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Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
August 04 2012 22:12 GMT
#681
On August 05 2012 07:11 HaXXspetten wrote:
Somewhere... Naniwa is smirking


Especially because he really likes Creator.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
August 04 2012 22:12 GMT
#682
On August 05 2012 07:11 Talionis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2012 07:10 TheDwf wrote:
Failed probe attack

???

That was extremely effective.

The Zealot was...
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-04 22:13:11
August 04 2012 22:12 GMT
#683
On August 05 2012 07:08 furerkip wrote:
That was stupid -___-.

Day9 said that for 3 minutes in the game the Protoss would be pressured.

But I mean, if you think about it further, he just said that Protoss just had to defend against drops for 3 minutes and then they win.

And those drops did so much damage too... Creator with his large bank doesn't have to worry though, because of AoE. Oh you killed 3 Colossi? Too bad, here's some Zealots to kill you.

How the hell was Select supposed to stop that... I'm pretty sure Creator just chrono'd his probes and that was it until he had like 70 probes and then got chargelots.

I hope Select just rushes Creator next game, ridiculous Protoss power in macro games.


Did you watch Taeja vs MC?

btw, Creator can't lose from here.
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
August 04 2012 22:12 GMT
#684
What a rough start for Select.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
August 04 2012 22:12 GMT
#685
31 probes to 16 scvs this isn't going to go well for Select
Liquipedia
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4532 Posts
August 04 2012 22:12 GMT
#686
On August 05 2012 07:10 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2012 07:10 FataLe wrote:
On August 05 2012 07:08 Mtuhk wrote:
On August 05 2012 07:04 Pipeline wrote:
Its crazy how different the PvT matchup look if you compare Select vs Creator and MC vs Taeja.


Yeah, the "skill cap" (allthough it's not exactly a cap, you can allways become better) is just insane with terrans when you compare it to the other two. Then again when you start counting clear mistakes made by the terran player, not necessarily even micro mistakes but macro, and you'll be hard pressed to find any in Taeja's play unlike Select's.

This. I'm willing to gambit Select could look like TaeJa if his macro and decision was up to snuff.


there is still unit control to hard, and it's clearly the hardest in lategame TvP

Selects control in 200/200 battles usually is S class.
hi. big fan.
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
August 04 2012 22:13 GMT
#687
On August 05 2012 07:12 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2012 07:11 aviator116 wrote:
On August 05 2012 07:10 TheDwf wrote:
Failed probe attack

what?

Probes failed, but the Zealot got too many unnecessary kills.

Probes are there to delay the CC and force SCV pull. Terran's econ gets super far behind even though they went CC first because of the lost mining time, where Toss can continue to Chrono Probes and expo because the Terran will have 1 Marine.

That went exactly as Creator needed it to.
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
August 04 2012 22:13 GMT
#688
On August 05 2012 07:12 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2012 07:11 Talionis wrote:
On August 05 2012 07:10 TheDwf wrote:
Failed probe attack

???

That was extremely effective.

The Zealot was...


The probepull itself was crazy effective as well.
Talionis
Profile Joined November 2010
Scotland4085 Posts
August 04 2012 22:13 GMT
#689
On August 05 2012 07:12 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2012 07:11 Talionis wrote:
On August 05 2012 07:10 TheDwf wrote:
Failed probe attack

???

That was extremely effective.

The Zealot was...

The probes forced a lot of SCVs off mining before the zealot arrived. Lost a ton of mining time because of it.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
August 04 2012 22:13 GMT
#690
On August 05 2012 07:12 MCDayC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2012 07:08 Mtuhk wrote:
On August 05 2012 07:04 Pipeline wrote:
Its crazy how different the PvT matchup look if you compare Select vs Creator and MC vs Taeja.


Yeah, the "skill cap" (allthough it's not exactly a cap, you can allways become better) is just insane with terrans when you compare it to the other two. Then again when you start counting clear mistakes made by the terran player, not necessarily even micro mistakes but macro, and you'll be hard pressed to find any in Taeja's play unlike Select's.

lol, the Taeja hype has blinded you, Taeja is fucking AMAZING, but he still makes lots of clear macro mistakes, arguably the most mistakes of any of the top Terrans that are close to his skill.


his builds choice are sometimes pretty stupide too. A tad too greedy from time to time.
Zest fanboy.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
August 04 2012 22:13 GMT
#691
On August 05 2012 07:12 imallinson wrote:
31 probes to 16 scvs this isn't going to go well for Select

MULEs got it no problem
gogogo Select!
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imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
August 04 2012 22:14 GMT
#692
On August 05 2012 07:12 FataLe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2012 07:10 sAsImre wrote:
On August 05 2012 07:10 FataLe wrote:
On August 05 2012 07:08 Mtuhk wrote:
On August 05 2012 07:04 Pipeline wrote:
Its crazy how different the PvT matchup look if you compare Select vs Creator and MC vs Taeja.


Yeah, the "skill cap" (allthough it's not exactly a cap, you can allways become better) is just insane with terrans when you compare it to the other two. Then again when you start counting clear mistakes made by the terran player, not necessarily even micro mistakes but macro, and you'll be hard pressed to find any in Taeja's play unlike Select's.

This. I'm willing to gambit Select could look like TaeJa if his macro and decision was up to snuff.


there is still unit control to hard, and it's clearly the hardest in lategame TvP

Selects control in 200/200 battles usually is S class.


was 2years ago ? nothing has been S class in Select's play for a long time.
Zest fanboy.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 04 2012 22:14 GMT
#693
Colossus + probe timing ez pz.
Glorious SEA doto
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
August 04 2012 22:14 GMT
#694
On August 05 2012 07:13 Talionis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2012 07:12 TheDwf wrote:
On August 05 2012 07:11 Talionis wrote:
On August 05 2012 07:10 TheDwf wrote:
Failed probe attack

???

That was extremely effective.

The Zealot was...

The probes forced a lot of SCVs off mining before the zealot arrived. Lost a ton of mining time because of it.


The Probes didn't do their worth in damage assuming it was only to slow the CC and prevent mining time. But they keep the T occupied until the Zealot comes. I think you're just arguing semantics w/ The Dwf.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
August 04 2012 22:14 GMT
#695
On August 05 2012 07:13 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2012 07:12 TheDwf wrote:
On August 05 2012 07:11 aviator116 wrote:
On August 05 2012 07:10 TheDwf wrote:
Failed probe attack

what?

Probes failed, but the Zealot got too many unnecessary kills.

Probes are there to delay the CC and force SCV pull. Terran's econ gets super far behind even though they went CC first because of the lost mining time, where Toss can continue to Chrono Probes and expo because the Terran will have 1 Marine.

That went exactly as Creator needed it to.

Not really, once the CC is finished the Terran can retreat to his main behind his wall. SeleCT lost 5 SCVs because he wanted to bunker on lowground, he could have kept all of them safely at main while waiting enough Marines to go down.
Xxavi
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1248 Posts
August 04 2012 22:14 GMT
#696
Creator outclassed Select in this series.
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4532 Posts
August 04 2012 22:15 GMT
#697
On August 05 2012 07:14 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2012 07:12 FataLe wrote:
On August 05 2012 07:10 sAsImre wrote:
On August 05 2012 07:10 FataLe wrote:
On August 05 2012 07:08 Mtuhk wrote:
On August 05 2012 07:04 Pipeline wrote:
Its crazy how different the PvT matchup look if you compare Select vs Creator and MC vs Taeja.


Yeah, the "skill cap" (allthough it's not exactly a cap, you can allways become better) is just insane with terrans when you compare it to the other two. Then again when you start counting clear mistakes made by the terran player, not necessarily even micro mistakes but macro, and you'll be hard pressed to find any in Taeja's play unlike Select's.

This. I'm willing to gambit Select could look like TaeJa if his macro and decision was up to snuff.


there is still unit control to hard, and it's clearly the hardest in lategame TvP

Selects control in 200/200 battles usually is S class.


was 2years ago ? nothing has been S class in Select's play for a long time.

Idk man.. I say he's still got something in the micro department.
hi. big fan.
furerkip
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States439 Posts
August 04 2012 22:15 GMT
#698
15 CC one weird as hell opener on such a small map...
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
August 04 2012 22:15 GMT
#699
On August 05 2012 07:13 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2012 07:12 MCDayC wrote:
On August 05 2012 07:08 Mtuhk wrote:
On August 05 2012 07:04 Pipeline wrote:
Its crazy how different the PvT matchup look if you compare Select vs Creator and MC vs Taeja.


Yeah, the "skill cap" (allthough it's not exactly a cap, you can allways become better) is just insane with terrans when you compare it to the other two. Then again when you start counting clear mistakes made by the terran player, not necessarily even micro mistakes but macro, and you'll be hard pressed to find any in Taeja's play unlike Select's.

lol, the Taeja hype has blinded you, Taeja is fucking AMAZING, but he still makes lots of clear macro mistakes, arguably the most mistakes of any of the top Terrans that are close to his skill.


his builds choice are sometimes pretty stupide too. A tad too greedy from time to time.

Stupid is the wrong word imo, though he certainly doesn't compare to the genius and just general build order smartness of MVP when MVP crushing. He makes up for it with just disgusting control, multitasking, and ability to safely pressure without being punished.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
August 04 2012 22:15 GMT
#700
On August 05 2012 07:14 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2012 07:13 Shiori wrote:
On August 05 2012 07:12 TheDwf wrote:
On August 05 2012 07:11 aviator116 wrote:
On August 05 2012 07:10 TheDwf wrote:
Failed probe attack

what?

Probes failed, but the Zealot got too many unnecessary kills.

Probes are there to delay the CC and force SCV pull. Terran's econ gets super far behind even though they went CC first because of the lost mining time, where Toss can continue to Chrono Probes and expo because the Terran will have 1 Marine.

That went exactly as Creator needed it to.

Not really, once the CC is finished the Terran can retreat to his main behind his wall. SeleCT lost 5 SCVs because he wanted to bunker on lowground, he could have kept all of them safely at main while waiting enough Marines to go down.

...And he would have had no CC, because the Probes are there to deny the building SCV. Unless you pull SCVs, you can't actually finish the CC. If you bunker on the highground, the Protoss laughs at you and just gets an even earlier expand.
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