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On July 08 2012 10:04 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 10:03 hitpoint wrote:On July 08 2012 09:58 InDesconrowl wrote:On July 08 2012 09:52 andaylin wrote:On July 08 2012 09:50 hitpoint wrote:On July 08 2012 09:48 InDesconrowl wrote:On July 08 2012 09:43 kubiks wrote:On July 08 2012 09:36 SeeKeR wrote:On July 08 2012 09:35 InDesconrowl wrote:On July 08 2012 09:30 s3rp wrote:
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Every Terran is slumping in TvZ.... Name 1 Terran who would be favored against DRG/Symbol/Coca/Life/Nestea? None. And that is why the most recent patch is pissing off everyone. BECAUSE no one is favored currently against any of those players you just mentioned Like there were not even once terran no zerg was favored against... MMA still have 70% winrate in TvZ, Happy 73%... No zerg have more than 70% winrzte in ZvT (will change soon if no blizzard patch occurs) Zerg is imba in TvZ, but the fact no terran is favored agaisnt zerg isn't a problem. The problem is that you don't feeel a terran can reliably win a game without the zerg messing up... You do know MMA used to have 80%+ winrate in TvZ? Sounds balanced. Seriously, nobody should have win rates like that. Thank God for the patch. Why the hell not, his TvZ play was a piece of art with the amount of multitasking it involved. Agreed. This guy who says no one should have higher than 50% winrate doesn't know what he is talking about. I bet he wants blizzard to nerf Brood War Terran because Flash has a high winrate. I didn't say 50% anywhere in my post. But 80% is absurd. MMA isn't a bonjwa, and he shouldn't be able to dominate a race that hard in a balanced matchup. DRG had a greater than 70% TvZ ratio for a similar period of time. Stats like that mean NOTHING. And have you seen MMA's TvZ at its height? Good god yes he deserved that 80% winrate
Lol yea I've seen MMA at his height. I've probably watched him more than you. 70% and 80% are not even close when talking balance.
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On July 08 2012 10:06 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 10:05 honed wrote:On July 08 2012 10:04 andaylin wrote:On July 08 2012 10:03 hitpoint wrote:On July 08 2012 09:58 InDesconrowl wrote:On July 08 2012 09:52 andaylin wrote:On July 08 2012 09:50 hitpoint wrote:On July 08 2012 09:48 InDesconrowl wrote:On July 08 2012 09:43 kubiks wrote:On July 08 2012 09:36 SeeKeR wrote:
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None.
And that is why the most recent patch is pissing off everyone. BECAUSE no one is favored currently against any of those players you just mentioned Like there were not even once terran no zerg was favored against... MMA still have 70% winrate in TvZ, Happy 73%... No zerg have more than 70% winrzte in ZvT (will change soon if no blizzard patch occurs) Zerg is imba in TvZ, but the fact no terran is favored agaisnt zerg isn't a problem. The problem is that you don't feeel a terran can reliably win a game without the zerg messing up... You do know MMA used to have 80%+ winrate in TvZ? Sounds balanced. Seriously, nobody should have win rates like that. Thank God for the patch. Why the hell not, his TvZ play was a piece of art with the amount of multitasking it involved. Agreed. This guy who says no one should have higher than 50% winrate doesn't know what he is talking about. I bet he wants blizzard to nerf Brood War Terran because Flash has a high winrate. I didn't say 50% anywhere in my post. But 80% is absurd. MMA isn't a bonjwa, and he shouldn't be able to dominate a race that hard in a balanced matchup. if you have ever seen his TvZ, yes, yes he should be able to dominate zerg. we all just saw him get smashed 2 times by drg Go watch his Blizzard Cup games, or the games of him vs Zenio/Killer/DIMAGA/Violet at IEM
ive seen all of them and i agree that he used to be good
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This kid tells the truth, but he's not crass about it. Props kid, you know your place!
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Gogo Illusion, take that game 2.
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On July 08 2012 10:07 honed wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 10:06 Whatson wrote:On July 08 2012 10:05 honed wrote:On July 08 2012 10:04 andaylin wrote:On July 08 2012 10:03 hitpoint wrote:On July 08 2012 09:58 InDesconrowl wrote:On July 08 2012 09:52 andaylin wrote:On July 08 2012 09:50 hitpoint wrote:On July 08 2012 09:48 InDesconrowl wrote:On July 08 2012 09:43 kubiks wrote:
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Like there were not even once terran no zerg was favored against...
MMA still have 70% winrate in TvZ, Happy 73%...
No zerg have more than 70% winrzte in ZvT (will change soon if no blizzard patch occurs)
Zerg is imba in TvZ, but the fact no terran is favored agaisnt zerg isn't a problem. The problem is that you don't feeel a terran can reliably win a game without the zerg messing up...
You do know MMA used to have 80%+ winrate in TvZ? Sounds balanced. Seriously, nobody should have win rates like that. Thank God for the patch. Why the hell not, his TvZ play was a piece of art with the amount of multitasking it involved. Agreed. This guy who says no one should have higher than 50% winrate doesn't know what he is talking about. I bet he wants blizzard to nerf Brood War Terran because Flash has a high winrate. I didn't say 50% anywhere in my post. But 80% is absurd. MMA isn't a bonjwa, and he shouldn't be able to dominate a race that hard in a balanced matchup. if you have ever seen his TvZ, yes, yes he should be able to dominate zerg. we all just saw him get smashed 2 times by drg Go watch his Blizzard Cup games, or the games of him vs Zenio/Killer/DIMAGA/Violet at IEM ive seen all of them and i agree that he used to be good
So then read all the quotes and actually look at the discussion before you comment
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On July 08 2012 10:07 hitpoint wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 10:04 Whatson wrote:On July 08 2012 10:03 hitpoint wrote:On July 08 2012 09:58 InDesconrowl wrote:On July 08 2012 09:52 andaylin wrote:On July 08 2012 09:50 hitpoint wrote:On July 08 2012 09:48 InDesconrowl wrote:On July 08 2012 09:43 kubiks wrote:On July 08 2012 09:36 SeeKeR wrote:On July 08 2012 09:35 InDesconrowl wrote:
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Name 1 Terran who would be favored against DRG/Symbol/Coca/Life/Nestea?
None. And that is why the most recent patch is pissing off everyone. BECAUSE no one is favored currently against any of those players you just mentioned Like there were not even once terran no zerg was favored against... MMA still have 70% winrate in TvZ, Happy 73%... No zerg have more than 70% winrzte in ZvT (will change soon if no blizzard patch occurs) Zerg is imba in TvZ, but the fact no terran is favored agaisnt zerg isn't a problem. The problem is that you don't feeel a terran can reliably win a game without the zerg messing up... You do know MMA used to have 80%+ winrate in TvZ? Sounds balanced. Seriously, nobody should have win rates like that. Thank God for the patch. Why the hell not, his TvZ play was a piece of art with the amount of multitasking it involved. Agreed. This guy who says no one should have higher than 50% winrate doesn't know what he is talking about. I bet he wants blizzard to nerf Brood War Terran because Flash has a high winrate. I didn't say 50% anywhere in my post. But 80% is absurd. MMA isn't a bonjwa, and he shouldn't be able to dominate a race that hard in a balanced matchup. DRG had a greater than 70% TvZ ratio for a similar period of time. Stats like that mean NOTHING. And have you seen MMA's TvZ at its height? Good god yes he deserved that 80% winrate Lol yea I've seen MMA at his height. I've probably watched him more than you. 70% and 80% are not even close when talking balance.
There's this guy called Flash, who has 70% against each race, in one of the most balanced rts games.
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If he can take a game off of both HerO and MMA, I think he can leave this tourney pretty proudly.
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On July 08 2012 10:07 Xpace wrote:
This kid tells the truth, but he's not crass about it. Props kid, you know your place!
lol, it would be funny if he didn't know he was the underdog
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Illusion lost more than MMA won if you know what I mean...
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On July 08 2012 10:08 KonohaFlash wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 10:07 hitpoint wrote:On July 08 2012 10:04 Whatson wrote:On July 08 2012 10:03 hitpoint wrote:On July 08 2012 09:58 InDesconrowl wrote:On July 08 2012 09:52 andaylin wrote:On July 08 2012 09:50 hitpoint wrote:On July 08 2012 09:48 InDesconrowl wrote:On July 08 2012 09:43 kubiks wrote:On July 08 2012 09:36 SeeKeR wrote:
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None.
And that is why the most recent patch is pissing off everyone. BECAUSE no one is favored currently against any of those players you just mentioned Like there were not even once terran no zerg was favored against... MMA still have 70% winrate in TvZ, Happy 73%... No zerg have more than 70% winrzte in ZvT (will change soon if no blizzard patch occurs) Zerg is imba in TvZ, but the fact no terran is favored agaisnt zerg isn't a problem. The problem is that you don't feeel a terran can reliably win a game without the zerg messing up... You do know MMA used to have 80%+ winrate in TvZ? Sounds balanced. Seriously, nobody should have win rates like that. Thank God for the patch. Why the hell not, his TvZ play was a piece of art with the amount of multitasking it involved. Agreed. This guy who says no one should have higher than 50% winrate doesn't know what he is talking about. I bet he wants blizzard to nerf Brood War Terran because Flash has a high winrate. I didn't say 50% anywhere in my post. But 80% is absurd. MMA isn't a bonjwa, and he shouldn't be able to dominate a race that hard in a balanced matchup. DRG had a greater than 70% TvZ ratio for a similar period of time. Stats like that mean NOTHING. And have you seen MMA's TvZ at its height? Good god yes he deserved that 80% winrate Lol yea I've seen MMA at his height. I've probably watched him more than you. 70% and 80% are not even close when talking balance. There's this guy called Flash, who has 70% against each race, in one of the most balanced rts games.
This is getting tiresome when you don't read my older posts. I've already said 70% and 80% are not comparable, and MMA isn't a bonjwa. Try to keep up please.
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On July 08 2012 10:03 hitpoint wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 09:58 InDesconrowl wrote:On July 08 2012 09:52 andaylin wrote:On July 08 2012 09:50 hitpoint wrote:On July 08 2012 09:48 InDesconrowl wrote:On July 08 2012 09:43 kubiks wrote:On July 08 2012 09:36 SeeKeR wrote:On July 08 2012 09:35 InDesconrowl wrote:On July 08 2012 09:30 s3rp wrote:On July 08 2012 09:28 blade55555 wrote:
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I would stop responding to them. From what I have seen most posts in this thread since drg/mma have started are just Terrans QQ'ing lol as if DRG is some terrible zerg who should never beat a slumping MMA. Every Terran is slumping in TvZ.... Name 1 Terran who would be favored against DRG/Symbol/Coca/Life/Nestea? None. And that is why the most recent patch is pissing off everyone. BECAUSE no one is favored currently against any of those players you just mentioned Like there were not even once terran no zerg was favored against... MMA still have 70% winrate in TvZ, Happy 73%... No zerg have more than 70% winrzte in ZvT (will change soon if no blizzard patch occurs) Zerg is imba in TvZ, but the fact no terran is favored agaisnt zerg isn't a problem. The problem is that you don't feeel a terran can reliably win a game without the zerg messing up... You do know MMA used to have 80%+ winrate in TvZ? Sounds balanced. Seriously, nobody should have win rates like that. Thank God for the patch. Why the hell not, his TvZ play was a piece of art with the amount of multitasking it involved. Agreed. This guy who says no one should have higher than 50% winrate doesn't know what he is talking about. I bet he wants blizzard to nerf Brood War Terran because Flash has a high winrate. I didn't say 50% anywhere in my post. But 80% is absurd. MMA isn't a bonjwa, and he shouldn't be able to dominate a race that hard in a balanced matchup.
? It's not like all 80% of that is against god tier zergs. It's the same thing as when MVP, Nestea, and MC dominated their mirror matchups because they were better than everyone else in the field. Also, I'm sure DRG will be at 80%+ winrate in ZvT soon, or at least the past 2 months.
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On July 08 2012 10:09 Serimek wrote:
Illusion lost more than MMA won if you know what I mean...
everyone saw, moving up the ramp against like 7 sieged tanks of MMA lost him the game.
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On July 08 2012 10:10 hitpoint wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 10:08 KonohaFlash wrote:On July 08 2012 10:07 hitpoint wrote:On July 08 2012 10:04 Whatson wrote:On July 08 2012 10:03 hitpoint wrote:On July 08 2012 09:58 InDesconrowl wrote:On July 08 2012 09:52 andaylin wrote:On July 08 2012 09:50 hitpoint wrote:On July 08 2012 09:48 InDesconrowl wrote:On July 08 2012 09:43 kubiks wrote:
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Like there were not even once terran no zerg was favored against...
MMA still have 70% winrate in TvZ, Happy 73%...
No zerg have more than 70% winrzte in ZvT (will change soon if no blizzard patch occurs)
Zerg is imba in TvZ, but the fact no terran is favored agaisnt zerg isn't a problem. The problem is that you don't feeel a terran can reliably win a game without the zerg messing up...
You do know MMA used to have 80%+ winrate in TvZ? Sounds balanced. Seriously, nobody should have win rates like that. Thank God for the patch. Why the hell not, his TvZ play was a piece of art with the amount of multitasking it involved. Agreed. This guy who says no one should have higher than 50% winrate doesn't know what he is talking about. I bet he wants blizzard to nerf Brood War Terran because Flash has a high winrate. I didn't say 50% anywhere in my post. But 80% is absurd. MMA isn't a bonjwa, and he shouldn't be able to dominate a race that hard in a balanced matchup. DRG had a greater than 70% TvZ ratio for a similar period of time. Stats like that mean NOTHING. And have you seen MMA's TvZ at its height? Good god yes he deserved that 80% winrate Lol yea I've seen MMA at his height. I've probably watched him more than you. 70% and 80% are not even close when talking balance. There's this guy called Flash, who has 70% against each race, in one of the most balanced rts games. This is getting tiresome when you don't read my older posts. I've already said 70% and 80% are not comparable, and MMA isn't a bonjwa. Try to keep up please.
why didn't every terran have 80% in TvZ then? why only MMA? it has nothing to do with balance your arguments are ridiculous.
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On July 08 2012 10:10 hitpoint wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 10:08 KonohaFlash wrote:On July 08 2012 10:07 hitpoint wrote:On July 08 2012 10:04 Whatson wrote:On July 08 2012 10:03 hitpoint wrote:On July 08 2012 09:58 InDesconrowl wrote:On July 08 2012 09:52 andaylin wrote:On July 08 2012 09:50 hitpoint wrote:On July 08 2012 09:48 InDesconrowl wrote:On July 08 2012 09:43 kubiks wrote:
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Like there were not even once terran no zerg was favored against...
MMA still have 70% winrate in TvZ, Happy 73%...
No zerg have more than 70% winrzte in ZvT (will change soon if no blizzard patch occurs)
Zerg is imba in TvZ, but the fact no terran is favored agaisnt zerg isn't a problem. The problem is that you don't feeel a terran can reliably win a game without the zerg messing up...
You do know MMA used to have 80%+ winrate in TvZ? Sounds balanced. Seriously, nobody should have win rates like that. Thank God for the patch. Why the hell not, his TvZ play was a piece of art with the amount of multitasking it involved. Agreed. This guy who says no one should have higher than 50% winrate doesn't know what he is talking about. I bet he wants blizzard to nerf Brood War Terran because Flash has a high winrate. I didn't say 50% anywhere in my post. But 80% is absurd. MMA isn't a bonjwa, and he shouldn't be able to dominate a race that hard in a balanced matchup. DRG had a greater than 70% TvZ ratio for a similar period of time. Stats like that mean NOTHING. And have you seen MMA's TvZ at its height? Good god yes he deserved that 80% winrate Lol yea I've seen MMA at his height. I've probably watched him more than you. 70% and 80% are not even close when talking balance. There's this guy called Flash, who has 70% against each race, in one of the most balanced rts games. This is getting tiresome when you don't read my older posts. I've already said 70% and 80% are not comparable, and MMA isn't a bonjwa. Try to keep up please.
yea but he was pretty much a matchup specialist.(though his TvT was damn good)
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lol, the fuck MMA. proxies starport, loses the medivac....
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On July 08 2012 10:08 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 10:07 honed wrote:On July 08 2012 10:06 Whatson wrote:On July 08 2012 10:05 honed wrote:On July 08 2012 10:04 andaylin wrote:On July 08 2012 10:03 hitpoint wrote:On July 08 2012 09:58 InDesconrowl wrote:On July 08 2012 09:52 andaylin wrote:On July 08 2012 09:50 hitpoint wrote:On July 08 2012 09:48 InDesconrowl wrote:
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You do know MMA used to have 80%+ winrate in TvZ?
Sounds balanced. Seriously, nobody should have win rates like that. Thank God for the patch. Why the hell not, his TvZ play was a piece of art with the amount of multitasking it involved. Agreed. This guy who says no one should have higher than 50% winrate doesn't know what he is talking about. I bet he wants blizzard to nerf Brood War Terran because Flash has a high winrate. I didn't say 50% anywhere in my post. But 80% is absurd. MMA isn't a bonjwa, and he shouldn't be able to dominate a race that hard in a balanced matchup. if you have ever seen his TvZ, yes, yes he should be able to dominate zerg. we all just saw him get smashed 2 times by drg Go watch his Blizzard Cup games, or the games of him vs Zenio/Killer/DIMAGA/Violet at IEM ive seen all of them and i agree that he used to be good So then read all the quotes and actually look at the discussion before you comment
so youre saying because he used to dominate, he should still dominate? im not sure i follow
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MMA... used to be so good... :'(
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On July 08 2012 10:10 hitpoint wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 10:08 KonohaFlash wrote:On July 08 2012 10:07 hitpoint wrote:On July 08 2012 10:04 Whatson wrote:On July 08 2012 10:03 hitpoint wrote:On July 08 2012 09:58 InDesconrowl wrote:On July 08 2012 09:52 andaylin wrote:On July 08 2012 09:50 hitpoint wrote:On July 08 2012 09:48 InDesconrowl wrote:On July 08 2012 09:43 kubiks wrote:
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Like there were not even once terran no zerg was favored against...
MMA still have 70% winrate in TvZ, Happy 73%...
No zerg have more than 70% winrzte in ZvT (will change soon if no blizzard patch occurs)
Zerg is imba in TvZ, but the fact no terran is favored agaisnt zerg isn't a problem. The problem is that you don't feeel a terran can reliably win a game without the zerg messing up...
You do know MMA used to have 80%+ winrate in TvZ? Sounds balanced. Seriously, nobody should have win rates like that. Thank God for the patch. Why the hell not, his TvZ play was a piece of art with the amount of multitasking it involved. Agreed. This guy who says no one should have higher than 50% winrate doesn't know what he is talking about. I bet he wants blizzard to nerf Brood War Terran because Flash has a high winrate. I didn't say 50% anywhere in my post. But 80% is absurd. MMA isn't a bonjwa, and he shouldn't be able to dominate a race that hard in a balanced matchup. DRG had a greater than 70% TvZ ratio for a similar period of time. Stats like that mean NOTHING. And have you seen MMA's TvZ at its height? Good god yes he deserved that 80% winrate Lol yea I've seen MMA at his height. I've probably watched him more than you. 70% and 80% are not even close when talking balance. There's this guy called Flash, who has 70% against each race, in one of the most balanced rts games. This is getting tiresome when you don't read my older posts. I've already said 70% and 80% are not comparable, and MMA isn't a bonjwa. Try to keep up please.
MMA is really good at TvZ, I don't see why him having a 80% winrate during that period, means the game wasn't balanced. Especially when you consider a lot of other terrans don't even have statistics comparable to his in TvZ.
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On July 08 2012 10:13 honed wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 10:08 Whatson wrote:On July 08 2012 10:07 honed wrote:On July 08 2012 10:06 Whatson wrote:On July 08 2012 10:05 honed wrote:On July 08 2012 10:04 andaylin wrote:On July 08 2012 10:03 hitpoint wrote:On July 08 2012 09:58 InDesconrowl wrote:On July 08 2012 09:52 andaylin wrote:On July 08 2012 09:50 hitpoint wrote:
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Sounds balanced. Seriously, nobody should have win rates like that. Thank God for the patch. Why the hell not, his TvZ play was a piece of art with the amount of multitasking it involved. Agreed. This guy who says no one should have higher than 50% winrate doesn't know what he is talking about. I bet he wants blizzard to nerf Brood War Terran because Flash has a high winrate. I didn't say 50% anywhere in my post. But 80% is absurd. MMA isn't a bonjwa, and he shouldn't be able to dominate a race that hard in a balanced matchup. if you have ever seen his TvZ, yes, yes he should be able to dominate zerg. we all just saw him get smashed 2 times by drg Go watch his Blizzard Cup games, or the games of him vs Zenio/Killer/DIMAGA/Violet at IEM ive seen all of them and i agree that he used to be good So then read all the quotes and actually look at the discussion before you comment so youre saying because he used to dominate, he should still dominate? im not sure i follow
yes, because going from 80% to probably below 50% (post patch) is a huge difference. of course, this isn't really reliable because he is in a slump.
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On July 08 2012 10:13 honed wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 10:08 Whatson wrote:On July 08 2012 10:07 honed wrote:On July 08 2012 10:06 Whatson wrote:On July 08 2012 10:05 honed wrote:On July 08 2012 10:04 andaylin wrote:On July 08 2012 10:03 hitpoint wrote:On July 08 2012 09:58 InDesconrowl wrote:On July 08 2012 09:52 andaylin wrote:On July 08 2012 09:50 hitpoint wrote:
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Sounds balanced. Seriously, nobody should have win rates like that. Thank God for the patch. Why the hell not, his TvZ play was a piece of art with the amount of multitasking it involved. Agreed. This guy who says no one should have higher than 50% winrate doesn't know what he is talking about. I bet he wants blizzard to nerf Brood War Terran because Flash has a high winrate. I didn't say 50% anywhere in my post. But 80% is absurd. MMA isn't a bonjwa, and he shouldn't be able to dominate a race that hard in a balanced matchup. if you have ever seen his TvZ, yes, yes he should be able to dominate zerg. we all just saw him get smashed 2 times by drg Go watch his Blizzard Cup games, or the games of him vs Zenio/Killer/DIMAGA/Violet at IEM ive seen all of them and i agree that he used to be good So then read all the quotes and actually look at the discussion before you comment so youre saying because he used to dominate, he should still dominate? im not sure i follow
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No, somebody said because MMA had an 80% winrate in TvZ for a long time, the matchup was imbalanced because he wasn't a bonjwa. And then you decided to derail everything into god knows what. And yes, from going 80% -> below 50% is kinda absurd.
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