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On November 18 2012 17:21 WindWolf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 17:19 Fionn wrote:
WCS Korea: 3rd
WCS Asia: 2nd
WCS World Championship: ? 1st, now that the kong curse has been broken.
only by a zenex player ^^
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On November 18 2012 17:21 WindWolf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 17:19 Fionn wrote:
WCS Korea: 3rd
WCS Asia: 2nd
WCS World Championship: ? 1st, now that the kong curse has been broken.
Life said himself that he was Zenex so the curse never applied. Startale still cursed as Bomber showed at LSC2
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Creator... I hope you win...
I like Creator but I also hope he wins for Prime because, if they are really in financial trouble like it comes across to the public, this win could really help them.
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I was planning to stay up and watch everything, but they have finals starting at 5:00 EST, and the 3rd/4th match which was going to start at 3:00 AM hasn't even begun.
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Please start soon, stream is losing viewers fast
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On November 18 2012 17:21 farnham wrote:
Pvp finals is the worst you can have... Ill prob skip it.
PvP now is a lot better than ZvZ, imo
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On November 18 2012 17:21 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 17:18 Baroninthetree wrote:On November 18 2012 17:14 Lysanias wrote:On November 18 2012 17:11 Baroninthetree wrote:On November 18 2012 17:06 Myrddraal wrote:On November 18 2012 16:59 Baroninthetree wrote:On November 18 2012 16:55 GolemMadness wrote:On November 18 2012 16:53 Woizit wrote:On November 18 2012 16:50 thepuppyassassin wrote:On November 18 2012 16:48 Die4Ever wrote:
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Creator recently won TSL4, WCS Korea, got 4th? in WCS Asian, and is now in the finals of BWC and in the ro8 in Code S...
Leenock got 2nd place in the most recent MLG, 1st in the previous one, ro8 Code S....
Life won Code S and MLG and 2nd place TSL4
Rain won OSL, 3rd in WCS Korea, 1st WCS Asia, 3rd/4th in BWC, 3rd/4th in Code S
MVP wins pretty much everything else
no stable champions my ass, people often claim that the same guys winning all the money is preventing rising talent What people really want is another bonjwa. It seems as if the scene is starved for one. I wonder if it will ever happen. It will definitely be a good thing if it does though.. It won't be possible for a bonjwa to rise in the scene as it is now. Unless you manage to support the entire pro scene to fly around to every single tournament around, there will always be so and so won this other big tournament when one person is dominating somewhere. That doesn't matter. If someone consistently wins/places very high in top tournaments like GSL and MLG, it doesn't matter if someone else is winning some other tournament occasionally. SC1 is just such a small society that makes bonjwa possible. community like SC2 is so big that no one can dominate like SC1, not now, not ever. We will only have consistent good player, like MVP in the past years, this will be the closest thing to a bonjwa Since when did bonjwa dictate that the player had to win every tournament there is? I was never under the impression that the player had to even win every tournament they played to be considered, let alone every tournament that they don't play as well. Dominance can be achieved by winning most things and being a favourite to win any tournament they enter as long as they don't start slumping after a few months like they normally do. The problem is that they can't. No body can stay dominant for long in SC2. 1 is the patch keeps on coming. And it will do for a few years. 2 is there are just too many to players now, its just hard to stay on top for long. Takes rain for example, he really looks dominant in like 1 mth ago, then just fell behind quickly. This happens to all the others, even Life. Most important is the amount of tournaments players play and travel to, there are simply so much more then in BW and unlike BW most are outside of Korea even. You can't simply win all of them no one can be that dominant, and if you lose 1/2 people already call it like you have fallen off. As you now do with Life and Rain. Exactly, the community is so big that no one can dominant that long any more. Simple fact. Afraid it will be a disappointment for those anger for bonjwa in SC2 2011 Mvp is the closest thing we will ever get to Bonjwa I think ;o Unless the game changes enough in the expansions so that more skilled players can always win.
As of right now the champions I saw are always more skilled player.. That's why Mvp made it to the final of GSL like 6 times. A winner of tournament is so predictable these day.
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On November 18 2012 17:23 Mysticesper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 17:21 farnham wrote:
Pvp finals is the worst you can have... Ill prob skip it. PvP now is a lot better than ZvZ, imo
Actualy it's not imo.
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On November 18 2012 17:23 yawnoC wrote:
Creator... I hope you win...
I like Creator but I also hope he wins for Prime because, if they are really in financial trouble like it comes across to the public, this win could really help them.
Insiders have said that they are 'passable' financially. They would really like more money, but they aren't quite as bad off as they make out.
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On November 18 2012 17:21 farnham wrote:
Pvp finals is the worst you can have... Ill prob skip it.
Well I sure won't, no reason to come all this way for naught.
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On November 18 2012 17:18 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 17:16 Baroninthetree wrote:On November 18 2012 17:12 rauk wrote:On November 18 2012 17:07 Baroninthetree wrote:On November 18 2012 17:02 GolemMadness wrote:On November 18 2012 16:59 Baroninthetree wrote:On November 18 2012 16:55 GolemMadness wrote:On November 18 2012 16:53 Woizit wrote:On November 18 2012 16:50 thepuppyassassin wrote:On November 18 2012 16:48 Die4Ever wrote:
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Creator recently won TSL4, WCS Korea, got 4th? in WCS Asian, and is now in the finals of BWC and in the ro8 in Code S...
Leenock got 2nd place in the most recent MLG, 1st in the previous one, ro8 Code S....
Life won Code S and MLG and 2nd place TSL4
Rain won OSL, 3rd in WCS Korea, 1st WCS Asia, 3rd/4th in BWC, 3rd/4th in Code S
MVP wins pretty much everything else
no stable champions my ass, people often claim that the same guys winning all the money is preventing rising talent What people really want is another bonjwa. It seems as if the scene is starved for one. I wonder if it will ever happen. It will definitely be a good thing if it does though.. It won't be possible for a bonjwa to rise in the scene as it is now. Unless you manage to support the entire pro scene to fly around to every single tournament around, there will always be so and so won this other big tournament when one person is dominating somewhere. That doesn't matter. If someone consistently wins/places very high in top tournaments like GSL and MLG, it doesn't matter if someone else is winning some other tournament occasionally. SC1 is just such a small society that makes bonjwa possible. community like SC2 is so big that no one can dominate like SC1, not now, not ever. We will only have consistent good player, like MVP in the past years, this will be the closest thing to a bonjwa Koreans are the best in the world. More Koreans played Brood War. Foreigners don't come into the equation that much. What you say makes no sense. Actually only about 100 korean played SC1 including those trainers. You can see how many in SC2 community now. SC2 is designed to be more player friendly, less mechanics and more mind games. And i guess it works. there were at least 150+ active pros who were kespa ranked, more than 400 amateur/semipros a lot of them living in semipro houses, plus a ton more who are just like B/B+ ranked on iccup, so not "100 korean".... Really? Where are those active pro now. Are they even able to show their face in GM in KR serve. How active is that? And, 400 amateur/semipros? That's exactly what i mean small community. What are you talking about? The active pros who are still actively playing are... actively playing. Do you think there are thousands of professional Starcraft 2 players in Korea or something?
ok you won, SC1 community is so big. nice dream
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On November 18 2012 17:23 Mysticesper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 17:21 farnham wrote:
Pvp finals is the worst you can have... Ill prob skip it. PvP now is a lot better than ZvZ, imo
They are about equally good, and both a lot better than they used to be.
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if day9 curse still has some power, sen is winning tghis match:D
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On November 18 2012 17:24 Baroninthetree wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 17:18 GolemMadness wrote:On November 18 2012 17:16 Baroninthetree wrote:On November 18 2012 17:12 rauk wrote:On November 18 2012 17:07 Baroninthetree wrote:On November 18 2012 17:02 GolemMadness wrote:On November 18 2012 16:59 Baroninthetree wrote:On November 18 2012 16:55 GolemMadness wrote:On November 18 2012 16:53 Woizit wrote:On November 18 2012 16:50 thepuppyassassin wrote:
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What people really want is another bonjwa. It seems as if the scene is starved for one. I wonder if it will ever happen. It will definitely be a good thing if it does though.. It won't be possible for a bonjwa to rise in the scene as it is now. Unless you manage to support the entire pro scene to fly around to every single tournament around, there will always be so and so won this other big tournament when one person is dominating somewhere. That doesn't matter. If someone consistently wins/places very high in top tournaments like GSL and MLG, it doesn't matter if someone else is winning some other tournament occasionally. SC1 is just such a small society that makes bonjwa possible. community like SC2 is so big that no one can dominate like SC1, not now, not ever. We will only have consistent good player, like MVP in the past years, this will be the closest thing to a bonjwa Koreans are the best in the world. More Koreans played Brood War. Foreigners don't come into the equation that much. What you say makes no sense. Actually only about 100 korean played SC1 including those trainers. You can see how many in SC2 community now. SC2 is designed to be more player friendly, less mechanics and more mind games. And i guess it works. there were at least 150+ active pros who were kespa ranked, more than 400 amateur/semipros a lot of them living in semipro houses, plus a ton more who are just like B/B+ ranked on iccup, so not "100 korean".... Really? Where are those active pro now. Are they even able to show their face in GM in KR serve. How active is that? And, 400 amateur/semipros? That's exactly what i mean small community. What are you talking about? The active pros who are still actively playing are... actively playing. Do you think there are thousands of professional Starcraft 2 players in Korea or something? ok you won, SC1 community is so big. nice dream
Nobody's saying that it is right now.....?
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On November 18 2012 17:21 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 17:19 palexhur wrote:On November 18 2012 17:16 Baroninthetree wrote:On November 18 2012 17:12 rauk wrote:On November 18 2012 17:07 Baroninthetree wrote:On November 18 2012 17:02 GolemMadness wrote:On November 18 2012 16:59 Baroninthetree wrote:On November 18 2012 16:55 GolemMadness wrote:On November 18 2012 16:53 Woizit wrote:On November 18 2012 16:50 thepuppyassassin wrote:
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What people really want is another bonjwa. It seems as if the scene is starved for one. I wonder if it will ever happen. It will definitely be a good thing if it does though.. It won't be possible for a bonjwa to rise in the scene as it is now. Unless you manage to support the entire pro scene to fly around to every single tournament around, there will always be so and so won this other big tournament when one person is dominating somewhere. That doesn't matter. If someone consistently wins/places very high in top tournaments like GSL and MLG, it doesn't matter if someone else is winning some other tournament occasionally. SC1 is just such a small society that makes bonjwa possible. community like SC2 is so big that no one can dominate like SC1, not now, not ever. We will only have consistent good player, like MVP in the past years, this will be the closest thing to a bonjwa Koreans are the best in the world. More Koreans played Brood War. Foreigners don't come into the equation that much. What you say makes no sense. Actually only about 100 korean played SC1 including those trainers. You can see how many in SC2 community now. SC2 is designed to be more player friendly, less mechanics and more mind games. And i guess it works. there were at least 150+ active pros who were kespa ranked, more than 400 amateur/semipros a lot of them living in semipro houses, plus a ton more who are just like B/B+ ranked on iccup, so not "100 korean".... Really? Where are those active pro now. Are they even able to show their face in GM in KR serve. How active is that? And, 400 amateur/semipros? That's exactly what i mean small community. OMG, dont be stubborn, in Korea BW was and even now is more popular that SC2 is going to be in its whole life, (of course now there isnt pro BW), so your point is wrong and uninfomed As much as you are correct about BW before, you can't actualy predict the future and where Sc2 is going to be compared to a game that has no TV pro scene anymore.
So you think that SC2 is going to pick up the korean fan Interest just like from no where? please... LoL is now the king in Korea, SC2 is a niche game in Korea, even the Kespa transition didnt change that, and you are telling me that suddenly SC2 is going to have BW popularity in its peak or even now???. I am out of this discussion, let the people comment about the final games.
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In other news LG-IM just knocked EG out of the tournament for World of Warcraft
EG CURSE
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On November 18 2012 17:24 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 17:23 Mysticesper wrote:On November 18 2012 17:21 farnham wrote:
Pvp finals is the worst you can have... Ill prob skip it. PvP now is a lot better than ZvZ, imo Actualy it's not imo.
imo is
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On November 18 2012 17:26 Dodgin wrote:
In other news LG-IM just knocked EG out of the tournament for World of Warcraft
EG CURSE
Are LG-IM in the finals??
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It's mindboggling to me how Blizzard are actually one of the worst tournament organizers when it comes to stream quality and schedules...
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On November 18 2012 17:26 Laryleprakon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 17:26 Dodgin wrote:
In other news LG-IM just knocked EG out of the tournament for World of Warcraft
EG CURSE Are LG-IM in the finals??
No it was the lower bracket 3rd/4th place match or something.
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