 17:13 Goldfish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2012 17:12 ultratorr wrote:
Why is it still showing cartoons? Start already...


I think they have to follow this schedule (generally no sooner than 10 mins or so).

Set it to your local time first.

I haven't been following the tournament all the way but I remember like a 30-40 min break before a game start (it started 10 mins before the designated scheduled time).


Sen needs rest. He just played two bo5s in a row.w
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4560 Posts
November 18 2012 08:18 GMT
#5914
On November 18 2012 17:11 Huragius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2012 17:09 zefreak wrote:
On November 18 2012 17:06 Myrddraal wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:59 Baroninthetree wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:55 GolemMadness wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:53 Woizit wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:50 thepuppyassassin wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:48 Die4Ever wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:41 Wildmoon wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:39 BlackGosu wrote:
this is why im losing interest in sc2. no stable champions


No sport has stable champion.

Creator recently won TSL4, WCS Korea, got 4th? in WCS Asian, and is now in the finals of BWC and in the ro8 in Code S...
Leenock got 2nd place in the most recent MLG, 1st in the previous one, ro8 Code S....
Life won Code S and MLG and 2nd place TSL4
Rain won OSL, 3rd in WCS Korea, 1st WCS Asia, 3rd/4th in BWC, 3rd/4th in Code S
MVP wins pretty much everything else

no stable champions my ass, people often claim that the same guys winning all the money is preventing rising talent



What people really want is another bonjwa. It seems as if the scene is starved for one. I wonder if it will ever happen. It will definitely be a good thing if it does though..


It won't be possible for a bonjwa to rise in the scene as it is now. Unless you manage to support the entire pro scene to fly around to every single tournament around, there will always be so and so won this other big tournament when one person is dominating somewhere.


That doesn't matter. If someone consistently wins/places very high in top tournaments like GSL and MLG, it doesn't matter if someone else is winning some other tournament occasionally.

SC1 is just such a small society that makes bonjwa possible.
community like SC2 is so big that no one can dominate like SC1, not now, not ever.
We will only have consistent good player, like MVP in the past years, this will be the closest thing to a bonjwa


Since when did bonjwa dictate that the player had to win every tournament there is? I was never under the impression that the player had to even win every tournament they played to be considered, let alone every tournament that they don't play as well. Dominance can be achieved by winning most things and being a favourite to win any tournament they enter as long as they don't start slumping after a few months like they normally do.


Then Mvp is already a bonjwa


Oh shit, the B word. It has begun.

You afraid of a little title brah?
hi. big fan.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
November 18 2012 08:18 GMT
#5915
On November 18 2012 17:16 Baroninthetree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2012 17:12 rauk wrote:
On November 18 2012 17:07 Baroninthetree wrote:
On November 18 2012 17:02 GolemMadness wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:59 Baroninthetree wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:55 GolemMadness wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:53 Woizit wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:50 thepuppyassassin wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:48 Die4Ever wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:41 Wildmoon wrote:
[quote]

No sport has stable champion.

Creator recently won TSL4, WCS Korea, got 4th? in WCS Asian, and is now in the finals of BWC and in the ro8 in Code S...
Leenock got 2nd place in the most recent MLG, 1st in the previous one, ro8 Code S....
Life won Code S and MLG and 2nd place TSL4
Rain won OSL, 3rd in WCS Korea, 1st WCS Asia, 3rd/4th in BWC, 3rd/4th in Code S
MVP wins pretty much everything else

no stable champions my ass, people often claim that the same guys winning all the money is preventing rising talent



What people really want is another bonjwa. It seems as if the scene is starved for one. I wonder if it will ever happen. It will definitely be a good thing if it does though..


It won't be possible for a bonjwa to rise in the scene as it is now. Unless you manage to support the entire pro scene to fly around to every single tournament around, there will always be so and so won this other big tournament when one person is dominating somewhere.


That doesn't matter. If someone consistently wins/places very high in top tournaments like GSL and MLG, it doesn't matter if someone else is winning some other tournament occasionally.

SC1 is just such a small society that makes bonjwa possible.
community like SC2 is so big that no one can dominate like SC1, not now, not ever.
We will only have consistent good player, like MVP in the past years, this will be the closest thing to a bonjwa


Koreans are the best in the world. More Koreans played Brood War. Foreigners don't come into the equation that much. What you say makes no sense.

Actually only about 100 korean played SC1 including those trainers. You can see how many in SC2 community now.
SC2 is designed to be more player friendly, less mechanics and more mind games. And i guess it works.


there were at least 150+ active pros who were kespa ranked, more than 400 amateur/semipros a lot of them living in semipro houses, plus a ton more who are just like B/B+ ranked on iccup, so not "100 korean"....

Really? Where are those active pro now. Are they even able to show their face in GM in KR serve. How active is that?
And, 400 amateur/semipros? That's exactly what i mean small community.



What are you talking about? The active pros who are still actively playing are... actively playing. Do you think there are thousands of professional Starcraft 2 players in Korea or something?
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Baroninthetree
Profile Joined August 2012
United States473 Posts
November 18 2012 08:18 GMT
#5916
On November 18 2012 17:14 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2012 17:11 Baroninthetree wrote:
On November 18 2012 17:06 Myrddraal wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:59 Baroninthetree wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:55 GolemMadness wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:53 Woizit wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:50 thepuppyassassin wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:48 Die4Ever wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:41 Wildmoon wrote:
On November 18 2012 16:39 BlackGosu wrote:
this is why im losing interest in sc2. no stable champions


No sport has stable champion.

Creator recently won TSL4, WCS Korea, got 4th? in WCS Asian, and is now in the finals of BWC and in the ro8 in Code S...
Leenock got 2nd place in the most recent MLG, 1st in the previous one, ro8 Code S....
Life won Code S and MLG and 2nd place TSL4
Rain won OSL, 3rd in WCS Korea, 1st WCS Asia, 3rd/4th in BWC, 3rd/4th in Code S
MVP wins pretty much everything else

no stable champions my ass, people often claim that the same guys winning all the money is preventing rising talent



What people really want is another bonjwa. It seems as if the scene is starved for one. I wonder if it will ever happen. It will definitely be a good thing if it does though..


It won't be possible for a bonjwa to rise in the scene as it is now. Unless you manage to support the entire pro scene to fly around to every single tournament around, there will always be so and so won this other big tournament when one person is dominating somewhere.


That doesn't matter. If someone consistently wins/places very high in top tournaments like GSL and MLG, it doesn't matter if someone else is winning some other tournament occasionally.

SC1 is just such a small society that makes bonjwa possible.
community like SC2 is so big that no one can dominate like SC1, not now, not ever.
We will only have consistent good player, like MVP in the past years, this will be the closest thing to a bonjwa


Since when did bonjwa dictate that the player had to win every tournament there is? I was never under the impression that the player had to even win every tournament they played to be considered, let alone every tournament that they don't play as well. Dominance can be achieved by winning most things and being a favourite to win any tournament they enter as long as they don't start slumping after a few months like they normally do.

The problem is that they can't. No body can stay dominant for long in SC2. 1 is the patch keeps on coming. And it will do for a few years. 2 is there are just too many to players now, its just hard to stay on top for long.

Takes rain for example, he really looks dominant in like 1 mth ago, then just fell behind quickly. This happens to all the others, even Life.


Most important is the amount of tournaments players play and travel to, there are simply so much more then in BW and unlike BW most are outside of Korea even.
You can't simply win all of them no one can be that dominant, and if you lose 1/2 people already call it like you have fallen off. As you now do with Life and Rain.

Exactly, the community is so big that no one can dominant that long any more. Simple fact.
Afraid it will be a disappointment for those anger for bonjwa in SC2
TheDiversion
Profile Joined August 2011
United States36 Posts
November 18 2012 08:18 GMT
#5917
"I got Money and Hos!"
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MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
November 18 2012 08:19 GMT
#5918
On November 18 2012 17:18 TheDiversion wrote:
"I got Money and Hos!"
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Haha where the heck is that from.
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
November 18 2012 08:19 GMT
#5919
BELAY THAT ORDER
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
November 18 2012 08:19 GMT
#5920
WCS Korea: 3rd
WCS Asia: 2nd
WCS World Championship: ?
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