|
On August 05 2012 07:15 furerkip wrote:
15 CC one weird as hell opener on such a small map...
Select knows he has to cut mad corners to have a shot at taking this series back.
|
On August 05 2012 07:13 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 07:12 MCDayC wrote:On August 05 2012 07:08 Mtuhk wrote:On August 05 2012 07:04 Pipeline wrote:
Its crazy how different the PvT matchup look if you compare Select vs Creator and MC vs Taeja. Yeah, the "skill cap" (allthough it's not exactly a cap, you can allways become better) is just insane with terrans when you compare it to the other two. Then again when you start counting clear mistakes made by the terran player, not necessarily even micro mistakes but macro, and you'll be hard pressed to find any in Taeja's play unlike Select's. lol, the Taeja hype has blinded you, Taeja is fucking AMAZING, but he still makes lots of clear macro mistakes, arguably the most mistakes of any of the top Terrans that are close to his skill. his builds choice are sometimes pretty stupide too. A tad too greedy from time to time.
He has...weird builds at times. 11/14 rax, 14cc into 2rax, 2gas and such. Biggest thing i feel he could still improve on is macro  He always floats 1, 1.5k in the mid-game, even though he'll miss SCVs.
|
On August 05 2012 07:13 Talionis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 07:12 TheDwf wrote:On August 05 2012 07:11 Talionis wrote:On August 05 2012 07:10 TheDwf wrote:
Failed probe attack ??? That was extremely effective. The Zealot was... The probes forced a lot of SCVs off mining before the zealot arrived. Lost a ton of mining time because of it.
Protoss loses as much mining time, his tech and Nexus are delayed and he does not have 2 MULEs to catch up. SeleCT messed up the Zealot follow-up, he handled the Probe part just fine.
|
On August 05 2012 07:15 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 07:14 sAsImre wrote:On August 05 2012 07:12 FataLe wrote:On August 05 2012 07:10 sAsImre wrote:On August 05 2012 07:10 FataLe wrote:On August 05 2012 07:08 Mtuhk wrote:On August 05 2012 07:04 Pipeline wrote:
Its crazy how different the PvT matchup look if you compare Select vs Creator and MC vs Taeja. Yeah, the "skill cap" (allthough it's not exactly a cap, you can allways become better) is just insane with terrans when you compare it to the other two. Then again when you start counting clear mistakes made by the terran player, not necessarily even micro mistakes but macro, and you'll be hard pressed to find any in Taeja's play unlike Select's. This. I'm willing to gambit Select could look like TaeJa if his macro and decision was up to snuff. there is still unit control to hard, and it's clearly the hardest in lategame TvP Selects control in 200/200 battles usually is S class. was 2years ago ? nothing has been S class in Select's play for a long time. Idk man.. I say he's still got something in the micro department.
yes but not really in those big 200/200 fights, tho insmall skirmishes he's still really good (which is useful as T)
|
On August 05 2012 07:16 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 07:13 Talionis wrote:On August 05 2012 07:12 TheDwf wrote:On August 05 2012 07:11 Talionis wrote:On August 05 2012 07:10 TheDwf wrote:
Failed probe attack ??? That was extremely effective. The Zealot was... The probes forced a lot of SCVs off mining before the zealot arrived. Lost a ton of mining time because of it. Protoss loses as much mining time, his tech and Nexus are delayed and he does not have 2 MULEs to catch up. SeleCT messed up the Zealot follow-up, he handled the Probe part just fine.
You don't get it. You can't finish the CC unless you pull SCVs.
|
On August 05 2012 07:13 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 07:12 MCDayC wrote:On August 05 2012 07:08 Mtuhk wrote:On August 05 2012 07:04 Pipeline wrote:
Its crazy how different the PvT matchup look if you compare Select vs Creator and MC vs Taeja. Yeah, the "skill cap" (allthough it's not exactly a cap, you can allways become better) is just insane with terrans when you compare it to the other two. Then again when you start counting clear mistakes made by the terran player, not necessarily even micro mistakes but macro, and you'll be hard pressed to find any in Taeja's play unlike Select's. lol, the Taeja hype has blinded you, Taeja is fucking AMAZING, but he still makes lots of clear macro mistakes, arguably the most mistakes of any of the top Terrans that are close to his skill. his builds choice are sometimes pretty stupide too. A tad too greedy from time to time.
Taeja has the undisputed best army control of all terrans in the world.
when it comes to builds and macro, i would say MVP is on a much higher level.
if you could combine the two... you would get Flash.
|
The fake colossus storm switch!
|
Ouch select taking the bait and building vikings against 1 no range collosus
|
On August 05 2012 07:16 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 07:15 FataLe wrote:On August 05 2012 07:14 sAsImre wrote:On August 05 2012 07:12 FataLe wrote:On August 05 2012 07:10 sAsImre wrote:On August 05 2012 07:10 FataLe wrote:On August 05 2012 07:08 Mtuhk wrote:On August 05 2012 07:04 Pipeline wrote:
Its crazy how different the PvT matchup look if you compare Select vs Creator and MC vs Taeja. Yeah, the "skill cap" (allthough it's not exactly a cap, you can allways become better) is just insane with terrans when you compare it to the other two. Then again when you start counting clear mistakes made by the terran player, not necessarily even micro mistakes but macro, and you'll be hard pressed to find any in Taeja's play unlike Select's. This. I'm willing to gambit Select could look like TaeJa if his macro and decision was up to snuff. there is still unit control to hard, and it's clearly the hardest in lategame TvP Selects control in 200/200 battles usually is S class. was 2years ago ? nothing has been S class in Select's play for a long time. Idk man.. I say he's still got something in the micro department. yes but not really in those big 200/200 fights, tho insmall skirmishes he's still really good (which is useful as T)
Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
|
On August 05 2012 07:15 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 07:14 TheDwf wrote:On August 05 2012 07:13 Shiori wrote:On August 05 2012 07:12 TheDwf wrote:On August 05 2012 07:11 aviator116 wrote:On August 05 2012 07:10 TheDwf wrote:
Failed probe attack what? Probes failed, but the Zealot got too many unnecessary kills. Probes are there to delay the CC and force SCV pull. Terran's econ gets super far behind even though they went CC first because of the lost mining time, where Toss can continue to Chrono Probes and expo because the Terran will have 1 Marine. That went exactly as Creator needed it to. Not really, once the CC is finished the Terran can retreat to his main behind his wall. SeleCT lost 5 SCVs because he wanted to bunker on lowground, he could have kept all of them safely at main while waiting enough Marines to go down. ...And he would have had no CC, because the Probes are there to deny the building SCV. Unless you pull SCVs, you can't actually finish the CC. If you bunker on the highground, the Protoss laughs at you and just gets an even earlier expand.
You retreat at main AFTER the CC is complete, isn't it obvious?
|
On August 05 2012 07:16 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 07:13 sAsImre wrote:On August 05 2012 07:12 MCDayC wrote:On August 05 2012 07:08 Mtuhk wrote:On August 05 2012 07:04 Pipeline wrote:
Its crazy how different the PvT matchup look if you compare Select vs Creator and MC vs Taeja. Yeah, the "skill cap" (allthough it's not exactly a cap, you can allways become better) is just insane with terrans when you compare it to the other two. Then again when you start counting clear mistakes made by the terran player, not necessarily even micro mistakes but macro, and you'll be hard pressed to find any in Taeja's play unlike Select's. lol, the Taeja hype has blinded you, Taeja is fucking AMAZING, but he still makes lots of clear macro mistakes, arguably the most mistakes of any of the top Terrans that are close to his skill. his builds choice are sometimes pretty stupide too. A tad too greedy from time to time. Taeja has the undisputed best army control of all terrans in the world. when it comes to builds and macro, i would say MVP is on a much higher level. if you could combine the two... you would get Flash.
I'd say MKP have something to say about army control.
Taeja have better decision making than MKP though
|
select will have 1-2 at the time 3-3 finishes for creator TT
|
On August 05 2012 07:16 aviator116 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 07:13 sAsImre wrote:On August 05 2012 07:12 MCDayC wrote:On August 05 2012 07:08 Mtuhk wrote:On August 05 2012 07:04 Pipeline wrote:
Its crazy how different the PvT matchup look if you compare Select vs Creator and MC vs Taeja. Yeah, the "skill cap" (allthough it's not exactly a cap, you can allways become better) is just insane with terrans when you compare it to the other two. Then again when you start counting clear mistakes made by the terran player, not necessarily even micro mistakes but macro, and you'll be hard pressed to find any in Taeja's play unlike Select's. lol, the Taeja hype has blinded you, Taeja is fucking AMAZING, but he still makes lots of clear macro mistakes, arguably the most mistakes of any of the top Terrans that are close to his skill. his builds choice are sometimes pretty stupide too. A tad too greedy from time to time. He has...weird builds at times. 11/14 rax, 14cc into 2rax, 2gas and such. Biggest thing i feel he could still improve on is macro He always floats 1, 1.5k in the mid-game, even though he'll miss SCVs.
when'll get replays we'll see how much he's queing, that's the best indicator macro wise for T. (and even Mvp/Bomber/MKP queue quite a bit)
|
United Kingdom14464 Posts
Creator with a 40 supply lead, Select is just dead.
|
Really love Creator PvT: Colossi into Storm,not viceversa
<3
|
On August 05 2012 07:17 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 07:15 Shiori wrote:On August 05 2012 07:14 TheDwf wrote:On August 05 2012 07:13 Shiori wrote:On August 05 2012 07:12 TheDwf wrote:On August 05 2012 07:11 aviator116 wrote:On August 05 2012 07:10 TheDwf wrote:
Failed probe attack what? Probes failed, but the Zealot got too many unnecessary kills. Probes are there to delay the CC and force SCV pull. Terran's econ gets super far behind even though they went CC first because of the lost mining time, where Toss can continue to Chrono Probes and expo because the Terran will have 1 Marine. That went exactly as Creator needed it to. Not really, once the CC is finished the Terran can retreat to his main behind his wall. SeleCT lost 5 SCVs because he wanted to bunker on lowground, he could have kept all of them safely at main while waiting enough Marines to go down. ...And he would have had no CC, because the Probes are there to deny the building SCV. Unless you pull SCVs, you can't actually finish the CC. If you bunker on the highground, the Protoss laughs at you and just gets an even earlier expand. You retreat at main AFTER the CC is complete, isn't it obvious?
You need to pull SCVs to complete the CC or else your constructing SCV will die.
|
On August 05 2012 07:16 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 07:13 sAsImre wrote:On August 05 2012 07:12 MCDayC wrote:On August 05 2012 07:08 Mtuhk wrote:On August 05 2012 07:04 Pipeline wrote:
Its crazy how different the PvT matchup look if you compare Select vs Creator and MC vs Taeja. Yeah, the "skill cap" (allthough it's not exactly a cap, you can allways become better) is just insane with terrans when you compare it to the other two. Then again when you start counting clear mistakes made by the terran player, not necessarily even micro mistakes but macro, and you'll be hard pressed to find any in Taeja's play unlike Select's. lol, the Taeja hype has blinded you, Taeja is fucking AMAZING, but he still makes lots of clear macro mistakes, arguably the most mistakes of any of the top Terrans that are close to his skill. his builds choice are sometimes pretty stupide too. A tad too greedy from time to time. Taeja has the undisputed best army control of all terrans in the world. when it comes to builds and macro, i would say MVP is on a much higher level. if you could combine the two... you would get Flash.
I'd actually put Byun above Taeja in terms of army control, but Taeja over Byun in terms of solid play.
|
On August 05 2012 07:17 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 07:16 sAsImre wrote:On August 05 2012 07:15 FataLe wrote:On August 05 2012 07:14 sAsImre wrote:On August 05 2012 07:12 FataLe wrote:On August 05 2012 07:10 sAsImre wrote:On August 05 2012 07:10 FataLe wrote:On August 05 2012 07:08 Mtuhk wrote:On August 05 2012 07:04 Pipeline wrote:
Its crazy how different the PvT matchup look if you compare Select vs Creator and MC vs Taeja. Yeah, the "skill cap" (allthough it's not exactly a cap, you can allways become better) is just insane with terrans when you compare it to the other two. Then again when you start counting clear mistakes made by the terran player, not necessarily even micro mistakes but macro, and you'll be hard pressed to find any in Taeja's play unlike Select's. This. I'm willing to gambit Select could look like TaeJa if his macro and decision was up to snuff. there is still unit control to hard, and it's clearly the hardest in lategame TvP Selects control in 200/200 battles usually is S class. was 2years ago ? nothing has been S class in Select's play for a long time. Idk man.. I say he's still got something in the micro department. yes but not really in those big 200/200 fights, tho insmall skirmishes he's still really good (which is useful as T) Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
And hoping Select will have other occasions to prove i'm wrong 
|
On August 05 2012 07:18 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 07:17 FataLe wrote:On August 05 2012 07:16 sAsImre wrote:On August 05 2012 07:15 FataLe wrote:On August 05 2012 07:14 sAsImre wrote:On August 05 2012 07:12 FataLe wrote:On August 05 2012 07:10 sAsImre wrote:On August 05 2012 07:10 FataLe wrote:On August 05 2012 07:08 Mtuhk wrote:On August 05 2012 07:04 Pipeline wrote:
Its crazy how different the PvT matchup look if you compare Select vs Creator and MC vs Taeja. Yeah, the "skill cap" (allthough it's not exactly a cap, you can allways become better) is just insane with terrans when you compare it to the other two. Then again when you start counting clear mistakes made by the terran player, not necessarily even micro mistakes but macro, and you'll be hard pressed to find any in Taeja's play unlike Select's. This. I'm willing to gambit Select could look like TaeJa if his macro and decision was up to snuff. there is still unit control to hard, and it's clearly the hardest in lategame TvP Selects control in 200/200 battles usually is S class. was 2years ago ? nothing has been S class in Select's play for a long time. Idk man.. I say he's still got something in the micro department. yes but not really in those big 200/200 fights, tho insmall skirmishes he's still really good (which is useful as T) Guess we'll have to agree to disagree. And hoping Select will have other occasions to prove i'm wrong
haha you and me both!
|
On August 05 2012 07:17 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 07:17 TheDwf wrote:On August 05 2012 07:15 Shiori wrote:On August 05 2012 07:14 TheDwf wrote:On August 05 2012 07:13 Shiori wrote:On August 05 2012 07:12 TheDwf wrote:On August 05 2012 07:11 aviator116 wrote:On August 05 2012 07:10 TheDwf wrote:
Failed probe attack what? Probes failed, but the Zealot got too many unnecessary kills. Probes are there to delay the CC and force SCV pull. Terran's econ gets super far behind even though they went CC first because of the lost mining time, where Toss can continue to Chrono Probes and expo because the Terran will have 1 Marine. That went exactly as Creator needed it to. Not really, once the CC is finished the Terran can retreat to his main behind his wall. SeleCT lost 5 SCVs because he wanted to bunker on lowground, he could have kept all of them safely at main while waiting enough Marines to go down. ...And he would have had no CC, because the Probes are there to deny the building SCV. Unless you pull SCVs, you can't actually finish the CC. If you bunker on the highground, the Protoss laughs at you and just gets an even earlier expand. You retreat at main AFTER the CC is complete, isn't it obvious? You need to pull SCVs to complete the CC or else your constructing SCV will die.
Are you trolling me?
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
