Sounds balanced. Seriously, nobody should have win rates like that. Thank God for the patch.
Why the hell not, his TvZ play was a piece of art with the amount of multitasking it involved.
Agreed.
This guy who says no one should have higher than 50% winrate doesn't know what he is talking about. I bet he wants blizzard to nerf Brood War Terran because Flash has a high winrate.
I didn't say 50% anywhere in my post. But 80% is absurd. MMA isn't a bonjwa, and he shouldn't be able to dominate a race that hard in a balanced matchup.
DRG had a greater than 70% TvZ ratio for a similar period of time. Stats like that mean NOTHING. And have you seen MMA's TvZ at its height? Good god yes he deserved that 80% winrate
Lol yea I've seen MMA at his height. I've probably watched him more than you. 70% and 80% are not even close when talking balance.
There's this guy called Flash, who has 70% against each race, in one of the most balanced rts games.
This is getting tiresome when you don't read my older posts. I've already said 70% and 80% are not comparable, and MMA isn't a bonjwa. Try to keep up please.
why didn't every terran have 80% in TvZ then? why only MMA? it has nothing to do with balance your arguments are ridiculous.
Your post is incoherent nonsense. I don't know the win rates of other terrans, maybe there were other terrans with high tvz %. Win rates correlate with balance a lot, hense why they're always quoted in balance discussions - it's the best resource we have. BTW I never said that the game is balanced in it's current form either, I could very well think it's zerg favored. A lot has changed since terran was dominating the match up including maps.
On July 08 2012 09:52 andaylin wrote: [quote] Why the hell not, his TvZ play was a piece of art with the amount of multitasking it involved.
Agreed.
This guy who says no one should have higher than 50% winrate doesn't know what he is talking about. I bet he wants blizzard to nerf Brood War Terran because Flash has a high winrate.
I didn't say 50% anywhere in my post. But 80% is absurd. MMA isn't a bonjwa, and he shouldn't be able to dominate a race that hard in a balanced matchup.
if you have ever seen his TvZ, yes, yes he should be able to dominate zerg.
we all just saw him get smashed 2 times by drg
Go watch his Blizzard Cup games, or the games of him vs Zenio/Killer/DIMAGA/Violet at IEM
ive seen all of them and i agree that he used to be good
So then read all the quotes and actually look at the discussion before you comment
so youre saying because he used to dominate, he should still dominate? im not sure i follow
yes, because going from 80% to probably below 50% is a huge difference.
he got worse. im not saying the game is balanced, it's obviously in favor of zerg right now. but i think you overestimate this and underestimate mma's change in skill
Sounds balanced. Seriously, nobody should have win rates like that. Thank God for the patch.
Why the hell not, his TvZ play was a piece of art with the amount of multitasking it involved.
Agreed.
This guy who says no one should have higher than 50% winrate doesn't know what he is talking about. I bet he wants blizzard to nerf Brood War Terran because Flash has a high winrate.
I didn't say 50% anywhere in my post. But 80% is absurd. MMA isn't a bonjwa, and he shouldn't be able to dominate a race that hard in a balanced matchup.
DRG had a greater than 70% TvZ ratio for a similar period of time. Stats like that mean NOTHING. And have you seen MMA's TvZ at its height? Good god yes he deserved that 80% winrate
Lol yea I've seen MMA at his height. I've probably watched him more than you. 70% and 80% are not even close when talking balance.
There's this guy called Flash, who has 70% against each race, in one of the most balanced rts games.
This is getting tiresome when you don't read my older posts. I've already said 70% and 80% are not comparable, and MMA isn't a bonjwa. Try to keep up please.
why didn't every terran have 80% in TvZ then? why only MMA? it has nothing to do with balance your arguments are ridiculous.
Your post is incoherent nonsense. I don't know the win rates of other terrans, maybe there were other terrans with high tvz %. Win rates correlate with balance a lot, hense why they're always quoted in balance discussions - it's the best resource we have. BTW I never said that the game is balanced in it's current form either, I could very well think it's zerg favored. A lot has changed since terran was dominating the match up including maps.
my post is incoherent nonsense and you say TvZ was imbalanced because one player had a really good winrate, okay then.
This guy who says no one should have higher than 50% winrate doesn't know what he is talking about. I bet he wants blizzard to nerf Brood War Terran because Flash has a high winrate.
I didn't say 50% anywhere in my post. But 80% is absurd. MMA isn't a bonjwa, and he shouldn't be able to dominate a race that hard in a balanced matchup.
if you have ever seen his TvZ, yes, yes he should be able to dominate zerg.
we all just saw him get smashed 2 times by drg
Go watch his Blizzard Cup games, or the games of him vs Zenio/Killer/DIMAGA/Violet at IEM
ive seen all of them and i agree that he used to be good
So then read all the quotes and actually look at the discussion before you comment
so youre saying because he used to dominate, he should still dominate? im not sure i follow
yes, because going from 80% to probably below 50% is a huge difference.
he got worse. im not saying the game is balanced, it's obviously in favor of zerg right now. but i think you overestimate this and underestimate mma's change in skill
He's also underestimating meta game shift. MMA is still going marine/tank when every other terran has changed up their play significantly and usually going heavy bio.
This guy who says no one should have higher than 50% winrate doesn't know what he is talking about. I bet he wants blizzard to nerf Brood War Terran because Flash has a high winrate.
I didn't say 50% anywhere in my post. But 80% is absurd. MMA isn't a bonjwa, and he shouldn't be able to dominate a race that hard in a balanced matchup.
if you have ever seen his TvZ, yes, yes he should be able to dominate zerg.
we all just saw him get smashed 2 times by drg
Go watch his Blizzard Cup games, or the games of him vs Zenio/Killer/DIMAGA/Violet at IEM
ive seen all of them and i agree that he used to be good
So then read all the quotes and actually look at the discussion before you comment
so youre saying because he used to dominate, he should still dominate? im not sure i follow
yes, because going from 80% to probably below 50% is a huge difference.
he got worse. im not saying the game is balanced, it's obviously in favor of zerg right now. but i think you overestimate this and underestimate mma's change in skill
The majority of arguments for MMA's "slump" are based off the fact that he gets stomped by zergs on a regular basis. I don't think it's necessarily a fair argument, when you consider the current state of TvZ, where lots of Terrans are having trouble and exploring ways to adapt to the change in the metagame.
I didn't say 50% anywhere in my post. But 80% is absurd. MMA isn't a bonjwa, and he shouldn't be able to dominate a race that hard in a balanced matchup.
if you have ever seen his TvZ, yes, yes he should be able to dominate zerg.
we all just saw him get smashed 2 times by drg
Go watch his Blizzard Cup games, or the games of him vs Zenio/Killer/DIMAGA/Violet at IEM
ive seen all of them and i agree that he used to be good
So then read all the quotes and actually look at the discussion before you comment
so youre saying because he used to dominate, he should still dominate? im not sure i follow
yes, because going from 80% to probably below 50% is a huge difference.
he got worse. im not saying the game is balanced, it's obviously in favor of zerg right now. but i think you overestimate this and underestimate mma's change in skill
He's also underestimating meta game shift. MMA is still going marine/tank when every other terran has changed up their play significantly and usually going heavy bio.
uh, no. marine tank is still the standard.... don't know what you're talking about.
Man sometimes I feel like MMA loses focus on his army or something. Taking way to long to stim, and then taking too long to retreat. Very uncharacteristic of the good old MMA.
On July 08 2012 10:04 andaylin wrote: [quote] if you have ever seen his TvZ, yes, yes he should be able to dominate zerg.
we all just saw him get smashed 2 times by drg
Go watch his Blizzard Cup games, or the games of him vs Zenio/Killer/DIMAGA/Violet at IEM
ive seen all of them and i agree that he used to be good
So then read all the quotes and actually look at the discussion before you comment
so youre saying because he used to dominate, he should still dominate? im not sure i follow
yes, because going from 80% to probably below 50% is a huge difference.
he got worse. im not saying the game is balanced, it's obviously in favor of zerg right now. but i think you overestimate this and underestimate mma's change in skill
He's also underestimating meta game shift. MMA is still going marine/tank when every other terran has changed up their play significantly and usually going heavy bio.
uh, no. marine tank is still the standard.... don't know what you're talking about.
It's not actually. I don't think I can keep responding to you without having my posts deteriorate. Good day.
On July 08 2012 10:05 honed wrote: [quote] we all just saw him get smashed 2 times by drg
Go watch his Blizzard Cup games, or the games of him vs Zenio/Killer/DIMAGA/Violet at IEM
ive seen all of them and i agree that he used to be good
So then read all the quotes and actually look at the discussion before you comment
so youre saying because he used to dominate, he should still dominate? im not sure i follow
yes, because going from 80% to probably below 50% is a huge difference.
he got worse. im not saying the game is balanced, it's obviously in favor of zerg right now. but i think you overestimate this and underestimate mma's change in skill
He's also underestimating meta game shift. MMA is still going marine/tank when every other terran has changed up their play significantly and usually going heavy bio.
uh, no. marine tank is still the standard.... don't know what you're talking about.
It's not actually. I don't think I can keep responding to you without having my posts deteriorate. Good day.
The only person who makes pure bio work is MKP, because of his micro. But against DRG, he still goes bio-tank.
On July 08 2012 10:05 honed wrote: [quote] we all just saw him get smashed 2 times by drg
Go watch his Blizzard Cup games, or the games of him vs Zenio/Killer/DIMAGA/Violet at IEM
ive seen all of them and i agree that he used to be good
So then read all the quotes and actually look at the discussion before you comment
so youre saying because he used to dominate, he should still dominate? im not sure i follow
yes, because going from 80% to probably below 50% is a huge difference.
he got worse. im not saying the game is balanced, it's obviously in favor of zerg right now. but i think you overestimate this and underestimate mma's change in skill
He's also underestimating meta game shift. MMA is still going marine/tank when every other terran has changed up their play significantly and usually going heavy bio.
uh, no. marine tank is still the standard.... don't know what you're talking about.
It's not actually. I don't think I can keep responding to you without having my posts deteriorate. Good day.
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