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Somewhere out there Tarson is crying tears of happiness.
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On October 10 2012 22:06 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 22:03 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 21:58 Azzur wrote:On October 10 2012 21:53 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 21:41 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 21:39 red4ce wrote:On October 10 2012 21:36 renaissanceMAN wrote:On October 10 2012 21:34 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 21:33 skyflyfish wrote:
damn LG-IM, 3 finals in a row, st 2/4 not bad I didn't even think about this, good spot. Really showing the strength of IM and ST, clearly the top 2 ESF teams IMO. ST may be 2nd best to IM, but they still have a long way to go before they can even compare to IM in terms of calibre Thankfully for the opposition, coach Kang will make sure to level the playing field with his lineup choices. Unfortunately for the opposition, It's really hard to make bad choices for team league when almost every single one of your players is insanely good. lol, wait till we see the True, dreamertt, horror, Ready, Nestea line-up!!! The funny thing is, even that line up is not THAT bad. Unfortunately for the rest of all the non LG-IM players, coach Kang's lineup choices means he has built a strong team of motivated players who in turn help bolster his stars - which is why LG-IM wins championships. I would love a ST vs IM match where each teams sends 5-6 players to play round robin and then add up the scores. Winners league just don't do this justice because so many players on both sides are capable of all kills that 5-0 for either side still doesn't mean much. I would absolutely love to see a bo9 proleague format with ace match between LGIM and ST, maybe GOM could do it as part of a year end event or something. would be a lot of fun.
Would be nice but I still like round robin. Because even in Bo9 PL format, the matchups end up playing a pretty big role.
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On October 10 2012 22:07 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 22:01 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 21:50 TheBB wrote:On October 10 2012 21:41 humblegar wrote:
Second game he was fine and perhaps ahead until he lowered that depot. He looked shaken after that game. I think he could have used someone there to back him up? This is a good point. Hero and Taeja are great players, but Liquid could really use some kind of support system over there. They tear through groups like nobody's business, but they tend to fall in the matches. Well, Hero and Taeja also travel a lot more than Mvp and Life. If you want to compare Taeja's and Mvp's style, it seems Taeja is more technique based where he just macro and micros. Which is superb for weekend style tournaments like MLGs, DH and such. But in terms of preparation, I think Mvp's build just seemed to be that much tighter and specific. I know a lot of people are upset by Mvp pulling his SCVs but you really have to have a pretty good understanding of what you have and what your opponent has before you can make such decisions. Again, Taeja has made Ro8 and Ro4s in GSL so it is not like he is BAD in preparation. But Mvp really shows his strength here. Honestly speaking,Taeja and MVP style is very similar. Just that MVP has the better preparation builds planned out for each of his opponent and usually has the better decision making than Taeja. Taeja also doesn't have MVP sick game sense.
Taeja also doesn't have the best strength of all
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YZKiG.png)
Maybe some day, the GSL previews will have a " is Taeja " strength.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
So what are we doing for Finals hype?
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On October 10 2012 19:45 Blaec wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 19:43 Waxangel wrote:god, rain is so unbelievably dead now  Live betting has been turned off. So it seems the bookmaker agrees with you.
ehhh what?
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opterown
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On October 10 2012 22:10 lichter wrote:
So what are we doing for Finals hype?
thinking thinking :p
-pro preview (one terran pro, one zerg?)
-one game recap per player? so one of life's best ZvTs and one of Mvp's best TvZs (although he hasn't played much) broken down in decent detail (not super duper breakdown, but the main blows)
-fan interviews
-anything else? :p
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MVP FOR BONJWA!
lol i lost both my bets -_-
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On October 10 2012 22:08 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 22:07 FakeDeath wrote:On October 10 2012 22:01 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 21:50 TheBB wrote:On October 10 2012 21:41 humblegar wrote:
Second game he was fine and perhaps ahead until he lowered that depot. He looked shaken after that game. I think he could have used someone there to back him up? This is a good point. Hero and Taeja are great players, but Liquid could really use some kind of support system over there. They tear through groups like nobody's business, but they tend to fall in the matches. Well, Hero and Taeja also travel a lot more than Mvp and Life. If you want to compare Taeja's and Mvp's style, it seems Taeja is more technique based where he just macro and micros. Which is superb for weekend style tournaments like MLGs, DH and such. But in terms of preparation, I think Mvp's build just seemed to be that much tighter and specific. I know a lot of people are upset by Mvp pulling his SCVs but you really have to have a pretty good understanding of what you have and what your opponent has before you can make such decisions. Again, Taeja has made Ro8 and Ro4s in GSL so it is not like he is BAD in preparation. But Mvp really shows his strength here. Honestly speaking,Taeja and MVP style is very similar. Just that MVP has the better preparation builds planned out for each of his opponent and usually has the better decision making than Taeja. Taeja also doesn't have MVP sick game sense. i think stylistically they're pretty different o.O Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 22:08 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 22:02 transcendent one wrote:On October 10 2012 21:29 TeeTS wrote:On October 10 2012 21:25 snafoo wrote:On October 10 2012 21:23 WardenSC wrote:
life's so sick.. who would've guessed taeja would go out getting 0-3ed lol
Also I feel life's right on the ball when he says MVP is not really good at actual game itself but he's so good at planning for a BO7. That is why I expect MVP to win the final :D I don't even really understand that, he crushed Symbol straight up in Ro8 without even using any mindgames afaik. Well MVP is not exceptional strong mechanically. He wins his games through strategy but even more through decision making. He does not have crazy micro and macro skills like fellow Terrans Taeja, Byun or Marineking, but he knows how to solve problems he's facing much better than anyone else. This will be definately an interesting finals. On one hand we have the incredible gifted Life with the best mechanics we have ever seen from a Zerg player (sry DRG, but this is it!) and on the other hand MVP with his great preparation and decision making. Could make up for a great finals but could be very one sided either way too. where do people get this "he's not exceptionally good at mechanics"? he was up 30 supply vs symbol without even an engagement in the quarterfinals in one of the games, and outmacroed one of the best zergs in the world heavily, you know, symbol who all killed like 3 teams in gstl. he never ever lost by being outmacroed... also i remember plenty of crazy micro feats from MVP and crazy multi pronged harassment. His mechanics are pretty damn strong. Yes, I think people just saw MKP having better micro and Bomber having better macro but did not consider that both these players sacrificed the other. Mvp was always able to balance the 2. He would sacrifice one or the other depending on the situation. mkp actually has excellent macro and micro, but dies on mentality haha ;p
I was mainly referring to the early 2011 version MKP (when people compare MKP's micro to Mvp's)when he really tended to 'overmicro'. It looked amazing when he ran his army all over the map and splitting perfectly but his macro suffered. His macro has gotten a lot better.
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On October 10 2012 22:12 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 22:10 lichter wrote:
So what are we doing for Finals hype? thinking thinking :p -pro preview (one terran pro, one zerg?) -one game recap per player? so one of life's best ZvTs and one of Mvp's best TvZs (although he hasn't played much) broken down in decent detail (not super duper breakdown, but the main blows) -fan interviews -anything else? :p Pictures lot's and lot's of pictures! 
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On October 10 2012 22:10 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 22:06 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 22:03 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 21:58 Azzur wrote:On October 10 2012 21:53 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 21:41 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 21:39 red4ce wrote:On October 10 2012 21:36 renaissanceMAN wrote:On October 10 2012 21:34 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 21:33 skyflyfish wrote:
damn LG-IM, 3 finals in a row, st 2/4 not bad I didn't even think about this, good spot. Really showing the strength of IM and ST, clearly the top 2 ESF teams IMO. ST may be 2nd best to IM, but they still have a long way to go before they can even compare to IM in terms of calibre Thankfully for the opposition, coach Kang will make sure to level the playing field with his lineup choices. Unfortunately for the opposition, It's really hard to make bad choices for team league when almost every single one of your players is insanely good. lol, wait till we see the True, dreamertt, horror, Ready, Nestea line-up!!! The funny thing is, even that line up is not THAT bad. Unfortunately for the rest of all the non LG-IM players, coach Kang's lineup choices means he has built a strong team of motivated players who in turn help bolster his stars - which is why LG-IM wins championships. I would love a ST vs IM match where each teams sends 5-6 players to play round robin and then add up the scores. Winners league just don't do this justice because so many players on both sides are capable of all kills that 5-0 for either side still doesn't mean much. I would absolutely love to see a bo9 proleague format with ace match between LGIM and ST, maybe GOM could do it as part of a year end event or something. would be a lot of fun. Would be nice but I still like round robin. Because even in Bo9 PL format, the matchups end up playing a pretty big role.
I was thinking they would pre-determine the matchups to make them the most exciting to watch
Mvp vs Squirtle
Seed vs Bomber
NesTea vs Hack
Yonghwa vs Curious
First vs Life
Yoda vs Parting
something like that, but with 9 matches.
yeah it wouldn't show " who is the best team " but it would provide some great entertainment.
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Life is just insanely good atm omg he just crushed TaeJa.... anyway GJ TaeJa
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On October 10 2012 22:10 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 22:07 FakeDeath wrote:On October 10 2012 22:01 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 21:50 TheBB wrote:On October 10 2012 21:41 humblegar wrote:
Second game he was fine and perhaps ahead until he lowered that depot. He looked shaken after that game. I think he could have used someone there to back him up? This is a good point. Hero and Taeja are great players, but Liquid could really use some kind of support system over there. They tear through groups like nobody's business, but they tend to fall in the matches. Well, Hero and Taeja also travel a lot more than Mvp and Life. If you want to compare Taeja's and Mvp's style, it seems Taeja is more technique based where he just macro and micros. Which is superb for weekend style tournaments like MLGs, DH and such. But in terms of preparation, I think Mvp's build just seemed to be that much tighter and specific. I know a lot of people are upset by Mvp pulling his SCVs but you really have to have a pretty good understanding of what you have and what your opponent has before you can make such decisions. Again, Taeja has made Ro8 and Ro4s in GSL so it is not like he is BAD in preparation. But Mvp really shows his strength here. Honestly speaking,Taeja and MVP style is very similar. Just that MVP has the better preparation builds planned out for each of his opponent and usually has the better decision making than Taeja. Taeja also doesn't have MVP sick game sense. Taeja also doesn't have the best strength of all Maybe some day, the GSL previews will have a " is Taeja " strength.
Well, I think one of the strengths for Liquid for IPTL was 'has Taeja'.
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opterown
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On October 10 2012 22:13 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 22:10 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 22:06 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 22:03 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 21:58 Azzur wrote:On October 10 2012 21:53 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 21:41 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 21:39 red4ce wrote:On October 10 2012 21:36 renaissanceMAN wrote:On October 10 2012 21:34 Dodgin wrote:
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I didn't even think about this, good spot. Really showing the strength of IM and ST, clearly the top 2 ESF teams IMO. ST may be 2nd best to IM, but they still have a long way to go before they can even compare to IM in terms of calibre Thankfully for the opposition, coach Kang will make sure to level the playing field with his lineup choices. Unfortunately for the opposition, It's really hard to make bad choices for team league when almost every single one of your players is insanely good. lol, wait till we see the True, dreamertt, horror, Ready, Nestea line-up!!! The funny thing is, even that line up is not THAT bad. Unfortunately for the rest of all the non LG-IM players, coach Kang's lineup choices means he has built a strong team of motivated players who in turn help bolster his stars - which is why LG-IM wins championships. I would love a ST vs IM match where each teams sends 5-6 players to play round robin and then add up the scores. Winners league just don't do this justice because so many players on both sides are capable of all kills that 5-0 for either side still doesn't mean much. I would absolutely love to see a bo9 proleague format with ace match between LGIM and ST, maybe GOM could do it as part of a year end event or something. would be a lot of fun. Would be nice but I still like round robin. Because even in Bo9 PL format, the matchups end up playing a pretty big role. I was thinking they would pre-determine the matchups to make them the most exciting to watch Mvp vs Squirtle Seed vs Bomber NesTea vs Hack Yonghwa vs Curious First vs Life Yoda vs Parting something like that, but with 9 matches. yeah it wouldn't show " who is the best team " but it would provide some great entertainment.
should throw in NSH and watch as they destroy both teams ;p
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On October 10 2012 22:12 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 22:10 lichter wrote:
So what are we doing for Finals hype? thinking thinking :p -pro preview (one terran pro, one zerg?) -one game recap per player? so one of life's best ZvTs and one of Mvp's best TvZs (although he hasn't played much) broken down in decent detail (not super duper breakdown, but the main blows) -fan interviews -anything else? :p
All of that would be pretty awesome.
Mvp game should be the one vs Symbol on Abyssal City that game was just beautiful.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On October 10 2012 22:13 Weavel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 22:12 opterown wrote:On October 10 2012 22:10 lichter wrote:
So what are we doing for Finals hype? thinking thinking :p -pro preview (one terran pro, one zerg?) -one game recap per player? so one of life's best ZvTs and one of Mvp's best TvZs (although he hasn't played much) broken down in decent detail (not super duper breakdown, but the main blows) -fan interviews -anything else? :p Pictures lot's and lot's of pictures!
start looking and compiling them! :D
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On October 10 2012 21:43 renaissanceMAN wrote:
I would agree with you until seed became a GSL champion, losira came close to two all-kills, and yongwha has already had two all-kills this season.
IM - the greatest ever? Yankees of SC2?
Maybe in terms of Championships.
However, we all know who the real Yankee is in SC2, the one that buys all "best" players.
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On October 10 2012 22:09 snafoo wrote:
Somewhere out there Tarson is crying tears of happiness.
Eating those delicious chocolate candies and shipping some to Mvp.
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On October 10 2012 22:13 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 22:10 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 22:06 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 22:03 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 21:58 Azzur wrote:On October 10 2012 21:53 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 21:41 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 21:39 red4ce wrote:On October 10 2012 21:36 renaissanceMAN wrote:On October 10 2012 21:34 Dodgin wrote:
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I didn't even think about this, good spot. Really showing the strength of IM and ST, clearly the top 2 ESF teams IMO. ST may be 2nd best to IM, but they still have a long way to go before they can even compare to IM in terms of calibre Thankfully for the opposition, coach Kang will make sure to level the playing field with his lineup choices. Unfortunately for the opposition, It's really hard to make bad choices for team league when almost every single one of your players is insanely good. lol, wait till we see the True, dreamertt, horror, Ready, Nestea line-up!!! The funny thing is, even that line up is not THAT bad. Unfortunately for the rest of all the non LG-IM players, coach Kang's lineup choices means he has built a strong team of motivated players who in turn help bolster his stars - which is why LG-IM wins championships. I would love a ST vs IM match where each teams sends 5-6 players to play round robin and then add up the scores. Winners league just don't do this justice because so many players on both sides are capable of all kills that 5-0 for either side still doesn't mean much. I would absolutely love to see a bo9 proleague format with ace match between LGIM and ST, maybe GOM could do it as part of a year end event or something. would be a lot of fun. Would be nice but I still like round robin. Because even in Bo9 PL format, the matchups end up playing a pretty big role. I was thinking they would pre-determine the matchups to make them the most exciting to watch Mvp vs Squirtle Seed vs Bomber NesTea vs Hack Yonghwa vs Curious First vs Life Yoda vs Parting something like that, but with 9 matches. yeah it wouldn't show " who is the best team " but it would provide some great entertainment.
I think that is a bit skewed for ST since you have Nestea v T, Bomber v P, First v Z, Parting vT. Although I think Yonghwa vs Curious would be very interesting. 2 'almost' great players who get overshadowed by their more famous teammates.
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On October 10 2012 22:17 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 22:13 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 22:10 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 22:06 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 22:03 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 21:58 Azzur wrote:On October 10 2012 21:53 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 21:41 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 21:39 red4ce wrote:On October 10 2012 21:36 renaissanceMAN wrote:
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ST may be 2nd best to IM, but they still have a long way to go before they can even compare to IM in terms of calibre Thankfully for the opposition, coach Kang will make sure to level the playing field with his lineup choices. Unfortunately for the opposition, It's really hard to make bad choices for team league when almost every single one of your players is insanely good. lol, wait till we see the True, dreamertt, horror, Ready, Nestea line-up!!! The funny thing is, even that line up is not THAT bad. Unfortunately for the rest of all the non LG-IM players, coach Kang's lineup choices means he has built a strong team of motivated players who in turn help bolster his stars - which is why LG-IM wins championships. I would love a ST vs IM match where each teams sends 5-6 players to play round robin and then add up the scores. Winners league just don't do this justice because so many players on both sides are capable of all kills that 5-0 for either side still doesn't mean much. I would absolutely love to see a bo9 proleague format with ace match between LGIM and ST, maybe GOM could do it as part of a year end event or something. would be a lot of fun. Would be nice but I still like round robin. Because even in Bo9 PL format, the matchups end up playing a pretty big role. I was thinking they would pre-determine the matchups to make them the most exciting to watch Mvp vs Squirtle Seed vs Bomber NesTea vs Hack Yonghwa vs Curious First vs Life Yoda vs Parting something like that, but with 9 matches. yeah it wouldn't show " who is the best team " but it would provide some great entertainment. I think that is a bit skewed for ST since you have Nestea v T, Bomber v P, First v Z, Parting vT. Although I think Yonghwa vs Curious would be very interesting. 2 'almost' great players who get overshadowed by their more famous teammates.
I tried to avoid matching up PvZ ( not including life cause he crazy ) and PvP, but yeah it could be changed around a bit.
maybe Losira vs Bomber instead of Seed, but I don't know who to match up Seed with otherwise.
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On October 10 2012 21:19 Probasaur wrote:
I hope Life kicks the crap out of old man MVP and his not very exciting self.
I don't know what it is I just never seemed to be able to get on the MVP bandwagon. I appreciated the hell out of his games today, and the close series was awesome..... its just he doesn't have much appeal to me. Oh man will he win again!?!? Maybe I'm just permanently turned off from the dark days of GomTvT =/
LIFE FIGHTING!!!!!!!!~
Im driving this wagon.
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