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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46221 Posts
July 08 2012 01:25 GMT
#841
This match looks over...
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Picklebread
Profile Joined June 2011
808 Posts
July 08 2012 01:26 GMT
#842
Illusion i think just needs more experience. He should have been 1-0 over mma and i think he shouldve beat hero 2-0.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 08 2012 01:26 GMT
#843
GG nice games, very enjoyable.

Illusion put up a good fight.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
July 08 2012 01:26 GMT
#844
MMA showing some solid play in TvT.
aznball123
Profile Joined February 2012
2759 Posts
July 08 2012 01:26 GMT
#845
Yay, MMA!
Feel bad for Illusion though, no one expected him to win although, he did play really well, I think he can be a really really good player with more experience.
Mmm, what to watch.
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
July 08 2012 01:26 GMT
#846
That was a GREAT TvT....props to Illusion and MMA.
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
July 08 2012 01:26 GMT
#847
SOOOOO HANDSOME
MMA: The true King of Wings
legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
July 08 2012 01:26 GMT
#848
MMA looks depressed
No GG, No Skill - Jaedong <3
Heinsenzerg
Profile Joined September 2011
Argentina2279 Posts
July 08 2012 01:27 GMT
#849
is there an audience??
MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
July 08 2012 01:27 GMT
#850
On July 08 2012 10:22 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 10:21 hitpoint wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:19 andaylin wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:18 hitpoint wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:16 honed wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:15 andaylin wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:13 honed wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:08 Whatson wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:07 honed wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:06 Whatson wrote:
[quote]
Go watch his Blizzard Cup games, or the games of him vs Zenio/Killer/DIMAGA/Violet at IEM

ive seen all of them and i agree that he used to be good

So then read all the quotes and actually look at the discussion before you comment

so youre saying because he used to dominate, he should still dominate? im not sure i follow

yes, because going from 80% to probably below 50% is a huge difference.

he got worse. im not saying the game is balanced, it's obviously in favor of zerg right now. but i think you overestimate this and underestimate mma's change in skill


He's also underestimating meta game shift. MMA is still going marine/tank when every other terran has changed up their play significantly and usually going heavy bio.

uh, no. marine tank is still the standard.... don't know what you're talking about.


It's not actually. I don't think I can keep responding to you without having my posts deteriorate. Good day.

The only person who makes pure bio work is MKP, because of his micro. But against DRG, he still goes bio-tank.


that's absolutely not true at all. I've seen tons of players pull off pure bio like MMA, Dream, alive, ryung.
Players: MMA, Boxer, Ryung, Life, TaeJa, Squirtle, Brown, Dark,
MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
July 08 2012 01:27 GMT
#851
Illusion needs to go to korea, he has so much potential its ridiculous
Players: MMA, Boxer, Ryung, Life, TaeJa, Squirtle, Brown, Dark,
VeNoM HaZ Skill
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
July 08 2012 01:27 GMT
#852
MMA seems to be losing skill because of the loss of the SlayerS terran's secret - look as dead on the inside as possible.
#1 MMA fan! I like you too Taeja. Still patiently waiting for the Crown Prince to become the King.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46221 Posts
July 08 2012 01:27 GMT
#853
Hero vs. DRG Bo5 incoming
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
July 08 2012 01:28 GMT
#854
On July 08 2012 10:27 MasterKang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 10:22 Whatson wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:21 hitpoint wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:19 andaylin wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:18 hitpoint wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:16 honed wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:15 andaylin wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:13 honed wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:08 Whatson wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:07 honed wrote:
[quote]
ive seen all of them and i agree that he used to be good

So then read all the quotes and actually look at the discussion before you comment

so youre saying because he used to dominate, he should still dominate? im not sure i follow

yes, because going from 80% to probably below 50% is a huge difference.

he got worse. im not saying the game is balanced, it's obviously in favor of zerg right now. but i think you overestimate this and underestimate mma's change in skill


He's also underestimating meta game shift. MMA is still going marine/tank when every other terran has changed up their play significantly and usually going heavy bio.

uh, no. marine tank is still the standard.... don't know what you're talking about.


It's not actually. I don't think I can keep responding to you without having my posts deteriorate. Good day.

The only person who makes pure bio work is MKP, because of his micro. But against DRG, he still goes bio-tank.


that's absolutely not true at all. I've seen tons of players pull off pure bio like MMA, Dream, alive, ryung.

That's true, but MKP just does it more so it appears like he's the only one lol
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
Crowned
Profile Joined August 2011
United States368 Posts
July 08 2012 01:28 GMT
#855
On July 08 2012 10:22 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 10:21 hitpoint wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:19 andaylin wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:18 hitpoint wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:16 honed wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:15 andaylin wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:13 honed wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:08 Whatson wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:07 honed wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:06 Whatson wrote:
[quote]
Go watch his Blizzard Cup games, or the games of him vs Zenio/Killer/DIMAGA/Violet at IEM

ive seen all of them and i agree that he used to be good

So then read all the quotes and actually look at the discussion before you comment

so youre saying because he used to dominate, he should still dominate? im not sure i follow

yes, because going from 80% to probably below 50% is a huge difference.

he got worse. im not saying the game is balanced, it's obviously in favor of zerg right now. but i think you overestimate this and underestimate mma's change in skill


He's also underestimating meta game shift. MMA is still going marine/tank when every other terran has changed up their play significantly and usually going heavy bio.

uh, no. marine tank is still the standard.... don't know what you're talking about.


It's not actually. I don't think I can keep responding to you without having my posts deteriorate. Good day.

The only person who makes pure bio work is MKP, because of his micro. But against DRG, he still goes bio-tank.


No, Pure bio is pretty much the TvZ standard metagame at high levels right now.
It's cool to love to win, but it's better to hate to lose.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-08 01:30:18
July 08 2012 01:28 GMT
#856
On July 08 2012 10:27 MasterKang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 10:22 Whatson wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:21 hitpoint wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:19 andaylin wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:18 hitpoint wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:16 honed wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:15 andaylin wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:13 honed wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:08 Whatson wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:07 honed wrote:
[quote]
ive seen all of them and i agree that he used to be good

So then read all the quotes and actually look at the discussion before you comment

so youre saying because he used to dominate, he should still dominate? im not sure i follow

yes, because going from 80% to probably below 50% is a huge difference.

he got worse. im not saying the game is balanced, it's obviously in favor of zerg right now. but i think you overestimate this and underestimate mma's change in skill


He's also underestimating meta game shift. MMA is still going marine/tank when every other terran has changed up their play significantly and usually going heavy bio.

uh, no. marine tank is still the standard.... don't know what you're talking about.


It's not actually. I don't think I can keep responding to you without having my posts deteriorate. Good day.

The only person who makes pure bio work is MKP, because of his micro. But against DRG, he still goes bio-tank.


that's absolutely not true at all. I've seen tons of players pull off pure bio like MMA, Dream, alive, ryung.

...against a player like DRG, Life, Leenock, or Symbol?
At least that's the parameters I thought were relevant, not exactly sure...I mean the last GSL TvZs I've watched have all used tanks
I know other players do it occasionally, but MKP is the only one who consistently does it all the time and gets results for it.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
_Proto_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States157 Posts
July 08 2012 01:28 GMT
#857
Nice job MMA! Illusion has nothing to be dissapointed about - he played some great games
hitpoint
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1511 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-08 01:30:17
July 08 2012 01:28 GMT
#858
On July 08 2012 10:27 MasterKang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 10:22 Whatson wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:21 hitpoint wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:19 andaylin wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:18 hitpoint wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:16 honed wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:15 andaylin wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:13 honed wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:08 Whatson wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:07 honed wrote:
[quote]
ive seen all of them and i agree that he used to be good

So then read all the quotes and actually look at the discussion before you comment

so youre saying because he used to dominate, he should still dominate? im not sure i follow

yes, because going from 80% to probably below 50% is a huge difference.

he got worse. im not saying the game is balanced, it's obviously in favor of zerg right now. but i think you overestimate this and underestimate mma's change in skill


He's also underestimating meta game shift. MMA is still going marine/tank when every other terran has changed up their play significantly and usually going heavy bio.

uh, no. marine tank is still the standard.... don't know what you're talking about.


It's not actually. I don't think I can keep responding to you without having my posts deteriorate. Good day.

The only person who makes pure bio work is MKP, because of his micro. But against DRG, he still goes bio-tank.


that's absolutely not true at all. I've seen tons of players pull off pure bio like MMA, Dream, alive, ryung.


Thank you. I've seen mmm and banshee openers making a huge comeback vs Z in the past two weeks. I think we all have. All the terrans who stream are practicing bio, etc.
It's spelled LOSE not LOOSE.
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
July 08 2012 01:29 GMT
#859
On July 08 2012 10:27 Heinsenzerg wrote:
is there an audience??


Some pimped cars
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
July 08 2012 01:29 GMT
#860
On July 08 2012 10:28 Crowned wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 10:22 Whatson wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:21 hitpoint wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:19 andaylin wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:18 hitpoint wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:16 honed wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:15 andaylin wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:13 honed wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:08 Whatson wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:07 honed wrote:
[quote]
ive seen all of them and i agree that he used to be good

So then read all the quotes and actually look at the discussion before you comment

so youre saying because he used to dominate, he should still dominate? im not sure i follow

yes, because going from 80% to probably below 50% is a huge difference.

he got worse. im not saying the game is balanced, it's obviously in favor of zerg right now. but i think you overestimate this and underestimate mma's change in skill


He's also underestimating meta game shift. MMA is still going marine/tank when every other terran has changed up their play significantly and usually going heavy bio.

uh, no. marine tank is still the standard.... don't know what you're talking about.


It's not actually. I don't think I can keep responding to you without having my posts deteriorate. Good day.

The only person who makes pure bio work is MKP, because of his micro. But against DRG, he still goes bio-tank.


No, Pure bio is pretty much the TvZ standard metagame at high levels right now.

strange, I recall seeing many tanks in the recent GSL TvZs
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
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