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theteam
Profile Joined January 2011
United States515 Posts
July 08 2012 01:05 GMT
#781
wow mma nice recovery
aznball123
Profile Joined February 2012
2759 Posts
July 08 2012 01:05 GMT
#782
Damn, can we say it's the experience in this? He blew both game 1 after gaining leads
Mmm, what to watch.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
July 08 2012 01:05 GMT
#783
TvT <3
Terran & Potato Salad.
Crowned
Profile Joined August 2011
United States368 Posts
July 08 2012 01:05 GMT
#784
Illusion can play with these guys, he's throwing away some games though. Honestly it should have been a 2-0 win over HerO and he should be up 1-0 over MMA right now on the opener alone.
It's cool to love to win, but it's better to hate to lose.
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
July 08 2012 01:05 GMT
#785
Lategame > Illusion

That comes with experience I guess.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46637 Posts
July 08 2012 01:05 GMT
#786
MMA fighting! 1-0
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-08 01:06:05
July 08 2012 01:05 GMT
#787
Yesssss MMA!!

Half my posts are probably just "Yes MMA!!!" or something similar.
honed
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada482 Posts
July 08 2012 01:05 GMT
#788
On July 08 2012 10:04 andaylin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 10:03 hitpoint wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:58 InDesconrowl wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:52 andaylin wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:50 hitpoint wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:48 InDesconrowl wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:43 kubiks wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:36 SeeKeR wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:35 InDesconrowl wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:30 s3rp wrote:
[quote]

Every Terran is slumping in TvZ....


Name 1 Terran who would be favored against DRG/Symbol/Coca/Life/Nestea?

None.

And that is why the most recent patch is pissing off everyone. BECAUSE no one is favored currently against any of those players you just mentioned


Like there were not even once terran no zerg was favored against...
MMA still have 70% winrate in TvZ, Happy 73%...
No zerg have more than 70% winrzte in ZvT (will change soon if no blizzard patch occurs)
Zerg is imba in TvZ, but the fact no terran is favored agaisnt zerg isn't a problem. The problem is that you don't feeel a terran can reliably win a game without the zerg messing up...





You do know MMA used to have 80%+ winrate in TvZ?


Sounds balanced. Seriously, nobody should have win rates like that. Thank God for the patch.

Why the hell not, his TvZ play was a piece of art with the amount of multitasking it involved.


Agreed.

This guy who says no one should have higher than 50% winrate doesn't know what he is talking about. I bet he wants blizzard to nerf Brood War Terran because Flash has a high winrate.


I didn't say 50% anywhere in my post. But 80% is absurd. MMA isn't a bonjwa, and he shouldn't be able to dominate a race that hard in a balanced matchup.

if you have ever seen his TvZ, yes, yes he should be able to dominate zerg.

we all just saw him get smashed 2 times by drg
SaikOuLighT
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada742 Posts
July 08 2012 01:05 GMT
#789
Illusion went full foreigner
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
July 08 2012 01:05 GMT
#790
TvT is like the only matchup where comebacks can happen at anytime and you never can take anything for granted. It can have action all over the map as well, Blizzard should really aim to make all matchups a bit more like that :D
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
July 08 2012 01:06 GMT
#791
I think Illusion is really good at early and mid-game, but he doesn't seem as practiced in late-game scenarios.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 08 2012 01:06 GMT
#792
On July 08 2012 10:05 honed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 10:04 andaylin wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:03 hitpoint wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:58 InDesconrowl wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:52 andaylin wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:50 hitpoint wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:48 InDesconrowl wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:43 kubiks wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:36 SeeKeR wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:35 InDesconrowl wrote:
[quote]

Name 1 Terran who would be favored against DRG/Symbol/Coca/Life/Nestea?

None.

And that is why the most recent patch is pissing off everyone. BECAUSE no one is favored currently against any of those players you just mentioned


Like there were not even once terran no zerg was favored against...
MMA still have 70% winrate in TvZ, Happy 73%...
No zerg have more than 70% winrzte in ZvT (will change soon if no blizzard patch occurs)
Zerg is imba in TvZ, but the fact no terran is favored agaisnt zerg isn't a problem. The problem is that you don't feeel a terran can reliably win a game without the zerg messing up...





You do know MMA used to have 80%+ winrate in TvZ?


Sounds balanced. Seriously, nobody should have win rates like that. Thank God for the patch.

Why the hell not, his TvZ play was a piece of art with the amount of multitasking it involved.


Agreed.

This guy who says no one should have higher than 50% winrate doesn't know what he is talking about. I bet he wants blizzard to nerf Brood War Terran because Flash has a high winrate.


I didn't say 50% anywhere in my post. But 80% is absurd. MMA isn't a bonjwa, and he shouldn't be able to dominate a race that hard in a balanced matchup.

if you have ever seen his TvZ, yes, yes he should be able to dominate zerg.

we all just saw him get smashed 2 times by drg


DRG would smash any terran that means nothing.
MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
July 08 2012 01:06 GMT
#793
I really hope that people recognize how well Illusion is playing. Sure he lost to hero and kind of threw away the first game against mma but he has been showing he can go toe to toe with these guys
Players: MMA, Boxer, Ryung, Life, TaeJa, Squirtle, Brown, Dark,
VediVeci
Profile Joined October 2011
United States82 Posts
July 08 2012 01:06 GMT
#794
Wow, once Illusion gets his decision making down a little better, he's going to be absolutely lethal. He wrecked MMA in just about everything besides his two overly aggressive pushes where he threw everything away.
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-08 01:06:49
July 08 2012 01:06 GMT
#795
On July 08 2012 10:05 honed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 10:04 andaylin wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:03 hitpoint wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:58 InDesconrowl wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:52 andaylin wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:50 hitpoint wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:48 InDesconrowl wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:43 kubiks wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:36 SeeKeR wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:35 InDesconrowl wrote:
[quote]

Name 1 Terran who would be favored against DRG/Symbol/Coca/Life/Nestea?

None.

And that is why the most recent patch is pissing off everyone. BECAUSE no one is favored currently against any of those players you just mentioned


Like there were not even once terran no zerg was favored against...
MMA still have 70% winrate in TvZ, Happy 73%...
No zerg have more than 70% winrzte in ZvT (will change soon if no blizzard patch occurs)
Zerg is imba in TvZ, but the fact no terran is favored agaisnt zerg isn't a problem. The problem is that you don't feeel a terran can reliably win a game without the zerg messing up...





You do know MMA used to have 80%+ winrate in TvZ?


Sounds balanced. Seriously, nobody should have win rates like that. Thank God for the patch.

Why the hell not, his TvZ play was a piece of art with the amount of multitasking it involved.


Agreed.

This guy who says no one should have higher than 50% winrate doesn't know what he is talking about. I bet he wants blizzard to nerf Brood War Terran because Flash has a high winrate.


I didn't say 50% anywhere in my post. But 80% is absurd. MMA isn't a bonjwa, and he shouldn't be able to dominate a race that hard in a balanced matchup.

if you have ever seen his TvZ, yes, yes he should be able to dominate zerg.

we all just saw him get smashed 2 times by drg

maybe you should follow and read all the posts before you post something
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
July 08 2012 01:06 GMT
#796
Mech vs Mech tvt is the best tvt. More dynamic than bio vs mech and more interesting than bio tank vs bio tank imo.
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
July 08 2012 01:06 GMT
#797
On July 08 2012 10:05 honed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 10:04 andaylin wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:03 hitpoint wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:58 InDesconrowl wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:52 andaylin wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:50 hitpoint wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:48 InDesconrowl wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:43 kubiks wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:36 SeeKeR wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:35 InDesconrowl wrote:
[quote]

Name 1 Terran who would be favored against DRG/Symbol/Coca/Life/Nestea?

None.

And that is why the most recent patch is pissing off everyone. BECAUSE no one is favored currently against any of those players you just mentioned


Like there were not even once terran no zerg was favored against...
MMA still have 70% winrate in TvZ, Happy 73%...
No zerg have more than 70% winrzte in ZvT (will change soon if no blizzard patch occurs)
Zerg is imba in TvZ, but the fact no terran is favored agaisnt zerg isn't a problem. The problem is that you don't feeel a terran can reliably win a game without the zerg messing up...





You do know MMA used to have 80%+ winrate in TvZ?


Sounds balanced. Seriously, nobody should have win rates like that. Thank God for the patch.

Why the hell not, his TvZ play was a piece of art with the amount of multitasking it involved.


Agreed.

This guy who says no one should have higher than 50% winrate doesn't know what he is talking about. I bet he wants blizzard to nerf Brood War Terran because Flash has a high winrate.


I didn't say 50% anywhere in my post. But 80% is absurd. MMA isn't a bonjwa, and he shouldn't be able to dominate a race that hard in a balanced matchup.

if you have ever seen his TvZ, yes, yes he should be able to dominate zerg.

we all just saw him get smashed 2 times by drg


He was talking about prepatch.
Someone call down the Thunder?
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
July 08 2012 01:06 GMT
#798
On July 08 2012 10:05 honed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 10:04 andaylin wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:03 hitpoint wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:58 InDesconrowl wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:52 andaylin wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:50 hitpoint wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:48 InDesconrowl wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:43 kubiks wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:36 SeeKeR wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:35 InDesconrowl wrote:
[quote]

Name 1 Terran who would be favored against DRG/Symbol/Coca/Life/Nestea?

None.

And that is why the most recent patch is pissing off everyone. BECAUSE no one is favored currently against any of those players you just mentioned


Like there were not even once terran no zerg was favored against...
MMA still have 70% winrate in TvZ, Happy 73%...
No zerg have more than 70% winrzte in ZvT (will change soon if no blizzard patch occurs)
Zerg is imba in TvZ, but the fact no terran is favored agaisnt zerg isn't a problem. The problem is that you don't feeel a terran can reliably win a game without the zerg messing up...





You do know MMA used to have 80%+ winrate in TvZ?


Sounds balanced. Seriously, nobody should have win rates like that. Thank God for the patch.

Why the hell not, his TvZ play was a piece of art with the amount of multitasking it involved.


Agreed.

This guy who says no one should have higher than 50% winrate doesn't know what he is talking about. I bet he wants blizzard to nerf Brood War Terran because Flash has a high winrate.


I didn't say 50% anywhere in my post. But 80% is absurd. MMA isn't a bonjwa, and he shouldn't be able to dominate a race that hard in a balanced matchup.

if you have ever seen his TvZ, yes, yes he should be able to dominate zerg.

we all just saw him get smashed 2 times by drg

Go watch his Blizzard Cup games, or the games of him vs Zenio/Killer/DIMAGA/Violet at IEM
¯\_(シ)_/¯
KonohaFlash
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1590 Posts
July 08 2012 01:07 GMT
#799
On July 08 2012 10:03 kubiks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 09:58 InDesconrowl wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:52 andaylin wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:50 hitpoint wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:48 InDesconrowl wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:43 kubiks wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:36 SeeKeR wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:35 InDesconrowl wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:30 s3rp wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:28 blade55555 wrote:
[quote]

I would stop responding to them. From what I have seen most posts in this thread since drg/mma have started are just Terrans QQ'ing lol as if DRG is some terrible zerg who should never beat a slumping MMA.


Every Terran is slumping in TvZ....


Name 1 Terran who would be favored against DRG/Symbol/Coca/Life/Nestea?

None.

And that is why the most recent patch is pissing off everyone. BECAUSE no one is favored currently against any of those players you just mentioned


Like there were not even once terran no zerg was favored against...
MMA still have 70% winrate in TvZ, Happy 73%...
No zerg have more than 70% winrzte in ZvT (will change soon if no blizzard patch occurs)
Zerg is imba in TvZ, but the fact no terran is favored agaisnt zerg isn't a problem. The problem is that you don't feeel a terran can reliably win a game without the zerg messing up...





You do know MMA used to have 80%+ winrate in TvZ?


Sounds balanced. Seriously, nobody should have win rates like that. Thank God for the patch.

Why the hell not, his TvZ play was a piece of art with the amount of multitasking it involved.


Agreed.

This guy who says no one should have higher than 50% winrate doesn't know what he is talking about. I bet he wants blizzard to nerf Brood War Terran because Flash has a high winrate.


Well you don't seem to know what you're talking about either, because noone said that....
I just said that it is not anormal that a some zerg doesn't have terran they are not favored against, because the same happend in the other way last year.
I didn't said the match-up wasn't imballanced right now (and even more I said it was)...


You implied it by saying "thank god for the patch" You should probably go look at TLPD and see how many zergs have a 60-70%+ winrate against specific races. I suppose they should nerf everyone until it's 50% all around.
chambertin
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1704 Posts
July 08 2012 01:07 GMT
#800
On July 08 2012 10:05 Crowned wrote:
Illusion can play with these guys, he's throwing away some games though. Honestly it should have been a 2-0 win over HerO and he should be up 1-0 over MMA right now on the opener alone.


Agreed. I want to say something standard like he doesn't have great decision making and he'll get that as he continues to gain experience but... who knows really All i can say is that he's showing pretty great games here. Nice micro at the very least.
"I know one thing, that I know nothing" - Socrates?
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