On November 18 2012 17:12 MCXD wrote: Speaking of Suppy, I find it remarkable that he only BARELY qualified for WCS North America, then didn't qualify for the World at all and was only brought it in as a sub for Ostojiy... and then proceeded to go the furthest of any American and any EG player in the entire tourney. Scary that. Good on him.
I suppose he just gets LANs. Something about traveling, adjusting, and performing that he understands.
Yeah but he didn't do very well at USA or NA, and those were LANs too.
On November 18 2012 16:39 BlackGosu wrote: this is why im losing interest in sc2. no stable champions
No sport has stable champion.
Creator recently won TSL4, WCS Korea, got 4th? in WCS Asian, and is now in the finals of BWC and in the ro8 in Code S... Leenock got 2nd place in the most recent MLG, 1st in the previous one, ro8 Code S.... Life won Code S and MLG and 2nd place TSL4 Rain won OSL, 3rd in WCS Korea, 1st WCS Asia, 3rd/4th in BWC, 3rd/4th in Code S MVP wins pretty much everything else
no stable champions my ass, people often claim that the same guys winning all the money is preventing rising talent
What people really want is another bonjwa. It seems as if the scene is starved for one. I wonder if it will ever happen. It will definitely be a good thing if it does though..
It won't be possible for a bonjwa to rise in the scene as it is now. Unless you manage to support the entire pro scene to fly around to every single tournament around, there will always be so and so won this other big tournament when one person is dominating somewhere.
That doesn't matter. If someone consistently wins/places very high in top tournaments like GSL and MLG, it doesn't matter if someone else is winning some other tournament occasionally.
SC1 is just such a small society that makes bonjwa possible. community like SC2 is so big that no one can dominate like SC1, not now, not ever. We will only have consistent good player, like MVP in the past years, this will be the closest thing to a bonjwa
Since when did bonjwa dictate that the player had to win every tournament there is? I was never under the impression that the player had to even win every tournament they played to be considered, let alone every tournament that they don't play as well. Dominance can be achieved by winning most things and being a favourite to win any tournament they enter as long as they don't start slumping after a few months like they normally do.
Then Mvp is already a bonjwa
Yeah, if not. He's the closest thing that will ever get.
Yes, you really know this two years into the game.
Sen totally deserves to lose to Parting. Parting just does same all-in 3 times, your own fault for Not doing anything different to adjust, stubbornness cost Sen, not Race, not Map.
Now, who's the best Foreigner? Don't tell me Stephano, he didn't even make top 16, Naniwa didn't even make it to China.
On November 18 2012 16:39 BlackGosu wrote: this is why im losing interest in sc2. no stable champions
No sport has stable champion.
Creator recently won TSL4, WCS Korea, got 4th? in WCS Asian, and is now in the finals of BWC and in the ro8 in Code S... Leenock got 2nd place in the most recent MLG, 1st in the previous one, ro8 Code S.... Life won Code S and MLG and 2nd place TSL4 Rain won OSL, 3rd in WCS Korea, 1st WCS Asia, 3rd/4th in BWC, 3rd/4th in Code S MVP wins pretty much everything else
no stable champions my ass, people often claim that the same guys winning all the money is preventing rising talent
What people really want is another bonjwa. It seems as if the scene is starved for one. I wonder if it will ever happen. It will definitely be a good thing if it does though..
It won't be possible for a bonjwa to rise in the scene as it is now. Unless you manage to support the entire pro scene to fly around to every single tournament around, there will always be so and so won this other big tournament when one person is dominating somewhere.
That doesn't matter. If someone consistently wins/places very high in top tournaments like GSL and MLG, it doesn't matter if someone else is winning some other tournament occasionally.
SC1 is just such a small society that makes bonjwa possible. community like SC2 is so big that no one can dominate like SC1, not now, not ever. We will only have consistent good player, like MVP in the past years, this will be the closest thing to a bonjwa
Koreans are the best in the world. More Koreans played Brood War. Foreigners don't come into the equation that much. What you say makes no sense.
Actually only about 100 korean played SC1 including those trainers. You can see how many in SC2 community now. SC2 is designed to be more player friendly, less mechanics and more mind games. And i guess it works.
there were at least 150+ active pros who were kespa ranked, more than 400 amateur/semipros a lot of them living in semipro houses, plus a ton more who are just like B/B+ ranked on iccup, so not "100 korean"....
Really? Where are those active pro now. Are they even able to show their face in GM in KR serve. How active is that? And, 400 amateur/semipros? That's exactly what i mean small community.
On November 18 2012 17:12 MCXD wrote: Speaking of Suppy, I find it remarkable that he only BARELY qualified for WCS North America, then didn't qualify for the World at all and was only brought it in as a sub for Ostojiy... and then proceeded to go the furthest of any American and any EG player in the entire tourney. Scary that. Good on him.
I suppose he just gets LANs. Something about traveling, adjusting, and performing that he understands.
Yeah but he didn't do very well at USA or NA, and those were LANs too.
he is asian man. Sucks up the asian power in asia. The top 4 all all asian... homeground advantage
On November 18 2012 17:15 twndomn wrote: Sen totally deserves to lose to Parting. Parting just does same all-in 3 times, your own fault for Not doing anything different to adjust, stubbornness cost Sen, not Race, not Map.
Now, who's the best Foreigner? Don't tell me Stephano, he didn't even make top 16, Naniwa didn't even make it to China.
Yeah, we totally should decide who's the best foreigner based off the results of one tournament.
On November 18 2012 17:15 twndomn wrote: Sen totally deserves to lose to Parting. Parting just does same all-in 3 times, your own fault for Not doing anything different to adjust, stubbornness cost Sen, not Race, not Map.
Now, who's the best Foreigner? Don't tell me Stephano, he didn't even make top 16, Naniwa didn't even make it to China.
if were looking at raw skill and deriving them from games then i'd have to say Naniwa, Stephano, and Nerchio
On November 18 2012 16:39 BlackGosu wrote: this is why im losing interest in sc2. no stable champions
No sport has stable champion.
Creator recently won TSL4, WCS Korea, got 4th? in WCS Asian, and is now in the finals of BWC and in the ro8 in Code S... Leenock got 2nd place in the most recent MLG, 1st in the previous one, ro8 Code S.... Life won Code S and MLG and 2nd place TSL4 Rain won OSL, 3rd in WCS Korea, 1st WCS Asia, 3rd/4th in BWC, 3rd/4th in Code S MVP wins pretty much everything else
no stable champions my ass, people often claim that the same guys winning all the money is preventing rising talent
What people really want is another bonjwa. It seems as if the scene is starved for one. I wonder if it will ever happen. It will definitely be a good thing if it does though..
It won't be possible for a bonjwa to rise in the scene as it is now. Unless you manage to support the entire pro scene to fly around to every single tournament around, there will always be so and so won this other big tournament when one person is dominating somewhere.
That doesn't matter. If someone consistently wins/places very high in top tournaments like GSL and MLG, it doesn't matter if someone else is winning some other tournament occasionally.
SC1 is just such a small society that makes bonjwa possible. community like SC2 is so big that no one can dominate like SC1, not now, not ever. We will only have consistent good player, like MVP in the past years, this will be the closest thing to a bonjwa
Since when did bonjwa dictate that the player had to win every tournament there is? I was never under the impression that the player had to even win every tournament they played to be considered, let alone every tournament that they don't play as well. Dominance can be achieved by winning most things and being a favourite to win any tournament they enter as long as they don't start slumping after a few months like they normally do.
The problem is that they can't. No body can stay dominant for long in SC2. 1 is the patch keeps on coming. And it will do for a few years. 2 is there are just too many to players now, its just hard to stay on top for long.
Takes rain for example, he really looks dominant in like 1 mth ago, then just fell behind quickly. This happens to all the others, even Life.
Most important is the amount of tournaments players play and travel to, there are simply so much more then in BW and unlike BW most are outside of Korea even. You can't simply win all of them no one can be that dominant, and if you lose 1/2 people already call it like you have fallen off. As you now do with Life and Rain.
there's also a lot more studying of opponents, if someone is dominating, then everyone is watching their VODs, and with how much these guys play there's not as much time to come up with new stuff
On November 18 2012 17:15 twndomn wrote: Sen totally deserves to lose to Parting. Parting just does same all-in 3 times, your own fault for Not doing anything different to adjust, stubbornness cost Sen, not Race, not Map.
Now, who's the best Foreigner? Don't tell me Stephano, he didn't even make top 16, Naniwa didn't even make it to China.
Creator recently won TSL4, WCS Korea, got 4th? in WCS Asian, and is now in the finals of BWC and in the ro8 in Code S... Leenock got 2nd place in the most recent MLG, 1st in the previous one, ro8 Code S.... Life won Code S and MLG and 2nd place TSL4 Rain won OSL, 3rd in WCS Korea, 1st WCS Asia, 3rd/4th in BWC, 3rd/4th in Code S MVP wins pretty much everything else
no stable champions my ass, people often claim that the same guys winning all the money is preventing rising talent
What people really want is another bonjwa. It seems as if the scene is starved for one. I wonder if it will ever happen. It will definitely be a good thing if it does though..
It won't be possible for a bonjwa to rise in the scene as it is now. Unless you manage to support the entire pro scene to fly around to every single tournament around, there will always be so and so won this other big tournament when one person is dominating somewhere.
That doesn't matter. If someone consistently wins/places very high in top tournaments like GSL and MLG, it doesn't matter if someone else is winning some other tournament occasionally.
SC1 is just such a small society that makes bonjwa possible. community like SC2 is so big that no one can dominate like SC1, not now, not ever. We will only have consistent good player, like MVP in the past years, this will be the closest thing to a bonjwa
Koreans are the best in the world. More Koreans played Brood War. Foreigners don't come into the equation that much. What you say makes no sense.
Actually only about 100 korean played SC1 including those trainers. You can see how many in SC2 community now. SC2 is designed to be more player friendly, less mechanics and more mind games. And i guess it works.
there were at least 150+ active pros who were kespa ranked, more than 400 amateur/semipros a lot of them living in semipro houses, plus a ton more who are just like B/B+ ranked on iccup, so not "100 korean"....
Really? Where are those active pro now. Are they even able to show their face in GM in KR serve. How active is that? And, 400 amateur/semipros? That's exactly what i mean small community.
So you have absolutely no idea what a small community is...
I haven't been following the tournament all the way but I remember like a 30-40 min break before a game start (it started 10 mins before the designated scheduled time).
Sen needs rest. He just played two bo5s in a row.w
On November 18 2012 16:39 BlackGosu wrote: this is why im losing interest in sc2. no stable champions
No sport has stable champion.
Creator recently won TSL4, WCS Korea, got 4th? in WCS Asian, and is now in the finals of BWC and in the ro8 in Code S... Leenock got 2nd place in the most recent MLG, 1st in the previous one, ro8 Code S.... Life won Code S and MLG and 2nd place TSL4 Rain won OSL, 3rd in WCS Korea, 1st WCS Asia, 3rd/4th in BWC, 3rd/4th in Code S MVP wins pretty much everything else
no stable champions my ass, people often claim that the same guys winning all the money is preventing rising talent
What people really want is another bonjwa. It seems as if the scene is starved for one. I wonder if it will ever happen. It will definitely be a good thing if it does though..
It won't be possible for a bonjwa to rise in the scene as it is now. Unless you manage to support the entire pro scene to fly around to every single tournament around, there will always be so and so won this other big tournament when one person is dominating somewhere.
That doesn't matter. If someone consistently wins/places very high in top tournaments like GSL and MLG, it doesn't matter if someone else is winning some other tournament occasionally.
SC1 is just such a small society that makes bonjwa possible. community like SC2 is so big that no one can dominate like SC1, not now, not ever. We will only have consistent good player, like MVP in the past years, this will be the closest thing to a bonjwa
Since when did bonjwa dictate that the player had to win every tournament there is? I was never under the impression that the player had to even win every tournament they played to be considered, let alone every tournament that they don't play as well. Dominance can be achieved by winning most things and being a favourite to win any tournament they enter as long as they don't start slumping after a few months like they normally do.
Creator recently won TSL4, WCS Korea, got 4th? in WCS Asian, and is now in the finals of BWC and in the ro8 in Code S... Leenock got 2nd place in the most recent MLG, 1st in the previous one, ro8 Code S.... Life won Code S and MLG and 2nd place TSL4 Rain won OSL, 3rd in WCS Korea, 1st WCS Asia, 3rd/4th in BWC, 3rd/4th in Code S MVP wins pretty much everything else
no stable champions my ass, people often claim that the same guys winning all the money is preventing rising talent
What people really want is another bonjwa. It seems as if the scene is starved for one. I wonder if it will ever happen. It will definitely be a good thing if it does though..
It won't be possible for a bonjwa to rise in the scene as it is now. Unless you manage to support the entire pro scene to fly around to every single tournament around, there will always be so and so won this other big tournament when one person is dominating somewhere.
That doesn't matter. If someone consistently wins/places very high in top tournaments like GSL and MLG, it doesn't matter if someone else is winning some other tournament occasionally.
SC1 is just such a small society that makes bonjwa possible. community like SC2 is so big that no one can dominate like SC1, not now, not ever. We will only have consistent good player, like MVP in the past years, this will be the closest thing to a bonjwa
Koreans are the best in the world. More Koreans played Brood War. Foreigners don't come into the equation that much. What you say makes no sense.
Actually only about 100 korean played SC1 including those trainers. You can see how many in SC2 community now. SC2 is designed to be more player friendly, less mechanics and more mind games. And i guess it works.
there were at least 150+ active pros who were kespa ranked, more than 400 amateur/semipros a lot of them living in semipro houses, plus a ton more who are just like B/B+ ranked on iccup, so not "100 korean"....
Really? Where are those active pro now. Are they even able to show their face in GM in KR serve. How active is that? And, 400 amateur/semipros? That's exactly what i mean small community.
What are you talking about? The active pros who are still actively playing are... actively playing. Do you think there are thousands of professional Starcraft 2 players in Korea or something?
On November 18 2012 16:39 BlackGosu wrote: this is why im losing interest in sc2. no stable champions
No sport has stable champion.
Creator recently won TSL4, WCS Korea, got 4th? in WCS Asian, and is now in the finals of BWC and in the ro8 in Code S... Leenock got 2nd place in the most recent MLG, 1st in the previous one, ro8 Code S.... Life won Code S and MLG and 2nd place TSL4 Rain won OSL, 3rd in WCS Korea, 1st WCS Asia, 3rd/4th in BWC, 3rd/4th in Code S MVP wins pretty much everything else
no stable champions my ass, people often claim that the same guys winning all the money is preventing rising talent
What people really want is another bonjwa. It seems as if the scene is starved for one. I wonder if it will ever happen. It will definitely be a good thing if it does though..
It won't be possible for a bonjwa to rise in the scene as it is now. Unless you manage to support the entire pro scene to fly around to every single tournament around, there will always be so and so won this other big tournament when one person is dominating somewhere.
That doesn't matter. If someone consistently wins/places very high in top tournaments like GSL and MLG, it doesn't matter if someone else is winning some other tournament occasionally.
SC1 is just such a small society that makes bonjwa possible. community like SC2 is so big that no one can dominate like SC1, not now, not ever. We will only have consistent good player, like MVP in the past years, this will be the closest thing to a bonjwa
Since when did bonjwa dictate that the player had to win every tournament there is? I was never under the impression that the player had to even win every tournament they played to be considered, let alone every tournament that they don't play as well. Dominance can be achieved by winning most things and being a favourite to win any tournament they enter as long as they don't start slumping after a few months like they normally do.
The problem is that they can't. No body can stay dominant for long in SC2. 1 is the patch keeps on coming. And it will do for a few years. 2 is there are just too many to players now, its just hard to stay on top for long.
Takes rain for example, he really looks dominant in like 1 mth ago, then just fell behind quickly. This happens to all the others, even Life.
Most important is the amount of tournaments players play and travel to, there are simply so much more then in BW and unlike BW most are outside of Korea even. You can't simply win all of them no one can be that dominant, and if you lose 1/2 people already call it like you have fallen off. As you now do with Life and Rain.
Exactly, the community is so big that no one can dominant that long any more. Simple fact. Afraid it will be a disappointment for those anger for bonjwa in SC2
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