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On October 10 2012 22:08 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 22:07 FakeDeath wrote:On October 10 2012 22:01 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 21:50 TheBB wrote:On October 10 2012 21:41 humblegar wrote:
Second game he was fine and perhaps ahead until he lowered that depot. He looked shaken after that game. I think he could have used someone there to back him up? This is a good point. Hero and Taeja are great players, but Liquid could really use some kind of support system over there. They tear through groups like nobody's business, but they tend to fall in the matches. Well, Hero and Taeja also travel a lot more than Mvp and Life. If you want to compare Taeja's and Mvp's style, it seems Taeja is more technique based where he just macro and micros. Which is superb for weekend style tournaments like MLGs, DH and such. But in terms of preparation, I think Mvp's build just seemed to be that much tighter and specific. I know a lot of people are upset by Mvp pulling his SCVs but you really have to have a pretty good understanding of what you have and what your opponent has before you can make such decisions. Again, Taeja has made Ro8 and Ro4s in GSL so it is not like he is BAD in preparation. But Mvp really shows his strength here. Honestly speaking,Taeja and MVP style is very similar. Just that MVP has the better preparation builds planned out for each of his opponent and usually has the better decision making than Taeja. Taeja also doesn't have MVP sick game sense. i think stylistically they're pretty different o.O Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 22:08 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 22:02 transcendent one wrote:On October 10 2012 21:29 TeeTS wrote:On October 10 2012 21:25 snafoo wrote:On October 10 2012 21:23 WardenSC wrote:
life's so sick.. who would've guessed taeja would go out getting 0-3ed lol
Also I feel life's right on the ball when he says MVP is not really good at actual game itself but he's so good at planning for a BO7. That is why I expect MVP to win the final :D I don't even really understand that, he crushed Symbol straight up in Ro8 without even using any mindgames afaik. Well MVP is not exceptional strong mechanically. He wins his games through strategy but even more through decision making. He does not have crazy micro and macro skills like fellow Terrans Taeja, Byun or Marineking, but he knows how to solve problems he's facing much better than anyone else. This will be definately an interesting finals. On one hand we have the incredible gifted Life with the best mechanics we have ever seen from a Zerg player (sry DRG, but this is it!) and on the other hand MVP with his great preparation and decision making. Could make up for a great finals but could be very one sided either way too. where do people get this "he's not exceptionally good at mechanics"? he was up 30 supply vs symbol without even an engagement in the quarterfinals in one of the games, and outmacroed one of the best zergs in the world heavily, you know, symbol who all killed like 3 teams in gstl. he never ever lost by being outmacroed... also i remember plenty of crazy micro feats from MVP and crazy multi pronged harassment. His mechanics are pretty damn strong. Yes, I think people just saw MKP having better micro and Bomber having better macro but did not consider that both these players sacrificed the other. Mvp was always able to balance the 2. He would sacrifice one or the other depending on the situation. mkp actually has excellent macro and micro, but dies on mentality haha ;p
yea exactly. MKP's macro is insanely good. I think to be a code S player as of now you need insane mechanics as a terran, so the gap between the macro abilities is much less than a year ago. Most of his losses come out of the opponents abusing the hell out of his arrogance- not scouting, not walling in, going the greediest builds possible blindly- and after 1-2 lost matches he always breaks mentally. Strictly in the aspect of mechanics I think he is close to MVP but with a much less of a winner's attitude.
I don't know about bomber though, he's good but haven't seen many games of him and he always lost those to players he shouldn't have (at least in my opinion), I remember his macro was crazy a year ago but now that's not enough that's for sure
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This is actually not so bad for Rain. Now he doesn't have to prepare for 2 finals (and possibly losing both).
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On October 10 2012 22:20 Garnet wrote:
This is actually not so bad for Rain. Now he doesn't have to prepare for 2 finals (and possibly losing both).
He's also going to China for WCS Asia like, tomorrow. It's less on his plate for sure.
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On October 10 2012 22:15 Peacecrafts wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 21:43 renaissanceMAN wrote:
I would agree with you until seed became a GSL champion, losira came close to two all-kills, and yongwha has already had two all-kills this season.
IM - the greatest ever? Yankees of SC2? Maybe in terms of Championships. However, we all know who the real Yankee is in SC2, the one that buys all "best" players.
Funny thing is, all of IM's players are 'home-grown'. Even players like First 'transferred' over after retiring from BW. I know IM's coach gets a lot of flack in team leagues but that dude knows what he is doing.
IM is more like the current Barcalona team where they just have an embarrassment of riches. And that their '2nd tier' players would be stars on almost any other team.
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On October 10 2012 22:19 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 22:17 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 22:13 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 22:10 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 22:06 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 22:03 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 21:58 Azzur wrote:On October 10 2012 21:53 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 21:41 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 21:39 red4ce wrote:
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Thankfully for the opposition, coach Kang will make sure to level the playing field with his lineup choices. Unfortunately for the opposition, It's really hard to make bad choices for team league when almost every single one of your players is insanely good. lol, wait till we see the True, dreamertt, horror, Ready, Nestea line-up!!! The funny thing is, even that line up is not THAT bad. Unfortunately for the rest of all the non LG-IM players, coach Kang's lineup choices means he has built a strong team of motivated players who in turn help bolster his stars - which is why LG-IM wins championships. I would love a ST vs IM match where each teams sends 5-6 players to play round robin and then add up the scores. Winners league just don't do this justice because so many players on both sides are capable of all kills that 5-0 for either side still doesn't mean much. I would absolutely love to see a bo9 proleague format with ace match between LGIM and ST, maybe GOM could do it as part of a year end event or something. would be a lot of fun. Would be nice but I still like round robin. Because even in Bo9 PL format, the matchups end up playing a pretty big role. I was thinking they would pre-determine the matchups to make them the most exciting to watch Mvp vs Squirtle Seed vs Bomber NesTea vs Hack Yonghwa vs Curious First vs Life Yoda vs Parting something like that, but with 9 matches. yeah it wouldn't show " who is the best team " but it would provide some great entertainment. I think that is a bit skewed for ST since you have Nestea v T, Bomber v P, First v Z, Parting vT. Although I think Yonghwa vs Curious would be very interesting. 2 'almost' great players who get overshadowed by their more famous teammates. I tried to avoid matching up PvZ ( not including life cause he crazy ) and PvP, but yeah it could be changed around a bit. maybe Losira vs Bomber instead of Seed, but I don't know who to match up Seed with otherwise.
My main issue is it should clearly be Happy instead of Yoda!  Happy is better in team leagues, and has superior results, even if Yoda is the practice bonjwa.
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On October 10 2012 22:19 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 22:17 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 22:13 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 22:10 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 22:06 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 22:03 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 21:58 Azzur wrote:On October 10 2012 21:53 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 21:41 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 21:39 red4ce wrote:
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Thankfully for the opposition, coach Kang will make sure to level the playing field with his lineup choices. Unfortunately for the opposition, It's really hard to make bad choices for team league when almost every single one of your players is insanely good. lol, wait till we see the True, dreamertt, horror, Ready, Nestea line-up!!! The funny thing is, even that line up is not THAT bad. Unfortunately for the rest of all the non LG-IM players, coach Kang's lineup choices means he has built a strong team of motivated players who in turn help bolster his stars - which is why LG-IM wins championships. I would love a ST vs IM match where each teams sends 5-6 players to play round robin and then add up the scores. Winners league just don't do this justice because so many players on both sides are capable of all kills that 5-0 for either side still doesn't mean much. I would absolutely love to see a bo9 proleague format with ace match between LGIM and ST, maybe GOM could do it as part of a year end event or something. would be a lot of fun. Would be nice but I still like round robin. Because even in Bo9 PL format, the matchups end up playing a pretty big role. I was thinking they would pre-determine the matchups to make them the most exciting to watch Mvp vs Squirtle Seed vs Bomber NesTea vs Hack Yonghwa vs Curious First vs Life Yoda vs Parting something like that, but with 9 matches. yeah it wouldn't show " who is the best team " but it would provide some great entertainment. I think that is a bit skewed for ST since you have Nestea v T, Bomber v P, First v Z, Parting vT. Although I think Yonghwa vs Curious would be very interesting. 2 'almost' great players who get overshadowed by their more famous teammates. I tried to avoid matching up PvZ ( not including life cause he crazy ) and PvP, but yeah it could be changed around a bit. maybe Losira vs Bomber instead of Seed, but I don't know who to match up Seed with otherwise.
mvp-squirtle (best players in each team)
life-yonghwa (excellent players who only just broke out)
seed-parting (both charismatic protosses)
nestea-july (zergs who have seen better days)
losira-bomber (both who used to look like saviours for their team, but less strong lately)
happy-hack (#2 terrans on each team)
yoda-curious (fairly stable mainstays for each team)
etc
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On October 10 2012 22:22 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 22:19 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 22:17 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 22:13 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 22:10 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 22:06 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 22:03 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 21:58 Azzur wrote:On October 10 2012 21:53 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 21:41 Dodgin wrote:
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Unfortunately for the opposition, It's really hard to make bad choices for team league when almost every single one of your players is insanely good. lol, wait till we see the True, dreamertt, horror, Ready, Nestea line-up!!! The funny thing is, even that line up is not THAT bad. Unfortunately for the rest of all the non LG-IM players, coach Kang's lineup choices means he has built a strong team of motivated players who in turn help bolster his stars - which is why LG-IM wins championships. I would love a ST vs IM match where each teams sends 5-6 players to play round robin and then add up the scores. Winners league just don't do this justice because so many players on both sides are capable of all kills that 5-0 for either side still doesn't mean much. I would absolutely love to see a bo9 proleague format with ace match between LGIM and ST, maybe GOM could do it as part of a year end event or something. would be a lot of fun. Would be nice but I still like round robin. Because even in Bo9 PL format, the matchups end up playing a pretty big role. I was thinking they would pre-determine the matchups to make them the most exciting to watch Mvp vs Squirtle Seed vs Bomber NesTea vs Hack Yonghwa vs Curious First vs Life Yoda vs Parting something like that, but with 9 matches. yeah it wouldn't show " who is the best team " but it would provide some great entertainment. I think that is a bit skewed for ST since you have Nestea v T, Bomber v P, First v Z, Parting vT. Although I think Yonghwa vs Curious would be very interesting. 2 'almost' great players who get overshadowed by their more famous teammates. I tried to avoid matching up PvZ ( not including life cause he crazy ) and PvP, but yeah it could be changed around a bit. maybe Losira vs Bomber instead of Seed, but I don't know who to match up Seed with otherwise. mvp-squirtle (best players in each team) life-yonghwa (excellent players who only just broke out) seed-parting (both charismatic protosses) nestea-july (zergs who have seen better days) losira-bomber (both who used to look like saviours for their team, but less strong lately) happy-hack (#2 terrans on each team) yoda-curious (fairly stable mainstays for each team) etc
ST traded Life for Yonghwa? interesting
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On October 10 2012 22:21 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 22:15 Peacecrafts wrote:On October 10 2012 21:43 renaissanceMAN wrote:
I would agree with you until seed became a GSL champion, losira came close to two all-kills, and yongwha has already had two all-kills this season.
IM - the greatest ever? Yankees of SC2? Maybe in terms of Championships. However, we all know who the real Yankee is in SC2, the one that buys all "best" players. Funny thing is, all of IM's players are 'home-grown'. Even players like First 'transferred' over after retiring from BW. I know IM's coach gets a lot of flack in team leagues but that dude knows what he is doing. IM is more like the current Barcalona team where they just have an embarrassment of riches. And that their '2nd tier' players would be stars on almost any other team.
Except Mvp (Messi)'s closest rival in terms of individual success, MC (Ronaldo, lol), is allied to his team T_T
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I honestly thought Rain was going to win and go on to take GSL and OSL at the same time. But I'm really glad Mvp won! 5th GSL title, yeah?
And I'm a little sad TaeJa lost, but Life has just had plenty of momentum right now.
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On October 10 2012 22:19 transcendent one wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 22:08 opterown wrote:On October 10 2012 22:07 FakeDeath wrote:On October 10 2012 22:01 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 21:50 TheBB wrote:On October 10 2012 21:41 humblegar wrote:
Second game he was fine and perhaps ahead until he lowered that depot. He looked shaken after that game. I think he could have used someone there to back him up? This is a good point. Hero and Taeja are great players, but Liquid could really use some kind of support system over there. They tear through groups like nobody's business, but they tend to fall in the matches. Well, Hero and Taeja also travel a lot more than Mvp and Life. If you want to compare Taeja's and Mvp's style, it seems Taeja is more technique based where he just macro and micros. Which is superb for weekend style tournaments like MLGs, DH and such. But in terms of preparation, I think Mvp's build just seemed to be that much tighter and specific. I know a lot of people are upset by Mvp pulling his SCVs but you really have to have a pretty good understanding of what you have and what your opponent has before you can make such decisions. Again, Taeja has made Ro8 and Ro4s in GSL so it is not like he is BAD in preparation. But Mvp really shows his strength here. Honestly speaking,Taeja and MVP style is very similar. Just that MVP has the better preparation builds planned out for each of his opponent and usually has the better decision making than Taeja. Taeja also doesn't have MVP sick game sense. i think stylistically they're pretty different o.O On October 10 2012 22:08 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 22:02 transcendent one wrote:On October 10 2012 21:29 TeeTS wrote:On October 10 2012 21:25 snafoo wrote:On October 10 2012 21:23 WardenSC wrote:
life's so sick.. who would've guessed taeja would go out getting 0-3ed lol
Also I feel life's right on the ball when he says MVP is not really good at actual game itself but he's so good at planning for a BO7. That is why I expect MVP to win the final :D I don't even really understand that, he crushed Symbol straight up in Ro8 without even using any mindgames afaik. Well MVP is not exceptional strong mechanically. He wins his games through strategy but even more through decision making. He does not have crazy micro and macro skills like fellow Terrans Taeja, Byun or Marineking, but he knows how to solve problems he's facing much better than anyone else. This will be definately an interesting finals. On one hand we have the incredible gifted Life with the best mechanics we have ever seen from a Zerg player (sry DRG, but this is it!) and on the other hand MVP with his great preparation and decision making. Could make up for a great finals but could be very one sided either way too. where do people get this "he's not exceptionally good at mechanics"? he was up 30 supply vs symbol without even an engagement in the quarterfinals in one of the games, and outmacroed one of the best zergs in the world heavily, you know, symbol who all killed like 3 teams in gstl. he never ever lost by being outmacroed... also i remember plenty of crazy micro feats from MVP and crazy multi pronged harassment. His mechanics are pretty damn strong. Yes, I think people just saw MKP having better micro and Bomber having better macro but did not consider that both these players sacrificed the other. Mvp was always able to balance the 2. He would sacrifice one or the other depending on the situation. mkp actually has excellent macro and micro, but dies on mentality haha ;p yea exactly. MKP's macro is insanely good. I think to be a code S player as of now you need insane mechanics as a terran, so the gap between the macro abilities is much less than a year ago. Most of his losses come out of the opponents abusing the hell out of his arrogance- not scouting, not walling in, going the greediest builds possible blindly- and after 1-2 lost matches he always breaks mentally. Strictly in the aspect of mechanics I think he is close to MVP but with a much less of a winner's attitude. I don't know about bomber though, he's good but haven't seen many games of him and he always lost those to players he shouldn't have (at least in my opinion), I remember his macro was crazy a year ago but now that's not enough that's for sure
Well, not scouting and going for the greediest builds also cover up some macro issues. I mean, all code A/S terrans would have great macro off early 3 CC...
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On October 10 2012 22:22 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 22:19 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 22:17 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 22:13 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 22:10 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 22:06 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 22:03 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 21:58 Azzur wrote:On October 10 2012 21:53 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 21:41 Dodgin wrote:
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Unfortunately for the opposition, It's really hard to make bad choices for team league when almost every single one of your players is insanely good. lol, wait till we see the True, dreamertt, horror, Ready, Nestea line-up!!! The funny thing is, even that line up is not THAT bad. Unfortunately for the rest of all the non LG-IM players, coach Kang's lineup choices means he has built a strong team of motivated players who in turn help bolster his stars - which is why LG-IM wins championships. I would love a ST vs IM match where each teams sends 5-6 players to play round robin and then add up the scores. Winners league just don't do this justice because so many players on both sides are capable of all kills that 5-0 for either side still doesn't mean much. I would absolutely love to see a bo9 proleague format with ace match between LGIM and ST, maybe GOM could do it as part of a year end event or something. would be a lot of fun. Would be nice but I still like round robin. Because even in Bo9 PL format, the matchups end up playing a pretty big role. I was thinking they would pre-determine the matchups to make them the most exciting to watch Mvp vs Squirtle Seed vs Bomber NesTea vs Hack Yonghwa vs Curious First vs Life Yoda vs Parting something like that, but with 9 matches. yeah it wouldn't show " who is the best team " but it would provide some great entertainment. I think that is a bit skewed for ST since you have Nestea v T, Bomber v P, First v Z, Parting vT. Although I think Yonghwa vs Curious would be very interesting. 2 'almost' great players who get overshadowed by their more famous teammates. I tried to avoid matching up PvZ ( not including life cause he crazy ) and PvP, but yeah it could be changed around a bit. maybe Losira vs Bomber instead of Seed, but I don't know who to match up Seed with otherwise. mvp-squirtle (best players in each team) life-yonghwa (excellent players who only just broke out) seed-parting (both charismatic protosses) nestea-july (zergs who have seen better days) losira-bomber (both who used to look like saviours for their team, but less strong lately) happy-hack (#2 terrans on each team) yoda-curious (fairly stable mainstays for each team) etc
I didn't think July is playing anymore or I would have included him for sure.
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On October 10 2012 22:24 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 22:22 opterown wrote:On October 10 2012 22:19 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 22:17 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 22:13 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 22:10 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 22:06 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 22:03 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 21:58 Azzur wrote:On October 10 2012 21:53 vthree wrote:
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lol, wait till we see the True, dreamertt, horror, Ready, Nestea line-up!!! The funny thing is, even that line up is not THAT bad.
Unfortunately for the rest of all the non LG-IM players, coach Kang's lineup choices means he has built a strong team of motivated players who in turn help bolster his stars - which is why LG-IM wins championships. I would love a ST vs IM match where each teams sends 5-6 players to play round robin and then add up the scores. Winners league just don't do this justice because so many players on both sides are capable of all kills that 5-0 for either side still doesn't mean much. I would absolutely love to see a bo9 proleague format with ace match between LGIM and ST, maybe GOM could do it as part of a year end event or something. would be a lot of fun. Would be nice but I still like round robin. Because even in Bo9 PL format, the matchups end up playing a pretty big role. I was thinking they would pre-determine the matchups to make them the most exciting to watch Mvp vs Squirtle Seed vs Bomber NesTea vs Hack Yonghwa vs Curious First vs Life Yoda vs Parting something like that, but with 9 matches. yeah it wouldn't show " who is the best team " but it would provide some great entertainment. I think that is a bit skewed for ST since you have Nestea v T, Bomber v P, First v Z, Parting vT. Although I think Yonghwa vs Curious would be very interesting. 2 'almost' great players who get overshadowed by their more famous teammates. I tried to avoid matching up PvZ ( not including life cause he crazy ) and PvP, but yeah it could be changed around a bit. maybe Losira vs Bomber instead of Seed, but I don't know who to match up Seed with otherwise. mvp-squirtle (best players in each team) life-yonghwa (excellent players who only just broke out) seed-parting (both charismatic protosses) nestea-july (zergs who have seen better days) losira-bomber (both who used to look like saviours for their team, but less strong lately) happy-hack (#2 terrans on each team) yoda-curious (fairly stable mainstays for each team) etc ST traded Life for Yonghwa? interesting
Hottest GSL player for hottest GSTL player. Sounds good.
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On October 10 2012 22:21 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 22:15 Peacecrafts wrote:On October 10 2012 21:43 renaissanceMAN wrote:
I would agree with you until seed became a GSL champion, losira came close to two all-kills, and yongwha has already had two all-kills this season.
IM - the greatest ever? Yankees of SC2? Maybe in terms of Championships. However, we all know who the real Yankee is in SC2, the one that buys all "best" players. Funny thing is, all of IM's players are 'home-grown'. Even players like First 'transferred' over after retiring from BW. I know IM's coach gets a lot of flack in team leagues but that dude knows what he is doing. IM is more like the current Barcalona team where they just have an embarrassment of riches. And that their '2nd tier' players would be stars on almost any other team.
It's also pretty insane how much player retention IM have, they've had the same roster without losing any players for such a long time. I'm not sure if they're well paid or just really loyal/family-like - probably a bit of a combination of the both I guess.
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On October 10 2012 22:12 Kingsky wrote:
MVP FOR BONJWA!
lol i lost both my bets -_-
lol join the club...even though im glad Mvp won
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On October 10 2012 22:24 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 22:21 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 22:15 Peacecrafts wrote:On October 10 2012 21:43 renaissanceMAN wrote:
I would agree with you until seed became a GSL champion, losira came close to two all-kills, and yongwha has already had two all-kills this season.
IM - the greatest ever? Yankees of SC2? Maybe in terms of Championships. However, we all know who the real Yankee is in SC2, the one that buys all "best" players. Funny thing is, all of IM's players are 'home-grown'. Even players like First 'transferred' over after retiring from BW. I know IM's coach gets a lot of flack in team leagues but that dude knows what he is doing. IM is more like the current Barcalona team where they just have an embarrassment of riches. And that their '2nd tier' players would be stars on almost any other team. Except Mvp (Messi)'s closest rival in terms of individual success, MC (Ronaldo, lol), is allied to his team T_T
Maybe for this year. But last year, it was Messi, Xavi, Iniesta top 3 for player of the year award (Mvp, Nestea, MC).
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On October 10 2012 22:04 Wildmoon wrote:
Mvp could create religion now. He actually made me believe that god exists and I don't mean Flash.
MVP is the new emperor
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On October 08 2012 18:24 Kontys wrote:
I am going to agree to 3-0 for Rain over MVP. The production team running behind Rain will come up with as many match-up revolutionising strategies as is required to win every set in any single elimination round. Those people, whoever they are, put the S in RTS.
To Rain's other credit is that he is the cleanest player in the business. There are no unforced errors in his gameplay, and I guess I can attribute this straight away to the rigorous training regimens of the KESPA teams... and we thought we knew what korean training meant.
The big hurdle with the coming of KESPA to SC2 has been the (somewhat expected) revelation, that noone in the ESF establishment has a brain. MVP is actually the only plausible exception to that, but he isn't a convincing exception by comparison, nowhere near ingenious enough.
In closing, I conclude that the entire non-kespa starcraft establishment are slackers, no-brainers and inexperienced in their approach to RTS gaming. Rain 3-0. He is coming in with training and preparation on a whole another level than what the established SC2 scene is yet even able to comprehend.
Please refrain from arguing with me until the results are in.
User was temp banned for this post.
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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mvp once again. oh my god.
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On October 10 2012 22:28 snafoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 22:21 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 22:15 Peacecrafts wrote:On October 10 2012 21:43 renaissanceMAN wrote:
I would agree with you until seed became a GSL champion, losira came close to two all-kills, and yongwha has already had two all-kills this season.
IM - the greatest ever? Yankees of SC2? Maybe in terms of Championships. However, we all know who the real Yankee is in SC2, the one that buys all "best" players. Funny thing is, all of IM's players are 'home-grown'. Even players like First 'transferred' over after retiring from BW. I know IM's coach gets a lot of flack in team leagues but that dude knows what he is doing. IM is more like the current Barcalona team where they just have an embarrassment of riches. And that their '2nd tier' players would be stars on almost any other team. It's also pretty insane how much player retention IM have, they've had the same roster without losing any players for such a long time. I'm not sure if they're well paid or just really loyal/family-like - probably a bit of a combination of the both I guess.
from IM coach after LG sponsorship.
What are the benefits to the players? *
First of all, we will now pay players every year. This is a little "gift" to all the players who stayed and played with IM. Especially, NesTea and MVP will receive top-tier salary. In addition to this, all traveling fees as well as basic fundamental fees will be covered.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=332384
and i think he's great coach, IM player always mention him in their interview
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