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o)_Saurus
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany260 Posts
August 15 2012 11:58 GMT
#1461
On August 15 2012 20:58 shabby wrote:
Can someone link the 720+ day9 stream again? Lost it.


It's ESL.TV in the "other" category.
BeyondCtrL
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden642 Posts
August 15 2012 11:58 GMT
#1462
On August 15 2012 20:46 o)_Saurus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 20:39 BeyondCtrL wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:34 o)_Saurus wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:31 BeyondCtrL wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:19 AgniKai wrote:
박진영 ‏@EGJYP
@NaNiwaSC2 i doen't know u are playing tournament and u was a lot of bad words for me and that happen really sorry to you but u lost reason

박진영 ‏@EGJYP
@NaNiwaSC2 is not me just u lost why excuse that happen? that happen really sorry but your excuse is really fucking joke


It's obvious that Naniwa wasn't playing any good today. Whether this situation affected Nani only he can tell. What bothers me is that JYP thinks that touching a person is not disturbing especially when they need to focus. I know that Koreans have a different culture where it comes to physical contact with others but it's still quite rude to touch someone like that (especially when you're not close friends) and as far as I know JYP and Nani aren't even friends.

Would Nani have won if the situation never occurred? Most likely not. Did it bother him? Clearly it did. Was JYP at fault here? Yes.

For some people the idea of someone touching you and ruining your focus and tilting you is ridiculous. For others, however, it can do exactly that. It might be a bad excuse but in his mind it did really bother him and really that's what really counts in the end - his own state of mind and peace.


I know your swedish but you should stop making stupid excuses.
Naniwa lost and thats it. If a 10second touch influences 4 matches he has a serious problem with his mindset.


How is that excuse? Did you even read what I wrote? I'm talking about whether it's appropriate to touch someone like that during a tournament, not whether if the excuse is a valid one for him losing.


You indirectly said it. Especially in the last part. And now don't start a struggle about the definition of "excuses" because I won't reply to it. -_-


I'm not talking about the value of the excuse because IT'S NOT AN EXCUSE, I'm talking about what the player was feeling and how it relates to the appropriateness of such actions in that situation. Really every time I try to objectively take both sides into account, especially if Nani is at the center (because literally everyone either hates him or loves/likes him), people assume, just from my country, that I am defending Nani's person and actions..

Let's remove names all together and go through my post as such so your mind doesn't get confused.

Player A gets touched by another passerby for a few seconds at a tournament game. Q: Is it appropriate? Some people will say it's fine because it doesn't bother them. Well by that means if someone doesn't mind something then it should be fine, right? It would be if HE WERE THE ONLY PERSON THERE. Everyone reacts differently to such situations. Some won't mind and some will be negatively affected.

If this happened to any player I would be saying the exact same thing, regardless of what happened. When someone touches another person in such a situation, i.e. they are not friends or acquaintances, then they better have a damn good reason for touching you.

Even if Nestea was winning 10-0 in a bo21 and some stranger touched him during a game it would NOT be OK. You never know how that person will react at that given moment.
ARNHOE
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands96 Posts
August 15 2012 11:59 GMT
#1463
On August 15 2012 20:58 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 20:58 Unibrow88 wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:56 shepherdxoxo wrote:
Oh what the fuck.. I should go to bed, good night guys.


Its 13:57... just should be awake for ~2hrs at max ...the fuck?!


Timezones...

He is in the same timezone, seeing his country is The Netherlands. But mabye he is on vacation.
furo
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany449 Posts
August 15 2012 11:59 GMT
#1464
On August 15 2012 20:58 shabby wrote:
Can someone link the 720+ day9 stream again? Lost it.


there is none
shepherdxoxo
Profile Joined July 2012
Netherlands260 Posts
August 15 2012 11:59 GMT
#1465
On August 15 2012 20:58 Unibrow88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 20:56 shepherdxoxo wrote:
Oh what the fuck.. I should go to bed, good night guys.


Its 13:57... just should be awake for ~2hrs at max ...the fuck?!

And yet I manage to fuck up with names twice in a row. First AureS and Adelscott, followed by Grubby and TargA. That´s just hard to swallow down when you´re as intelligent and awesome as I am. :/
Rain <3
Unibrow88
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany39 Posts
August 15 2012 11:59 GMT
#1466
On August 15 2012 20:58 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 20:58 Unibrow88 wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:56 shepherdxoxo wrote:
Oh what the fuck.. I should go to bed, good night guys.


Its 13:57... just should be awake for ~2hrs at max ...the fuck?!


Timezones...


Holland has the same Timezone as Germany... /facepalm
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
August 15 2012 12:00 GMT
#1467
On August 15 2012 20:58 BeyondCtrL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 20:46 o)_Saurus wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:39 BeyondCtrL wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:34 o)_Saurus wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:31 BeyondCtrL wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:19 AgniKai wrote:
박진영 ‏@EGJYP
@NaNiwaSC2 i doen't know u are playing tournament and u was a lot of bad words for me and that happen really sorry to you but u lost reason

박진영 ‏@EGJYP
@NaNiwaSC2 is not me just u lost why excuse that happen? that happen really sorry but your excuse is really fucking joke


It's obvious that Naniwa wasn't playing any good today. Whether this situation affected Nani only he can tell. What bothers me is that JYP thinks that touching a person is not disturbing especially when they need to focus. I know that Koreans have a different culture where it comes to physical contact with others but it's still quite rude to touch someone like that (especially when you're not close friends) and as far as I know JYP and Nani aren't even friends.

Would Nani have won if the situation never occurred? Most likely not. Did it bother him? Clearly it did. Was JYP at fault here? Yes.

For some people the idea of someone touching you and ruining your focus and tilting you is ridiculous. For others, however, it can do exactly that. It might be a bad excuse but in his mind it did really bother him and really that's what really counts in the end - his own state of mind and peace.


I know your swedish but you should stop making stupid excuses.
Naniwa lost and thats it. If a 10second touch influences 4 matches he has a serious problem with his mindset.


How is that excuse? Did you even read what I wrote? I'm talking about whether it's appropriate to touch someone like that during a tournament, not whether if the excuse is a valid one for him losing.


You indirectly said it. Especially in the last part. And now don't start a struggle about the definition of "excuses" because I won't reply to it. -_-


I'm not talking about the value of the excuse because IT'S NOT AN EXCUSE, I'm talking about what the player was feeling and how it relates to the appropriateness of such actions in that situation. Really every time I try to objectively take both sides into account, especially if Nani is at the center (because literally everyone either hates him or loves/likes him), people assume, just from my country, that I am defending Nani's person and actions..

Let's remove names all together and go through my post as such so your mind doesn't get confused.

Player A gets touched by another passerby for a few seconds at a tournament game. Q: Is it appropriate? Some people will say it's fine because it doesn't bother them. Well by that means if someone doesn't mind something then it should be fine, right? It would be if HE WERE THE ONLY PERSON THERE. Everyone reacts differently to such situations. Some won't mind and some will be negatively affected.

If this happened to any player I would be saying the exact same thing, regardless of what happened. When someone touches another person in such a situation, i.e. they are not friends or acquaintances, then they better have a damn good reason for touching you.

Even if Nestea was winning 10-0 in a bo21 and some stranger touched him during a game it would NOT be OK. You never know how that person will react at that given moment.

This is getting ridiculous.. just ignore what happened, Naniwa lost because of his play.
BeyondCtrL
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden642 Posts
August 15 2012 12:01 GMT
#1468
On August 15 2012 21:00 Ryps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 20:58 BeyondCtrL wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:46 o)_Saurus wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:39 BeyondCtrL wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:34 o)_Saurus wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:31 BeyondCtrL wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:19 AgniKai wrote:
박진영 ‏@EGJYP
@NaNiwaSC2 i doen't know u are playing tournament and u was a lot of bad words for me and that happen really sorry to you but u lost reason

박진영 ‏@EGJYP
@NaNiwaSC2 is not me just u lost why excuse that happen? that happen really sorry but your excuse is really fucking joke


It's obvious that Naniwa wasn't playing any good today. Whether this situation affected Nani only he can tell. What bothers me is that JYP thinks that touching a person is not disturbing especially when they need to focus. I know that Koreans have a different culture where it comes to physical contact with others but it's still quite rude to touch someone like that (especially when you're not close friends) and as far as I know JYP and Nani aren't even friends.

Would Nani have won if the situation never occurred? Most likely not. Did it bother him? Clearly it did. Was JYP at fault here? Yes.

For some people the idea of someone touching you and ruining your focus and tilting you is ridiculous. For others, however, it can do exactly that. It might be a bad excuse but in his mind it did really bother him and really that's what really counts in the end - his own state of mind and peace.


I know your swedish but you should stop making stupid excuses.
Naniwa lost and thats it. If a 10second touch influences 4 matches he has a serious problem with his mindset.


How is that excuse? Did you even read what I wrote? I'm talking about whether it's appropriate to touch someone like that during a tournament, not whether if the excuse is a valid one for him losing.


You indirectly said it. Especially in the last part. And now don't start a struggle about the definition of "excuses" because I won't reply to it. -_-


I'm not talking about the value of the excuse because IT'S NOT AN EXCUSE, I'm talking about what the player was feeling and how it relates to the appropriateness of such actions in that situation. Really every time I try to objectively take both sides into account, especially if Nani is at the center (because literally everyone either hates him or loves/likes him), people assume, just from my country, that I am defending Nani's person and actions..

Let's remove names all together and go through my post as such so your mind doesn't get confused.

Player A gets touched by another passerby for a few seconds at a tournament game. Q: Is it appropriate? Some people will say it's fine because it doesn't bother them. Well by that means if someone doesn't mind something then it should be fine, right? It would be if HE WERE THE ONLY PERSON THERE. Everyone reacts differently to such situations. Some won't mind and some will be negatively affected.

If this happened to any player I would be saying the exact same thing, regardless of what happened. When someone touches another person in such a situation, i.e. they are not friends or acquaintances, then they better have a damn good reason for touching you.

Even if Nestea was winning 10-0 in a bo21 and some stranger touched him during a game it would NOT be OK. You never know how that person will react at that given moment.

This is getting ridiculous.. just ignore what happened, Naniwa lost because of his play.


And another person who doesn't even bother to read the post.
Ludwigvan
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany2371 Posts
August 15 2012 12:02 GMT
#1469
Oh, Strelok is not meching this time, but sneaking in a couple of Raxes.
tns
Profile Joined June 2011
1054 Posts
August 15 2012 12:02 GMT
#1470
GOGO sunnygohan!!! *haha*
firebathero miss u♥! http://youtu.be/AXkoG9GnpcM - 1998/11/30 to 2001/05/18 BW stabilized! - WoL v.alpha HotS v.beta LotD v.gamma... summer 2017 SC3 (sc1remastered)
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
August 15 2012 12:02 GMT
#1471
On August 15 2012 21:00 Ryps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 20:58 BeyondCtrL wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:46 o)_Saurus wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:39 BeyondCtrL wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:34 o)_Saurus wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:31 BeyondCtrL wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:19 AgniKai wrote:
박진영 ‏@EGJYP
@NaNiwaSC2 i doen't know u are playing tournament and u was a lot of bad words for me and that happen really sorry to you but u lost reason

박진영 ‏@EGJYP
@NaNiwaSC2 is not me just u lost why excuse that happen? that happen really sorry but your excuse is really fucking joke


It's obvious that Naniwa wasn't playing any good today. Whether this situation affected Nani only he can tell. What bothers me is that JYP thinks that touching a person is not disturbing especially when they need to focus. I know that Koreans have a different culture where it comes to physical contact with others but it's still quite rude to touch someone like that (especially when you're not close friends) and as far as I know JYP and Nani aren't even friends.

Would Nani have won if the situation never occurred? Most likely not. Did it bother him? Clearly it did. Was JYP at fault here? Yes.

For some people the idea of someone touching you and ruining your focus and tilting you is ridiculous. For others, however, it can do exactly that. It might be a bad excuse but in his mind it did really bother him and really that's what really counts in the end - his own state of mind and peace.


I know your swedish but you should stop making stupid excuses.
Naniwa lost and thats it. If a 10second touch influences 4 matches he has a serious problem with his mindset.


How is that excuse? Did you even read what I wrote? I'm talking about whether it's appropriate to touch someone like that during a tournament, not whether if the excuse is a valid one for him losing.


You indirectly said it. Especially in the last part. And now don't start a struggle about the definition of "excuses" because I won't reply to it. -_-


I'm not talking about the value of the excuse because IT'S NOT AN EXCUSE, I'm talking about what the player was feeling and how it relates to the appropriateness of such actions in that situation. Really every time I try to objectively take both sides into account, especially if Nani is at the center (because literally everyone either hates him or loves/likes him), people assume, just from my country, that I am defending Nani's person and actions..

Let's remove names all together and go through my post as such so your mind doesn't get confused.

Player A gets touched by another passerby for a few seconds at a tournament game. Q: Is it appropriate? Some people will say it's fine because it doesn't bother them. Well by that means if someone doesn't mind something then it should be fine, right? It would be if HE WERE THE ONLY PERSON THERE. Everyone reacts differently to such situations. Some won't mind and some will be negatively affected.

If this happened to any player I would be saying the exact same thing, regardless of what happened. When someone touches another person in such a situation, i.e. they are not friends or acquaintances, then they better have a damn good reason for touching you.

Even if Nestea was winning 10-0 in a bo21 and some stranger touched him during a game it would NOT be OK. You never know how that person will react at that given moment.

This is getting ridiculous.. just ignore what happened, Naniwa lost because of his play.

Yeah exactly
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
August 15 2012 12:02 GMT
#1472
MVP better goes for mech <3
Terran & Potato Salad.
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
August 15 2012 12:03 GMT
#1473
On August 15 2012 20:59 Unibrow88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 20:58 Xoronius wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:58 Unibrow88 wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:56 shepherdxoxo wrote:
Oh what the fuck.. I should go to bed, good night guys.


Its 13:57... just should be awake for ~2hrs at max ...the fuck?!


Timezones...


Holland has the same Timezone as Germany... /facepalm


Yes, but he could be anywhere, holliday, work or whatever. The nation in his profile is pre-selected by himself, it does not change, when he travels.
Sareth
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1008 Posts
August 15 2012 12:03 GMT
#1474
On August 15 2012 20:55 furo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 20:52 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Can players have a production tab or is that for observers only?


how do you almost have 2000 posts and ask this question?


Maybe he played BW and no clue about SC2? (i guess)
shepherdxoxo
Profile Joined July 2012
Netherlands260 Posts
August 15 2012 12:03 GMT
#1475
LOL sunnygohan. I LOL'd
Rain <3
Champloo
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1850 Posts
August 15 2012 12:03 GMT
#1476
sunnygohan... Why aren't they using overlays?
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
August 15 2012 12:03 GMT
#1477
SunnyGohan?

Lol
twitch.tv/medrea
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10779 Posts
August 15 2012 12:04 GMT
#1478
On August 15 2012 21:00 Ryps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 20:58 BeyondCtrL wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:46 o)_Saurus wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:39 BeyondCtrL wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:34 o)_Saurus wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:31 BeyondCtrL wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:19 AgniKai wrote:
박진영 ‏@EGJYP
@NaNiwaSC2 i doen't know u are playing tournament and u was a lot of bad words for me and that happen really sorry to you but u lost reason

박진영 ‏@EGJYP
@NaNiwaSC2 is not me just u lost why excuse that happen? that happen really sorry but your excuse is really fucking joke


It's obvious that Naniwa wasn't playing any good today. Whether this situation affected Nani only he can tell. What bothers me is that JYP thinks that touching a person is not disturbing especially when they need to focus. I know that Koreans have a different culture where it comes to physical contact with others but it's still quite rude to touch someone like that (especially when you're not close friends) and as far as I know JYP and Nani aren't even friends.

Would Nani have won if the situation never occurred? Most likely not. Did it bother him? Clearly it did. Was JYP at fault here? Yes.

For some people the idea of someone touching you and ruining your focus and tilting you is ridiculous. For others, however, it can do exactly that. It might be a bad excuse but in his mind it did really bother him and really that's what really counts in the end - his own state of mind and peace.


I know your swedish but you should stop making stupid excuses.
Naniwa lost and thats it. If a 10second touch influences 4 matches he has a serious problem with his mindset.


How is that excuse? Did you even read what I wrote? I'm talking about whether it's appropriate to touch someone like that during a tournament, not whether if the excuse is a valid one for him losing.


You indirectly said it. Especially in the last part. And now don't start a struggle about the definition of "excuses" because I won't reply to it. -_-


I'm not talking about the value of the excuse because IT'S NOT AN EXCUSE, I'm talking about what the player was feeling and how it relates to the appropriateness of such actions in that situation. Really every time I try to objectively take both sides into account, especially if Nani is at the center (because literally everyone either hates him or loves/likes him), people assume, just from my country, that I am defending Nani's person and actions..

Let's remove names all together and go through my post as such so your mind doesn't get confused.

Player A gets touched by another passerby for a few seconds at a tournament game. Q: Is it appropriate? Some people will say it's fine because it doesn't bother them. Well by that means if someone doesn't mind something then it should be fine, right? It would be if HE WERE THE ONLY PERSON THERE. Everyone reacts differently to such situations. Some won't mind and some will be negatively affected.

If this happened to any player I would be saying the exact same thing, regardless of what happened. When someone touches another person in such a situation, i.e. they are not friends or acquaintances, then they better have a damn good reason for touching you.

Even if Nestea was winning 10-0 in a bo21 and some stranger touched him during a game it would NOT be OK. You never know how that person will react at that given moment.

This is getting ridiculous.. just ignore what happened, Naniwa lost because of his play.



No, Jyp should not have touched Naniwa.
No, Jyp is not to blame for Naniwa losing every game at this tournament.
Naniwa failed and went out because he played bad.

Get over it.
GregMandel
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
France822 Posts
August 15 2012 12:04 GMT
#1479
On August 15 2012 21:01 BeyondCtrL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 21:00 Ryps wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:58 BeyondCtrL wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:46 o)_Saurus wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:39 BeyondCtrL wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:34 o)_Saurus wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:31 BeyondCtrL wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:19 AgniKai wrote:
박진영 ‏@EGJYP
@NaNiwaSC2 i doen't know u are playing tournament and u was a lot of bad words for me and that happen really sorry to you but u lost reason

박진영 ‏@EGJYP
@NaNiwaSC2 is not me just u lost why excuse that happen? that happen really sorry but your excuse is really fucking joke


It's obvious that Naniwa wasn't playing any good today. Whether this situation affected Nani only he can tell. What bothers me is that JYP thinks that touching a person is not disturbing especially when they need to focus. I know that Koreans have a different culture where it comes to physical contact with others but it's still quite rude to touch someone like that (especially when you're not close friends) and as far as I know JYP and Nani aren't even friends.

Would Nani have won if the situation never occurred? Most likely not. Did it bother him? Clearly it did. Was JYP at fault here? Yes.

For some people the idea of someone touching you and ruining your focus and tilting you is ridiculous. For others, however, it can do exactly that. It might be a bad excuse but in his mind it did really bother him and really that's what really counts in the end - his own state of mind and peace.


I know your swedish but you should stop making stupid excuses.
Naniwa lost and thats it. If a 10second touch influences 4 matches he has a serious problem with his mindset.


How is that excuse? Did you even read what I wrote? I'm talking about whether it's appropriate to touch someone like that during a tournament, not whether if the excuse is a valid one for him losing.


You indirectly said it. Especially in the last part. And now don't start a struggle about the definition of "excuses" because I won't reply to it. -_-


I'm not talking about the value of the excuse because IT'S NOT AN EXCUSE, I'm talking about what the player was feeling and how it relates to the appropriateness of such actions in that situation. Really every time I try to objectively take both sides into account, especially if Nani is at the center (because literally everyone either hates him or loves/likes him), people assume, just from my country, that I am defending Nani's person and actions..

Let's remove names all together and go through my post as such so your mind doesn't get confused.

Player A gets touched by another passerby for a few seconds at a tournament game. Q: Is it appropriate? Some people will say it's fine because it doesn't bother them. Well by that means if someone doesn't mind something then it should be fine, right? It would be if HE WERE THE ONLY PERSON THERE. Everyone reacts differently to such situations. Some won't mind and some will be negatively affected.

If this happened to any player I would be saying the exact same thing, regardless of what happened. When someone touches another person in such a situation, i.e. they are not friends or acquaintances, then they better have a damn good reason for touching you.

Even if Nestea was winning 10-0 in a bo21 and some stranger touched him during a game it would NOT be OK. You never know how that person will react at that given moment.

This is getting ridiculous.. just ignore what happened, Naniwa lost because of his play.


And another person who doesn't even bother to read the post.

Who cares about your post, and anyways it's not JYP's fault for doing it, he apologized and clearly said he didnt know, and he also said that the game was lost no matter what, and I'll trust JYP over you, the game was lost because of Nani's play, even if JYP's move made him tilt, end of the theory crafting over Sweden pro players.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD8QLNiolfk - Racing with the sun
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 15 2012 12:04 GMT
#1480
[image loading] ESL TV/Day[9] TV: Mvp vs. TargA
[image loading] GLHF.tv: TBA

[image loading] TakeTV: Tarson vs. YongHwa
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[image loading] ESL Poland: Tarson vs. YongHwa
[image loading] sebajeiko: Mvp vs. TargA
[image loading] ALTTAB TV: Mvp vs. TargA
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