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On October 10 2012 21:41 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 21:39 red4ce wrote:On October 10 2012 21:36 renaissanceMAN wrote:On October 10 2012 21:34 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 21:33 skyflyfish wrote: damn LG-IM, 3 finals in a row, st 2/4 not bad I didn't even think about this, good spot. Really showing the strength of IM and ST, clearly the top 2 ESF teams IMO. ST may be 2nd best to IM, but they still have a long way to go before they can even compare to IM in terms of calibre Thankfully for the opposition, coach Kang will make sure to level the playing field with his lineup choices. Unfortunately for the opposition, It's really hard to make bad choices for team league when almost every single one of your players is insanely good.
lol, wait till we see the True, dreamertt, horror, Ready, Nestea line-up!!! The funny thing is, even that line up is not THAT bad.
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Damn :/ I was rooting for Rain so hard! But at least Life made it! Sad for Taeja :/
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TaeJa noooooooo this was supposed to be Liquid's first Code S championship...
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Wow. Mvp in 5. Man, sad I wasn't able to see it. GJ, Mvp.
Surprised by the Life Taeja end. Too bad for Taeja but well, Taeja is getting a step closer each time.
End of the GSL road for Rain but I think he's got the OSL in the bag.
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On October 10 2012 21:53 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 21:51 opterown wrote:On October 10 2012 21:49 FakeDeath wrote:On October 10 2012 21:45 Shellshock1122 wrote:On October 10 2012 21:43 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 21:42 Shellshock1122 wrote:On October 10 2012 21:42 Farone wrote:Now I know why Life was picked last during RO16 picks  ) Jjakji 2.0 Not quite Jjakji, I think predictions for this final will be 60% Mvp and 40% Life for the " head " votes after seeing Life's games in GSL. I believe Leenock was favored 92% or 96% to win on Liquibet or something ridiculous. True. I guess he's kind of like jjakji though because jjakji was picked last that season and people were like wat who is this guy and why is everyone scared of him? a lot of people in the group selection thread were saying that they thought Life was one of the weakest players in the ro16 not too far behind Heart lol No one was saying Life was one of the weakest players in Ro16 during group selection. This guy is TSL4 2nd place and a monster in Korean weeklies. This guy isn't even playing this game full time and he is consistently 1#GM in Korean Server along with Creator. he's fulltime now, but going back to school soon i think? I don't think he is fulltime. He mentioned in an interview he ask permission from his teacher to take a day off just to play at the GSL. He mentioned in his interview after beating MKP that he was in the process of transferring school and that's why he had a lot of time to practice. i think that was during code a last season, which is actually quite a long time ago now haha.
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On October 10 2012 21:53 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 21:41 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 21:39 red4ce wrote:On October 10 2012 21:36 renaissanceMAN wrote:On October 10 2012 21:34 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 21:33 skyflyfish wrote: damn LG-IM, 3 finals in a row, st 2/4 not bad I didn't even think about this, good spot. Really showing the strength of IM and ST, clearly the top 2 ESF teams IMO. ST may be 2nd best to IM, but they still have a long way to go before they can even compare to IM in terms of calibre Thankfully for the opposition, coach Kang will make sure to level the playing field with his lineup choices. Unfortunately for the opposition, It's really hard to make bad choices for team league when almost every single one of your players is insanely good. lol, wait till we see the True, dreamertt, horror, Ready, Nestea line-up!!! The funny thing is, even that line up is not THAT bad. Unfortunately for the rest of all the non LG-IM players, coach Kang's lineup choices means he has built a strong team of motivated players who in turn help bolster his stars - which is why LG-IM wins championships.
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On October 10 2012 21:50 TheBB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 21:41 humblegar wrote: Second game he was fine and perhaps ahead until he lowered that depot. He looked shaken after that game. I think he could have used someone there to back him up? This is a good point. Hero and Taeja are great players, but Liquid could really use some kind of support system over there. They tear through groups like nobody's business, but they tend to fall in the matches.
Well, Hero and Taeja also travel a lot more than Mvp and Life. If you want to compare Taeja's and Mvp's style, it seems Taeja is more technique based where he just macro and micros. Which is superb for weekend style tournaments like MLGs, DH and such. But in terms of preparation, I think Mvp's build just seemed to be that much tighter and specific. I know a lot of people are upset by Mvp pulling his SCVs but you really have to have a pretty good understanding of what you have and what your opponent has before you can make such decisions. Again, Taeja has made Ro8 and Ro4s in GSL so it is not like he is BAD in preparation. But Mvp really shows his strength here.
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On October 10 2012 21:51 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 21:49 FakeDeath wrote:On October 10 2012 21:45 Shellshock1122 wrote:On October 10 2012 21:43 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 21:42 Shellshock1122 wrote:On October 10 2012 21:42 Farone wrote:Now I know why Life was picked last during RO16 picks  ) Jjakji 2.0 Not quite Jjakji, I think predictions for this final will be 60% Mvp and 40% Life for the " head " votes after seeing Life's games in GSL. I believe Leenock was favored 92% or 96% to win on Liquibet or something ridiculous. True. I guess he's kind of like jjakji though because jjakji was picked last that season and people were like wat who is this guy and why is everyone scared of him? a lot of people in the group selection thread were saying that they thought Life was one of the weakest players in the ro16 not too far behind Heart lol No one was saying Life was one of the weakest players in Ro16 during group selection. This guy is TSL4 2nd place and a monster in Korean weeklies. This guy isn't even playing this game full time and he is consistently 1#GM in Korean Server along with Creator. he's fulltime now, but going back to school soon i think?
School wasn't the main problem, but the word is that he was spending too much time playing LoL while in ZeNEX.
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On October 10 2012 21:29 TeeTS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 21:25 snafoo wrote:On October 10 2012 21:23 WardenSC wrote: life's so sick.. who would've guessed taeja would go out getting 0-3ed lol Also I feel life's right on the ball when he says MVP is not really good at actual game itself but he's so good at planning for a BO7. That is why I expect MVP to win the final :D I don't even really understand that, he crushed Symbol straight up in Ro8 without even using any mindgames afaik. Well MVP is not exceptional strong mechanically. He wins his games through strategy but even more through decision making. He does not have crazy micro and macro skills like fellow Terrans Taeja, Byun or Marineking, but he knows how to solve problems he's facing much better than anyone else. This will be definately an interesting finals. On one hand we have the incredible gifted Life with the best mechanics we have ever seen from a Zerg player (sry DRG, but this is it!) and on the other hand MVP with his great preparation and decision making. Could make up for a great finals but could be very one sided either way too.
where do people get this "he's not exceptionally good at mechanics"?
he was up 30 supply vs symbol without even an engagement in the quarterfinals in one of the games, and outmacroed one of the best zergs in the world heavily, you know, symbol who all killed like 3 teams in gstl. he never ever lost by being outmacroed... also i remember plenty of crazy micro feats from MVP and crazy multi pronged harassment. His mechanics are pretty damn strong.
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Yes just got home and when i saw the results i was like "FUCK YEAH MVP LETS DO THIS 5TH TIME"
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On October 10 2012 21:58 Azzur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 21:53 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 21:41 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 21:39 red4ce wrote:On October 10 2012 21:36 renaissanceMAN wrote:On October 10 2012 21:34 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 21:33 skyflyfish wrote: damn LG-IM, 3 finals in a row, st 2/4 not bad I didn't even think about this, good spot. Really showing the strength of IM and ST, clearly the top 2 ESF teams IMO. ST may be 2nd best to IM, but they still have a long way to go before they can even compare to IM in terms of calibre Thankfully for the opposition, coach Kang will make sure to level the playing field with his lineup choices. Unfortunately for the opposition, It's really hard to make bad choices for team league when almost every single one of your players is insanely good. lol, wait till we see the True, dreamertt, horror, Ready, Nestea line-up!!! The funny thing is, even that line up is not THAT bad. Unfortunately for the rest of all the non LG-IM players, coach Kang's lineup choices means he has built a strong team of motivated players who in turn help bolster his stars - which is why LG-IM wins championships.
I would love a ST vs IM match where each teams sends 5-6 players to play round robin and then add up the scores. Winners league just don't do this justice because so many players on both sides are capable of all kills that 5-0 for either side still doesn't mean much.
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Mvp could create religion now. He actually made me believe that god exists and I don't mean Flash.
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On October 10 2012 21:53 opterown wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/nCtf5.png) no offense but I think you should use GOM's animated pic as banner instead of those bland screen captures
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I must say, though, that moving to the ST house seems to have had a scary good effect on Life.
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wow i really love llifes playstyle this is what all sc2 games should look like alot of action and unit trades not herp derp infestor fast hive broodlord
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On October 10 2012 22:03 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 21:58 Azzur wrote:On October 10 2012 21:53 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 21:41 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 21:39 red4ce wrote:On October 10 2012 21:36 renaissanceMAN wrote:On October 10 2012 21:34 Dodgin wrote:On October 10 2012 21:33 skyflyfish wrote: damn LG-IM, 3 finals in a row, st 2/4 not bad I didn't even think about this, good spot. Really showing the strength of IM and ST, clearly the top 2 ESF teams IMO. ST may be 2nd best to IM, but they still have a long way to go before they can even compare to IM in terms of calibre Thankfully for the opposition, coach Kang will make sure to level the playing field with his lineup choices. Unfortunately for the opposition, It's really hard to make bad choices for team league when almost every single one of your players is insanely good. lol, wait till we see the True, dreamertt, horror, Ready, Nestea line-up!!! The funny thing is, even that line up is not THAT bad. Unfortunately for the rest of all the non LG-IM players, coach Kang's lineup choices means he has built a strong team of motivated players who in turn help bolster his stars - which is why LG-IM wins championships. I would love a ST vs IM match where each teams sends 5-6 players to play round robin and then add up the scores. Winners league just don't do this justice because so many players on both sides are capable of all kills that 5-0 for either side still doesn't mean much.
I would absolutely love to see a bo9 proleague format with ace match between LGIM and ST, maybe GOM could do it as part of a year end event or something. would be a lot of fun.
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On October 10 2012 22:01 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 21:50 TheBB wrote:On October 10 2012 21:41 humblegar wrote: Second game he was fine and perhaps ahead until he lowered that depot. He looked shaken after that game. I think he could have used someone there to back him up? This is a good point. Hero and Taeja are great players, but Liquid could really use some kind of support system over there. They tear through groups like nobody's business, but they tend to fall in the matches. Well, Hero and Taeja also travel a lot more than Mvp and Life. If you want to compare Taeja's and Mvp's style, it seems Taeja is more technique based where he just macro and micros. Which is superb for weekend style tournaments like MLGs, DH and such. But in terms of preparation, I think Mvp's build just seemed to be that much tighter and specific. I know a lot of people are upset by Mvp pulling his SCVs but you really have to have a pretty good understanding of what you have and what your opponent has before you can make such decisions. Again, Taeja has made Ro8 and Ro4s in GSL so it is not like he is BAD in preparation. But Mvp really shows his strength here.
Honestly speaking,Taeja and MVP style is very similar.
Just that MVP has the better preparation builds planned out for each of his opponent and usually has the better decision making than Taeja. Taeja also doesn't have MVP sick game sense.
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With my morning coffee, skimming through the "Hell yeah Rain's got this" comments. Makes up for the cold dreary morning. Go for 5 MVP! =) Too bad about Taeja =(
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On October 10 2012 22:02 transcendent one wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 21:29 TeeTS wrote:On October 10 2012 21:25 snafoo wrote:On October 10 2012 21:23 WardenSC wrote: life's so sick.. who would've guessed taeja would go out getting 0-3ed lol Also I feel life's right on the ball when he says MVP is not really good at actual game itself but he's so good at planning for a BO7. That is why I expect MVP to win the final :D I don't even really understand that, he crushed Symbol straight up in Ro8 without even using any mindgames afaik. Well MVP is not exceptional strong mechanically. He wins his games through strategy but even more through decision making. He does not have crazy micro and macro skills like fellow Terrans Taeja, Byun or Marineking, but he knows how to solve problems he's facing much better than anyone else. This will be definately an interesting finals. On one hand we have the incredible gifted Life with the best mechanics we have ever seen from a Zerg player (sry DRG, but this is it!) and on the other hand MVP with his great preparation and decision making. Could make up for a great finals but could be very one sided either way too. where do people get this "he's not exceptionally good at mechanics"? he was up 30 supply vs symbol without even an engagement in the quarterfinals in one of the games, and outmacroed one of the best zergs in the world heavily, you know, symbol who all killed like 3 teams in gstl. he never ever lost by being outmacroed... also i remember plenty of crazy micro feats from MVP and crazy multi pronged harassment. His mechanics are pretty damn strong.
Yes, I think people just saw MKP having better micro and Bomber having better macro but did not consider that both these players sacrificed the other. Mvp was always able to balance the 2. He would sacrifice one or the other depending on the situation.
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On October 10 2012 22:07 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 22:01 vthree wrote:On October 10 2012 21:50 TheBB wrote:On October 10 2012 21:41 humblegar wrote: Second game he was fine and perhaps ahead until he lowered that depot. He looked shaken after that game. I think he could have used someone there to back him up? This is a good point. Hero and Taeja are great players, but Liquid could really use some kind of support system over there. They tear through groups like nobody's business, but they tend to fall in the matches. Well, Hero and Taeja also travel a lot more than Mvp and Life. If you want to compare Taeja's and Mvp's style, it seems Taeja is more technique based where he just macro and micros. Which is superb for weekend style tournaments like MLGs, DH and such. But in terms of preparation, I think Mvp's build just seemed to be that much tighter and specific. I know a lot of people are upset by Mvp pulling his SCVs but you really have to have a pretty good understanding of what you have and what your opponent has before you can make such decisions. Again, Taeja has made Ro8 and Ro4s in GSL so it is not like he is BAD in preparation. But Mvp really shows his strength here. Honestly speaking,Taeja and MVP style is very similar. Just that MVP has the better preparation builds planned out for each of his opponent and usually has the better decision making than Taeja. Taeja also doesn't have MVP sick game sense. i think stylistically they're pretty different o.O
On October 10 2012 22:08 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 22:02 transcendent one wrote:On October 10 2012 21:29 TeeTS wrote:On October 10 2012 21:25 snafoo wrote:On October 10 2012 21:23 WardenSC wrote: life's so sick.. who would've guessed taeja would go out getting 0-3ed lol Also I feel life's right on the ball when he says MVP is not really good at actual game itself but he's so good at planning for a BO7. That is why I expect MVP to win the final :D I don't even really understand that, he crushed Symbol straight up in Ro8 without even using any mindgames afaik. Well MVP is not exceptional strong mechanically. He wins his games through strategy but even more through decision making. He does not have crazy micro and macro skills like fellow Terrans Taeja, Byun or Marineking, but he knows how to solve problems he's facing much better than anyone else. This will be definately an interesting finals. On one hand we have the incredible gifted Life with the best mechanics we have ever seen from a Zerg player (sry DRG, but this is it!) and on the other hand MVP with his great preparation and decision making. Could make up for a great finals but could be very one sided either way too. where do people get this "he's not exceptionally good at mechanics"? he was up 30 supply vs symbol without even an engagement in the quarterfinals in one of the games, and outmacroed one of the best zergs in the world heavily, you know, symbol who all killed like 3 teams in gstl. he never ever lost by being outmacroed... also i remember plenty of crazy micro feats from MVP and crazy multi pronged harassment. His mechanics are pretty damn strong. Yes, I think people just saw MKP having better micro and Bomber having better macro but did not consider that both these players sacrificed the other. Mvp was always able to balance the 2. He would sacrifice one or the other depending on the situation. mkp actually has excellent macro and micro, but dies on mentality haha ;p
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